2010 Free Agency and Draft
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 7, 2010 7:48 AM EST
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PrintSince free agency occurs before the draft, first take a look at positional needs.
2010 Positional needs (This is a matter of opinion.)
http://www.drafttek.com/teamneeds2010.asp
Washington (These ranking were set before the ¾ defense looked likely for the Redskins.)
Offense
QB, RBF, RBC, WRF, WRP, WRS, OT, OG, TE, OC, FB
1, 5, 5 , 6, 9, 9, 2 , 2, 9, 9, 9
Defense
DT43, DT34, DE43, DE34, OLB43, OLB34, ILB, SS, FS, CB, PK
4, 9, 9, 9, 4, 9, 9, 6, 6, 6, 9
Team Needs Code Descriptions (abbreviated)
1 - This is the absolutely highest priority team positional need.
2 - indicate that the that the team is in great need of starting caliber talent and will reach to fill the need.
If you don’t like the above priorities, select your own evaluation, i.e., the evaluation the Redskins Defense can be done using Pro Football Focus (PFF) - http://profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=32&stype=a&stats=d.
The offense can be evaluated in a similar approach.
Given Jason Campbell proven performance versus the quality of this years draft, QB is not a #1priority , but OL is at left tackle, right guard, and right tackle positions. The directions the Skins go in free agency and their success in filling their needs will determine their draft picks from the 2nd round on. Left tackle need will not be filled in free agency.
Some potential unrestricted free agents.
Guards:
1) Eugene Amano, 51st ranked guard -- overall rating slightly negative (-2.0), but is a good run blocker. Pass protection and penaties reduced rating. http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=1&surn=A&playerid=1953
2) Rex Hadnot, 17th ranked guard at PFF – overall rating 6.5 (better performance than Amano) http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=0&surn=H&playerid=1892
Tackle: Levi Jones, LT, 2009 PFF overall rating was not good at left tackle. He may do much better at right tackle. http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=3&surn=J&playerid=1018
Center: Casey Rabach – age factor is big considering the Teams’ intent for a youth movement. This is already somewhat apparent at long snapper.
Linebackers:
Tully Banta-Cain, ROLB, Overall rating 21.8, run def. 11.1, pass rush 14.9, pass cov. -2.2, penalties -2.0.
http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&surn=B&playerid=1534&group=6
Paris Lenon,WLB/SLB, Overall rating 1.2, run def. 4.2, pass rush -1.0, pass cov. 0.0, penalties -2.0
http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=1&surn=L&playerid=751
Karlos Dansby RILB, OVR 2.0, about as good on run defense and pass defense.
http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2008&page=&surn=D&playerid=1754
Safeties:
Ryan Clark, FS, PFF overall rating 1.2, pass coverage 3.2. He is the only player over 30 that should be seriously considered in a youth movement.
http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=2&surn=C&playerid=1229
Bryan Scott, SS/WLB, Best at OLB, PFF overall rating 5.8, light weight for LB.
http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=1&surn=S&playerid=1370
Cornerback: Dunta Robinson, CB, not the greatest in pass coverage and run defense, but an improvement over some Skins cornerbacks in the 2009 season. His performance was down rated due to penalties. He is replacement quality only considering the stock of cornerback talent on the roster. http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=1&surn=R&playerid=1731
Retain Carlos Rogers.
Presuming linebacker, safety, and offensive guard needs are met in free agency, other needs would be filled by the draft or with UDFA rookies. While additional draft picks maybe attained during the draft that assumption is not being made. Others have made such assumption with good logic. It may be possible to pick up additional moves by trading players on the Teams’ roster. Flexibility in each round was allowed since the first choice may not be available.
1st round, 4th pick – offensive tackle – A) Anthony Davis B) Russell Okung. Power run blocking could out weight pass protection considerations for this rookie slot. Trent Williams had the before season lead, but Okung gained momentum in the rankings as the season progressed. Momentum may now be changing since the junior left tackle potentials entered the draft. Most mock drafts have not caught up with this phenomena yet. The results combines and pro days will be large considerations. In the 2009 draft Sebastian Vollmer was seen as a 4th round pick, he was selected in the 2nd round, and most significantly, out performed the 2009 1st round picks in PFF ratings.
2nd round, 36th pick – offensive line, i.e., best available of Bryan Bulaga, OT;
Bruce Campbell, OT; Charles Brown, OT; (Currently the first three listed may not be available after the first round as well as Trent Williams, OT and Mike Iupati, OG.) Maurkice Pouncey, C; Vladimir Ducasse, OT; Jon Asamoah, OG; or Matt Tennant, C. Centers can considered guard potentials. The youth movement may significantly alter the need perception at the center position.
4th round - Best QB or RB available in the round. Dan LeFevour may be gone by the 3rd round, but Ben Tate, RB, may still be around.
4th round alternatives
Lamarr Houston, DT; Darryl Sharpton, ILB; Thaddeus Gibson, OLB, Roddrick Muckelroy, OLB; Chris Cook, CB; Kendrick Lewis, FS
5th Best running back available in the round: Joique Bell, RB; Charles Scott, RB
5th round alternatives
Jamar Chaney, ILB; O'Brien Schofield, OLB; LeGarrett Blount, RB; Terrell Skinner, FS ; Marshall Newhouse, OG
7th round - Kevin Thomas, CB; Stephan Virgil, CB; Chris Hawkins, CB; Darius Marshall, RB; Chris Brown, RB. (7 or FA - David Pender,CB; A.J. Jefferson, CB; Stafon Johnson, RB;
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Interesting
I am kinda amazed that you/PFF (I haven’t looked at the website) has QB as number 1, but the 1st pick is O-Line. Anyways, I do agree with that, and pretty much all the other ratings that really all we REALLY need is OL and QB, but I think it is QB depth because there is no telling what Collins has left. O-Line: I stand firm on one thing: If we pick Anthony Davis in the first round, he should either start guard, or not immediately at tackle, meaning Samuels would be back. Everyone just is infatuated by Davis, but the guy is just slow. Good technique and strength, but slow, and I think at the NFL level he is gonna get beat a lot at tackle because of it for a couple of years. Okung is the better pick because he is very comparable to Samuels, while a guy like Davis is much more comparable to a Bryant McKinnie, who is a strong, run blocking mauler, but sometimes a liability in on the pass protection. And, maybe you guys are different, I just think that as a backside tackle, the number one job is pass protection. But, I do like how you had the draft laid out position wise. I am not very familiar with late round prospects this year aside from VT because I am a fan. So no comment there.
As I see it the Skins have 3 choices for tackle in the 1st round,
Bulaga, Davis, and Okung. All closely rated with Okung as the more experienced LT as he is a senior. Okung grades as the top pass blocker, but worst run blocker. Coming from Oak State’s spread offense, he could be better prepared to run Baby Shan’s offense. Needs to get bigger and stronger to handle the bull rush and power the running game, not likely due to frame size and loss of athleticism.
Davis is the best run blocker, but worst pass blocker. He has weight and motivation issues, but has the higher ceiling of the 3 based on his size and athletic ability. Would not fit into the ZBS if Shan employs that.
Bulaga is in the middle as a pass and run guy. Doesn’t have the upside to improve over Davis or Okung in either category due to skill-set. Also has a thyroid issue which could become problematic. Would not fit into the ZBS.
Overall, if Shan goes to a pass oriented offense with ZBS, then he probably goes Okung.
If he goes run oriented with a dominating line push, he goes Davis.
Link for Anthony Davis
is the wrong Anthony Davis.
Here's what I like in FA's and the draft:
I have changed mu approach somewhat over the last few weeks. My hope is that we do not do too much in FA this year. I know Oline is a must, but I don’t thing many of the FA avaliable make much sense to us at this point.
FA’s
QB – Rex Grossman – Spent last year with the Texans. Is familiar with the type of Offense Kyle Shahahan should be looking to run. Will be a good backup, of stop gap if you will.
WR – Kevin Walter – A tough as nails, do anything type of WR. Great character guy who also played under the young Shanahan on Houston. Will be able to come in as the 3rd WR, and help the younger WR’s adjust to, and learn the new playbook.
CB – Donte Robinson – Yes, yet another Texan pickup. This could be a valuable pick-up, as I believe Robinson can help us in a few ways. First, he can start if we loose Rodgers, or play nickle if we give Smoot a try as FS. Another option is to us Barns as an occassional FS, as he has all the intangibles to play the position(ie great speed, goog size, and loves to hit).
Draft:
1 – Sam Bradford – QB(Oklahoma) – Yeah I know I’ll take a beating from all the JC lovers out there, but I really don’t care about that anymore. I believe we need an upgrade at the QB position, and Bradford will be a star in the league mor many years. Grossman is the key here too, as I mentioned he could act as a stop-gap or a mentor to Bradford. Either way, we are moving in the right direction for our future with this pick.
2 – Maurice Pouncy – G/C(Florida) – I wanted to go OT here, but I had Charles Brown off the board 3 picks before us in the second, so Pouncy was the best avaliable Linemen at this piont in the draft. He was a beast at Florida starting at both C and G. He could be an immediate starter at either position for us as a rookie.
2 – Jahvid Best – RB(Cal) – I had us picking up best with our seconf 2nd rounder that we get in exchange for Campbell. I don’t know how long he will last into the 2nd, but if he is there for us, we need to take him. Another option I looked at is Ryan Matthews from Fres. St. Again I did not see a value in other linemen at this spot, so i went with best player on the board.
4 – Jason Fox – OT(Miami) – Injury concerns had him falling into the 4th. He is such a great athlete at OT, and is versatile enough to line up on either the Left or Right side. If 100% healthy, he could come in and contribute right away. Fox was a converted TE in High School who was 1 game shy of setting the all-time games played mark at the U. He is one of my favorite players in this draft, and if he is there in the 4th, we should consider ourselves lucky to have him.
5 – Kyle Calloway – OT(Iowa) – Another solid OYT prospect form a tradition rich Olinemen school.
5 – Micha Johnson – MLB – Johnson was the top LB comming out of high school, and surprised many by signing with Kentucky. He has had a solid career playing at a second tier SEC school. He reminds me of Jasper Brinkley(S. Carolina) linebacked now with the Vikings.
7 – A. J. Wallace – CB/S(Penn St.) – Wallace could project to either S of CB. Has good size and speed. Needs to be more physical with WR’s to be successful in the NFL.
uh...no
You completely went over almost all our problems on defense. We still need a FS and we still need an OLB, not to mention, we can still get a decent Olineman without over paying. You are addressing our 6th concern (on my list, QB is the 6th concern we need to think about) with the number one pick where we can get an instant starter at OT and have a good chance of getting one that can be a top tier tackle. And just so you know, I might be okay with Clausen, I can’t trust the future of the franchise to a QB that just had shoulder surgery.
by Nobetterthenbob on Feb 7, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
A bit more harsh then I would say...
I do believe that taking a QB in the 1st round THIS year is just not gonna work, because I believe Bradford and trading Campbell would not improve the quarterback position (immediately), it would be a downgrade because he has barely played last year and missed a lot of key experience. A 2nd round guard is fine for Randy Thomas’ right guard, but if Samuels doesn’t come back, we are screwed. Jones is a fine RT, but not a LT, and we don’t have anyone ready to step up there. Bradford would pull a David Carr back there and get maimed. Campbell was lucky to not have had a season ending injury with the hits he took.
I completely believe that we have to go OL with the 1st pick. We can not afford to go anything but because we need to upgrade our team today, because I don’t want to go worse then 4-12 next year, I really don’t.
Also
Let me take you back and tell you what teams have done the last 2 years to solidify their future on the OL.
2007 Draft: Joe Thomas and Ryan Kalil (Pro Bowlers)
2008 Draft: Ryan Clady (Pro Bowler) and Jake Long (Very good OT)
2009 Draft: Micheal Oher (Run Blocking Mauler) and Eugene Monroe (Good pass blocker for Jags)
QB wise in those drafts…
2007:JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn (Busts)
2008: Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco (Two Bright Futured QBs)
2009: Matt Stafford (Accuracy issues), Mark Sanchez (Had a great D and run game to support him), and Josh Freeman (Okay).
There is just more OL talent EVERY year, and we need to take advantage of it instead of a potential bust when we don’t have the means to play around with potential busts. OL- Easier to get a better one then a QB.
Problem could be Big O that there isn't that "type" of OT in this years draft.
I don’t see a Jake Long, or Ryan Clady or Joe Thomas type of guy. If there was, than this decision could be an easy one for us.
I disagree
I really think that Okung is going to be a good one, but as we know, it is always a guessing game at this point
I think he will be good, just not the calibur of the previously mentioned, and I doubt worthy of the 4th overall pick.
We can get other linemen later in the draft, much like the ones I proposed in my mock.
The kick to the nads is
Other than Suh, there really may not be 9 other “Top Ten” players in this draft. Anyone picked in the top ten (roughly) is automatically going to be overpaid and a higher risk to succeed. Since all the teams know this, we may be faced with a situation that we will not be allowed to move down and/or pick up extra picks – sucko.
This means, we have to pick accordingly:
1 – Best players available that fit the systems Shanny2 and Haslett are going to put in place
2 – and meet the highest priority need, which are IMO:
1 – LT
2 – NT (if 3-4) or
2a – FS
3 – OL
4 – RB (if CP is not the guy this year) or
4a – FS (if not picked up in 2a)
5 – LB (London’s potential replacement)
6 – OL
Should be interesting. And I’m not happy with what I just laid out. It is what it is.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
That's the problem with the #4 pick....
you need much better than good. The team needs a dominating player at his position for a decade. Trading down appears highly unlikely. If the Heads don’t feel completely confident in a player’s dominance at his postion, then they have to move off that player.
Agree
The way it’s looking now, we have to take the “best athlete” over the greatest need. That to me means Berry (unless Suh manages to fall – ha! Not!).
So, the three defining moments of the off season are determined by the following:
- Keep or trade Jason
- If keep Jason, Take Okung or Davis, both would be “overpriced” tackles OR
go with Berry, the more sure bet and best athlete available for a position that fills a need.
- If we go with Berry, then must go with O-line next and again.
OR
- Trade Jason
- Must draft QB
- Must go Oline then
- go D
All this gets shaken, not stirred, if we go to a 3-4, which puts pressure on us to pick up more Defensive players (in draft and FA.)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Yeah
I still think there is a 99.99% chance that no scenario offered by HH posters to date will turn out accurate. So I’m just having fun winging it.
I still think my point is valid that the current draft situation is driving us on two issues: What to do with JC? And how to trade down for more picks? Both decisions are going to affect the franchise for the next decade – and because there are few “sure things” in the upper tier of the draft AND many good prospects later, it is an overall scenario that has us one leg out of the drivers seat and one butt cheek dragging on the ground. That is, we don’t have much control of a potentially disastrous situation. Fortunately, the Cap goes away and there may be enough turmoil in FA to provide the stopgaps we’ll need to be competitive.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I would prefer to trade
Moss, Portis (not likely) than Campbell. Maybe even Betts, but don’t think he’ll bring much.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
The more picks the team can get,
the more holes they can fill. This is a great draft to fill the OL, DL, secondary, and grab a playmaker or 2. And add some quality young depth.
Then McCoy falls to us.
St. Louey probably goes QB.
Have to take McCoy if he is there.
I would take McCoy over Suh definately.
Why take McCoy when we just signed Haynesworth last year
and still have Griffen, Golston, Monty, and Alaxander. Just doesn’t make sense. McCoy, like Suh is not a NT. It would be a wasted pick IMO. Also believe that Berry would not be a good option, as we have taken 2 S’s in the last 10 yeras in the first Rd. Granted one is no longer with us, but we cant just ignore other positions of need.
I disagree
Defense starts on the line. Griffin is done, and the other guys are situational players. What team wouldn’t want 2 dominant tackles? McCoy can play tackle in 4-3 and end in a 3-4. He will be a dominating player on the line of scrimmage for the next 10 years. He gets penetration in the backfield from the tackle position. He can stop the run, and collapse the pocket on passes. He will make everyone on defense a better player, and allow the coaching staff more flexibility in game planning.
Dominant defensive linemen change games, and are very rare.
Not arguing McCoy's talent
just saying we have arguably the most disruptive defensive linemen in the league in Haynesworth who is just 28, and sove very nice youth in Monty, Golston, Alaxander and Jarmon to fit around him. Aside from a true NT if indeed we do switch to a 3-4, I think we are pretty set across the DL for a few years.
Certainly think talent wise McCoy is worth a top 5 pick, but just not for us.
I respect your opinion.
We can agree to disagree.
I think though on offense that if you had a great RT, wouldn’t you also grab a great RG if he was there for you?
My positiion is to upgrade every position on the field. A modest upgrade can be overlooked to fill other weaknesses, but a major upgrade at any position has to be seriously reviewed.
The 3-4 defensive scheme is a big key.
If you consider the way for major upgrades in the 3-4, it would be to select one great ILB and modest upgrade at NT. Roland McClain was the game changer for Alabama defense and he would be playing next to Fletcher. On Scouts Inc grades, McClain’s 94 is the 5th highest grade (one at 98, two at 97, three at 96, two at 95, and five at 94)
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft . The NT option would then be the best NT in the 4th round or later pick if that player was considered better than players already on the Skins’ roster.
Shany had a 3-4 when he first went to Denver and switched to a 4-3. Haslett’s opinion was that the Skins had personnel to go either route, yet the linebacker coach is without a doubt a 3-4 coach.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 8, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Cam Thomas could be there at 4.
McClain is a stud. I am of the opinion that ShanAllen will devote most of their resources, top draft picks and FAs, to the offense. Still, if they go 3-4 now, that would add 3,4 more positions to fill. Ton of personnel changes could be on the horizon.
I think that FS is a need.
There are small upgrades, and there are major upgrades. Berry would be a major upgrade, as many scouts have him as the best player in the draft. He has ball hawking ability, run stuffing and excellent cover skills. He is also very intense with leadership skills.
I also think in the case of Berry that he is a luxury pick,
and our Franchise is not in the ideal situation to be making luxury picks.
We are not bad at S. We have guys on the team that are capable of playing both SS or FS. Maybe Landry is better suited at SS, but guys like Horton, McKenzie, Holmes, Smoot and maybe even Barnes could all contend for the FS spot. If need be, we could also address that in FA or the later part of the draft.
Disagreement noted and accepted.
To me Berry is a gamechanger that the other guys are not. Can they man the position? Probably. Can they change a game? Probably not.
Berry is a ball hawk who can change field position and score. What other need is more valuable?
Berry is rated higher than Landry was.
Berry is rated as high as Taylor was. Many scouts say that he has the highest skill-set of any safety they have seen. A middle linebacker with cornerback speed playing safety. He is also rated as a shutdown corner with Haden’s ability.
That’s pretty scary. The best scout review I read:
" He is a ball-hawk like Reed who hits like Lott with the intensity of Ray Lewis."
I will take a guy like that on my team anytime.
Bradford has the upside, Clausen may have peaked.
I would stay away from any FA OT’s this year. The crop is just not that good. Amano is a descent G prospect, but Pouncy from Florida, the guy I had us taking in the 2nd is far and away better.
Agreed, Bradford over Claussen, and
Pouncey projects much higher than Amano. Pouncey would move to center in ‘11’, and be a stalwart there for a decade.
Agree.
Pouncy was a great interior linemen at Florida. The thought of him at C in the future is exciting. The reason I did a mock draft of my own this morning was to see what OL would go where based on team needs. I had the lions selecting McCoy with their 1st rd pick, them I had them going OT in the second rd. The best on the board at that time was Charles Brown, so I penciled him to Detroit to play LT opposite Gosadar Cherilus. The next best OL avaliable that would fit a need of ours was Pouncy, so I plugged him in as our 2nd rd pick.
Actually this addresses many needs we have on both sides of the ball.
Johnson, Robinson and Wallace add to an already good defense. We could use an OLB prospect to play opposite Rak, but it isn’t top priority. Maybe there is a free agent we can bring in for cheap to fill that roll. The draft addresses 2 OT’s, 1 G/C, a dynamic RB, depth in the secondary, and a good young QB with tremendous upside to build our franchise around.
So what in your opinion, would you do differently?
I'll post my own on a later date
There are too many questions on this team right now for me to make a definite list on draft choices. We still don’t know if we are sticking to the 4-3 or moving to the 3-4. That alone will change who we target in the draft and in FA.
Basically, there isn’t a deep enough FA pool and not enough picks for us to address our needs and take a QB at #4. Plus I just don’t find is smart to put a QB who just injured his shoulder last season behind a line completely new line. Shannahan has always looked to address his line before he looks at QB, so I think this year he goes Oline early while looking at other need positions and takes a QB in the 2nd half of the draft.
by Nobetterthenbob on Feb 7, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I have no problem with the Oline early approach.
The only problem I have is us picking at #4 and selecting a linemen there. I believe #4 is too high this year to pick an Olinemen. Obviously trade back approach would be my first option, but as Johnny and others have stated, it will be tough to trade out of the #4.
You are correct though in waiting until we make an ultimate decision on the defense we are going to install, and to wait to see what approach we take in FA in a month to truely evaluate the draft.
Interesting, these moves would totally change.....
the look and texture of the offense. They would address all the offensive needs, and a near complete makeover of personnnel.
I do believe Papa Shan will predominately direct most off-season moves towards the offense, both in FA and the draft.
I like the FA pick-ups, and while we disagree on draft selections, they do appear sound.
I am concerned about Fox, his injury and health issues have to be closely monitored right up to draft day.
Overall a good job, and adds more players to my scout list.
johnny, in your opinion
do these offensive changes make us better? I know it sounds a bit rhetorical, but some may disagree that Bradford over JC for example make us better.
Good question....answer ...IF?
Bradford at QB, Pouncey at RG, Fox at LT, Calloway at RT, Best at Rb.
I am very comfortable with Pouncey and Calloway as long term solutions.
Very concerned with Bradford, Best, and Fox on the injury front. Of the 3 I feel Bradford is the safer bet. Andrews already cleared him, and says his shoulder is stronger than it ever was. I would say he would be a better long term solution at QB. Best has an elite skill-set and would be a major upgrade. Fox is a good value pick as he is top 100 talent, and a major upgrade also.
IF all stay healthy and match projections, the offense would be vastly improved and set for a long term playoff run.
The problem as I see it is the likelyhood that at least 1,2 or maybe 3 of the 1st -4 picks could be complete busts. Qb with an iffy throwing shoulder, Rb with concussion and neck history, and a lineman with questionable knee and heart issues. Very risky that this could be a wasted draft.
Tiller
What if we go to a 3-4. You have not addressed our needs at NT. Your thoughts?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I guess once that decision has been made, we can look to add a FA NT,
Ryan Pickett from GB jumps to the top of my list. Otherwise, we can use the rotation of Haynesworth, Griffen, Alaxander, Golston and Montgomery to rotate between NT and DE. Although none are what you’d call true NT’s, I believe we can be effective with these guys until we truelu adapt to the principles of the 3-4.
I thought Seymour from
New England via Oakland was available. I thought he played well the few times I say him. Any thoughts there as an FA?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Waiting for the Super Bowl, and have time to scout.
More then a little concerned with Best as far as injury and ability. I just reviewed his injury last November, very scary. He has several injury concerns that are cause for pause. He missed time throughout his career due to various injuries, and he already has 2 concussions, 1 a high grade major. With his back/neck injury history and with 1 more concussion, he could be out of the league.
He projects as a change of pace back with little or no kick return exposure. Looks like a 10-14 touch back who should be taken out on 3rd downs due to poor blocking ability.
His skills are top notch, and he ranks as high as Spiller as a Rb. Spiller is rated higher due to kick return skills.
I would be afraid to burn a high pick on him, skills notwithstanding.
The kid is lucky to be walking.
Love the fact that you're looking for a gamechanging player.
If Best clears all his medical evals and the team selects him, then I am all for this move.
There are 3, maybe 4 breakaway players in this draft. It would be great to grab 1 of them.
CP has a major, too
unless this year’s season ender was smoke and mirrors.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Yep, Westbrook is done because of his.
Problem is, once you get one, you are more susceptible to them. If the Rb is thinking of avoiding contact because of fear, then he loses his effectiveness.
I agree
I wouldn’t touch Best with 4 doctors on a stick. No matter what they said.
Remember what one of the Chiefs said before Trent Green’s last season after they made the decision to go with him: I’m not comfortable with a QB who is one hit away from being scrambled eggs.
Green goes down mid season and the Chiefs are still in disarray. Not saying the same would be the case here, but what a major waste of a draft pick with little up side by my thinking.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I agree, Fox could also be damaged goods.
Some injuries can be overlooked, but knees, neck, heart, and head are worth staying away from.
"1st round, 4th pick – offensive tackle – A) Anthony Davis "
Anthony Davis might be better than Russel Okung, but he in no way fits Mike Shanahan’s blocking scheme. If Okung doesn’t prove worthy of the #4 pick, the Skins wont take a Tackle with the 4th pick.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
Thanks Horcasitas, That was the point I was trying to make in my mock draft.
I truely believe there isn’t a LT worthy of the #4 pick. Others can argue, and I may be proven wrong, but as I posted a few days ago in anothe post, I don’t believe there are any elite LT in the top 10. I’m all for trading down, and grabbing a OT there, but I’m just not comfortable with Okung, or any other OT at #4. If we stay at #4, then I believe it will be Bradford.
I’m certainly not trying to ignore our Oline issues. I do believe they can be addressed later in te draft. As someone posted a few weeks ago, this is just not a one draft re-build. Try and look at this over the course of two different drafts.
argument can be made either way
Get O-Line later, go QB first. QB first, O-Line later. My biggest problem is as many problems as this team has, there has to be priorities, and after this year I don’t know how anyone could not see that O-Line is DC’s Most Wanted.
Especially with the relatively low number of picks we have.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Rekka,
Im my proposed Mock, and even the one Johnny did a few days ago, we had linemen(and good prospects at that) scattered throughout the draft. We certainly are not able to address every issue in one draft, but the building blocks can certainly be layed with this approach.
Let me expand slightly on Rekka's comment
I think he’s saying (well, I am) is that there are no QBs worthy of a #4 pick, either.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Could be true
but if I’m going to gamble with that 4th pick, I want to bet my chips on a game changer.
I know QB bust are brought up all the time, but there have been some big OL bust as well. Mandrich, Gallary, Andrews etc.
If we are going to gamble our future at pick #4, give me a guy that can change the game with the ball in his hands.
If one HAD to gamble
I would agree. Still in the we don’t need a QB this draft camp, so I’d go somewhere else with the pick. On the other hand, if that is the way they go, I’d root for him (presuming JC is gone). And there is that thing about him being part Native American. Adds a little spice to the mix.
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My prediction is...Bradford would love to come to Washington.
And within his tenure, the name gets changed. I think he would bring more awareness and publicity, and there would be a grass roots campaign, with him as the poster child, to rename the team.
I was rooting for him
to take a stand against a name change. But that’s just me.
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Latest forecast
an additional 10-20 inches starting tomorrow afternoon. Just when you think it can’t get any better…it does!!
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he's in annapolis
I GUESS you could call that the DC area. Close enough that he’s gonna get another dose of this Winter Awesomeness at least.
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I agree, Davis and Okung are not top 5 grade.
The 3 studs, and the 2 QBs are the only serious options at 4.
I am fairly confident that those 5 come off the board...
within the first 7,8 picks. Of course the combine and pro days could change that, but if anything, it would more likely solidify their status.
Great post, I to wonder why Draftek rated QB as the # 1 need.
Regardless, if Big Shan feels either QB is franchise worthy, then he will use that 1st pick on a QB. The entire draft is dependant upon what happens in FA. Do they sign JC long term? Do they sign 2 or 3 OL? Do they sign a FS, OLB, ILB, NT, Wr, Rb?
To me the key to the whole off-season is: What do they do with Jason Campbell between now and March 1? Once we know that, then the other dominoes will fall into place.
I think it is very safe to say that they will add multiple draft picks. In my opinion, most everyone on the team is on the open trade market. ShanAllen will make the bulk of team turnover in year 1 of this regime. Identify the few core players on the team now to build around, and move as many other pieces as possible to bring new players on board to learn the new O&D schemes by the start of training camp.
Not agreeing with those rankings
I am guessing that those rankings are drafteks & not yours Jefferson because in a different post you had said that you didn’t believe that QB was a high need. I disagree on QB being #1 & on TE being a 2, that makes no sense with Cooley, Davis & Yoder on our team. FS is a 6. I don’t think that picking O-line in the 2nd is a good idea unless a good prospect drops to us. Everyone on the list above before Lupati’s name will be gone before our 2nd rd. pick (IMO) & everyone listed after that would be a reach with our early 2nd rd. pick. Better to fill another need with a quality pick & grab a guard in the 4th. ( John Jerry, Mike Johnson maybe) It’s not just about picking talent tho, it is more important to be able to teach the players selected how to play football in the NFL IMO, & that is something that I believe we will be much better at now than we have been for a long time. I think the pick will be Okung & I really feel that he will be worth it. Shanahan as compared him to Ryan Clady, who Shanahan also took in the 1st
You are right!
The Drafttek needs list was not mine. If you go to their site you will see that it is setup for all NFL teams. See Drafttek’s 9 definition and why a 9 can be assigned in a position not really of team need. Their 2 was only assigned for guard and tackle. Their 9s can be disregarded.
I view the whole scenario as something dynamic. Free agency is less so because the Skins can contact who they want, but the draft limits the picks in that their choices might not be available for them. Just like your predicament on Mocking the Draft for seven rounds.
So I setup a draft list that is flexible and will not take a great amount of time to choose, i.e., less than 5 minutes unless a potential trade is in progress.
Tomorrow, February 8, will see lists of players that will be released. http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl. Some of the players have already “unofficially” been notified. Jaguars | T. Thomas will be released Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:15:12 -0800 Vito Stellino, of the Florida Times-Union, reports the Jacksonville Jaguars are planning to release OT Tra Thomas. Players cannot be waived until Monday, Feb. 8, but the team has given him advance notice.
There are other posts like the above, but 2/8 things might start popping. The discussions on free agents can then begin (bigger) time.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 7, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Expect big names on these release lists this month.
Teams that release before March 1 relieve themselves of 2011 obligations. After March 1, then a bigger pro rated portion of cap money goes into 2011.
I expect several surprise Skins to be released here as well.
How about the proposed move of Smoot to FS?
He played there some last year, and if Barnes, Tryon, and maybe Robinson if we were to get him via FA can fill the CB’s spots next to Hall, and Rodgers, then why not make this a permanent move. We already know the kid can cover and is a pretty descent tackler as well.
I'd prefer Horton
already know he’s a ballhawk, and will work hard to learn his new position.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
good eye on coverage
wraps up to tackle. What else?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
By the Numbers
Kevin Barnes 40 Yard Dash : 4.52 seconds
Chris Horton 40 Yard Dash : 4.51 – 4.56 seconds
Kevin Barnes – 6’0" 185lbs
Chris Horton – 6’0" 212lbs
When you say ball skills, you looking for number of INTs?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Ball skills meaning how they react when the ball is in the air.
I thought Barnes was in the 4.4’s. Not saying that 4.51 is bad at all. I thought I remember his coach saying that there was not a reciever that they faced that he could not stay stride for stride with, and that he was one of the fastest guys he coached.
Not sure
I haven’t done any research on what coaches said about their ballskills. At FS we would need a guy that could take the punishment that comes with the job.
LOVE that Barnes has no problem with mixing it up in the running game, but I don’t believe his body can stand up to that punishment for 60 minutes, 16 times ?(or more) per year.
One of the things said about Chris coming out of the draft was that he already has good size and has the frame to add about 10 more pounds.
Positives: Has adequate overall muscle tone and a frame that can carry at least another 10 pounds of bulk…Aggressive tackler who puts good power behind his hits…Shows quickness and agility and is aggressive to the ball…Has football intelligence and is able to learn and adjust on the field with ease…Makes the calls in the secondary and plays with good awareness, reacting quickly…
via NFL Draft Player Profiles 2008
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
It is hard to know what the team has.
With the way they have been used. Hopefully the new staff will better put these guys in position to succeed. Or replace them with upgrades.
Smoot is not a strong tackler and maybe a bit light for FS.
If we are an attacking D, Smoot provide a better cover option in the secondary but we sacrifice a strong body at the LOS. Don’t recall him being an effective blitzer – at least not from 18 yds off the LOS per last year.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
From 16 yds off the LOS
Oh wait, was having a flashback to last year. I likee Landry as a blitzer from the secondary. He is strong and will make more behind the line tackles as he won’t be tempted for the knockout (my theory that when you line up your secondary 10-15 yds off the LOS – the temptation is to sprint to where you think the ball carrier is going to be and try to come up with the mother of all hits; failing to take into account a players elusiveness, for one thing.) Blitzing in traffic a shorter distance to the QB or on a run blitz, Landry should be more effective.
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Of the free agents that were listed.
I would keep Rogers, Rabach, and Jones.
It appears more likely that the 3-4 is coming so a new defensive leader will need to be brought in. Fletcher has 1 maybe 2 good years left, the time to bring in another interior linebacker is now. I like Dansby for that role, he is familiar with their scheme and is a leader. If they don’t sign a FS, then they might be looking at Berry hard. If they sign a guard, then that is a position they might not adress early(1-4rd) in this draft.
So many questions.
When I do a mock or read a mock I look at two things:
Can the positions being projected fill a need at that position, and are they providing value at the spot they are picked.
Bradford – Is it a position of need? It can be argued both ways. I’ll say fir the same of my agruement, that Bradford will be, in time a major upgrade over JC. Maybe just the upgrade we need to take us to the next level. Is he a value at #4? I’ll say he is the better value of our previously mentioned options. He certainly wouldn’t be a “holy shit” pick, unless of course his arm falls off between now and the draft.
Pouncy – Is it a position of need? Certainly. A young stud that can play all 3 of the interion line positions is a commodity in the NFL.
Does he provide value in the 2nd rd? Absolutely. This kid is prob a late 1st early 2nd rd talent with tremendous upside.
Best – Does he fill a position of need? Definitly. With and aging Portis, and no real game breakers on the team, he could prove to be the dynamic playmaker we all long for. Is he a value in the 2nd? Yes. IMO he is 1st round talent.
Fox – Does he fill a position of need? Most Certainly. Does he provide value in the 4th? As long as he checks out medically, he could be the steal of the draft if he indeed lasts into the 4th rd.
Calloway – Does he fill a position of need? Yes. Is he a value in the 4th? Not a question. Kid has talent.
Johnson – Does he fill a need? Not and immediate need, but will be needed in the future, and can play ST. Is he a value in the 5th? I’ll say yes.
Wallace – Does he fill a need? Not an immediate one, but if he learns the FS position, he could work his way into the team? Is he a value in the 7th? Probably. Kid has a lot of talent, but lacks the head to match.
Tiller I like your questions.
On the other hand, a mock of the actual draft requires that there are other participants, i.e., usually 31 other teams. Without the dynamics involving the other teams, it is not really a mock draft.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 8, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff, I actually did a full mock based on team needs and draft poisition.
I just didn’t want to post the whole thing so I just posted what I had the Skins taking. I did the mock through the 2nd rd, and believe me, after the first few picks in the 2nd, it really became a crap shoot.
Well I could have said of my original post in this thread
(after the 2nd round) a shotgun approach. One that sent out to a broad target. I tend to see that as what happens when the variable are not in a specific teams control.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 8, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Key decisions
It appears that the draft and maybe even the entire direction of the team depends on what the Skins think of and do with Jason Campbell (by March 1? – what are the key dates?). If he goes, they’ll get a QB early, and if he stays, they’ll load up on O-linemen. Until we know JC’s fate, we’re dealing with multiple scenarios.
I didn't understand how Draftek did that either.
In several of my draft boards, 1 of them a paid service, they also claim QB is the #1 need.
Don't get me started on the
media bobbleheads. Very few of them actually know more about our team than the average posters we have here.
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With heartfelt exceptions to our
fledgling bobbleheads, Kevin and Sugar. :)
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Who definitely
know more about our team than the average poster.
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Looking backwards at the front seven.
Drafttek’s, http://www.drafttek.com/teamneeds2010.asp, defense needs list is not the prevail view for the requirements in a 3-4 alignment except for the defensive backfield as 6 rated needs. Their view does not indicate a need for a NT or any linebackers in the 3-4 scheme. Maybe the draft does not need as much focus on the front seven as has been seen on HH posts. Agree or not??
Defense
DT43, DT34, DE43, DE34, OLB43, OLB34, ILB, SS, FS, CB, PK
4, 9, 9, 9, 4, 9, 9, 6, 6, 6, 9
4 (Position 4) – Player Position’s tagged with a P4 code are depth needs. P4 is purely a value oriented selection, so there is no reach.
5 (P5) – The P5 code is used to identify positional needs that the team absolutely wants to fill (within reason), but does not want to invest a high draft pick. P5 PP’s start the simulation as an equivalent to P4 (depth needs), but in the 4th round all P5 PP’s are promoted to P3. Thus the chances of the PP’s getting a player fill increase dramatically in the 4th round.
6(P6) – The P6 code is used to identify late round fill needs – like a kicker, fullback, or backup QB. P6’s have very low priority in rounds 1-5 and will only fill a player under the most unlucky of circumstances for the team. In the 5th round, a conversion takes place and all P6 PP’s convert to P4.
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