Breaking Down the Redskins Draft Situation; Interview with Mocking the Draft
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 18, 2010 8:43 AM EST
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With all the hype and hoopla surrounding the Redskins first round pick, I decided to take a step back and chat with SB Nation's draft expert, Dan Kadar, of Mocking The Draft. We talk about the highly debated drafting "need" vs "best player available" in the Redskins current situation and if there are any likely candidates for the Redskins to trade back.
Hogs Haven: Is Okung or Anthony Davis worth #4 money?
Dan Kadar: I think Okung can be. He might not be Jake Long or Joe Thomas, but he's very good. He's more of a prototypical left tackle than Davis, who played guard for a year at Rutgers. Okung is more developed at this point and Davis is somewhat raw.
Hogs Haven: Historically there are 2 busts every year in the top 6 picks...looking at the top 6 picks this year in everyone's mock drafts, they all seem like franchise players. Who's the bust?
Dan Kadar: Let's go by my latest mock, so we can qualify those top six a little bit. That would be Sam Bradford, Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Okung, Eric Berry and Jimmy Clausen. Keep in mind, though that those are not my top six ranked players overall. Suh and Berry seem like the surest things in this draft, so I definitely wouldn't say them.This is actually pretty difficult because if I could predict busts, I wouldn't have them going that high. But, if you held a knife to my throat, I'd guess the bust will be Jimmy Clausen. Sorry Notre Dame fans. I had to choose one.
Hogs Haven: In regards to the Redskins, what is your philosophy on drafting for need vs the best player available? Given the obvious need on the O-line, do you take Okung over Berry, Bradford, and/or one of the top DT prospects?
Dan Kadar: Typically my philosophy about need versus BPA is that playoff-caliber teams should fill needs and non-playoff teams should go best player. Obviously there are some reasons to not do that - Detroit or Tampa Bay wouldn't take Bradford or Clausen, for example. As for Washington, offensive line just seems like a dire need. And Okung would be close to the best player available, so that makes sense. It's a toss-up if Berry will be there and almost assuredly the top defensive tackles won't be. And I've never been a big believer that the Redskins are just going to give up on Jason Campbell. But we'll really start to hear more about Washington might do starting next week at the Scouting Combine.
Hogs Haven: If the Redskins had the #1 pick what would you do?
Dan Kadar: Trade it! But seriously, it would be pretty hard to pass up on Suh.
Hogs Haven:One thing Skins fans would like to see is the Redskins trade down. Do you see any likely trading partners for the Redskins in the first round?
Dan Kadar: Sadly, probably not. The Redskins are in a tough spot. The biggest hurdle is the money issue. Not many teams will want to move up and pay that huge guaranteed contract. But if a team were to move up, it would be to leapfrog Kansas City. Odds sure seem like the Chiefs will take either Rolando McClain or Eric Berry. While I really like both, I don't see a lot of teams trading up for a linebacker or safety.
I would like to think the Patriots are trade candidates with their 2 first round picks, but the Pats are much smarter than that. I guess Oakland could be the dark horse to do something stupid since they need a QB. Either way, looks like Skins will be picking 4. Mel Kiper recently made the point:
"Would you rather have Anthony Davis (Rutgers) or Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) at four," Kiper said of the draft's top offensive linemen, "and then Colt McCoy (Texas) or Dan LeFevour (Central Michigan) in the second round? Or would you rather have Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford at four, and then maybe a Bruce Campbell, the offensive tackle out of Maryland, or even a Bryan Bulaga (Iowa) if he fell down there? We've seen it happen before where tackles have dropped at times into the second round.
I don't know about you but I don't ever want the word "hope" in my draft strategy. As Ken and I were discussing this last night, he brought up a great rebuttal: "Here's an ingenious idea, Mel, draft Offensive Linemen in BOTH rounds."
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The Rams
and the Redskins are the two wildcards at the top of the draft as you could both take QB’s which will cause a ripple effect through the top half of the draft as KC would have a choice of McClain or Berry and so on.
Unless you can fix your line in FA you just have to go OT in the draft.
As a Giants fan I would like to see the Giants be aggressive in the draft and try and get McClain – would the Redskins trade down to 15th and what would you want in a trade?
by G Fan in England on Feb 18, 2010 8:59 AM EST reply actions
1st this year and 1st next year at minimum
I’d try to even wrestle away the 2nd round pick this year. A lot of talent drops off the top 5.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 18, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
That is alot
to move up ten spots even if it is into the top 5 especially as some Mocks have McClain dropping to the Raiders or Broncos and even some down th the Giants at 15.
I know we gave all of that to get Eli – but a LB is different.
If two firsts were involved I would be looking at getting a second or third back from you in 2011.
by G Fan in England on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
The Skins better demand that much or more
if they are going to facilitate Rolando McClain playing for a division rival for the next decade. I’m very nervous about the Giants or the Eagles taking him.
Everyone said Aaron Curry was going to be the best LB ever and should be the #1 pick
not so much
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 18, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
he had a pretty damn good year.
his stats aren’t great, but I remember reading that he was doing great.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I followed Bama pretty closely all year
McClain is a very smart football player. Plus I think its too early to call Curry a bust also. Seattle was awful.
The Skins were awful but Fletcher was a beast
I agree tho…def too early to label.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 18, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
McClain is a London Fletcher-like LB.
by Dixie's Football Pride on Feb 18, 2010 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
physically he's MUCH bigger
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
That is why
I hope the Giants can get him as he would be an ideal replacement for AP.
By all accounts we need to get ahead of the Chiefs…
by G Fan in England on Feb 18, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
he's going to be a baller
If the Skins want to improve their chances of ever beating the Giants again, they will do whatever they can to keep them from getting McClain.
Any chance
the Redskins will take him if you are switching to a 3-4?
by G Fan in England on Feb 18, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
If the Giants do not
get McClain I hope they go OT so that Diehl can move inside to OG as this would upgrade our OL in two places for the price of one.
by G Fan in England on Feb 19, 2010 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
Performance comparisons
Aaron Curry’s game by game ratings – http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=5&surn=C&playerid=4927 – were negatively influenced by penalties and pass coverage. His performance did seem to improve through the latter part of the season. He played both right and left OLB. The teams that he played against could have impacted his performance, but that info is not in the details and it would require looking elsewhere. The defensive tackles and ends’ performance can influence that of the linebackers depending on how well they were shielded. As can be seen in Seattle’s defensive performance, Curry was the only one of their linebackers with a negative overall rating – http://profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=29&stype=a&stats=d. Give him another year or 2 before calling him a bust, but first look seems that way.
3-4 outside linebackers – http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=OLB4&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1
Clay Matthews another rookie,1st round linebacker pick was rated #5 overall.
4-3 outside linebackers – http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=OLB3&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1
Rookie, Brian Cushing’s performance was rated #3 overall. Aaron Curry was rated 51st and led all 4-3 linebackers in penalties with a minus 8, but Cushing had a minus 5 in penalties. Curry had a minor negative on run defense, but Cushing excelled. Rey Mauluga, who dropped into the 2nd round of the 2009 draft, was rated overall as 15th and is being considered for inside linebacker position for the 2010 season.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 19, 2010 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
The surest thing in this draft is that Clausen will be a bust. I’m back and forth between Okung and Berry; but would take Suh in a heartbeat.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I would be shocked if Berry busted
He’s an absolute beast. He can hit, he can cover, and he can catch. He’s fast and strong. Unless he throws up an Alvin Mack 3 on his wonderlick, I don’t see it.
Sean Taylor scored a 10.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 18, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I might have just
shot water out of my nose.
Snot funny....
OK…given it’s you and not me…that’s pretty funny. :)
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Yes but
Sean was of the rare talent that required no thought, just pure instinct. To quote Colin Cowherd when describing Manny Ramirez, "While other players at the plate are thinking. OK what did he throw me last time up. Is he gonna go all heat or drop the hammer 3-2? While all that goes through Manny’s head is… Fruity Pebbles. I like Fruity Pebbles. Crush!
Sean was a Fruity Pebbles player.
haha
I still hate Cowherd though.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
cowherd
I used to like his show until he went on the radio the day Sean died and made all these statements about how his death had to be connected with his troubled past and shady characters he associated with at Miami and all this stuff. How wrong did he turn out to be?I havent listened to him since. Rest in peace 21. We will always remember and love you.
by samthemantis on Feb 20, 2010 3:53 AM EST up reply actions
Okung is a first round talent
Therefore we have to draft him. I don’t care if we’re over paying him by 10 draft spots.
Our need is that bad.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
its not like okung is only a 1st round talent who we’re overdrafting at 4. Many people believe he could go 2 or 3 to the lions or bucs. He’s a top 5 talent and will be a dominant tackle in the NFL. We’ll be lucky to get him rather than Bradford or Clausen, who are much more likely to bust. As a redskins fan, we must HOPE we take okung to start rebuilding the o-line with potentially the next franchise tackle
Desperate men doing desperate deeds ends in desperate destruction.
Or something like that says Confucious.
by johnnydee83 on Feb 18, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Drafting Okung in the first round isn't wild desperation.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Drafting the 10,12,14th best player at 4 is desperate, and not smart.
Especially in 2-3 years if he turns out be be mid round talent, and you skipped perennial pro-bowlers and 2 or 3 better tackles.
Disagree on word choice.
I don’t think reaching is this mortal mistake some people think it is, and I don’t think reaching 10 spots for the single biggest position of need is disastrous desperation.
Especially in 2-3 years if he turns out be be mid round talent, and you skipped perennial pro-bowlers and 2 or 3 better tackles.
This involes hindsight that’s not relevant to what the best approach to the draft should be.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
You have to project what a prospect's ceiling is.
The best player today may not be the best player in 2- 3 years. I hate picking on Okung because he is a good talent, but at #4 you have to take a dominating player. Most every expert has Okung as the 4th or 5th best OT if last year’s class was here. It isn’t and Okung is the best of this class, but his ceiling is not as high as other tackles in this draft. Signing Okung to a 6yr/60M deal with 30M guaranteed could devastate this franchise for years if he does not dominate. He is not projected to dominate.
As I said, if he's a first round talent, I'm fine taking him at #4
Signing Okung to a 6yr/60M deal with 30M guaranteed could devastate this franchise for years if he does not dominate.
Probably more like $22M-25M. Anyway, not considerably more so than any other draft pick. At least bust linemen still play, unlike busts at WR or QB. Landry is essentially a bust to date and his contract hasn’t crippled us.
He is not projected to dominate.
This is over stating one opinion a little bit.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Signing Okung to a 6yr/60M deal with 30M guaranteed could devastate this franchise for years if he does not dominate.
This goes for any player the Skins pick.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 18, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
This isn't a direct reply to you Kevin
but I feel that with all of this talk about passing on perennial Pro-Bowlers and whatnot that it needs to be pointed out that Orakpo was the earliest-picked rookie to make the Pro Bowl this year at #13.
Nice data point
Depending on what you expect from a top ten draftee, you cannot really expect a pro bowl caliber performance. Now, how many top 10 draftees have been named rookie of the year for offense and defense. Probably not as many as you would think, except it would be skewed to higher level draft picks because they are more likely to start than lower rounders.
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I think its more about
matching the right player with the right team than just getting the guy that everyone says is the best.
Well...yes
Really the only valid reason for a trade is to go to a team for a better fit.
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I know
just segued a bit – since there has been so much talk about trades as a means of getting more draft picks. You take a player like Brandon Marshall and you wonder – is it the Brandon? or the team? In this case, I think Brandon has some character issues that mean you don’t get him.
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Orakpo, I mean.
He was a top 10 player, and the best player on the board at the time. That was a good pick.
it really wasnt
look I love Orakpo, but MIchael Oher was available to us at the time we chose Orakpo, we had just signed Haynesworth, and Oher ended up getting Offensive Rookie of the Year honours, when we desperately needed O-Line.
AS I say, I love Orakpo, but B-Rak was the sexy pick (gets you all them nice Sack Stats) the smart pick (the pick Bill Polian would have made) is Oher
Pommylee
True, but projections have to factor in.
Any player can bust, scouts and GMs have to project where a prospect will be in a given time frame. It’s all a big gamble, but you have to trust your scouts, your ability to evaluate talent and gut instinct.
Player A may be better than player B today because of a myriad of reasons, but will he be in 2 years and beyond. That is where talent evaluation is critical.
If the highest (or one of) paid player on the team is average or slighly above, what does that do to team morale and chemistry for the next 6 years.
My point is if there are other players on the board who they feel have a greater level of ability, then they should choose that player regardless of position.
Not totally regardless of positon.
If the pick is not a major upgrade over what the team currently has, then you can bypass that choice.
You wouldn’t take Spiller if you had Chris Johnson.
You might take a Spiller if you had a Portis or Tomlinson.
totally disagree under most circumstances, including:
when you do not even have a SERVICEABLE starter on the roster.
The Redskins are fielding a team that does not have a even remotely talented LT, RT, RG (prob), and to lesser extent FS. And the center is a free agent (and a lesser concern). You can not even expect any QB, even JC, to last the year with that line.
We must fill that line and a decent LT only comes through the draft- almost always in round 1. They are the second highest paid person on the team for a reason.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 18, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree to a point
but you could have just as easily substituted QB for OT and make the same arguement. Bradford has looked good at times, but not so much at the Natl Championship game so was that his fault?, his coaches? Was the Florida D that good? Is it safe to say that he still has yet to perform at the next level? plus he’s injury prone in an offense that is designed to keep the QB from being hit, is that his fault? is he fragile? was he unlucky? is he not elusive enough? Would Bradford have graded out higher than either Stafford or Sanchez?
I dunno, but spending #4 money on him seems more of a reach than spending it on Okung. But this is why The Danny hired Allen and Shanahan, to help make those calls. However they decide to call it, I’ll root for the guy regardless.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
I agree.
Last year Bradford was rated higher than Stafford and Sanchez on most boards. Stafford lit it up on his pro-day and jumped to the top.
I know you haven't been arguing for drafting either of the QBs
but for the benefit of those that are, I want to point out that Stafford had no durability concerns pre-draft. He was drafted and put behind a line similar to ours, and suffered accordingly while only netting his team 2 total wins.
I would be happy with
Okung, Berry or Suh. NO QBs this draft. Total waste and too much risk for minimal talent available.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
What Kiper can't seem to get through his gel-enrusted skull
is that the Skins don’t need a QB at all this year.
Amazing, huh?
This guy gets big bucks without a shred of a chance of being right. Surprise he’s not doing the weather on Channel 4.
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Check out
Foots Forecast (google it). It’s a HS science teacher and a network of HS kids around Baltimore. They have consistently NAILED every forecast for snow in the DC-Balt area. And they explain why. Very cool.
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Great interview Kevin, informative, non-biased and straight forward.
It’s good to get some expert-like opinions from neutral observers. Although I am in the BPA camp and would love to get; Berry, McCoy or Suh; I clearly understand the need to rebuild the line. Barring any trades or extra picks, I don’t see how the team cannot use the 1st-2 picks on O-line. To me it would be between Davis-Okung with the 4 pick and Davis-Pouncey with the 37th pick. May the best man win.
Hopefully though, we can get extra picks!
I am doing the Redskin—make it rain extra picks-War dance.
Uh-uh-uh-uh-oh—uh-uh-uh-oh———Please Draft Gods!
I'd make sure I had
a really, really strong umbrella if I were going to make it rain Hogs. Jest sayin.
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yes, kevin…great job!
sometimes we forget the little things…then again, as a fellow skin fan, i m sure you can appreciate that i am desensitized !!! lol
by les boulez bomber on Feb 18, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
How serious do you think
the N.F.L. teams take Mel Kipers views he is just a journalist and his views are just as good as anyone who posts on here. I can see Heath Schuler written on any
we should take okung then pouncey in the 1st two rounds…trade up to get a 3rd rounder (thanks a lot vinny cerrato) and take myron rolle (amazing value pick, getting a 1st round caliber FS here will be the steal of the draft….assuming by draft time he lasts this long, but from all the mock drafts by the “experts” he’d be available around then)
actually
the 3rd rounder wasn’t vinny’s “fault” so to speak. We used it to get Jeremy Jarmon in the supplemental draft. In the limited action he’s seen he has looked like a good choice. Just need him to come back strong from the injury now.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
i know……he’s a good pick…though at this point i’d much rather have the 3rd rounder to take on another position rather than jarmon, who while he is a good prospect, does not really fit our new 3-4 scheme, so in the end, having the pick to use on another greater need would be better
nothing against Jarmon, he made sense as a pick for our last system, not this one
agree, in fact thats what they were saying the moment we drafted him
but again we went DE, after drafting Orakpo and signing Haynesworh
BEWARE SEXY PICKS
Yes DE’s get stat lines and OT’s dont, but we needed O-Line and took B-Rak (who I love) instead of the sensible pick (Oher) and then lost our 3rd Rd Pick for yet another D-Line player….madness
Pommylee
All in all
I think its nit-picking a bit too much to complain about the Orakpo pick. I mean, come on dude.
Carver, dont get me wrong, I'm glad we have Orakpo
but the fact I am glad, is the precise reason why I should never be allowed within a 1000 miles of the Front Office of a Football organisation.
It was the sexy pick, the pick the fans (like me) would love.
Whereas the smary pick was Oher, now I am glad we have Orakpo, and will be for as long as he plays for us, but I am just saying the smart sensible pick was Oher, thats all I am saying
Pommylee
Having Oher
last season would not have changed much in the way our offense produced. The injuries and stupid shit would have outweighed his contributions (even if he didn’t play LT). Of course, it would have solved a HUGE problem we still have and given us an extra pick, so to speak, this year.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Completely disagree
Having a player as talented (if inexperienced) as Oher at one of the tackle positions would have made a noticeable difference, IMO.
Our offense was dead in the water with Jones & Heyer. Nothing else mattered b/c they were so bad.
Oher would have changed that.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
He could only play one position at a time
By about week 9 we were done in at least 3 starting OLine spots, if I recall correctly. Fixing one spot wouldn’t have been much of a difference IMO.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Disagree.
We would have gone from three horrible starting linemen to two, perhaps at the most important position on the line.
Agree to disagree.
Fixing one spot wouldn’t have been much of a difference IMO.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
If Oher was a Redskins he would have tore his ACL week 6
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 19, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
It was a vintage year, that’s for sure. I am still amazed at the number of things I saw this year that I have never seen occur on a football field in my entire life of watching the game.
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The kind of stuff I never want to see again....
EVER
That interception/strip/TD still gives me nightmares
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I hope I have forgotten this season
in 3 years. Nothing worth remembering, just like how I’ve conveniently forgotten the Spurrier era (among others)….
It's a pick that should have been spent on OL, not DL
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
shoulda, coulda, woulda
he’s here now. No use cryin’ about it
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Nope, our past mistakes or choices are worth mentioning.
Sorry.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
woth mentioning? sure
wallowing in them, allowing ourselves to be beat down like dogs because of bad decisions in the past? I like to keep it to a minimum
We’re all ‘Skins fans, it’s in our nature to complain about the misadventures Vinny and the Gang have taken us through over the years, but I’m not up in arms about this one too much.
To each his own though.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
It's part of my bigger concern
which is that lately we’ve devoted too many resources to defense (and pass catchers). Haynesworth. Orakpo. Jarmon.
We need to draft more OL, which was the original criticism of taking Jarmon.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I still wholeheartedly approve of the Jarmon pick
We have a wealth of young D-lineman and won’t have to worry about them for a while.
We got a second round player at a discount and now can use that second rounder on a better OL prospect.
Excellent points, Boo
Any criticism of the Jarmon move is based purely on hindsight. Sure, I fault the FFO for not focuing on the OLine, but Jarmon is a steal and you just don’t turn away opportunities like that when they come knocking.
Now we seriously need to start uncovering every stone to build a new line.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Hindsight?
I said it at the time.
I would not have devoted yet another resource to DL.
It’s not hindsight, merely opinion on how to build this roster.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
It still works
as it keeps us getting younger as a team and eliminates the DL as an area of need for years (caveat: going to 3-4 complicates things – part of my “hindsight” comment reasoning). Maybe we trade an older DL guy for a pick or an OLine guy. Who knows what’s going on?
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Man, if we got Okung & Pouncey that would be amazing
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Its kinda neat
just to be able to say “Okung & Pouncey.” But that’s just me…
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Kiper usually hits around 25% of his 1st rounders.
He is one of the top services. He also has insider information so have to take him as seriously as anyone out there. These top draft gurus do go out on a limb at times to differentiate themselves for pub as well. The gurus are shooting for 9 correct in the 1st round. That buys them bragging rights.
So
9 out of 32 makes you a superstar. Woohoo!! Evaluate needs and match needs to available draft pool. Tough way to make a living.
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Talk about a guy
who needs a fun house mirror just to make him look normal…
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Socrates cried himself to sleep trying to figure that out
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I think that Kiper, Claussen, and Theisman are the same person.
Has anyone ever seen any of these guys in the same room at the same time.
Their heads and their mouths would absorb all the air and space in any enclosed area.
Uh OH
Laron is Bust, Rogers didnt pan out
will the Skins get this draft wrong as well?
I think both guys are salvageable
if we put together a defense that plays to their strengths.
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Few DB's strengths
are covering receivers with a 15-30 yard cushion.
Haslett doesn’t have to do anything too radical to make this unit work, I think.
I don't think I've seen a
regular scheme that deployed its DBs that way other than to defend a Hail Mary, so I’m sure you are right that it is not part of a normal DBs’ skill set.
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WP reporting mel kiper of espn thinks its clausen…if they draft that goof ball…
by les boulez bomber on Feb 18, 2010 1:53 PM EST reply actions
I don't think I could take it
if we draft Clausen and keep Portis. I mean, we already have the Hoggetts. How much cross-dressing and man-sausage affinity are we supposed to endure as fans? Never mind that we also must deal with the supposed non-PC nature of our team’s moniker…
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Well
with a QB that’s Prima donna, and a RB that likes to dress up like madonna we’d never run out of stuff to talk about on here.
(Disclaimer: this HHer is NOT for the drafting of limp wristed, egotistical QBs)
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Please Tell
Why would we pick Clausen at 4 when we could trade our second (probably just our 4th) for the last trash ND sent into the league? Brady Quinn was this highly praised coming out, if not more.
The scenario is that
the Shannys’ decide that the overwhelming need is to gain more picks and use Jason to pick up a few. This means we must trade Jason before the draft, not knowing which QBs will be available. Oops, they want Bradford, but he goes to the Rams. Now we have to decide between Clausen, McCoy or Dan Lefevour. Oops, they pick the fag. Could happen….
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I never said we would
I guess you didn’t read the disclaimer….
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
General comment
Not directed at you Rekka.
I gave up guessing awhile ago...
I have absolutely no idea where this franchise is heading or what direction our new front office is going to take come draft day. I don’t care who we pick in this draft as long as shit gets figured out.
Whether that be drafting some o-linemen early in the draft or later, as long as they work out ha.
from usa today—-
fter speaking with coach Mike Shanahan, Jason Campbell believes the plan is for him to stay with the Redskins in 2010.
“[Shanahan] told me that he liked how I’d handled everything over the past couple of years and the whole conversation was real positive,” said Campbell. The Redskins are expected to use a first- and third-round tender on the restricted free agent, which would scare off potential suitors. He remains a good to open 2010 as the starter.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 18, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions
I hope he's right
Campbell deserves another chance more than anyone on the roster. It may be fair to disagree with me on that point but what no one can disagree with is the pull of more pressing needs. I’m on the “no skill positions without first improving the line” mentality.
by SkinsOsTerps on Feb 18, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Also, there's no better alternative
Unless you like Kyle Orton or Matt Moore.
In which case you’d be crazy.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
you can not win in football without controlling the line of scrimmage. control both lines and you will win most games and go deep in the playoffs. control none and you need a lot of turnovers and special team plays and will still finish under 500. i dont care who your qb, rb, wr, secondary or linebackers unless they are not even nfl caliber. they just need to be decent. you can make an argument that one stud, speedy rush linebacker can substitute for one d lineman, but that is about it. the line is called the line because it is the battle line- lol this is not rocket science. make holes to run through, protect the passer and get to the qb!
by les boulez bomber on Feb 18, 2010 6:52 PM EST reply actions
With the way the modern NFL
puts the spotlight on the flashy skill players, this fundamental fact of football is often overlooked.
Article on FA O-linemen
Rick Snider of the Examiner had a sort of sobering article today, noting that there are very few unrestricted FA O-linemen available, and those are fairly old. So we would have to look at restricted FAs, which would mean giving draft choices, which we can’t do. Point being, we may not get any good O-linemen outside the draft (although I don’t know if he was including the small mobile linemen Shanahan is known to like). If that is true, we have to get our O-line in the draft. That, in turn, suggests taking Okung and other O-line guys early. If and only if we got high picks for JC, could we squeeze out a QB.
Precisely
all teams that content frequently know that o-linemen are the backbone of an offense which is why they’re so hard to find in FA and thus why the Redskins were so sorely lacking in them under the philosophy of Generalissimo Vinny.
by SkinsOsTerps on Feb 18, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
there are hardly ever Quality FA O-Linemen available
thats because teams know that when you get a good one keep him, and more importantly the Line is an area where REAL CHEMISTRY is required amongst the 5 positions, so chopping and changin is a problem
IN my opinion if a Linemen comes on the market, you have to really wonder what lead to the team letting him go (injuries/attitude etc)
The draft is where you get linemen, FA is ok for Stats guys, but the draft is the place to get linemen
Pommylee
yup. yup. yup.
Teams don’t let good linemen go. And as Danny spent most of 10 years collecting talent through FA, we don’t have a good line now that Samuels and Jansen are going/gone.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Drafting a QB would be retarded
Drafting one of the DTs while tempting makes me uneasy because I don’t want my starting DTs both being paid monster contracts and eating up a fourth of our cap. I’m really torn between Okung and Berry. Okung is position of need, and could lock down a huge position of need for a decade, but isn’t exactly the surest bet for 4th overall kind money, while Berry is in a position of somewhat need (we don’t have a FS on our roster currently Landry, Horton, Doughty, Moore? All SS’s or shitty FS’s if you want to put it that way), but i’ve seen him play and he really is the real deal. reminds me of ed reed, everytime he touches the ball he could take it to the house and he does everything hit, cover, you name it. if i’m not mistaken he set the NCAA record for most INT return yards in a season during his college career. and the dude played for monte kiffin. no way is he not nfl ready. God i don’t know my heart says Berry, but my mind says Okung. If we draft either one I’ll be happy though…
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 18, 2010 10:36 PM EST reply actions
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