How Soon We Forget...
by J.Cash on Feb 4, 2010 10:48 AM EST
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It dawned on me this morning (actually, I thought about this a long time ago, I just never shared. I know...selfish, right?), with all the speculation in Washington about if Shanahan will select a QB with the #4 pick, that most of us have forgotten to examine what he was working with in Denver.
Most people think of one Hall of Fame QB when it comes to Shanahan's tenure, and then the eventual "rookie sensation" that he left the Child Coach to inherit. But how soon we forget about Jake Plummer. Now, that's not a name that jumps out at you. Not even a name that most would want associated with the word "quarterback" (or Core-ta-back, if you're Vince Young). But look at what was accomplished WITH Jake Plummer at the helm:
2003 - Signed as a Free Agent, replaced Brian Griese. 91.2 QB Rating Lead the team to a Wild Card Berth (blown out by the Colts)
2004 - Broke John Elway's single season record for passing yards and passing touchdowns. Downside, also had 20 INT's. Lead team to second consecutive Wild Card Berth (and again, got it handed to them by the Colts)
2005 - Recorded 229 passes without an interception. 13-3 record (#2 Seed in the AFC). First team to beat the PATS in past 11 postseasons. Lost the AFC Championship to the eventual champion Steelers.
2006 - Replaced by Jay Cutler as the starter after leading the team to a 7-4 record.
Now, I don't know about you, but I'd much rather Jason Campbell over Jake Plummer ANYDAY. Just goes to show you what can be accomplished with a not so heralded QB under Mike Shanahan's team. Now grant it, he won two Super Bowl's WITH John Elway (more credit should have gone to Davis for that, but hey, I'm just a guy...), but that team was still very much successful with an inconsistent, fly-by-night QB, who was surrounded by an offensive line and a running game.
So when Mike Shanahan says (regarding Campbell) " I like him" and he "thinks he can win with Jason Campbell", I tend to beleive he won't reach for a QB at #4 this year (maybe not even with next year's first round pick), and he'll stick with Campbell.
Hopefully, this is the last time I talk about this, because frankly, I'm getting tired. *Yawn*
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Hopefully, this is the last time I talk about this, because frankly, I’m getting tired.
If it was only that easy. If the Skins want to add value to their #4 pick, they need to show desire (fake or real) that they would take any player.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
but do you really want a quarterback with the 4th pick
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's saying he wants a QB
he’s saying that whatever we do, we should make waves in the media that we really want Claussen/Berry/Bradford/Whoever, so that people below us that really want them will be a lot more inclined to make a trade.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
it would make last offseason's
Colt Brennan Bonanza seem like heaven.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
speaking of
where ARE all of the Brennanites that so littered this site? I haven’t heard a peep from those guys since midway through the season.
anybody ever tell you
that you speak evil into existence CJ?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
How will we be able to do without them?
I just have this empty feeling…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
ok, well that makes sense then, cuz a lot of the teams in the top 10 need a qb
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
we will not take a QB at 4,will trade down and pick up more draft picks,take QB in 2nd round
McCoy or Tebow
by CHAOS-BRINGER on Feb 4, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
no tebow
i never want to see him in a redskins, then i know snyder is off in crazy land
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Chaos
YOU are nutz…. Tebow would be the same as Daniel was. They cannot take direct snaps… Did you see him at practice for the Senior bowl.. Hot garbage. When you run the wildcat for three years you lose basic QB funtions. Not being able to take a direct snap is horrible… Waste of a pick… He will be a 3 year washout..
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
Tebow scares me
Snyder loves bible beaters(Zorn, Gibbs).
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
plus if Tebow comes to Washington
he’ll be spending more time With the Moral Majority and Chrisitian Right up on Capitol Hill than he will on the practice field
Pommylee
Pommy
You continue to amaze me with your insight into things American.
Don’t forget we will be subject to before game-after game-during game prayer huddles and who knows what other insufferable interjections of one’s private beliefs in every public forum.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
such things are easily ignored
I’ve never been “subjected” to an athlete’s private beliefs yet, not when playing in sports nor even from a coach. We never had prayers before, during or after games. Is this a southern thing or what?
Is Tebow really annoying about his religion? If so I haven’t seen it but then sports are merely a form of entertainment for me, not something my life revolves around.
I respect someone like Tebow more for not hiding his beliefs and applaud him for actually having some as so many people just avoid the subject altogether. And that is regardless of what his beliefs are, so long as those beliefs don’t involve harming others (like many radicals these days). I won’t agree to share beliefs with a tree worshipping druid (if there is such a thing, idk, it’s just a crazy example) but I’l respect him more for having some kind of belief as opposed to the masses who just avoid the subject. On the flip side I never try to ram my own personal beliefs down someone else’s throat and I think anyone should be able to tell someone to go away if someone is being annoying. I can think of a few professors I’ve had that I would have liked to use that on.
I do find it amusing
when opposing teams pray for victory and somehow feel incumbent on forcing God to choose…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
whoever said we should take tebow
is legit crazy. that would be terrible. we don’t need a QB. JC is a good QB and shanny will make him great, AS LONG AS we put him behind a good OL that will give him a decent running game. i swear the only guy we can take other than okung without me punching 10 people in the face repeatedly would be eric berry, just because FS is the biggest need we have other than OL and we have 4 SS on the roster, and he is hailed as Ed Reed 2.0, and you don’t pass up someone like that.
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 17, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Can you imagine...
Eric Berry putting a hit on DeSean Jackson???….
I’d looooovvveeeee to see that.
yea its a much better alternative
than landry the FS (oxymoron) blowing coverage to take a run at some WR and either bounce off him with his shoulder or miss completely. landry is a sick nasty SS, but a terrible FS. i definetly wouldn’t mind drafting eric berry at all. god damnit if only our OL wasn’t so horrendous…
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 17, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
good points
Something I;ve thought about as well and I guess I assumed everyone was aware that Shanahan did very well despite Plummer / Cutler and their serious limitations.
It's scary when you think that
Jake was successful. Just seems like those two words “Jake” and “successful” shouldn’t be put in the same sentence.
But, numbers don’t lie. I guess…
well it's not as if the 'Skins couldn't use the talent
We have issues at CB, all along the OL, our trio of young receivers haven’t exactly set the world on fire, neither has JC which would validate the QB talk, with all of the issues we had giving up the big play, the S position wouldn’t seem sacrosanct either.
You could make a legit basis for us to go after:
CB – haden
WR – the kid from Okla ST.
OL – pick one
QB – name one
S – Berry
LB – but no one is in the conversation here at this point in the draft
The only guys you could say that would be a stretch to believe would be the DL guys, but you could even make a case for Corny Griffin getting old and we need someone to complement Big Al because to win, you have to be able to stop the run and press the QB.
I would say, let the speculation run wild, it allows the FA more options to be creative.
I say this knowing full what what I would PREFER, but I’m not the HC nor am I the GM. So I’ve stopped worrying about what I can’t control and hope that the guys in charge do the best thing possible for the franschise and add as much quality starting caliber talent as they can.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
The Alabama linebacker - Roland McClain
was mentioned in another thread. The Redskins will need another inside linebacker whether there is a 3/4 or 4/3 defense – http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?page=profile&id=25721&draftyear=2010&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfldraft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fpage%3dprofile%26id%3d25721%26draftyear%3d2010 “LB – but no one is in the conversation here at this point in the draft.”
This route should be taken if the Skins manage to trade the 4th pick for a later 1st round pick and get an additional 2nd round pick.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 4, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
No WR
thats fricking crazy. Are you really Matt Millen Piratedan?
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I would have no issue
at all with trading down and going OL, OLB with the first two picks. Have said so on numerous threads, the key is being open to what develops and not getting locked in on one guy and leaving yourself hanging when opportunity presents itself.
I’m just not sold on the two QB’s that are rated the highest in this draft, if someone else is, that’s fine we can have a difference of opinion but what matters most is what Shanahan and Allen think and how they play their cards to rebuild the franchise. I want them to succeed, plain and simple and expectations are raised because of their history rather than in spite of it, based on who has run things in the organization the last few years.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
PirateDan,
you didn’t mention RB. Are you a Clinton Portis advocate?
all the tea leaves thus far
appear to indicate that Clinton has already begun the fence mending pocess with the new staff and supposedly has marching orders to get in shape and get his fanny to camp. Whether or not he does so, is up to CP obviously but I am guessing that with what little “talent” we have, is that Shanahan is going to use what tools are available while they are available. The guy is under contract and if/when healthy can probably still be a factor in the offense. In hindsight, it sure appears that he was less than in JZ’s corner and offered up the old “passive resistance” ploy to spare himself the work that is necessary to compete in this league. Could we use an ‘exciting potentially explosive RB", well yeah, but servicable ones can be found just about anywhere, even UDFA and if CP is on board and with Betts recovering, I don’t see this as much of a need, do you?
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
My biggest concern with Portis
is his relationship with Snyder, the obvious fact that he’s lazy (bad habits die hard), and his recent Terrell Owens-like blasting of Jason Campbell. I just feel like at what point does not practicing hard equate to not playing hard and pushing for that extra yard during the game??? Playing at your fastest speed comes from constantly running. And if you’re not practicing, you can’t POSSIBLY keep your speed up. So, Clinton Portis is earning his nickname Clinton “Tortus” and hasn’t shown he’s reliable this year (emphasis on “this”). Unless he’s ready to play backup to a back that’s more willing, he’s just holding a roster space.
no arguements there
it’s just that there is a new sheriff in town, he’s played under Shanahan before and has to know what kind of coach he is and what he will and will not tolerate. With everything that went on with Zorn and his hiring and the position that management put him in (and that he allowed to have happen to him) I can see where CP took advantage of the situation. Was that immature, most definately, but I will say that while Gibbs was the guy, CP played hard and ran hard for him.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Oh, definately
And if he can return to that form, I’ll smile harder than OJ after being aquitted. I know CP had to be somewhat nervous when he knew Shanny was coming to town. He shipped him out of Denver when he was 23 and coming off of two back-to-back 1500 yard seasons. Imagine what he’d do now. If he’s not in the gym, working hard in practice, hell, working hard watching FILM, his ass is outta here.
Does CP know something that we don't
regarding JC’s future? I suspect CP has been told to bend over backwards to mend fences with Jason or been given hints as to who they will draft to replace him.
Or am I just being too Oliver Stonish about this?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Kinda seems like
he’s lobbying for his job by deflecting attention off of himself. Sorta like when you did something wrong and you point out to your dad what your brother did to lessen the punishment.
he's holding a roster spot and a large sum of cash
which is why I don’t see him being worth what he’s getting paid – he’d have to go back to performing as he did when he first arrived here to be worth his paycheck.
I think he will either have Portis looking great or cut him
either way it will be good.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 6, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
A $6M example for the rest of the team to ponder
when Shanny cuts him loose.
By the way, it would be nice for the locker room to man up to CP about his loose lips and get his head straight. And I mean that in a non-sausage seeking kinda way….if you know what I mean.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Thank Goodness Daniel is not in control
Build a team: A REDSKIN FOOTBALL TEAM as defined by Shanahan and Allen
Great post dude
My biggest concern with Shanahan has been that I felt Elway was responsible for his success, but you have just debunked that,
I feel a lot better now whatever way we go draft day.
Plus this leads me to even more strongly beleive that if we cant trade the 4th pick, and Shanahan doesnt see a Tackle he really likes to pick at 4 that he will trade Campbell for picks and draft Bradford, cos in his mind he can make any QB a good player, and what he really needs is picks to re-build the line, secondary, LB’s etc
Pommylee
Take away any good coaches years with their best QB and they look horrible
If we judged belicheat by his non Brady years and you’d wonder why that guy was in the league.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 6:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually
Do your research on Belicheck and you’d see he was “successful” well before New England. Afterall, no one knows Brady’s name if Drew Bledsoe didn’t get injured. AND, prior to that glory year of Brady, Bledsoe was the QB that lead them to the Super Bowl that they got crapped on by Green Bay (Brett Favre’s only championship).
Oh man
You tell me to do my research and then spout some nonsense that is completely wrong. Do you even watch football? Bledsoe went to the SB when Parcells was coaching. Then Pete Carrol had a couple seasons, then Belichick took over winning the SB his second year when Brady took over for Bledsoe. If you follow football even casually you should know most of that. BB had 6 seasons as a HC without Brady as his QB, 5 with the Cleveland Browns and 1 with the Pats. He went 41-55 in those 6 years going to the playoffs once and winning 1 game. Thats a winning percentage of 42%. My original point was, and still is, any good coach his gonna have a mediocre record when you remove the years he had his best QB. Unless your Joe Gibbs of course.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 6, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Oh please...
First off, don’t insult me by asking if I know football. Second, like I said earlier, Do Your Research!!! Keeping with the title of this blog, how soon we forget…
Where there was Bill in New York, there was BILL IN NEW YORK!!! He was the defensive coordinator for the Giants the year they beat the Bills in the Super Bowl. Then, when Bill Parcells was in New England, guess where Bill Belichick was??? That’s right! NEW ENGLAND!!! He was the Assistant HC and DB coach the year they went to the Super Bowl with, as I said before, Drew Bledsoe. Again, don’t insult me. So, was he successful before Brady? I’d say that qualifies. If we could ask Bill Parcells himself, he would give great credit to Bill Belichick.
Open mouth. Insert foot.
Checkmate. I win. Thank you for playing.
You should just man up and admit you were wrong
You clearly stated “, prior to that glory year of Brady, Bledsoe was the QB that lead them to the Super Bowl that they got crapped on by Green Bay (Brett Favre’s only championship).”. Do you deny that? Bledsoe went to the Super Bowl in 1996. Brady went to the Super Bowl in 2001. If you were to be believed then Bledsoe went to the Super Bowl in 2000. You were off by 4 whole years.
Pommylee said “My biggest concern with Shanahan has been that I felt Elway was responsible for his success, but you have just debunked that,” clearly talking about as a HC. To which I pointed out “Take away any good coaches years with their best QB and they look horrible If we judged belicheat by his non Brady years and you’d wonder why that guy was in the league.” My point was pretty clear that any HC’s record is gonna look mediocre if you cherry pick the years he had a great QB from him. Bill Belichick is a good example of this because he is a really good coach yet his non Brady seasons he had a losing record. You are correct that BB was a succesful assistant. But when did I say otherwise? We were clearly talking about record as a HC. You clearly stated Drew Bledsoe took them to the SB in 2000. Rather than acknowledge that you went on a whole tangent to deflect it and only strengthened my original point. Shanny was also every bit the Rockstar Assistant BB was. Shanny was an incredible playcaller every where he went including winning the SB with the Niners as the playcaller. That didn’t have to be mentioned because Pommy was referring to the tired old chestnut that “Shanny was a mediocre HC without Elway”. I didn’t have to point out Shanny was succesful as an Assistant because every HC was succesful assistant. No one is hiring HC’s from the Lions. It’s no big deal if your wrong sometimes. It’s also fine to be rude and tell someone to do some research. I will say something though if you tell someone to do research and then put out a blatantly wrong fact. Maybe you just mistyped but you were clearly wrong about Bledsoe taking the Pats to the SB the year before Brady. Your point about BB’s record as an assistant was never disputed and had nothing to do with what was being discussed. Stay classy.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 6, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
The FIRST thing I said was...
Do your research on Belicheck and you’d see he was "successful" well before New England
Which makes everything that I said about his years in New York pretty darn accurate. He was a defensive coordinator for six years and his defense never ranked any lower than 11th. That spells success, WELL BEFORE NEW ENGLAND. I’m not wrong at all. You’re the one who equated everything that I was speaking of to his years in New England and as a head coach, and that’s not what I was talking about. Afterall, every head coach starts somewhere. In fact, in can be argued that the year the Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2000, that Marvin Lewis defense was the reason. Which in turn, landed Lewis in Washington, and THEN in Cincinnati. Has he won the “big one” with the Bengals? Nope. Does he have a “Good QB” like you mentioned? Yup. Has what he done in Cincinnati meant that he hasn’t been successful? NO!
So defensive Coordinator’s who are successful SOMEWHERE count. Look how many head coaches came outta Green Bay, and if proves MY POINT that success at any level of coaching can land you somewhere else, DESPITE the QB.
Now I can tell that you’re one of those “QB means everything” guys, so there’s no real arguing what you can’t comprehend. I was right, and you know it. Bill Belichick didn’t fall outta the sky, and regardless of what you think, Brady is not the sole reason for why that machine works. When he went down, did they not win with Cassel??? But I guess he gets no credit for that either, huh?
Again, checkmate.
Classic
Take one word and run with it without reading. Amazing…“Assistant Head Coach”…How about Defensive Coordinator for six years? LB Coach in New York who was responsible for Lawrence Taylor’s success. People on that team AND New England owe that guy their career, and all you can talk is Brady. Shaking my head….
And LASTLY...
I only mentioned Brady because you jock strap riders swear he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread and don’t think that New England’s success started BEFORE him. Bledsoe is EVIDENCE that that’s not the case. Give me a break dude.
Next time, just ask me what I meant and my intentions before you jump the gun. Scroll up and you’ll see what I’m talking about with me and PirateDan. I wasn’t clear on where he stood with Portis, so I asked him. Turns out, we agreed on a number of points. No harm, no foul. No disrespect intended.
Did you or did you not say ", prior to that glory year of Brady, Bledsoe was the QB that lead them to the Super Bowl that they got crapped on by Green Bay (Brett Favre’s only championship)."
It’s pretty simple. I ask you did you say that and is it true? Do you have the class to answer that or do you want to continue making strong man arguments? You seem to keep on running from your own words. If you mistyped thats cool but you clearly said that Bledsoe went to the SB the year before Brady did which is not true. It’s pretty simple. Pommy said he had been buying into the “Only reason Shanny succeded was because of Elway” line of thought. I pointed out that was a pretty horrible way to look at things because if you cherry pick any good coaches record like that they look bad. As a perfect example I used Belichick. His years without Brady he has a losing record. Does that mean he’s a bad coach? F… No!!! But if judging a HC by his removing his years with his best QB is your criteria was true, then BB would not be considered a good coach. Since he clearly is, using that criteria is false.
Look if you mistyped then fine but you pretty clearly told me to do my research and then immediately said something that was blatantly wrong so I said something. You keep on making these straw man arguments as if I said BB was a bad coach when I said the opposite. You could also make completely compelling arguments that the Sun rises in the East but that would also have nothing to do with what Pommy said and I responded too.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 10, 2010 4:04 AM EST up reply actions
Again...
You don’t get it or you’re so strung on being “right” that you’re making a fool of yourself. I clearly stated, for you Brady jock riders, that New England was successful before him. He didn’t come along and they all of a sudden were good. Bill Belichick was the a part of that system.
And frankly, when Brady went down, they STILL went 11-5. Where’ your “argument” on that???
You make no sense, and I hope you get THAT point.
But it’s all love. You’ll get it next time.
Dude you keep on making points that have nothing to do with the topic at hand
And you still refuse to address what you wrote. Why do you keep on responding with off topic points while not having the balls to ackowledge what you wrote? Shameful really. You made a completely off-topic point, made me seem ever more right, tell me to do research while the same time making a very basic mistake. I was responding to Pommy’s statement about Shanny’s Head Coaching record. The only was you can really be disagreeing with me is if you feel Brady is soley responsible for Belichick’s success as a coach? IS that what your trying to say? Cuz otherwise your just yelling shit in a corner like your name was Stephen A. I pointed out that if you use the same evaluation methods that Shanny’s detractors did then BB seems like a bad HC. I don’t think he is and I think to remove a HC’s years under his best QB and then analyze his record isn’t a great way to evaluate HC’s. I have consistenly made the same point. It’s kinda of shameful that I keep on asking you to confirm or deny a direct quote? You won’t even acknowledge it and then offer an argument that has nothing to do with what I said. BB has a losing HC record in his years without Brady. Thats a fact. It doesn’t mean mean that Brady is responsible for his success. If you dispute that though go ahead and explain to me how BB is a mediocre HC. Otherwise your not disputing any point I made your just making straw man arguments. The fact that he went 11-5 with Cassel only strengthens my argument as Shanny has put together an 11-5 season, 2 10-6 seasons and a 13-3 season without Elway. But apparently to some people " Elway was responsible for his success" I dispute that and used BB as an example. I clearly said I believe BB is a good HC sveral times but you continue to misrepresent me. Just man up dude admit you weren’t trying to say Bledsoe took the Pats to the SB the year before and that you agree with me that BB is a good coach. The straw man arguments are getting old.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 10, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Bay, listen
No one cares to argue with you. And regarding the “topic”, I wrote the FREAKIN ARTICLE!!! The point behind it was that Shanahan ws successful even AFTER Elway, with three playoff appearances. THAT makes him a successful coach IN SPITE of. Now if that’s what you’re arguing, then we’re on the same page, regardless of how long it took to get there. But I NEVER implied that the year BEFORE Brady won the Super Bowl, that Bledsoe took them there. I said “before THAT glory year of Brady”. That makes what I said accurate, as it wasn’t depicting a specific year. If you want to define that as a “typo”, go right ahead. But to “assume” is to make an “ass” out of yourself.
All of this back-and-forth thought, in your own words, I “was trying to say” instead of asking me.
“Man up” to that.
I agree with BayAreaBullet
I am not saying J.Cash is wrong, but just the way J.Cash worded his post implied that Belichick had success as coach of the Patriots by leading them to the Super Bowl in 1996.
That’s obviously not what J.Cash meant, but that is definitely how it came across.
by John Park Williams on Feb 11, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
You miss the most obvious example
Take away any good coaches years with their best QB and they look horrible
that contradicts your premise. Joe Gibbs – won with average QBs. Even won with scrubs during the strike year. Went to playoffs with Todd Collins. Need I say more?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Here's the one big difference between Plummer and Campbell........
Accuracy.
Argue it if you want, but those who saw both guys play know it’s true.
Throw enough balls out there
someone will catch one or two.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Plummer use to be a very highly regarded QB.
He was trapped with the lowly Cardinals for years, and never had a chance to be a winner. He put up very good numbers with the Cards, their defense was absolutely atrocious. Their coaching was equally as bad. He was past his prime in Denver, and he got labeled with a bad rap. He was a much better QB then people think.
Ahhhh....but
so was Campbell. Undefeated at Auburn. Snubbed for Heisman recognition. First round selection (Plummer was a second rounder). Plummer didn’t have the arm, wasn’t an “accurate” passer. Scrambled too much. And at points when he looked good, a play or two later, he looked terrible. Pound-for-pound, Campbell’s a better QB (concerning attributes). The point of it all, is that Shanahan doesn’t need a “superstar” QB ala Peyton Manning, Brett Farve-ish, type QB to be successful. So pushing the panic button on a so-called “future prospect” at QB right now is unnecessary.
good points...
Jason is still developing and seems to be getting better… with a good building blocks places around him this team could easily become a perennial playoff contender.
JJ Fe
Wasn't Plummer diagnosed
with diabetes that had not been treated for several years while he was playing?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I believe so
and I never meant to slam Plummer as I think he was a good, or even very good QB but he wasn’t a top tier / elite QB. To me he was like a mini Favre in that he had the same gun slinger approach to the game and that’s why they both have a history of INTs.
I meant cutler was the one with diabetes
by Nobetterthenbob on Feb 5, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I knew something was up
with one of them. Thanks.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I have no idea.
I do know that he’s 35 and still “unofficially retired”. Could the ghost of snake past be coming to Washington???…
SIKE! I’m messin with you. (Though if Vinny were around…)
Who knows....?
Maybe….He can still do it all!!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
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