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Skins 2010 Draft (as I would do it) :1st Edition


This is my pre-combine Skin mock for 2010. I wanted to add more picks to get the players I think the team could use so I took it upon myself to make some moves. I traded the #4 pick to the Bills for their #9 and 3rd rd selection. Buffalo is desperate for a QB. They are a frugal team, but I need to get out of 4 so I threw the trade chart away. I also traded the  #37th pick to Carolina for their  #47th and 4th rd selection. Carolina has no 1st rd pick, and they need help in multiple areas so I think they would jump into a higher slot for their 1st pick of the draft. The trade chart is outdated, and so I disregarded it to get an extra pick. I have 2-4th round picks and 7 overall for the 7 rounds.

I did not draft a QB because there are too many questions with this whole class, and I wanted to fill as many holes as possible this year. I also did not get anyone in the secondary as I just needed more picks.

These are the players I have targeted to build  a foundation for the future.  Each player has their own negatives, but I won't include them as teams never do either. All of the commentary comes verbatim from professional scouts. Please respond with your own opinions and views.

 

1st Round #9 : Anthony Davis-LT-Rutgers: 6'6", 325 Lbs.

                                   A physically gifted athlete with unlimited potential. Powerful pass blocker with quick feet who locks up defenders and stifles them upon contact. Dominating run blocker who looks to push his man not into the ground but through it. Wins at the point of attack with a strong punch.

My opinion: Needs the occasional kick in the @$$. He must show up at the combines at 320-325Lbs. If not disregard this pick. DeMarcus Ware: 'meet dirt'.

 

2nd Round #47 : Dexter McCluster-Wr/Rb/Kr-Mississippi: 5'7",165 Lbs.

                                 Can line up anywhere in any formation and when he is in the open field, it's over. There are few players in football as exciting as he is.

My opinion: Not an every down back, 3rd down, occasional wildcat, kick & punt returner. Needs to run a sub 4.44 and show good upper and lower body strength at combines. A  gamechanger  the skins have never had.

 

3rd Round #74 : Geno Atkins-DT-Georgia: 6'1",290 Lbs.

                                 Very fast with brute physical strength who can make plays up and down the line. High motor with excellent ability to penetrate.

My opinion: Has the speed, quickness, and strength to play end in a 3-4 if team makes switch. Needs to run a sub 5 and show excellent strength at combine. A poor man's Gerald McCoy.

 

4th Round # 101 : John Jerry-RG-Mississippi: 6'5",332 Lbs.

                               A bruiser and a workhorse who doesn't miss games. Very physical player and a punishing run blocker who never quits a play.

My opinion: Good bloodlines as his brother starts for the Falcons. Needs to be at 325-330 lbs at combine. A true blue-collar road grader.

 

 4th Round # 109 : Jared Veldheer-RT-Hillsdale: 6'8",321 Lbs.

                          A giant tackle with athleticism, strength, quick feet, and speed.

My opinion:   Can play LT and G. Needs a sub 5-40, and very good upper and lower strength at combine.

 

5th Round # 132 :  Danny Batten-OLB- S.Dakota St. : 6'3",250 Lbs.

                              Projects as an outside backer who can play inside, finds cracks to penetrate and stuff the run. Good ability to get to the QB. Has good cover skills     

My opinion: Multi purpose player to put pressure on QB  and cover backs or end. Should be a quality special teams player. Look for a sub 4.7 and excellent cone/drill work. 

 

7th Round #199 : Aaron Pettrey-K-Ohio St. : 6'2", 200 Lbs.

                        Strongest kicker in a weak class, has good 50+ yd ability.    

My opinion: Look for consistant 50+ kicks at combine. Over 50%    

 

After the combines this entire list may get scrapped, but these are the players I have targeted for the 2010 Skins. Hopefully we will get many more lists, and we can learn more about these players before draft day. At least when their name gets called, we have an idea of who and what they are, and how they might  fit in.   Draft Day is awesome when you follow prospects, and know who is left on the board as your team gets called.           

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In a rush, but on Anthony Davis

No. I broke down him, Okung, and Campbell in a post a while back that LJP had and Davis showed me nothing except that he might be a good OG. He is very strong, but he just gets off the ball so slowly that fast DEs will shred him. Once he gets moving, he is fine, but the guy is like a freight train, he needs to get going before he can really bring any sort of a punch. I would NOT be opposed to trading down to Bruce Campbell, but I think Anthony Davis is not gonna translate well as a pro-tackle until he can get his ass off the ball.

by BigOLinemen on Feb 5, 2010 5:50 AM EST reply actions  

Davis might end up a better guard, but projects well as a franchise LT with proper technique.

At least that is what most of my draft guides state. He does have motivation and possibly attitude issues when not kept in check. His upside is higher than anyone else on the board, and does have perennial pro bowl talent. His combine is huge, and I want to see his weight and attitude. At the least he should be a dominating guard.
Campbell scares me too much with injury issues for a 1st rd pick. I think he goes late 1st round, maybe 2nd.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not in a rush BigO, just want to get my picks in before the combines.

I am a draftnik, and love this time of year. The fortunes and futures of many franchises depend on the next few months. I also hope to engage more fans to get involved in the process, and share their thoughts on specific players, both pre and post combine. The micro-analysis of team construction is fascinating for a diehard fan like myself. I appreciate your feedback, and will follow B.Campbell throughout the process.
I am even contemplating going to Indy for the spectacle of it all. It’s on my bucket list. Maybe Papa Shan will hire me as a waterboy or his headset guy…or not!

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

KC Joyner

is doing this series on the draft picks where he charts every play of five games and compares certain metrics that have shown to translate into the NFL. For LT he uses “splash plays” which is basically any play that causes nagtaive impact like a hold, sack, qb pressure, missed block, flase start etc…. finding the percentage that you did that roughly translated to the certain rate in the NFL. He liked Davis but thought he needed alot of coaching. He savaged the dude from Oklahoma comparing his metrics to Gosder Cherilous who is a disappointment in Detroit. He really liked Campbell better than everyone other than Okung. He had a better splash play rate than Davis or Williams. Joyner said he compared to Long for the dolphins in that he was an Elite run blocker and a good pass protector. Saying that guy was more valuable than alot of the the guys who excelled in pass pro but were weak in the run. His whole series was pretty convincing for someone like me who rarely watches college football.

by BayAreaBullet on Feb 6, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting, never heard of that.

Campbell only started for 1 season. He has incredible strength and size. He has all the attributes to be a front line stud. Most experts are concerned with his injury history, he missed a lot of time with seperate injuries. No question about his talent.
Davis does need coaching and motivation, no doubt. His upside is tremendous, even higher than Campbells. I would be interested in checking that article out though, sounds enlightening.
Thanks for the input.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 6, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

KC Joyner 2010 NFL draft articles

KC Joyner
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4763943&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft10%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d4763943
    * 1/19: The Draft Lab: Brian Price
    * 1/12: The Draft Lab: Jevan Snead
    * 1/5: The Draft Lab: Derrick Morgan
    * 12/29: The Draft Lab: Dan Williams
    * 12/22: The Draft Lab: Bruce Campbell
    * 12/15: The Draft Lab: Anthony Davis
    * 12/8: The Draft Lab: Tim Tebow
    * 12/1: The Draft Lab: Ndamukong Suh
    * 11/24: The Draft Lab: Rolando McClain
    * 11/17: The Draft Lab: Trent Williams
    * 11/10: The Draft Lab: Gerald McCoy
    * 11/3: The Draft Lab: Terrence Cody
    * 10/27: The Draft Lab: Marvin Austin
    * 10/20: The Draft Lab: Navorro Bowman
    * 10/6: The Draft Lab: Brandon Lang
    * 9/29: The Draft Lab: George Selvie
    * 9/22: The Draft Lab: Cornerbacks and size
    * 9/15: The Draft Lab: Patrick Robinson

See the lower right side of the page.

by Jefferson1935 on Feb 6, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Information/Analysis in these articles.

To read the whole article(s) you need to be a ESPN insider. Yet there are some hints in KC Joyner’s thinking in his analysis in the writings without seeing the whole article(s). Glean what you can without joining insider.

by Jefferson1935 on Feb 7, 2010 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't have insider, but I did check...

the article out. Don’t think it will change my draft board, but something to consider.
Thanks again.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 7, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnny

I love the trade back approach, and I think Davis is the one I would traget as well. I love his potential, and think he has some of the best feet I’ve seen for a big man. He may need a year to adjust to the NFL, but when he does, watch out. I really like John Jerry in the 4th. He could be a force in the NFL, and could eventually become a steal in the 4th rd. I wouldn’t shy away from Sam Young depending on where he was avaliable. I know your not very high on him, but he was a 4 year starter for ND, and eventhough he looked lost at times, he just needs some good coaching to bring out his potential. I thought he looked good in the Senior Bowl, so we’ll see if that transulates to the combine and personal workouts. I am still high on Dennis Landolt from PSU in the late rounds as a G/T prospect. He was not invited to the combine, so he could be there at the end of the draft for us. He is a high character, high motor, solid techinque guy, that I’m sure would fit in with the Redskins new philosophy. As for McCluster, I’m still up in the air. I’m just having a hard time using that high a pick on someone I don’t feel is an every down player. Also, as you and I discussed in a previous post, I am a fan of O’Brian Schoefield from Wisc. Fast, athletic OLB that could fit nicely into the 3-4.

Overall, well done.

by Tiller56 on Feb 5, 2010 6:52 AM EST reply actions  

+1000

I love the trade down approach, especially realizing that the trade chart is on a guideline and shouldn’t be followed dogmatically.

Would you really go for a 3rd down back over trying to get an every down RB to replacing the fast fading CP?

by aFan4Life on Feb 5, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Beware
especially realizing that the trade chart is on a guideline and shouldn’t be followed dogmatically.

the Cerrato mentality took this approach. Mistake #1 – miss out on better talent by trying to “beat the chart” looking for deals. Mistake #2 – panicking and throwing in the “extra” draft pick to seal the deal (i.e. overpaying and squandering draft picks).

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Feb 5, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

and also beware

not taking a beneficial trade because it doesn’t match the “holy” trade chart. It’s just a tool, not a substitute for actual thinking. The problem with the trade chart is that everyone has it now so getting a real deal is unlikely. The only time it happens is when a team feels a need like the Buffalo example that is referenced.

I’ve heard lots of talk about us drafting FS Berry because he’s going to be one of the people that’s supposedly worth a #4 pick. The problem is that we could get a good FS many rounds later. I’d rather trade down like this post proposes and pick up players we really need (OL) than make a luxury pick for a slightly better player. I also don’t want to draft a RB at #4 (Spiller) because RBs are the last piece you need to add to a team, not the first.

Sadly this entire years draft crop isn’t very impressive so there’s not a lot of players spending #4 money on. Trading for future draft picks would also be better alternative than just settling for whoever is left of the weak crop of college players. Too bad the NFL hasn’t implemented a rookie cap so that making a high draft pick doesn’t mean committing a huge chunk of your teams cap money to a single player. And anyone who thinks the cap is going away is fooling themselves – it’s changing, not dissappearing and from what I’ve read there will be provisions that will make it painful for teams who go crazy in this “uncapped year”.

by aFan4Life on Feb 5, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, the 3 studs and 2 QBs are the only players worth a top 5.

This draft isn’t top heavy, but it is extremely deep in offensive and defensive linemen.
2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks are gold in a year like this.
There will be a rookie cap in the new CBA.
Every contract signed has to be factored in with 2011 and a lower cap in mind.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood, just don't see any other way to drop down from the #4.

The trade chart will have to be worked over as it is outdated. It doesn’t take into account the rookie’s salaries of today.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, McCluster has a better chance to score with 10 touches,

than most anyone else does with 20-25. Still would need a Betts type 1st & 2nd down back.
The league is all about scoring and playmakers, defenses hate when they have to focus so much of their game planning on trying to stop 1 guy. McCluster would give us that.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds too much like Reggie Bush to me

and I don’t think he’s really been all that big of a deal in the NFL. Brees and the WRs make that offense go, not Bush who’s really their #2 RB. But I say that without having ever watched McCluster so I wouldn’t be shocked to be wrong.

by aFan4Life on Feb 5, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, but Bush was selected #2 overall to a sick contract.

Money, MTV, Kim K., and that kind of media attention perhaps placed too much focus on him, and affected his game. Bush still has the talent and skills to put it all together.
McCluster can’t carry a team, but he could be an excellent diversion from their normal gameplan. He would also be a weapon that baby Shan could employ to disrupt defenses. He almost definately goes in the 2nd round, and whatever team gets him has a human highlight reel, and possible ROY.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you brother on playmakers.

Got to have them. On both sides of the ball.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 6, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

it's what YOU don't get

the history of the NFL is full of teams with a few playmakers who are personally great yet the team sucks because management always goes after “playmakers” without ever adressing the team foundation. Go watch barry Sanders…Super Bowls ZERO. You’re just like VC wanting to ignore the same positions that have been forgotten for a decade because the foundation players don’t get seen in a highlight reel.

The right way to do it is to build the foundation and then add playmakers. Right now our foundation sucks.

by aFan4Life on Feb 8, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I drafted what I think are 3 starting offensive linemen and a defensive lineman.

Davis, Jerry, Veldheer, and Atkins. That seems like a good foundation to me. I also picked who I think can be a big playmaker on offense, something else we need, McCluster.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 8, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

With McCluster? Absolutely! I predict Rookie of the Year for him.

He is gaining weight, and should be able to handle 185-190lbs without sacrificing his tremendous quickness and speed.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 14, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, we agree on Davis and Jerry...cool.

Young did have a good Senior Bowl, not a great week, but a good game. I like Saffold, Veldheer, Calloway, and Washington over Young in the 4th and 5th. My boards destroyed him, so I am very hesitant.
I will definately keep an eye on him at the combines. Landholt looks like a FA pick-up, and I will keep my eye on him as well.
Schoefield would be a great add, just not sure I want to burn a 5th on him with his injury. A 7th or FA pick-up..definately.
I want to really evaluate DeMac at the combines, but players with his skill-set can be counted on one hand.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I do like Calloway.

Comes from a good program with a strong tradition of developing quality linemen.

by Tiller56 on Feb 5, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice!

Lets do another mock with us taking Bradford #1 and trading JC for an additional 2nd and 6th. Then we can really see the low hanging fruit linemen approach come into play.

Yeah johnny, I not sold on Clausen either. I watched a lot of ND games this season, and was really impressed by him, but when I compare the 2 QB’s side buy side, Bradford always come out on top for me. Just think if he came out as a RS soph the year after his heisman. He prob would have been taken by the Lions instead of stafford. The kid is just that good. To be able to have him as a Redskin, granted one year from his record setting year, still gives me shivers.

by Tiller56 on Feb 5, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I give him major props for going back to school.

To try and win a national championship, unfortunately he got hurt, but still….kudos for the effort. If Bradford does recover fully, and looks great in workouts, then St. Louis almost definately takes him. They have to go QB if a stud is there.
If the skins can get some extra picks this year, they can fill a lot of cracks in the ship.
This draft is loaded with OL, DL and role players.
Bradford looks good, sounds good, has a great attitude. He would be very popular and sell a boatload of jerseys.
Have to get 2 quality linemen out of this draft, 1 tackle and 1 guard.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Dennis Landolt

Will probably end up as an UDFA. It would be good for the Skins to make contact him before the draft.

by Jefferson1935 on Feb 5, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree 100%

There will be a couple dozen guys or so that could make an impact.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Prob true.

He could make for a solid FA.

by Tiller56 on Feb 5, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

like the guys you have in rounds 4 and 5

they have all been on my radar, especially Veldheer, sounds like a prototypical Shanny OL guy.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Feb 5, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks, I've like Jerry for a while.

Veldheer and Batten just recently hit the radar. They are system guys.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

One comment about the OLinemen

You’ve picked some pretty big dudes and I was wondering if you factored in Shanny’s preference for smaller, quicker OLs? Just a thought.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Feb 5, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

I am not sure of what to make of Shan's ZBS.

Was it out of necessity because of what he had? Is it because he drafts late and has to resort to smaller guys? Maybe he wants to load up on skill guys early, and draft smaller, faster guys late because they are so plentiful? Jerry and Veldheer would be good system guys for ZBS, Davis not so much.
If there was ever a year to go big and strong, this is it.
The best way going forward to defeat these speed rushing ends is to punish them repeatedly in the ground attack, and keep them on their heels. Strength vs. strength!

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

I had

the same discussion with Carver and Rekka. We seemed to agree that it is his preference to go smaller/quicker and generally later in the rounds. I think we were evenly split between the advantages of smaller/quicker guys for ZBS and the advantages of not having to compete in the same pool as would be required to go after the early round behemoths.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Feb 5, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If that is the case this year, then expect Bradford and skill players early.

Well, there is a reason every one competes for the bigger guys. The advantage of the smaller, faster guys on the line is no one else really wants them. They are low hanging fruit. The disadvantage is teaching them the exact technique and communication between them, and proper coaching is essential. Not sure if Woerster is that guy.
I would say if they waited until the later rounds for linemen, then they probably go QB in the 1st.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

Mcclusters and 3rd round pick

 I like the idea of Mcclusters anyone who has seen him play knows that he is “VERY” dangerous. also I’m in favor of the multiple OL picks though I don’t know enough about them all to make comment on who we should get. Just one question: didn’t we use our third round on Jarmon or are thinking about us getting one in a trade? Just asking cause I haven’t had the chance to check this yet.

by va$kinsfan on Feb 5, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Johnny,

were are you seeing Charles Brown going in most of your mocks? I have been so busy with signing day and recruiting lately ,that I haven’t been as astute on my draft info.

by Tiller56 on Feb 5, 2010 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Earlier you were for Jason Fox

His stock with Scouts Inc has continued to go down, i.e., grades 75>59>38. Yet he is still above prospective pick level with CBS Sports as Kyle Calloway (grade – 74). That would be something if the Skins drafted both Iowa tackles: Bryan Bulaga and Calloway.

by Jefferson1935 on Feb 5, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Fox has serious health issues.

A bad knee injury that may never heal 100%. He also has an irregular heartbeat, and missed a game because of it. Hard to see him going before the 5th or 6th round.
I do like Bulaga and Calloway, they come from good stock.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeff,

I still like Fox a lot. Team captain, all conference, most valuable player for the Canes. The kid is good when healthy. My guess is the injury has him dropping so far. We’ll see how he responds in rehab, and how he preforms at combine/proday if ready. Even if he isn’t 100% at his pro day, I would still consider drafting him projected on the medical staff giving him a thumbs up.

When healthy, he can be a probowl calibur RT, IMO.

by Tiller56 on Feb 6, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Early 2nd, missing the Senior Bowl hurts his stock.

He needs to show up at the combines at close to 300 Lbs, and get stronger. Currently he is 285, and too small for LT. Obviously he backed out of the bowl because he hasn’t gotten big enough yet. His weigh-in at the combines could affect what round he goes in. I am pretty sure he will be there at 37.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 5, 2010 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

I didn't hear who specifically he is training with.

All these guys have personal trainers to gear up for the combines. Big money at stake.
Brown has a high upside, so an impressive weigh-in and performance at combines and pro days could elevate him to top 25 status. As skin fans, we don’t want him to look too good just yet. Hopefully he gains a few pounds and shows decent strength and skills, but still lags behind just a bit. Then we have a better chance of grabbing him at 37.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 6, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the positions but think there should be some changes

I understand the trade value chart isn’t gospel, but they got to get more than a 3rd round pick out of a 4th-9th swap. Though I fully approve of trading back. I hope they trade back multiple times to stockpile 2nd and 3rd round picks (in addition to dealing Campbell and Fred Davis). As much as I love McCluster I’d pick Toby Gerhart over him. For all the talk about not having a break-away running back, we also lack a short yardage redzone back. Gerhart could fill that need and be the next John Riggins (now if they have enough extra picks I’d fully go after McCluster late 2nd early 3rd round).

Other than that the only picks I have a problem with are the 3rd and 7th rounder. DT is too much of a strength to grab one in the 3rd round, and I think that is a bit high for Atkins. I’d either get my 2nd running back their grab a QB like LeFevour or go defense and take either a corner or Free safety. In the 7th round i’d maybe look at a QB if i didn’t grab one earlier or a DT maybe. If there is no cap this year there are plenty of kicking upgrades the Skins can make on the FA market, and even if they don’t sign one i’d rather hope to sign a priority FA than waste an early 7th round pick.

by Steve Shoup on Feb 8, 2010 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

Toby Gerhart reminds me of the running back out of Wisconsin (Ron ?).

Neither one has (had) NFL speed. Yet I suspect that Stanford had a decent O-Line.

by Jefferson1935 on Feb 8, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He's def. better than Dayne

Speed can be overrated, remember when we had Canidate and Morton and we thought we’d run past everyone? Gerhart might not get 60 and 80 yard runs like Chris Johnson, but he will get his share of 15-20 yard gains. The real benefit of his is the fact that he gets us the short yardage situations that have haunted the Skins in recent years. How many times did we settle for a field goal because we couldn’t run it in from inside the 3 yard line? Or see a drive stall at 3rd and 1 or 2? Gerhart can get those yards. Also it should be noted while he played on a solid team, this wasn’t exactly USC or Alabama, and Gerhart faced a Top-50 rushing defense (and many much higher than that) just about every week. By comparison Ingram only faced 2 top 50 rushing defenses Florida and Texas.

Gerhart may be underrated because of his lack of speed, but he gets the job done and that is all that matters at the end of the day.

by Steve Shoup on Feb 8, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Not only that

His one cut style fits in perfect with Shannahan’s running scheme

by Nobetterthenbob on Feb 8, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right in some ways.

Lateral movement is important for a running back to cause missed tackles and also spin moves can gain a few more yards. Larry Brown took a lot of hits because of his sheer determination. Stanford did beat Oklahoma without having an outstanding QB.

by Jefferson1935 on Feb 9, 2010 6:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Good input, thank you.

Could have gotten a 4th also in the trade, but no team is jumping up into the top 5 as it is, especially Buffalo. Gerhart is a nice player; steady, hard worker, short yardage back. Not bad, I like Gerhart also.
I picked Atkins because I feel DT is a bigger need than anyone else, and Atkins is so quick and strong. I feel pretty confident he goes early 3rd at the latest, fast riser.
I understand not picking a kicker, there are FAs available. The team needs a kicker and Pettrey is the best coming out of college.
I went with McCluster not just as a utility back/receiver, but also because of his kick return ability, which I think the team desperately needs.
I wanted to get a FS, just couldn’t find one in my mock range.
Thanks for the analysis, appreciate it.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 9, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

THere is a receiver who I heard on the Dan Patrick Radio show podcast

(yes I am sad listening to American Sports Radio on the internet) about 3 months ago

He led the nation in receptions, but it was for a small school and his 40 time was like a 4.8 or something too slow, however he gets like 20 receptions a game (no exageration)

my question is, if he does not get drafted because of his slow 40 and his small school status, isnt a guy with great hands worth taking as an UFA (hello Pierre Garcon) or even a 7th rd pick.

I think sometimes in sport you have to just take the Football player not the athlete.

You know hes not gonna drop passes, and hes clearly got some moves if not blistering speed, would he not be a good 3rd down receiver, strong hands in Traffic, get to the 1st down markers and make tough catches type

Or is conventional wisdom so powerful now that recievers get drafted purely on speed

If so I am not happy about this, I can understand not taking a Slowish corner, but a receiver chooses where he runs, surely speed is not everything, particuarly in a situational role??

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Feb 9, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

To bad you didn't get his name or team.

Would like to scout him. I have been scouting a few Wrs for post draft pik-ups. This 1 kid, Tindrel, is the fastest kid in college. A track athlete who could go to the Olympics. I hope the team signs a dozen undrafted free agents. There is a place for slower receivers, but they should be fairly tall, bigger bodies to shield defenders to make a reception.
4.8 is painfully slow for a receiver though, so great hands, great routes may not be enough.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 9, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

it might have been 4.6

if you want to find out his name, and you can be bothered looking, go to the Dan Patrick radio site (linked through SI) and look at shows, or do a keyword search back in November (pretty sure thats when it was) I am almost certain that Tony Dungy was on the same show if that helps

The kid was confident too, when Patrick said that (whatever time it was) wasnt going to get it done, he just said, “look i’ve been training, i’ll get it down to the time they need” just in this matter of fact, yeah it’ll happen manner.

MAybe google “College Receiver catches 29 passes in a game or something”

I will try and look it up also, cos it is irritating me now that I cant remember his name

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Feb 9, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

FOUND HIM

His Name is Freddie Barnes, he played for Bowling Green

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Feb 9, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Freddie Barnes's 40 yard time is 4.65.

Overall projected pick:164 position ranking: 22, Freddie Barnes, WR, Bowling Green, height 6-0, weight 212, round 5 stock: up, Forty yard dash time 4.65.

At this point he is not going to be a UDFA. Here is the link if you want to follow him – http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2010_WR

by Jefferson1935 on Feb 10, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Barnes did not get a combine invite.

That’s not good for him as the top 300 recruits get invited. Each team does it’s own scouting throughout the year, and they identify the recruits that they want to see in the combine workouts. The league then narrows it down to the top 300.
Very unlikely that Barnes gets drafted as there are 40 receivers going.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 10, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I found him....

Not rated in the top 30 on my boards.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 10, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

An example of a Hall of Fame receiver:

Raymond Berry – http://www.nfl.com/players/raymondberry/profile?id=BER604040 – who was not particularly fast but was an excellent route runner. Since his day the defensive backs are much faster and among the fastest on the teams.

by Jefferson1935 on Feb 10, 2010 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Good draft

I think you have a good draft, however I disagree with the 2nd and 7th pick. I feel we need more help on the O-line and at WR and CB spots. We need to get rid of Portis maybe in a trade and pick up another draft pick.

by THE BONE on Feb 12, 2010 7:39 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it.

I understand the McCluster pick is subject to scrutiny, but I feel he could be a playmaker like Hester in the return game and a Sproles type back who can also play in the slot.
The kicker Pettrey is another questionable pick, I went with the best kicker coming out, and Washington hasn’t had a consistant kicker in so long.
The team does need a feature running back and secondary help this year, I agree.

by johnnydee83 on Feb 12, 2010 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

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