Forget the draft "Free Agency" is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
by LETJASONPASS on Feb 7, 2010 5:14 PM EST
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PrintOk, I know the title of this fan post sounds a little out there. We have spent alot of time talking about the draft, trades etc. But it seems like anytime someone mentions FA's people panic. Do any of you guys know how many free agent pick ups are on the two teams in the super bowl? The New Orleans Saints have 32 free agent pickups. (wow) The Colts have only 22 free agent pickups. So this goes to show that it is more important who is doing the picking, then avoiding FA's.
Now, just a little something for you guys that are afraid to trade a player just because what they did in the past. (IE Santana, Portis or maybe Cooley) Chris Cooley has the most value of any of these players. I would love to keep Cooley. But if he is not going to be on the field or if it is going to keep Fred Davis off, we need to trade Cooley. This trade all depends on how Shanahan plans on using them during the game.
My preference for trading would be Santana or Portis. I will keep it simple with Portis he is a team cancer. Now if you look at what Santana brings to the table it is a little diferent. Santana used to be blazing fast now he is just fast. I have tried mutiple times to make some of you understand, we need to trade him now. If he had the speed that he has now but was bigger, I would say keep him. Maybe, some of you have not noticed but he is not running away from anyone now. He is in a situation now were most of the Db's he goes up against are bigger and now just as fast as he is. We should trade him before everyone figures out that he is not getting open because of loosing a step or two, not just because of poor pass protection for Jason on the deep ball.
By the way before I am shown all the love. I know a good draft is normally were you pick up your core players. For those of you that don't agree with me I will go ahead and give out the butt slaps, eye pokes, head butts and etc. For those of you that agree with me you get the high and low fives, fist bumps, Ickey woods shuffle and Charlie Brown, Art Monk and the Fun Bunch endzone td celebration dance.
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Free Agency is the quickest, easiest way to fill holes.
And make your team better instantly. With draft picks you need luck, have to wait for a player to develope, and you might miss drafting a better player because of trying to fill a need. It is a bad plan to reach on a draft pick just to fill a need. Skipping over better players to fill holes is not the way to build a team. Draft the best players you can get, and fill in the missing pieces through free agency.
I would keep Cooley, he is young, relatively inexpensive, and still has upside. Portis and Moss are older, more expensive, and are on the downside. Still you need value for those two, better to keep them for one more year than give them away.
Moss and Portis should get at least a 3rd round pick each. They can both be replaced with younger, cheaper players with equal or greater performance expectations.
Moss can geta 2nd or a 3rd,Portis because of salary will be harder to unload,maybe trade back to Broncos
Broncos own us a 2nd for him,will take whatever we can get for him. Jets are interested in Campbell as possible back-up,they can have for the right price.
I think the reason that we are in the pickle we are now
is because we relied on free agency to fill our team needs instead of drafting for needs as well. Vinny always used the “best player available” approach in the draft and relied on free agency to get every position that we ‘needed’ and didn’t get in the draft. This is why we have an ancient offensive line and little depth in the LB corps. Just my $0.02.
Vinny and/or the scouting department are mostly to blame for that.
Not the approach.Last year, they drafted 3 ILB with consecutive picks. That’s just insane. 3 TEs in the last 3 years, crazy.
The proper strategy for BPA to employ is only applicable in the first 3 rounds where there may be significant diffferences between players. By the 4th round, you look for positional strength, and draft that Best Available Player. If your team is particularly strong at a position, obviously you wouldn’t redraft that position unless the player on the board was significantly better than what you already have.
In the last 4 years they only drafted 2 offensive linemen out of 27 picks. They spent only 7% of their draft picks on their OL which is almost 25% of the starters, ridiculous. The OL & DL are 40% of your starters, every draft year needs 3 picks dedicated to those units.
I agree with you when you state it like that
originally you left out positional strength as a consideration when drafting, and it sounded like you simply wanted “best player available” regardless of the particulars of our roster. Considering positional strength is akin to drafting needs, while not the same—they are related to some degree.
But you can’t forget the way Vinny patronized us by telling us what a “value” we were getting when we drafted those LBs (although it was only 2 with consecutive picks) and TEs.
Some of us are leary of FA because of poor moves made in the past
But we need to trust the new staff to do as they see fit. prob with FA this year is you are getting older players with more mileage. I want to go with the youth movement, not the retirement home one of the past.
I know, Snyder would rather make a big splash,
and sell mechandizing with a big name. I am very hopeful that this will all change now. There is a strong group at the top, and Snyder/Cerrato will not be involved in personnel decisions. The team is not that far away, a few quality free agents, and a good draft this year could really set the team up for a nice run.
I'm kinda torn between the two...
I undersatnd the “youth movement”, but I’m also aware of the amount of time to see most “stars” develop. Some are put into better situations and you see results right away. I get that. But we’ve been watching this train wreck run it’s course for a long time now, and who has the three year time to wait. Catch 22: Your veteran leaders get older, and lose value. They traded away and can’t mentor. I mean, Fletcher is getting up there in age too. But no one thinks he should be traded for youth. Then on the flip side, you get a guy in there who’s young, and he just doesn’t produce in the average three year span and you’re stuck with what you should do with his contract, his trade value, cut him, etc..
I’ve said before that Cooley should be repurposed or traded. He does have value, and is a baller. But right now, I think the Redskins can play “odd man out” with him and get extreme value. Santana needs to stay. I don’t believe that he’s lost a step, but I do believe that he has no one on the other side that forces one-on-one coverage. The pool of Free Agents this year is looking rather slim, but I honestly don’t think that we’re in dire need of “replacing” people (except for the O-line), as we do for depth and adding on to the pieces that we have.
Trading Santana Moss
Trading Santana is a much more difficult decision than trading Chris Cooley.
1) He still gets a lot of double teams which gets other guys open
2) It may set Jason Campbell back in his development
3) It is much more difficult to replace receivers than almost any other position
I say that Shanahan shouldn’t trade Santana moss unless there is somebody in the draft that he is confident will be the next star receiver (Eddie Royal, Brandon Marshall).
A few things to consider with Moss.
He will be 31 when the season starts, and in the final year of an expensive contract(6.7M).
There is almost no way he is on the team in 2011.
We can expect him to post similar numbers next year as his last 3 year average.
70 rec, 937 yds, 4 td, good for the 24th best receiver, and declining(14th highest paid).
The team can keep him for 1 final season in a new offensive scheme for what appears to be a 8-8 season at best. Then he goes away next year, and we get nothing.
Or try to move him now, while he has value to a team that is 1 or 2 players away for a valuable draft pick that will be here for the next 10 years.
If the atlanta falcons can make it to the playoffs after a going 4-12 why cant we
I have high hopes for next season. I believe the redskins have a playoff caliber roster if we can get the O-line fixed. Also who will take Santana’s place. #1 receivers are hard to find. Santana still has some good years left in him. Wide receivers can play pretty well while in their 30’s.
Example: Terrell Owens, Torry Holt, Derrick Mason, Hines Ward, Donald Driver
Santana Moss is the only player with speed on our offense. He is our only game changer. If we trade him for a draft pick, then I am expecting that pick to be a pretty good player.
I like Moss, and he is still a weapon.
Certainly do hope the team can surprise next year. These are all difficult decisions the football men have to make. Just trying to put ourselves in their shoes, and look at it from a business point of view going forward.
All the receivers you mention
are big weapons, not just fast. Santana is basically a Smurf and he has lost a step. My argument for keeping him thru his contract is that we need SOME continuity on this team, especially with all the changes on the O side.
On the other hand, I’d be willing to listen to a trade offer.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Portis has 3 years left, but the same deal.
He will be a lot harder to move because of his contract.
He may get cut outright.
Flip side.....
We trade Moss for a third round pick…….the pick comes in and sits behind our dud duo in DT and MK (I haven’t given up on either….don’t worry)…….offensive production in the passing game….worse. Moss goes to a new team and is rededicated to his career. Comes out and has a career year! What now? I am not against trading Moss…..but these viewpoints are put out there as concrete…..and they are hard core based on opinions. Even the stats can be deluded…….his numbers could be down bc of the lingering effects of 2 seasons with hamstring injuries….maybe he is gun shy knowing this offense is going no-where…….he is double-teamed most known passing downs leaving us with the trio and ARE to get it done. Just coming out and stating:
We should trade him before everyone figures out that he is not getting open because of loosing a step or two, not just because of poor pass protection for Jason on the deep ball
doesn’t make it true. And if a couch potato football analyst knows this and nobody else in the league has noticed…….football is going to be extinct! I would like to see ARE gone……cut him…..get rid of that contract…….keep Moss this year. I know…..he will leave in FA next year…..but we will get another year of him mentoring these young receivers. If we bring in another vet receiver….maybe a Shannahan guy….maybe he better serves that role and Moss and ARE are completely expendable. We aren’t in a position with proven receivers to have all our receivers 3rd year or less.
Well, I am assuming they sign a Kevin Walter/Malcolm Floyd type.
Yet, I understand, Moss is still a weapon that defenses have to respect. The decision has already been made I’m sure. I can see both sides of this issue of keeping certain players or cuttting ties.
It's always a crap shoot.
I think DT will definitely be fine as a #1; and MK and MM could shine in spot play. The main reason for keeping AND for trading Santana is if we go to a 2 TE offense. Why keep him? A 2 TE spread may help him get open more and he can extend the field to clear out for Davis or Cooley. The down side is if he is still having trouble getting off the line, he can’t clear out. Still, if he can garner attention on the outside that makes it easier for Chris and Fred and DT. With a running game we would be tough to stop.
Just rambling here.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
keep rambling
your musings paint happy pictures in my mind of CC and FD crisscrossing across the field for huge gains, breaking tackles along the way.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
So, I see
you survived the blizzard. We got about 30" up here in Annapolis. Just awesome.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I don't know what mother natures problem is
but whoever it was needs to apologize. I’m not used to seeing this much snow in DC. Usually when you hear them say it on the news, you just roll your eyes and go on with your day.
This time I stocked up on the essentials though, Hypnotiq, Hennesey, and Beck’s.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
And condoms...:)
Better get out and get more supplies – prediction is 8-12 more inches starting tomorrow afternoon/evening.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Condoms get in the way of the fun
and we’re on the if it happens, it happens train right now :D
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I can always expect words of wisdom from you Carver
nicely said
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I would never,
even in an imperfect world, want a punter near my gonadials. Just too great a risk IMO.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I was amazed
when I heard the stats regarding the number of FAs on both the Saints and Colts. Here are my thoughts as to why it works for them:
1 – First, you need someone qualified to pick ’em (sub plot: works well with the coaching staff to identify needs)
2 – You need to have a plan – some would argue that this is No. 1 – but you need the qualified body mentioned above to write the plan.
3 – You need a strong, capable coaching staff – to meld the “outsiders” into a team and ensure that everyone is buying into the program
4 – You need strong leaders on O, D and STs to keep the locker room focused and morale high.
Obvious things not to do:
1 – Bring in FAs who cannot or will not be team oriented (get character guys)
2 – Don’t overpay – causes divisiveness; leads to entitlement for starting positions and lowers competitiveness for starting positions – plus messes up cap situation.
3 – Get experience when you can; but don’t be someone’s retirement plan or last shot at making career records.
4 – Don’t get guys who are not suited optimally to the things you want them to do; if necessary change schemes to fit the talent as a last resort.
And off we go to the Super Bowl!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I'll mention that to him
and make sure you get your gratis season ticks. Yeah, right!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Getting FAs
Scott – I certainly agree with you, but all those things are (or should be) very obvious. Do you really think a coach would go after somebody without having an idea on how that guy would fit in? Or does any coach or GM want to pay too much? Amazingly, in the Adam Archuleta trade the team did exactly those things. I still wonder if Gregg Williams wasn’t sacked because Dan or Vinny blamed him for not warning them that he couldn’t use AA correctly. A lot of the worst mistakes were on defense, yet Gregg didn’t get the blame. I have a strong coach might pretty well say he wanted a certain guy, no matter what, and they end up overpaying. Pay is not an exact science. I assume that the salary and cap specialists do their best, but sometimes get out-bargained.
I thought most of what I
threw out there was pretty obvious, too. Didn’t stop them from bringing in Jason Taylor and completely misplaying him away from his strengths. Seems to have happened quite often, especially on defense, with this team in the past. Daniel goes out and gets big names and Blache is unyielding in his schemes. Thank god that is all past tense now.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Trade Cooley for a 2nd
Trade Landry for a 1st or 2nd
Draft Berry with first pick
Pickup OLB Thomas Howard from OAkland
Pickup the backup DE behind Jared Allen
by mr.snyderhireme on Feb 9, 2010 12:11 AM EST reply actions
the problem is that If there is not a Cap agreement
the number of unrestricted FA will dwindle to next to nothing. Without pay cap rules Unless they have 6 years in they will not be unrestricted. I think they said that there is like 112 (could be wrong on the number but its up there) would be knocked out of the unRes FA list. With the cap rules it is 4 years.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
Over 200 will be restricted with no CBA.
Only players 28,29 and up are unrestricted, and they are mostly scrubs, back-ups, or older vets(32,33). All the good FAs are 26,27.
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