Has JC ruined his chances? Did he really have a chance to begin with?

I don’t really watch much college football except from time to time when a team that one of my friends are on may be playing so I usually just hope for the best. But for the most part I have been pleased with what Jason has shown. I’m sure that if he were with Gibbs a bit longer there would possibly be a completely different JC.

We drafted campbell right rogers. If we had just traded for a higher pick we could have gotten rogers. Rogers was a complete steal for the packers. The 49ers were debating b/w him and smith with the first overall pick. Gawd that pisses me off so much.

Since I have so much free time right now due to all of the snow around here I figured I would try to show everyone what the real deal with Jason is. I’ve seen so many different opinions being thrown around, some as if they were actual facts, and some of them have been insane. There was someone on another site that I used to go on that stated that Mark Sanchez has played better in his rookie season than Campbell has played in his entire career thus far. And they actually believed that to be true lol.

But thanks a lot, its nice to see that there are some that see my point of view. I’m sure that Shanny can bring out a part of Jason that he didn’t even know he had in him. It’s kind of eerie how Jason put up the numbers that he did with an obliterated O-line and Zorn. So under a great proven HC that we know has a system that has been successful I know Jason can be.

And I do agree with you 100% on everything. QB’s do need to be adaptive to their surroundings even though it may be hard. But for him it’s something like a fresh water fish trying to adapt to salt water. It can probably be done but it is going to hard hard as heck. I know that probably wasn’t the best comparison but I got a small laugh out of it. But you are right. Once the coaching staff fully evaluates him they will have a better idea of if he can fit into their plans or not, and they are going to see some things that us as fans probably haven’t even thought of. I’m sure that one of the reasons that Campbell hasn’t gotten an extension yet has something to do with Snyder though. As hard as they tried to replace him in the previous off-season and then the team actually does worse despite Campbell doing better probably has something to do with it. As you said there is a reason behind everything.

As much as I would love for them to keep Campbell, if they do decide to part with him then you are right, doing it now is the time. Might as well get a pick for him.

That is one reason that I have so much respect for Campbell. Everything that he has dealt with since becoming a Redskin, especially within the last season, and he has handled it so professionally. There are plenty of players that haven’t even gone through close to half of what JC has and they began acting childish over it. Cutler is the perfect example. The new coach just pretty much looks at another QB and boom he goes off. The Redskins try their hardest to replace Campbell and he still acts professional.

As much as I would prefer for Campbell to stay I agree. If Shanahan truly believes that one of the QB’s in the draft would be better in the long run then they should grab one and we can get something for Campbell. If that were to happen I would hope that they still get some linemen as well.

I have been pulling for Campbell ever since he became a starter so I wish him well, whether he remains here or not. But I highly doubt that a rookie will perform better. There are too many puzzle pieces that need to fit. All the successful rookie QB’s already pretty much had an offense and/or solid defense. Ryan, Flacco, and Sanchez. We saw how Stafford performed with a whole lot still needing to be fixed around him.

The article is on Yahoo sports. All just guesswork.

After free agency and the draft a firmer basis could be used to assess the Skins versus other teams. I don’t see an 8-8 or 9-7 record for 2010 being that far out of line. Super Bowl is another story as also is play offs.

There have been a few people on here that I have seen say that JC is good before. Not a whole lot, but I have seen a few. The only one I have seen say that he was excellent is LJP lol. Most of what I have seen have said he is average, which he is at this point. But I have seen a few say that he would be good. Me being one of them, he just needs some actual consistency in my opinion. Do I expect him to turn into a HOF QB or anything near? No I do not but we can win with him. For your fun exercise give me some kind of scenario of these equal circumstances, I’d be able to guess a bit better. Without knowing what type of circumstances they are under I would just have to say still middle of the pack like he is now. As far going for someone with more promise I am all for it because I want our team to be the best. I just don’t feel that right now is the time. If we were to bring in a new younger QB I would want to basically take a page out of the Jets, Falcons, and Ravens book and already have some pieces in place for them. Especially the O-line. We do not need a rookie behind that O-line. Don’t get me wrong I already know that there is always going to be some kind of need for improvement for a team but as you know some needs are more important than others. We don’t need to have a new signal caller with an O-line that performed like ours did this past season.

If that was the case then almost every offense would look somewhat the same. Does his history suggest he will pick it up well? IMHO it’s somewhat hard to say just because of the Zorn era. His system already seemed pretty dull and predictable, especially the first year. Maybe it was the actual system or just his poor play calling, I don’t know. We didn’t see too many new things until Sherman Lewis came in, began calling plays, and then also adjusted some of the plays. But I would say he would be able to pick up a good amount of it. He does have a lot of work to, but I don’t think you should really use CP as a reliable source of information at this point. He is taking shots at a bunch of people for no apparent reason, unless it happened recently he still hasn’t even been cleared for physical activities because of his concussion, and most of all he didn’t even do anything this past season so he is really in no situation to be taking shots at people the way he has. He didn’t even have respect for Zorn and didn’t want to do anything which was show cased partially by his performance. Not to mention that after he took shots at JC many other Redskins players began taking shots at Portis. But back to JC. Your right, JC does tend to hold onto the ball longer than he should and all of those sacks weren’t on the O-line. But the majority of them were. I remember in one of the games the opposing defense basically had a 3 man rush and JC was sacked on a 3-step drop. Thats very sad. I’m honestly not sure as to how his footwork is but considering the amount of scrambling first downs he was able to get I don’t think it was that bad. But he definitely does have to get better at seeing the feild

Lets go ahead and say that neither of them were treated bad. I would honestly say that they both were but lets just agree to disagree right there. The only real difference between Cutlers situation and JC’s that I remember are that theirs a different coach and as you said Cutler was coming off of a great season. New coach comes in and wants his own guy at QB. Isn’t that something that is pretty common in the NFL? True it makes it worse that McDaniels was a rookie HC at the time but its normal. But basically McDaniels came in, wanted Cassel since he already knew what he was about since he had worked with him, so he tried to trade cutler to acquire Cassel. Cutler finds out and obviously he isn’t happy about that, and then there goes all of the drama that was in the media. Cutler made it publicly known that he wanted out so then of course teams in need of a QB chased (including our skins). Earlier when you had said that Cutler was better and I disagreed. When I think about it I think they are about the same actually. I don’t have much evidence to throw out there to help that argument though. The only thing that I can suggest even close to that is to compare how he played in Denver to how he played his first year in Chicago. New team and new system right so he didn’t completely look like the same QB. and look at who his HC was when he was in Denver. Now look at who JC’s head coach was. Who do you think would coach up a better QB? A proven offensive minded coach like Shanahan or a rookie coach like Zorn who has only had QB coach experience? And finally do I think that JC’s value will be higher than Cutler’s? Honestly no. Cutler has already been to a Pro Bowl and as you mentioned earlier, Cutler had a big year before he was traded. Those two things would obviously bump his value up. I think JC’s will be high but not as high as Cutler’s. I have read about a few teams that do supposedly have interest in JC. As a matter of fact I had read a few times that there were some teams willing to make an offer for JC last season when the Redskins were trying to trade him.

Mr.Snyder. After going back and forth with you the past few days, I have to say that it somewhat pains me to say that I agree with you right now. Of course it is to an extent because there are some things that I don’t agree with but overall I do agree……which kind of scares the crap out of me right now. Defenses did play relaxed against us. Was it all because of JC? No I do not believe it was. The offense as a whole was struggling for most of the year. There is no need to be afraid of a struggling offense. And defenses blitzed us like crazy because they knew they would get penetration, so of course JC didn’t have time to go through all of his reads due to pressure so bam, short pass to the TE or RB. And last but not least, I don’t think we are making excuses. Our offense sucked this year mainly because of the O-line situation, plane and simple. Thats no excuse. All of the different system changes can somewhat be argued. Would that hinder a QB’s development? Definitely but there are some things that a QB has to do in all systems. And I do agree that if he is let go his career will be better with a different team. (Oh my goodness I think I’m going to be sick).

But with the way that you worded everything there was no misunderstand. And there are different versions of the west coast offense but for the most part yes it is suppose to emphasize a short, horizontal passing attack. All of the short passes are supposed to open up opportunities for the big plays. My main question when it comes to this is exactly how valid was Zorn’s version? The offense started to come alive when Sherman Lewis came in and began altering some plays and doing the play calling. I still want Campbell to stay because I think he can up his game under Shanahan, but if he is let go I think he will do better on a different team. Especially if it is a team that uses him to his skill set. He isn’t really meant to be a west coast offense QB. But I think he would do well under Shanahan because his version involves heavy running which would somewhat open up more opportunities for Campbell.

And thats another thing that makes everything a bit confusing. Zorn’s offense didn’t really seem like a west coast style at all. We had no idea of what to expect from his offense at all since he wasn’t even an offensive coordinator. And I was surprised at myself for liking what I heard from Portis, especially after everything he has been involved with lately. If he is starting to sound positive hopefully positivity is coming.