2010 NFL Unrestricted Free Agents - Former Redskins List
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 23, 2010 9:13 AM EST
in Redskins Analysis
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[Jansen getting cut in another way]
Since photoshopping Vinny Cerrato is a bit of a 'dead horse' these days, let's take a look at the 2010 UFA class that once donned a Redskins uniform. If you HAD to pick one player to sign back to the Redskins, who would it be? There's not a clear cut winner here in my opinion.
My comments and selection after the jump.
Patrick Ramsey (DET) - No action in 2009
Jon Jansen (DET) - 11 games, started 2
Walt Harris (49ers) - No action
Jeremy Bridges (Cards) - 16 games, started 4
Jason Taylor (Fins) - 13 games, 3 FF, 1 INT - shoulder surgery will keep him out 3 months
Antonio Pierce (NYG) - 9 games, 55 tackles, 1 FF, 1 sack
Vernon Fox (DEN) - Only played in 2 games in 2009 (OAK/KC) putting up 1 tackle (played 10 games the year before).
Brandon Lloyd (DEN) - Only played in 2 games & totaled 8 receptions for 117 yards (0 TDs)
Ryan Clark (PIT) - 15 games, 89 tackles, 3 INTs, 30 years old
Kelley Washington (BAL) - 34 rec, 431 yards, 2 TDs. Skins had him in minicamp for a short stint. Also infamous for his "Squirrel" TD dance.
The heart wants me to pick Jon Jansen. It was clear cutting him last year was a bit foolish since, you know, the Redskins started 8 different RGs. That doesn't necessarily mean Campbell would have gotten pancaked any less. Jansen was paper mache in 2008. On the defensive side, Carlos Rogers is continually left out of all the 'new regime' coaching interviews, which makes me think Ryan Clark? What a mess. Antonio Pierce doesn't do much for me at this point given his bulging disk neck injury. Brandon Lloyd and Jason Taylor know better than to show their faces here. And why would they? Big pay day...see you later! Ugh...well, at least it can be said we didn't give away great talent! (only draft picks).
I'm going with Jon Jansen...let him retire a Redskin as a backup role.
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Bring back Ryan Clark
We should have never let him go in the first place. I always thought letting him go was a big mistake. Plus, if we’re moving a more aggressive defensive scheme, he should fit that well.
I always wondered if Ryan Clark's success was b/c who he played with...
Sean Taylor and Troy Polamalu
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 23, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Valid point
I haven’t given up on Landry, he had a dry spell this year, but was also without Horton for the majority of his slump and I believe with his skill set and athleticism could function in a solid tandem with Ryan Clark. I also, however, believe that in time Horton will emerge as a legitimate safety in his own right.
So if I had to pick from this list, i’d have to go with Ryan Clark. Jansen is slowly going the way of the buffalo, and Antonio Pierce is on the downside of his career as well..
He's already well on his way
I also, however, believe that in time Horton will emerge as a legitimate safety in his own right.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Do you think Landry plays better with Horton up front?
Last year, I don’t remember his errors being as egregious as they were this year. Do you think that can be contributed to not having the guy he’s used to having in front of him playing regularly?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Everyone is down on Landry
but the guy is a beast. He had a rough patch last year, and it’s easy to forget we lost Horton. Horton and Landry were a suitable duo. I’m a Landry fan, so if we need Ryan Clark to bring him back to form, hook it up. Though personally, I believe Horton is more than capable of filling the void
I agree about Horton
it just never really crossed my mind that the loss of Horton would have a negative impact on LL.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
It's a microcosm
of what we had with Sean T. The year we brought Landry in to play strong safety we were able to free SeanT up to play a true safety position, with which he obviously excelled. Taylor was a presence whenever he put on a helmet, but the year we had him complemented with Landry he was playing his best ball in Washington.
Doughty was serviceable and is a hell of a tackler, but I don’t believe he brings the same things to the table Horton did. With a stronger SS Landry could see success at FS. As much as I’d like a playmaker like Berry, our safety situation is relatively stable, while the O-Line needs some love
hmm
interesting thought.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Landry was terrible in coverage
I like Landry as a SS. But as a FS, he was the only one that was consistently beat last year on a pump fake (w/o double move). He was too easy to set up. If he was close to jumping a route last year, the offense would run a similiar play with the fake or a double move and he would jump. Burnt. It happened 3 times for big scores by my count and probably more.
He is just too aggressive to be a FS. He wants to thump skulls, period.
Do you think he felt like he had to do more
because of Horton being gone?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I think you guys are over-stating the loss of Horton
It’s not like we have a HUGE body of evidence to work with either.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
We're not overstating
we’re having a discussion that stemmed from KevinE and other’s wondering if Ryan Clark’s play has been helped by having a competent partner in his FS.
Just wondering if the inverse could be true.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Ideally
Landry is a SS. Agreed. I’m just saying that I believe Landry is better than he played last year, and Horton (or another competent SS) could be the adjustment necessary for Landry to function as a legitimate Free Safety. For the sake of where the team is and the draft picks we have this could be a more practical solution than bringing in a FS. Just a thought…
I want him
to thump skulls, period
as well, so I think it would behoove us to move him back to SS in the 3-4 that seems inevitable.
Look at the numbers for the safeties
Bear in mind there are different responsibilites for FS and SS. Horton and Doughty played in different situations and games. Moore played SS against Denver and one full game at FS and backup FS in the others. Horton played FS against the Chiefs. Landry played FS except against the Raiders and the last Dallas game. Doughty played FS in the games when Landry played SS. Look at the links for individual safeties to see their performance against various teams. Landry used the responsibility issue as an excuse a few times when he messed up. Doughty was the only safety with an overall positive rating. Sean Taylor was all over the field no doubt.
2009……snaps…….OVR….RD….PR….PC……P……#P..QS..QH..QP…PB…TKS..AS..MT..Stops
Landry…1,000…….-14.1…-0.7…-0.3…-11.1…-2.0…2-0…1…..1…..0…….0…..76…..9…..13….20
Totals & by game – http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&surn=Landry&playerid=3622
Doughty…656……..5.8……9.0….-0.1…..-2.1…-1.0…1-0…2…..0 ….1…….0…..67…..7……4….30
Totals & by game – http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&surn=Doughty&playerid=3118
Horton….316……..-0.1…….0.9….-0.4…..0.4….-1.0…1-0…0…..0 ….1…….0…..23…..3……4….11
Totals & by game – http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&surn=Horton&playerid=4563
Moore….182……..-3.6……-0.0…..0.0….-3.6 …..0.0…0-0…0…..0….0…….0…..15…..1……2…..4
Totals & by game – http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&surn=Moore&playerid=4494
OVR – overall rating, RD – run defense, PR – pass rush, PC – pass coverage, P penalty, #P – number of penalties, QS quarterback sacks, QH – quarterback hits, QP – quarterback pressures, Tks – tackles, As – assisted tackles, BP – ?; MT – missed tackles
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 23, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Damnit
you beat me to it. My sentiments exactly. While I’d like to see them sign Jansen for a day so he can officially retire a Redskins, the guy I’d welcome back with open arms would be Clark.
Of course, all of this is null and void if TJ Duckett is available. Maybe we could trade for him?
Great idea!
Let’s bring back a guy who played well for us, played well when we foolishly let him go, and is now entering the tail end of his career! We could even give him a huge contract and everything. Tonight we’re gonna party like it’s the year after 1999!
by kseandoyle on Feb 23, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hold horses
I’m wth Ryan Clark
But I thought the Redskins and Joe Bugel failed to see the greatness of Jeremy Bridges, and he was so great I’m sure the Cardinals will not allow him to walk away.
Everyone blames Vinny and Dan for allowing Clark to leave, but it seems a similar situation is occuring in New Orleans
The Saints might be willing to let Sharper gauge the market, and hoping for a chance to match any offer he gets elsewhere. The thinking would be that, like Randy Moss two years ago, Sharper will realize after being on the shelf for a while that no one else is going to offer him dramatically more than the Saints would pay.PFT.com
Sometimes coaches believe there systems is the answer over specific players and allow the player to walk…
Gregg Williams did this EXACT same thing w/ Antonio Pierce
which back-fired badly that next year.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 23, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if this season would have been any different
if we had kept Marcus Washington? Sure he was losing a step, but Orakpo would’ve had his hand in the dirt and would’ve at least doubled his number of rushes…..
I doubt it...Marcus was in really bad shape.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 23, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
It should be a red flag
that he didn’t even get picked up by a contender looking for LB depth.
Jason Taylor
actually had a pick-6 but the refs botched it.
Why are so many people high on Ryan Clark?
He’s a game changer, x-factor, or anything special. He is a solid tackler and i haven’t seen him in coverage enough to give an opinion
Left out of the mix...
was Shawn Springs when healthy he proved to be a headache for recievers and made everyone around him better. At this point due to injury and age and his contract made him expendable and is a memory now. Just the thought of the coverage and #21 making a road kill if need be. I would say Ryan Clark would be some help now if coverage remains a problem.
Patrick Ramsey!
Forget all this Colt Brennan vs Jason Campbell nonsense. Let’s cut both of them, bring back Ramsey and Rosenfels, and have us a retro QB controversy. I mean, we already have the offensive line to match the days of Ramsey; let’s skip upgrading it and bring in a couple of guys who are used to eating dirt while in a Redskins jersey.
None of them.
Possibly the only thing I can’t begrudge Vinny for is cutting someone who we should have kept.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I'd like to see us pick up John Jansen
and on the final home game put him in the ring of honor.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Jansen in the Ring
I don’t see it. I think Samuels possibly. Jansen was a stallwart and I was a big fan. I just don’t see how he was good enough to be ringed. Ring needs to be kept to the greatest.
Shame though. Redskins had bookend tackles for 7 years and couldn’t get by coaching, injuries, or Vinny to be successful. What a waste.
But he was "The Rock" man...
or something like that.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I don't see him in the Ring either
he was good, yeah, but he was no Samuels and the team didn’t accomplish anything during their tenures. It is a shame though. We had a line their for a while that really should have been able to get something done.
agree
Jansen not in the ring. he was fine for us for all those years but never exceptional. The ring is for exceptional players. Samuels has a chance though.
How about a different ring? This ring be around the bathrooms and put all those names up top around the bathroom walls.
I’d put Lloyd, Sanders, Carrier, Smith, Spurrier, cerrato on that list. Hell, you could name the list after cerrato.
The Stain of Shame?
Problem is, I would run up to the urinal, see the Ring and shit my britches instead of peeing just at the sight of it.
but never exceptional.
I always thought of Jansen as exceptional – a true professional and probably played in the top quarter percentile as others who played his position for the better part of a decade. A couple of nasty injuries (amazing he came back) and Cerrato doomed him to being just an exemplary Redskin. And a class act.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Note - Cerratto did not doom him to be a class act.
He was despite Cerratto.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Hands down Ryan Clark
I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 23, 2010 9:47 PM EST reply actions
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