Bills Strong Safety Donte Whitner is a Redskin?
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 12, 2010 10:33 AM EST
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I'm going out on a limb here but a person of note I've met told me Donte Whitner will be a Redskin come the start of free agency. What I find odd about this is that Donte Whitner is a Strong Safety, which is not an area of need (you'd think) with Chris Horton and Reed Doughty. Donte's career stats aren't anything to brag about nor is the fact he was arrested and tasered 10 months ago.
| Career Stats | Tackles | Sacks | Interceptions | Misc | |||||||||||||||||||
| Season | Team | G | Solo | Ast | Total | Sack | YdsL | Int | Yds | IntTD | DefTD | FFum | PD | Sfty | |||||||||
| 2006-07 | Buf | 15 | 67 | 38 | 105 | 0.0 | 0 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0 | |||||||||
| 2007-08 | Buf | 15 | 68 | 21 | 89 | 0.0 | 0 | 1 | 29 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | |||||||||
| 2008-09 | Buf | 13 | 50 | 11 | 61 | 1.0 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | |||||||||
| 2009-10 | Buf | 10 | 42 | 15 | 57 | 0.0 | 0 | 2 | 104 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 0 | |||||||||
| Career | 53 | 227 | 85 | 312 | 1.0 | 13 | 4 | 143 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 12 | 0 | ||||||||||
- First-team All-Big Ten (2005)
- NFL Rookie of the Month (9/06)
- NFL.com All-Rookie Team (2006)
- PFW All-Rookie Team (2006)
Ken and I just had a quick chat about Donte and he added:
"I'm a Donte fan. He is a very good tackler and an exceptional athlete. He was a top draft pick in 2006 and I think he has fallen short of expectations. He is very smart and does a lot of thinking on the field. I am unsure if his disappointing INT production is his fault or the system's. One thing I am sure of: he can hit."
Does this mean he'd be moved to FS or Laron would stay at FS? It's anyone's guess. I am working on a second source now...stay tuned.
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Anything that would move Landry to FS is a horrible thing.
If Whitner can play FS at a high level, then sign him up. It would put us, Eric Berry Lovers, to rest when the #4 pick comes up.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
I'm surprised I haven't gotten any Mike Florio jokes yet....haha
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kidding…def can’t say.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 12, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Imagine if LaRon didn't suck at FS
It would make such a huge difference in our D
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
puzzling doesn't begin to cover it
save that money for a LB or CB. Convert one of our MANY SS to FS if that’s what they’re looking to do.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Ok I just checked
He was the 8th overall pick a few years ago and he’ll only be 25 this July. Maybe with a change of scenery and scheme he can add some value.
Still, their’s really no room for another safety, something’s going to have to give. If all of this is true.
my thing is
He’s a Strong Safety, we’re absolutely loaded on free safeties. If we let Chris Horton or Reed Doughty try at free safety and they don’t make the grade, fine. We still have 2 SS. If we bring this guy in and he doesn’t work out at Free Safety, then we have yet ANOTHER strong safety on our roster.
See what I’m sayin?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
We're trying to corner the market and drive up the price
create a little monopoly maybe? Its all very strange.
maybe
trying to make up for the Adam Archuleta debacle?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Its like that "Hoarders" show on A&E
we were without once, so we’re hoarding safeties so we never have to go without again.
First off, he isn’t even free agent until after the upcoming season, so that means a trade would be required to get him now. In that case, why would you trade for a guy that had 2 picks in a defensive scheme that was second in the NFL in that category. Sure he only played in ten games, so if you’re going to argue that, then you have to look at the less than stellar tackle production. If the Bills trade Whitner they do have guys to work with like George Wilson, who had to step in and play linebacker for them for most of the year, and Bryan Scott who had 81 tackles in just nine games last year. So the Bills do have the freedom to make a move, but for who? Whitner isn’t worth a 4th overall and I’m not so sure he’s worth a 37th overall either and the Redskins don’t really have any guys that the Bills need. Their biggest problem is the offensive line and the Redskins are one of the few teams with a more porous offensive line than the Bills. This is a non-issue. I’d be incredibly shocked to see this happen.
Scott was the one who played linebacker last year. Wilson was FS off and on when Whitner and Jairus Byrd were out.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 15, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Someone will be on the tradig block...
if this happens. Just a matter of “who?”…
I tend to think
A lot will happen, but a plan will be in place which would mean
Signing a SS—>Trading a strong saftey for picks both are already done deals???
none of our SS have significant trade value
certainly none would command a pick in the first three rounds.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
This really is confusing
if it’s true.
Question: Has he ever played Corner??? Maybe they’re moving him to SS, and converting one Horton.
Yes, he has played corner with the Bills
I just saw this thread on cross thead, i’m a Bills fan.
Donte has played some spot corner with the Bills, as you probably know, we have been decimated with injuries while Jauron was here.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 13, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
He was a nickel CB from time to time but never by choice of anyone concerned.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 14, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
As I said played spot corner due to injuries.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 16, 2010 4:34 AM EST up reply actions
Really makes no sense since Whitner isn't a free agent.
He is under contract this year, signed a 5 yr/29M contract in 2006 w/Buf. He is listed as a natural free safety.
Skins have to make a trade with Buffalo to acquire him.
Please do not give up any picks for this guy, he is about to lose his job to George Wilson. Buffalo is purging salary since they are hemorrhaging financially.
Buffalo tried to hire Shanahan, maybe he likes Whitner and used the interview to also get to know Buffalo, so if there were any players he wanted to pluck from us, he already had some dialect twith the Bills FO prior to being hired as Redkins HC.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 13, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Buffalo of course, may just cut him.
The Bills are one of the teams expected to throw players overboard before FA starts.
Cutting a 1st rd pick would not go over well in Buffalo.
They will probably market him to get the best offer they can.
I hope they don’t make a move for him unless he does get cut.
He has corner speed, so he could play FS, but he has been a huge disappointment for them. Not to mention being arrested twice, and the aforementioned ‘tase’ job he deserved.
Just doesn’t seem like a Shanny/Haslett guy.
They have to.
They charge 600/seat for Lower Level Season tickets!! They need to save money.
Not gonna happen.
We sell out every game, if anyone is moving, it is Jacksonville, they struggle for 40,000 in the seats, we haven’t had a blackout for awhile now.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 13, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
I have read that Buffalo has one of the worst....
stadium/owner deals in the league. Almost every team is getting or has gotten a new stadium with Luxury box seats and advantageous tax credits. I have read that the Bills want a new stadium or at least a new deal? I hope for the best for you in Buffalo with the team. A new revenue deal and the new CBA could really hurt the Bills and Wilson.
That may be true, but the stadium is owned free and clear and, while it’s not in the best shape, is still viable. The point about the CBA is precisely why Ralph Wilson was against the last one. And now, hopefully, the rest of the owners have figured that out.
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Actually the best tickets
Are lower level sideline and the 2010 pricing is $80 a game.
And you don’t even need a PSL to pay that.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 13, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he only got arrested once.Overall, he’s been a pretty reliable guy. Certainly not Pacman territory. Or even Marshawn.
I’m not sure about him being a “huge disappointment”. He probably hasn’t been worth his draft pick, but then again we drafted him earlier than he was projected anyway (sigh). If I were you, and the Redskins picked him up, I wouldn’t be disappointed. I don’t know what your current safety situation is, but if you’re in the market for a solid starting SS, you’re probably getting a good deal.
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Buffalo of course, may just cut him.
I would be very surprised, I am sure there would be several teams that would give a 3rd for him and some that would give a very late 1 or 2, he is still young and has experience and still has room to improve.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 13, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Please do not give up any picks for this guy, he is about to lose his job to George Wilson. Buffalo is purging salary since they are hemorrhaging financially.
Buffalo isn’t hemorrhaging financially. It is profitable, the tv contract split equally insures that. They just make lower profits, since the profits usually come from gate and licensed products. Buffalo can’t charge as much at the gate, and the sell less licensed merchandise than bigger markets, but they still pull a profit.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 13, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of reports that Buffalo...
is in bad financial shape along with Jax and Cin. The Bills will be devastated if the owners change their revenue sharing agreement, which seems likely. I have read multiple reports that if the revenue sharing changes and without a new stadium, Wilson will have to sell.
It’s not that they are in bad financial shape, just small markets.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 14, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson won’t sell until he’s dead. He has no reason to. He is an original owner and has made his investment a thousand times over.
The owners are talking about doing away with a 100M dollar revenue sharing agreement. That averages to be something like 10M for the ten hardest hit teams financially. Is 10 million dollars going to significantly reduce the Bills ability to sign players? I doubt it.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 14, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Buffalo is purging salary since they are hemorrhaging financially.
Since when?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 14, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Since 06, when the CBA was renegotiated.
Reports are that Wilson lost substantial dollars since the recession started.
L.A. is getting a new franchise very soon, it looks like either Buffalo or Jacksonville.
by johnnydee83 on Feb 14, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
He voted against the current CBA, true, but that doesn’t mean he’s losing money.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 15, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
You seem like you are closer to their situation.
I think Buffalo is a great football town. Hope everything works out for all Bills’ fans.
I am just stating what I have heard and read. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and Buffalo is smoking like Three-Mile Island. We’ll find out when free agency starts, but all indications are that Buffalo is having a rather large yard-sale.
“All indications”? The Bills were up against the salary cap last year. What smoke are you talking about?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 16, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Multiple reports that the franchise cannot sustain itself...
without significant changes in the CBA, and their stadium deal. If the league decides to split revenues differently, as seems very likely, Wilson will have to sell. There would be interested prospective owners, but only if they move the franchise. I am not aware of anyone that would keep the team in Buffalo without a new stadium. It is not a secret, Jacksonville and then Buffalo will need major help from the league to keep their franchises. There are half a dozen teams in trouble as well, but not as much as those two. L.A. has been promised a new franchise, and they will have a new stadium by 2012.
Has all hope for Landry at FS been thrown out the door?
I really have no idea what the possibility of him coming here means but if we’re getting any safety from buffalo it should be Jarius Bird.
If this move is true, I don’t like it from an outsiders perspective. I’m a huge Horton fan and still have faith that Landry can step his game up at FS. I know he got burnt alot this past season but when he learns to play under control and discipline he will become pro bowl caliber.
Keep Horton and Doughty at SS, keep Landry at FS and bring in another FS to compete with him.
This just confuses me all to hell.
if we’re getting any safety from buffalo it should be Jarius Bird
HAHAHAHA. No deal.
On the plus side, Whitner does have versatility. That and his intelligence are his main drawing points. Whitner, in his time in BUF, has played SS, FS, and nickel CB. He’s had a few injuries and won’t be incredible anywhere, but he’ll be above average pretty much wherever you put him. I’m more of a Whitner fan than a lot of the Bills fans you’ll see, and I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves. He’s not the interception machine that everybody loves to see, but he’s a solid tackler and a smart player with decent speed.
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We only need a FS, or a shut down corner.
In the secondary that is.
by johnnydee83 on Feb 14, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm curious to give Landry one more shot
Maybe a new coach can put him a better position to succeed.
He’s under contract for 2 more years.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
why have his tackles gone down year after year?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
missed 2 in his first two years
3 in ’08, 6 this year.
1) He didn’t miss that much in his first few years, but there was still a decline.
2) What injury is he coming off of this year?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
only thing we can
do is pray that this is from Florio’s source in Denmark.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Donte can play
I am as intrigued by this move as many of you, but I wonder how alone I am in my interest in seeing what a Whitner/Landry safety tandem is capable of (besides getting beaten deep by DeSean Jackson twice a game.)
No matter how solid Doughty and Horton are, I think Whitner is an undeniable upgrade for us. Landry and Whitner in the defensive backfield is better than Landry and either Doughty or Horton. The issue is that we have been inconsistent and spotty at safety for the last couple years.
I welcome the addressing of this issue from the front office, and we shall see I suppose…
If anyone is looking for a connection between Jim Haslett and Donte Whitner, here it is:
They both played defense for the Buffalo Bills. Not sure how that ranks as far as “connections” go, but it is something.
Replacing Horton/Doughty doesn't solve this problem
The issue is that we have been inconsistent and spotty at safety for the last couple years.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Horton has undeniable value for the skins. Lots of bang for little buck.
I would be suprised to see him go, whether it be through trade or let go.
Acquiring Whitner would have to come by trade anyway. I can’t find anything else on the Skins acquiring this guy. Someone needs to go back to the source and ask more questions.
actually exacerbates it
maybe I missed something with this guy, but he’s never been on my radar before. Did he tear it up in college or something?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Great prospect out of college
Hasn’t exactly lit the league on fire
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Most Bills fans will tell you
He was a reach at #8, many would have rather hat Haloti Ngata. Whitner was projected as a late first to second rd pick, If he had been picked there, most Bills fans wouldn’t have issues with him, but at #8 with Ngata avalable, it was reach, and xtra painful considering how horrid our run defense has been.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 13, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe
If we got a 2nd in this draft I’d be happy. Any less, I’d be unhappy, but not heartbroken.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 16, 2010 4:38 AM EST up reply actions
Whitner
Is a very interesting prospect for the reason that the guy is an amazing athlete. With the right coaching, him and Landry could be the top safety tandem in the league because they are both ball-hawking, good tackling (when not whiffing on a hit), and unbelievably fast. If we coach them up good, I think we’d have something amazing.
So we'd double down on athletic safeties who lack discipline/savvy?
No thanks.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I see
nothing in this guy’s stats that would lead me to believe that he is a ballhawk
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
He’s not, but he is a solid hardworking player, good tackler. Just not spectacular. Can be used as a nickel corner and provide solid run support from that position because of his athleticism.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 13, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
George Catavolos isn’t a good coach? Whitner is a mediocre player.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 14, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
If there's one thing Donte Whitner isn't
it’s a ball hawk. Just because you heard it somewhere doesn’t mean it’s true. He’s got 4 INTs in 4 years. He is a good tackler – I guess, he doesn’t really stand out or make big tackles, but he also regularly gets trucked by running backs.
by twoeightnine on Feb 15, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don't follow Twitter
But, I think I was able to locate some “Tweets” by Whitner.
Again don’t quote me on this but if what I found is true than he has said that the rumor is not true and he would find it insulting to play for the Skins instead of the Bills. I’m looking for confirmation of this from someone else.
Yea, but BUFFALO?
I can see most of the teams in the league, but when a guy would be EMBARASSED to leave BUFFALO to go to Washingotn DC? That’s really BAD!!!!!!
you're not talking about this are you?
http://twitter.com/DONTEWHITNER
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
yeah that's the link
Am i an idiot for starting that?
honestly
I have no clue how twitter works.
You kids and your damn gadgets. I don’t know if ChrisHallUK is saying that to Donte, or if Donte is saying that to ChrisHallUK
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I don't use it all and I'm not really a kid
In fact I might be older than you or maybe not. I have the same question about who is talking to who.
I said the kids thing jokingly
if you had to ask that question, more likely than not you’re older than me lol
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Yeah..... I know
I’m still hoping your older than me though.
I honestly
have no clue of who’s saying what to who.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I’m only turning 23 next friday.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Twitter is a mystery to me
seems like older people LOVE it though. All of those guys in the media are on twitter 24/7.
I guess I will have to lob the first one here Kevin...
How was the cafeteria at the Florio School of Reporting? Were the parties fun, or did everyone just “say” they were fun? Were the girls hot…or did you just hear a blind guy say they could be hot and pass it on as a confirmed fact?
This is like the Star-Trek episode where the crew......
was transported to an Alternate Universe where everything and everyone apppeared the same, but was exactly opposite.
Have Shanahan and Allen turned back into Zorn and Cerrato???
Don’t tell me we are stuck in GroundHOG Day!!!!!
Skins are turning into the Texans with this staff.
New strength coach, from Houston where else?
Signed a kicker from Canadien league also.
Justin Medlock, 26, is the kicker.
Left footed kicker signed by KC in the 5th rd in 06.
Long of 52 in Canada last season, but very bad NFL career.
Can’t hurt to bring him in.
The only way I see this working
is if Landry is moving to SS, which he should, since he excels against the run, but falters against the pass. Of course, Blache stuck him back there for two years playing the Sean Taylor position without noting that Landry ISN’T SEAN TAYLOR! He’s not the type of safety who can play 30 yards off the ball and be expected to do well. How many of those actually exist?
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They're going to move him to CB
Just a hunch, but I asked that question earlier in the post and “The Buffalo Kid” replied that he has played CB. So, my theory, is that he’s either replacing or challenging Rogers at CB, or replacing Smoot at Nickel.
I'd be scared of your CBs then.
No, not as a player but as a fan. If you’re lining Whitner up at CB you’re f’ed in the a.
by twoeightnine on Feb 15, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Not even Nickel???
He’s got to be an improvement over Fred Smoot.
for the love of all that's holy
please let this not happen (trading draft picks for ANY player this free agency)
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
the tsaring
caused the NFL Ch to pull a public service ad featuring Whitner it ran at least once an hour
Hello???
I questioned if he played any Corner and someone replied that he did. It would make more sense for the Redskins to convert him to a corner or Nickelback than to play him at FS where we’re already set.
Calm your tone. Geez.
Yes. He’s played all 3. He’s done nickel CB sparingly (due to injury) but has done decently when he’s been there. Mostly been at SS, but has also done FS. One big problem for him is that he hasn’t been able to get situated at a single position and stay there. He starts at SS, he gets bumped over to play FS due to injury. He starts at FS, he gets injured and bumped out by Byrd, who looks like the second coming of Night Train Lane. But he always stays in the lineup unless he’s injured.
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Donte
The kid is a joke. Always talking sh*t via twitter, making no impact durring games, and getting hurt year after year. There is a reason we might trade him he just isn’t anything more than a back-up S that can play nickle CB (not every good CB at that). As a tOSU fan I was SHOCKED we took him at 8. He makes no plays, is a avg. tackler, he is just avg. at everything. Bryd had more picks his 1st 3 games starting at FS than Donte has had in 3 years. G.Wilson (a former WR) played lights out a SS this year moving little Donte to the pine where he belongs. Would I take him as a back-up S, yea sure, starter, I’d fell bad.
That's what I think to.
From other reports I am reading.
by johnnydee83 on Feb 14, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Could he replace Fred Smoot?
That’s all I care to know.
You can have him
I would be thrilled if the bills would get a 4th rounder for this guy. He’s a bum he has never been the player the bills thought he would be. You would be better off without him. He’ll make enough plays to warrant a shot and whenever he gets one he blows the oppurtunity.
well, my 2nd source said there is no evidence of it...
Which is why I put a question mark on the original story. I am not one just to post random rumors, this one had some legs which I think merits the talks. Supposedly he was house shopping in DC on top of that rumor.We’ll see I guess.
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He’s apparently already living in D.C.
Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Links.
Whitner confirms he’s living in D.C.
Whitner calls this rumor a “bad rumor”
Whitner calls this rumor “NOT TRUE”
Whitner re-tweets this very post
Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Brian
Yea, I had heard from a source he was living here, and I went through the real estate database, but no houses came up with his name on it. (purchased at least).
It’s all very bizarre to me.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 15, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
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