Santana Moss who? WWWD.. What Would Welker Do ?
by LETJASONPASS on Feb 3, 2010 2:56 PM EST
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PrintI know some of you might think this is out of line, being critical of a guy that has done alot for the skins.(I don't think so myself) In my not so humble opinion, Santana can be easily replaced at this point in his career. Can we all admit that his skills/ speed or on the decline? (getting ran down by a linebacker is bad) Can we ever trade a player when they have more value then a VCR? Why is it that we can not do the suckering sometimes, instead of being the sucker. One of the keys to making good trade is getting rid of a guy when he has value, but it is getting ready to fall off. (See Santana Moss)
Ok, now to the point of my title. It was pretty clear when Devin Thomas was healthy, he is now our number one receiver. If this is the case where do we play Santana Moss, in the slot? (I think not) If you look at Santana in traffic you will understand why. How many times have we seen him fall down, before or after trying to make a catch? Why does he spend so much time trying to make himself small when he runs routes out of the slot.(falling down before the ball gets to him) WWWD What Would Welker Do in the slot/ traffic ? Wes Welker will stop and adjust on the ball and try to make the Db miss the tackle. (normally he does)
I am posting a play involving Santana Moss that I think proves my point, some might think otherwise.
Please watch the video and tell me what you guys think.
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put him in the slot
and get rid of randle el who i understand is good in the clutch play but the failed punt returns really hurt him in my opinion. but if you put kelly and thomas or thomas and mitchell and put santana in the slot that is a very lethal trio.
by Skins4ever on Feb 3, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions
I said other
If we trade Moss then we would need a reciever in his place. We would also lose speed on offense. I would only trade Moss for a draft pick if there was a player in the draft who Shanahan felt could be the next star reciever.
trade moss
Moss has been one of my favorite players over the years, but Moss is getting old and has lost a few steps. I think we should trade him for a low draft pick and try to bring in some more depth in other positions with that pick.
Then bring him back and put him in the Ring of Honor
just for what he has done for us against the Cowboys.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
14-13
I still remember that game we were down 13-0 and he scored two big TD’s to win the game against Dallas. Man I hate them cowgirls.
by skinsnyankees on Feb 3, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I sleep well
knowing that there are Cowgirl fans who still barf in the laps of their prom dresses at the mere mention of that game. That and the ST21 fumble recovery and facemask penalty for the Novak FG to win in the last seconds.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
OK, barring a SuperBowl win
I will take a 2 TD final minutes to beat the ’Girls anytime. Not to mention prom girls barfing in their laps!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Nothing
a fireman’s carry and a few wet wipes couldn’t handle.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
sounds like experience talking
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I voted "Other"
In that he can be used other than a starter- that is a back up and (hopefully this is a good idea) mentor to the other receivers. If he can’t handle that and be a pro and a team mate, then trade him if we can get anything for him.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Well
LJP, as my Febuary resolution, I am trying to make an effort to completely listen to your points, and I fully see your point, but I think he has been used wrong. Moss is not the same lightning fast man that he used to be, but he was never a short route guy, and should never be used like that. He needs to stay where he is, beside Devin Thomas, and be used as a pure deep threat. Maybe we move him to 3rd receiver, I don’t care, but he needs to play a role like DeSean Jackson does for the Eagles. Jackson is NOBODY over the middle or on short routes, he is a tiny guy who is easy to crack, but the guy is electric. And I think Moss’ battery is dying, but he’s got enough juice for a few more good years until we groom Kelly to be a more balanced receiver (the guy has great hands, but is slow as hell) and turn Marko Mitchell into a decent player (I’m sorry, late round pick and all, a 6’4" fast guy is a chilling thought). My point: Start Moss and Thomas, Thomas as the balanced threat, Moss as the deep. Kelly be the 3rd receiver and make plays on 3rd downs. Use Randle El in a very limited receiver role (I hate to cut the guy’s pay any more, but I think you offer him to stretch his contract another couple years) but you do keep him, because he has been a great 2nd receiver and is still extremely versitile. Begin breaking in Mitchell and I think our receiving corps are SET (ESPECIALLY with Cooley and Davis, who I believe both are pro-bowl caliber, and if we use a lot of 2TE sets, we really could have 2 Pro Bowl TEs)
by BigOLinemen on Feb 3, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with everything you said
but don’t see the need to hold onto ARE. There may be a temptation to play him.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
A thinking man
Very well thought out, Very well said
Excellent points which are positive and can be and should be accomplished by the Redskins!
Excellent
Randel el
I think Randel el is definately someone we need to get rid of. We have enough receivers that we don’t need him around anymore. He isn’t even good at returning punts. I’ve seen too many times he catches a punt tries to make a move and gets tackled for 2 yrd gain.
Don't see the point in trading him right now
Devin Thomas has proven that he can be a #1 receiver, not that he is. Kelly still hasn’t proven that he can be #2. We know that Moss might be losing a little edge but he’s still a good receiver.
I also think that his play has gone down because JC doesn’t have the time to target him deep, which is where most of his yards and TDs have come from in the past.
If we can't judge Campbell on this season I don't see how we can judge Moss..
Both need time for the play to develop in order to do what they’re good at… the long ball… Moss may have lost a few tenths of a second on his 40 time but he’s got experience and DT is going to start pulling some coverage to his side soon and then we’ll see if it still looks like Moss lost a step.
Your posts are a laughable - WWAJ do?(antagonizing title to insure high traffic) I think we can all agree that DT is no Andre Johnson (compare our players to another player who is among the best in the league at what they do often times you compare apples to oranges), watch this video of DT riding the pine earlier this year (support your arguements with cherry picked film clips), would Andre Johnson do this? No in fact he didn’t do that, instead he caught touch down passes (Shocker alert!!! The guy you’re comparing our player is GASP better than our player), This is why we should trade all of our draft picks for Joshua Cribbs!! (final result of your post is at best a long reach away from what your initial arguements stated) we can pay him next to nothing (factless claim) and he can play all positions on the field (another factless claim) check out this highlight reel I just jerked it to (we know you do) watched and you’ll agree Joshua Cribbs will guide us to the super bowl !! FIST PUMP !!
by skinsfan28 on Feb 3, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Trade Moss?
Now you’re going too far. Devin Thomas, a great talent, is not ready to be the #1 target in Washington. Maybe next year, but he hasn’t put up those type of numbers to say that. Moss has always needed to be in the slot, in my opinion. His biggest setback is his size, though, if I remember correctly, when we had Laverneus Coles, he didn’t do much and was a bigger target.
But you keep Moss and build up the people around him. Randel el needs to go though. He wasn’t even that great of a reciever in Pittsburgh during his peak years. Just an exceptional Special Team Player. Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Cooley, and Marshall (if you could get him…salivating).
Besides...
Welker just went down from an ACL injury. He won’t be up to speed for at least six months. Then there’s the mental hurdle you have to get over. We’ll be saying the same thing about him “losing a step” next season.
Greatest Slot Reciever
Chris Cooley: From his own mouth over at TORB
“No,” Cooley said, “the cool thing is we’ve developed a new tight end to do that. His name’s Fred Davis. Pass protection extraordinaire. I’m thinking about losing about 25 pounds and saying, ‘Guess what: slot receiver. No more blocking.’”
Welker... HAHAHAHAHAHA
He is just the buy product of a scared QB. He is good I will give him that. He can catch most of what is thrown his way. BUT, Brady is scared of the rush. It terrorfies him. Brady memorizes two parts to every play. The number one WR and then Welker’s possition at any given time. If Moss were in the slot he would be a monster. But, he wants to have to big game winning catch and be the hero.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
Q the organ music
flash to hideous face with flashlight pointing up from beneath chin.
OK, I’m ready. Now say it again….
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Trade Moss while we can still get something for him.
It time to move on from ARE and Moss. There were not players we drafted. Lets develop our own receiving talent, and then have other teams talking about ways they can get their hands on our guys, not the other way around.
Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell, Cooley and Davis were all drafted Redskins. In the new decade, this has got to mean something.
Lets dump the aging vets we got from other teams, and start building our own legacy with drafted talent.
Bye, bye Portis, ARE, Moss, R Thomas, C Griffin. We’ll keep the guys that can still play at a high level, but these guys we can afford to dump now.
Moss is due $6.75M, and is in the final year of his contract.
I can see cutting ARE because of his contract 3yr/16M. I would trade Moss for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, which I don’t think anyone would give. His skills are diminishing and he is expensive. If unable to trade him, then he plays out his contract and is gone next year.
There are quality UFAs out there to replace him if need be.
Wait wait wait
LJP wants us to be the suckers now some others around here might be okay with that but I’m not
by washfan29 on Feb 3, 2010 11:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
dumb post
moss is a legitimte receiver still and our only game changer on offense that we know of so far. As everyone likes to point out our offensive struggles on the line or our receivers, I’m a firm believer that our offensive struggles comes more from QB play. And then you wanna compare welker (you welker, cribbs fanatic) to Moss. If Moss played for the pats he would have 1000 yards easy
by mr.snyderhireme on Feb 3, 2010 11:22 PM EST reply actions
I disagree
Gamechangers are players that change the game in favor of there team regardless of players around them and moss is def. Not that Type of player anymore
by washfan29 on Feb 3, 2010 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And for the MOST part
never was. He could change a game, but he could never be counted on due to some serious head game things. Other teams know, if you bang him around he will get frustrated. Why do you think the G-Men provoked a fight out of him in the first quarter of the first game last season?
They knew he had the potential to be a game changer, but they had a game plan to defeat it.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Remember the Green Bay game
a couple of years ago. He fumbled and batted balls around all game.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Exactly
I wanted him to be traded after last season after all he did was get hurt, perform well, then disapear. Thankfully I wasn’t registered here last year so you guys didn’t have to hear me bitch and moane about it :)
by washfan29 on Feb 3, 2010 11:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agree
Moss is slipping, if they could get a good pick for him, then now is the time.
If no good pick, keep him for 1 more season.
stats? I remember him sitting on the bench when he wasn't injured
or getting targeted 2-4 times a game, he came on late in the season and I think he will be good but this is a rediculous statement
skins, Watch this video and tell me if Santana can do this ??
by LETJASONPASS on Feb 4, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Skins, are you crazy Moss would have been slung to the ground. How many times have we watched Moss being slung to the ground after making a catch ? He does not have the speed to out run people like he did. He never had the strength to break tackles.
Maybe you did not notice how Devin shook off the hand of the Db.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
First off you cannot compare the two. Thomas was getting more catches toward the end for a couple of reasons.
Thomas was unproven and basically given a pass by the other team’s Defense. Moss will always be covered by the better faster DB and pull a safety in coverage if not both.
I will agree that Thomas has shown some talent but most of the catches he made were simple one man under cover. Moss makes catches under tough coverage. He has in no way looked old or defeated…
Trade what doesnt work or you dont need. Dont trade some of the few things that has always worked.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
Check the stats again
He only had one game when he got more yards in the game than Santana But Santana still had more yards per carry. Gotta check your stats LJP before you get too bold on your comments. You know im gonna check em.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
milc, What are you talking about stats? Maybe you did not notice, how many times Devin was targeted the last couple of games prior to his injury?
Most of the “Moss only routes” Devin was running prior to his injury. What are you talking about ?
yeah as a matter of fact I do.
Look at the numbers. They tell the tale about who did better in each of those games. Only Moss did it with the better DB chasing him. When was he running Moss’ routes? Tell me which games where Thomas did better than Moss. The only game he had MORE receptions than Moss was the New Oleans game. Hell Moss almost had 200 yards in the Lions game. Thomas never broke 100 in any game. How can you tell me he was playing better than Moss. When the proof is there in the stats.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
no need
I have watched every game Moss has played with the Skins. So, therefor I have also see every game Thomas has played. I know how is better and more dependable.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
receivers can't be game changers without a QB
For you to say that a game changer can turn things around whenever and it doesnt matter whose around him i think shouldnt be the same case for moss. As a receiver, you are dependent on your QB and there weremany plays where plays moss had a couple steps on his man and Campbell missed him. And that’s also a problem, most receivers in this league loose motivation, concentration, and confidence when that happens too often. Its a big difference when you’re running your route knowing the balls have a high chance of coming your way and running routes hoplessly. Moss still has talent and heart, we just need the system and QB to make sure he’s involved. When that happens he’ll produce
by mr.snyderhireme on Feb 3, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions
I tend to remember a couple of times JC hit moss and he just dropped it though too. and when you say it depends on the QB, yes it does but not greatly. A player that can go long and catch it, I wouldn’t consider a GC’er. Now a player that can run a five yard route, catch it, then turn and burn (with a couple broken ankles caused) for a TD, I would consider a GC’er. If some of you might remember the REAL Steve Smith for CAR he was a GC’er when he was a bit younger, and he’s still pretty good with Moore/Delhomme as his QB
by washfan29 on Feb 4, 2010 1:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
wash, great post that is my point exactly. Game changers get the ball make people miss, and can take it to the house at anytime.
Santana is not strong or fast enough to take a short slant or screen for a TD.
Right now, D Thomas is the only offensive guy we have that has the ability to do that.
Maybe throw Anthony Aldrige in that mix too, but since we’ve never seen him play in a Redskins uniform, thats just pure speculation. I do agree with LJP that we need mre guys on the roster like this; I’m just not sure where and when to get them.
Mr, game changers break tackles or make people miss. Santana is a "one trick pony" he is only good for one route (the double move).
If the Db does not bite on the move he is useless.
by LETJASONPASS on Feb 4, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
ONE TRICK?!?!?!?!
1.double move
2. fast breaking spead
Just how many moves can you think of that require only one motion. (slant, hitch, maybe the hitch and go) Fact is just about every WR motion requiers " MULTIPLE MOVES" two or what ever you like to call it is the one that allows you to make deceiving moves while keeping speed. He is our fastest WR with the best hands.
reguardless of him catching or even getting the ball thrown to him. He is the threat that is gonna draw the best the Defense has to offer. Which frees up Thomas, Kelly, Cooley or Davis. Thats Why you keep him. Because is the Defense lets him go it will be 6 on the scoreboard.
If he makes 3 moves the QB is getting sacked before he is open.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
milc he does not have seperation speed anymore. If the Db does not fall for the double move he is covered.
Santana no longer has the burst off of the line so he is easily jammed. That is why he has to go in motion in order to try to get free off the line. How many times have we watched Santana catch a quick slant and get dumped or slung? He is not outrunning anybody nor is he breaking any arm tackles. Look at the top receivers they can catch a quick slant and turn it into a big play. Can Santana do this but once in a blue moon? You guys are funny. no hillarious …..
RIIIIGHT
Kelly has proven nothing except that he is a bust.
You are crazy to think he does not have the break away speed. He still gets away from DBs. How many plays that call for him to streak did Campbell actually have time to thrown it. OH thats right “Once in a Blue Moon”. Most of those times the pass was too long, too short, or just off the mark.
Look at the stats and tell me what you see in the long categories… Look at how many games Moss had 20+ Long receptions… out of 16 games he only had 2 that he didnt have a 20+ yard reception. Hummmm think you need separation to get those.
Thomas has a couple single digit games in there.
Now lets look at first downs….hummmmmm Thomas only had 16 1st downs where as Moss had a tiny little 41 first downs this season. Wow now thats what I call CLUTCH!!!!!
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
you hit it right on the head
“You are crazy” ’nough said.
I agree to an extent
Receivers definitely can be a game changer without a stub QB. With the example that you gave then of course a WR can’t be a game changer because the ball isn’t in his hand. Once the ball is in the receivers hand its all on them to make the change.
Let me get this straight...
You want to trade Moss who, right now, is our only veteran WR and starting #1 target, for draft picks, and allow Devin Thomas, a second year (because he was injured most of his first) WR to assume that leadership position???
I’m getting of this crazy train, not now, but right now.
You can't instigate a youth movement
without going young.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
J, Have you not noticed how Devin goes after the ball? How about how he runs after he catches it ? He runs like he is pizzed off after he catches the ball.
by LETJASONPASS on Feb 4, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying that Devin is not nice...
I’m just saying that he’s not #1 material yet. Size, great. Hands, good. Route running, still shaky at times. RAC, makes me smile cheese.
He gets extra yards cause the coverage is all over Moss when he streaks deep...
Moss is a threat which makes him a perfect decoy for Thomas to make plays… Like Hines Ward in last years SB. He could hardly run with his bad foot but he still drew extra coverage because of who he is.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
Funny
His YARDS AFTER CATCH are higher cause its an average of the ta ta ta two catches he makes a game. He only had two games when he got more than three receptions.
Your average gets hurt after you catch 5-10 catches a game.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
Yes
Because we have Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell, Cooley and Davis. Throw in AA and thats a pretty good young WR corps. If moss can gain us a valuable draft pick, then I’m all for it. Moss will prob be gone in two years anyways. It’s time to start working these young guys in the mix, and getting our 2nd round value from them.
The only person lacking in second round value right now
is Malcom Kelly. I just don’t think that getting rid of Moss right now is a wise move. Maybe on Madden 11, but not in real life.
That does not make any sense at all.
Why trade your best WR for a different position pick. Only to fill his place with Thomas (who I like) then replace Thomas with stone hands Kelly. Thomas is injury prone anyway. YOu fill your number one slot with a receiver that maybe out several games a season. NOT SMART
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
Wouldn't call him Stone Hands
when he’s NOT buried in the depth chart behind ARE, and he’s actually being targeted his hands are some of the most dependable on the team.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Its not just that...
IM sure the man has loads of talent. He just doesnt show it on the field. PLus ARE gets paid more so he plays more. I dont agree with that idea but whatever.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
I'm not sure why anyone would
agree with that idea, he hasn’t shown me anything that someone else can’t do. Especially on PR. But essentially, MK is still a year behind the others because of his injury his rookie year.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
This is the only video you've ever posted to support your claims against Moss.
And it’s ridiculous. It was a nice play by Samuel, a bad throw by Campbell, and a mediocre play by Moss. In no way should this work as “proof” that Santana is scared and doesn’t like to catch in the middle of the field.
With that said, I think Moss is versatile enough to work in the slot, but his strength is in his double move routes and stretching the field. Realistically, he should be moved around the field because he is our strongest playmaker (and defenses need to adjust to where he is).
using 1 play is lame
nobody’s career is summed up in 1 play. I bet there’s a play from Jerry Rice’s career where he didn’t look good. Once again your entire methodolgy is terrible.
Moss is still valuable
If we let Moss go….Cowboys will jump and Moss will come back to burn us. You guys are sick if you think we should trade moss. In my opinion we’ll be better off trading Cooley. We have another tight end and Moss is more valuable. Moss is the only person on our offense that defenses have to worry about and you guys want to trade him. I’ll even go as far as saying that Cooley is a bit overrated, like 90% (probably an exaggeration) goes to the tight end or running back. Its not Moss fault for his numbers, he just lacks confidence in his QB
He's confident in Moss
But when he’s double teamed and a smaller target AND he has no time to pass, Moss isn’t as productive. But no way do you trade him. That would be just stupid.
mr, teams have figured out how to stop Moss. The only thing you need to do is bump him on the line.
by LETJASONPASS on Feb 5, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
So obvious!
Why didn’t they catch on to that sooner? I wonder how long it will take for teams to realize that bumping DeSean Jackson or Steve Smith (89) is the “secret” to shutting them down?
That was all sarcasm. You’re argument holds no weight yet again, LJP. Just because you saw Moss get mad at Ross or Newman during a game this year doesn’t mean he’ll be like that every game.
My bad. Webster, not Ross.
Here’s a video clip of Moss for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtxSXtyGAVc
This showcases a lot of his stretching the field and double move abilities. But tell me, this past year, how many of these plays could we have run with less than 3 seconds in the pocket? It took nice avoid moves by Campbell to buy an extra second or two for the deep throws to Moss to work.
It all comes down to change.
Years of drafting other than the offensive line has crept up and bit the Skins in the bud. The uncapped year will not matter if the Skins keep Moss but the team was 4-12 and draft picks will help since we have not been succesfull at free agent pick ups and lose picks due to signing a free agent. It will be hard to trade someone who has been a fan favorite but what do you do when you are 4 -12 and so many questions at key positions. You have to attempt to get younger and trading someone is easier said then done since the needs on other teams are differant than the Skins. Their might have to be a combo of players to make one trade but who needs someone from a team that was 4-12 and aging like beef at the supermarket.
Just making sure you know
you only lose picks when signing RFAs
by Nobetterthenbob on Feb 6, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
SS, Why do you spend so much time comparing players, that are only similar in size to Santana that is all.
For example DeSean Jackson is alot faster and harder tp press than Santana. I am curious have you ever watched Steve Smith play?? He is faster, alot tougher and stronger then Santana. By the way Steve Smith is very hard to tackle, while Santana falls down if you blow on him hard. Santana is a “one trick pony” that has lost his trick. By the way that trick was blazing speed, now he has just good speed.
by LETJASONPASS on Feb 6, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
NO!!!! LJP, bumping Moss stops Campbell.....
Campbell didnt have enough time to complete a 3 step drop. Or did we forget that we DIDNT HAVE A LINE!!!!…
I dont understand how you will stand and fight anyone who talks crap about Campbell but you think that Moss isnt any good…. Moss is 500 times better at WR than Campbell will ever at QB…
LJP it is now appearant that you have no clue what you are talking about…
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
no, milc, Moss is to weak, and now to slow to escape a bump at the line. It is alot harder to bump Devin Thomas beacuse he is bigger, stronger and just as fast as the Db's covering him.
Hey, buddy stop being a homer … Campbell is alot more valuable then Moss is.
You should go and get a scouting job somewhere (not with the skins).
You obviously see something in players that noone else can see. You think that sorry players are good and good players are sorry.
Its clear to me that you dont understand the fundamentals of the game. No one tells the opposing team who they should fear on the team. I mean they do watch the game tapes over and over and over again to fit their defenders against the right WR. Maybe your right and they are playing the their BEST DBs against Moss wrongly. I mean if he sucked so badly he would be draw the slower weaker DB. Wouldnt he?
Maybe you could go to other teams and scout for them. You could point out ways to make them play better.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
milc, Don't put words in my mouth. I never said Santana was sorry, he is just on the down side of his peak.
Why should we wait until the rest of the NFL figures this out. Think about how many GM’s think like you, that Moss is still blazing fast. How many also think that he had a bad year because of JC 17 or the O-line? (like you) Lets take advantage of this and trade him now before the truth comes out.
You cannot have it both ways LJP.
You cannot say Campbell had a bad year cause of the line and then say Moss had a bad year because he is sliding. Doesnt make any sense. If Jason is having a bad year how do you think that is gonna effect Moss. Lets not even talk about how all long plays were taken from the play book.
Again, You find yourself arguing with the entire site. Might wanna relook your thoughts.
Your agument for one clears the other.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
What are you talking about...?
There are only 4 or 5 people that think he is better than decent. Most think that we should only keep him to pass the tide.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
WWWD?
if he were the #1 WR on a team? We’ll don’t know because he’s never been in that situation. Didn’t the Ravens shut him out completely in the playoffs?
wuss :P
It doesn’t change the fact that teams worry more about Randy Moss than Wes Welker which opens everything underneath for Welker.
Looks like Most want Moss to stay...
Sweet.. one position filled… 10 more to go on the Offense..
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
Yeah then add the ones that want him in the slot...
they are saying that because of his size, his hands and his speed to get away… If he were in the slot he would be a beast. Your argument was to get rid of him. Dont change your tune because you poll didnt work out the way you had hoped. I have seen noone but you that thought that he was falling off… The others wanted to use him as trade bait to get more players… Not the same thing…. put your fingers to the pulse and read you own post…
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
sheez....
I had your back on this one. We need to put our past behind us milc….and join for the common good…..of hating the ass-clown, cock-sucking, oozy vaginal secretion that is LJP! HAHAHAHA!!!
I am always like this......
busting balls and the occasional quasi-intelligent comment to keep people off track…..that’s my shtick!
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