Trade Bait
by mr.snyderhireme on Feb 19, 2010 3:01 AM EST
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I hear alot of talk about trading and obtaining more draft picks from alot posts lately. Some I strongly agree with and other I strongly disagree with. Being as though this is an uncapped year alot of trades are expected this year more than the past seasons. Here's who I think can be considered trade bait on our current roster and who shouldn't with my explanations.
SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED TRADE BAIT:
Carlos Rogers: I hear alot you talking about trading Rogers and it makes me sick to my stomach. He's our best corner and arguably a top 5 corner in the entire league. He's the main reason our secondary is one of the best. He's not flashy and he doesn't come up with many picks but the guy goes out and shut down his side of the field on a consistent basis. And did I mention this is a passing league and shut down corners are hard to come by, our pass rush isn't that good either so what justifiacation can any have to trade him. Even if we get a 1st rounder for him it still won't match his value. If we let this guy go, every team in the NFL will bite hard because he's one of those rare shut down corners. Pay him and keep him.
Santana Moss: He's our only proven receiver and he's still a playmaker. Frankly i never seen the video of him getting caight by a linebacker and I really don't care. Moss is a 1000 yard receiver easy and he could take the pressure off our young receivers too. I also hear alot of you say that he's not tough and i just don't see it. He's one of the more passionate players on the offense, probably the only one who isn't scared to throw a punch every once in awhile. Plus his signature first down gesture is too cool!! We let this dude go and cowboys will jump on him quick and he'll come back to humiliate us. Keep Moss!!
OUR TRADE BAIT:
Chris Cooley: Here's where I strike a nerve. First off i like Cooley and he has had some magical games for us but he is a luxury we don't need. Davis is faster, more elusive, younger, and hungrier. He may not be better than Cooley yet but he can't be that much of a fall off either and a 2nd or 3rd round pick in my point of view carries more value than Cooley. If we keep JC this may hurt him but i thinks it's for the better because he relies too much on him. This could actually make JC look deeper down field more often. Not to mention if you watch defenses play us, they practically leave Cooley open and let him try and beat the D because our offense is so predictable. Now to be fair, Cooley has made defenses pay for it but it doesn't do anything for our win department. Also we have a gang of young receivers we need to move on with and see what they could do. Cooley is perfect trade bait.
JC: I wouldn't call this a must but i would definately listen to some offers. It's just my opinion that our qb play is the reason for our receivers being basically irrelevant during games and it is the reason we don't have alot of running room. I just don't see defenses respecting JC, so it makes things harder in every way for our offense to get any continuity. And the fact that JC still has troubles redaing defenses and calling audibles leads me to believe that it will hinder our young receivers development which is crucial since we spent the whole 08 draft on them. Most of you would also say he our best option which i won't argue with but i believe change is needed sometimes regardless because change alot of times can strike a spark in the offense.
Landry: landry still has potential but lets face it he's a liability in the deep zone and he's misses alot of tackles. Some say he's out of postion and he should play SS but I think we already have our future SS in Horton. With all this said i would only consider trading landry if it's for a 1st rounder (maybe to the 49ers for one of there two 1st rounder) and we could use the 4th overall pick on Berry.
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Who gives up a first round pick
to a guy who cannot tackle? How can you even pretend to evaluate our QB and receivers when we have no OLine; hence no pass protection and no hint of a running threat. Moss should end up in our Ring of Honor, but not on our football team next year. Why?:
- Can’t get off the line
- Quits when he gets frustrated because he can’t get off the line
- Has DEFINITELY lost a step or TWO
Every team knows that if you bump him around and hold him he gets frustrated and mentally takes himself out of the game.
Dumb post.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I'll call it a tie between
Santana and Devin as our best receiver with Moss on the down slide and Devin on the up slide (see Tiller’s post about our WRs and how they tested at the combine before they were drafted).
One of the biggest drawbacks in our WR development is that they have given up playing time to ARE and to Moss when he has already tanked mentally for a particular game. (There are other reasons, I know).
We should trade Moss while he has some value; maybe for a promising 2nd or 3rd year lineman or a 3rd or 4th round draft pick. Even 4th round pick would not be bad, considering this is a deep draft and very thin at the top. We could draft a RB, LB, or even a QB in the 4th round to shore things up all around.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I normally try not to get too personal
Afterall, this is a good group of posters – best on the web!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
everyone is trade bait
If you get a good deal. That said I don’t think anyone is all that interested in any of our players unless we’re the ones getting the short end of the stick, in which case making the trade is a dumb move.
Ummmmm
Let’s not get too carried away with Moss not being afraid to throw a punch, because I’ve never actually seen him throw a punch. Regardless, we have more than enough punch-throwers on the team (ie. the Atlanta game) that if we are only using Moss as an enforcer, we MAY need to put him the backfield.
Anyone gets near Campbell, Moss’ll break your legs.
Foaming at the mouth from all the excitement of a "Kindergarten Ninja"-less Front Office!
Trade Bait
With you all the way, except that I would not trade Cooley. Davis, yes, but not Chris.
Do any of the following OT stir your interest in a trade?
Saints | May trade an offensive tackle
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Mike Triplett, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports the New Orleans Saints may attempt to seek trades for some of their restricted free agents, especially at offensive tackle, where they have three experienced players in OT Jammal Brown, OT Jermon Bushrod and OT Zach Strief.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 24, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Scott E
You’re too clueless for me too help you comprehend. Look at my last post if you want to know my views on qb and wideout.
by mr.snyderhireme on Feb 19, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions
I tried to read that drivel
and gave up. Sorry, but when you start to make a shred of sense I will try harder.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
You're ignorant
I bet typing insults make you feel tough. Well go ahead if its going to keep you from shooting up a mall or something
by mr.snyderhireme on Feb 19, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
I laugh harder when I LOLOLOLOLO!!
in Caps and Bold. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
And I did not intend
in any way to insult our Latino friends on this or any other site. Seriously!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
The 08 draft baffles me....
drafting the three) two recievers and a tightend kind of makes little sense when they could have drafted an offensive lineman or even a running back. Age was a concern then as much as it is more so now. I believe Ray Rice was available then and you have to wonder what were they thinking. I know nobody knows how someone turns out but we would have better things in place if they draft smarter. These guys can be impact players still but would like to have more options in the draft at differant positions then just one and seeing your pick ride the bench the first year. So now our needs are still offensive line and running back due to age and injuries.
Ray Rice would not have had his current
success behind our line. But you are correct in that it was inexplicable they didn’t pick up at least 1 OLineman.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
HMMM
Not to bad I agree on keeping Santana I think if we can do better then Carlos we should let him go. Portis needs traded, I think Cooley is iffy think of us having Santana and another receiver along with a 2 TE package there isnt a defense in the league that could cover Cooley and Davis on the same play. As far as Landry goes we just need a new Free Safety and move him back to Strong, His only problem is he cant cover deep, we just need to move him back to his natural position. We need all new runningbacks unfortunatly we would get a prime starter in the draft this year
i wish
i had a time machine and i would kick the shit out of those stupid assholes who took Sean away from us
I was going to pick them up in my time machine
earlier that fateful night and put them in Vinny’s yard back in 2003 and say sayanara.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
As usual, some things I agree with and some I don't. I'm sure you'll call me clueless because its really your only response lol
I don’t believe Rogers is our best corner but he is up there and we should keep him. They didn’t allow him to play to his strengths last season, if they did he would have been the beast that he has showed us before.
Trust me, Moss has lost a step but he is definitely still our best receiver. But he does tend to kind of mess himself up when he gets frustrated.
As far as Cooley goes, I say we should keep him. I keep hearing people say he is a luxury that we don’t need. Truth is no one needs a luxury. A luxury is a want not a need. A luxury is something that is extremely nice to have. I say we keep both TE’s, lets see how Shanahan utilizes the two, and if it seems that Davis is being hindered then maybe try to trade Cooley another time. He has done too much for the Redskins IMO to just go ahead and trade him because Davis stepped up when Cooley got hurt. And obviously he has gotten more balls thrown his way because him and JC have a huge amount of trust in each other.
We have debated about JC enough so I’ll bypass this one.
Finally, Landry is playing out of position. Remember what a beast he was when Sean Taylor was alive and blowing people up at FS? Landry was at SS then. Then tragically we lose Taylor, Landry moves to FS, and he has been a liability ever since then. So many keep saying Horton is the better SS, well I say if thats the case then lets try Horton at FS since he isn’t as aggressive at Landry. Seems like a good Idea to me.
Now I’m sure your going to reply to me talking about how clueless I am because thats all you say to those who disagree with you. Even when your talking non-sense who ever doesn’t agree with you is clueless in your opinion. You seem like one of those guys who believes he is always right, which is why your debates seem so funny to me because even when I actually tend to agree with you you still call me clueless lol
you all are crazy
horton is not a better SS than Landry. Landry is all over the freaking field. The dude is a monster. Horton got benched for REED DOUGHTY. REED DOUGHTY.
I'm just kidding, but I have to agree
that Landry was all over the field – just not near where the ball was being thrown or at the point of tackle. I expect all that to change though. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
How dare you
I love debates and disagreements and i learn from all of you because I am a very humble teacher and a student. Now i do think I’m always right atleast until proven wrong, its called confidence. And so what if i call you called you clueless its just a hard pat on the back, don’t get your panties in a bunch. Its funny how you turn my post around just to talk about me…like you know me. Back on topic, Cooley is a want/luxury we dont need. Even the chiefs had to part ways with the great Gonzalez. And you can’s tell me a 2nd round doesnt carry more value than Cooley, how about OLB Sergio kindle for example. And arent you one those people who wants more picks and wnat this and want that, well guess what friend you have to give to receive. Think about that. As for Horton moving to FS, I dont know if he’s fast enough he’s a top tackler at SS keep him there.
by mr.snyderhireme on Feb 19, 2010 11:55 PM EST reply actions
Now I think we are making progress. I hope I dont jinx myself like I did last time I said that.
I didn’t flip your post to talk about you. Based on our last few debates I just stated the obvious at the end. And I like debates and all as much as the next person, I’m just saying if you think your right all the time then it doesnt make for much of a debate now does it. But thanks for proving my point by admitting that. Also you don’t have to call people clueless just because they disagree with you. Thats part of a debate. I’m not tripping about it, I’ve been called worse. I’m just saying its pretty childish, and thinking your always right is ignorant, not confidence. Back to the topic as well, if I remember correctly Gonzalez didn’t even want to be a Chief anymore. And your kind of confusing me. Where have you seen me post about doing a whole bunch of things to get more picks? More would be nice and all but you’ve got the wrong guy. As far as Horton goes, he is a waaaay better tackler, but of course that attributes to Landry always trying to go for a knock out hit. If the Redskins don’t draft a safety I think they should at least experiment with idea so we can have them both on the field without worrying about Landry being as much of a liability as he is at FS. Now before you reply thinking that I’m still somewhat attacking you, I’m not. I’m just pretty sure we can have better debates without going through the whole “your clueless, you don’t get it, I’m right your wrong” scenario.
On the contrary
How can a person debate if they don’t think they’re right. Doesn’t make sense to me to argue something you don’t believe in but hey maybe thats your thing. i may have called you clueless before but I have never passed as much judgement on a person as you do. You might want to take a look at the man in the mirror before you pass judgements on others. As far as cooley goes he’s trade bait, there’s nothing deadly about having two good tight ends on the field at the same time. Moss is our best receiver and only proven. Landry can be replaced if they do decide to trade him. Rogers is a top 5 corner and deserves to be paid and stay with us.
by mr.snyderhireme on Feb 20, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
Theres nothing wrong with thinking that your right, but ALL THE TIME? No one is right all the time.
And exactly how am I being judgmental? By basing my statements about you by your actions? I’m not judging you at all, I just made some obvious statements. Quote my exact sentences where I am passing judgement about you. And the man that I look at in the mirror is freakin awesome man! lol
Now about Cooley, we haven’t seen the skins run a 2 TE set so we have no idea how deadly it would be. I have said Moss was our best receiver plenty of times so I’m not sure why you mentioned him. Of course Landry can be replaced, how many SS’s do we have already? And I never said we should get rid of Rogers.
trading cooley lol lol lol lol lol lol lol ..
the guy who wrote this post must be fred davis personal pillow biter trade cooley bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol lol ..
Anyone who will be 30 by the start of the season should be tradeable
This team will not compete for a championship in the next three years, so it makes sense to trade our older guys while they still have value – that includes Moss. Heck, that includes my favorite player Fletcher. Precisely because these guys are good, we would get some decent picks in return.
As for Cooley and Davis, trade whomever you can get the highest picks for.
I agree 100% on keeping Rogers (and signing him to a long-term deal). He’s not a top 10 CB because he can’t catch, but he is still a very, very good corner.
I don’t believe we would get good value for Jason. Keep him.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 20, 2010 5:54 PM EST reply actions
I see what you're saying but.....
Some veterans are valuable mainly fletcher, our youngs guys look up to him and he sets good example for them. And that my friend is priceless.
by mr.snyderhireme on Feb 20, 2010 10:16 PM EST reply actions
Riddle me this....
Turning down a first round pick for Carlos “can’t catch or cover” Rogers would be like saying Nah, no thanks I’d rather not to the women of your dreams spread eagle on top of a mountain laying in a bed made of virgins (or spaghetti for all you spaghetti lovers out there).
The fact of the matter is that Carlos had a really bad year. He was getting beat consistently one on one. I know he has alot more potential and I was very high up on him before this past season and he really let me down this year. But all hopes of him looking for a a big pay day went out the window when he fell on his ass as a touchdown pass was caught on his face earlier this season.
The reason a conerback plays.....
cornerback is the reason why you would not want them to play WR. (they can`t catch) few exceptions are called shutdown corners. Getting a high pick for Rogers would be a steal so we could maybe find a better corner and address other needs. F.A. could be a possibility for short term answer and see how the younger ones improve to a starting role.
Carlos Replacement
Ok I agreed if we could upgrade over Carlos we should well I see that we can in FA. Besides the the given of going after a OL or 2 we should seriously persue Dunta Robinson from the Texans even to a point of making him a top priority just a thought I also see Tomas Jones may becoming available
There is no upgrade over Rogers
Dunta Robinson is not better than rogers
by mr.snyderhireme on Feb 23, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions
Not worth the effort
and downgrade to make a change with CR.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
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