Collection of Nose Tackle Ma'ake Kemoeatu's Suckiness (Pictures)
With the Wizards having a West Coast late start vs the Kings and the Terps easily cruising over UNCG, I decided to watch the Redskins massacre at the Meadowlands again. Several things jumped off the tape: missed tackles, dropped balls, and Ma'ake Kemoeatu's inability to do anything. I mean, the Redskins are seriously playing 10 on 11 with him on the field. I've been beating this drum since pre-season, but it's frickin week THIRTEEN and still the Redskins are sticking with this model.
Missed tackles: Reed Doughty and Kevin Barnes each had one on Jacobs late rushing TD. Kareem Moore had one in the backfield on the Giants first drive that went for a huge gain. Rocky also whiffed on that play.
QB: As bad as the stats were turnover-wise, the Giants dropped two additional interceptions (one a tipped ball and another a horrible pass where #5 never saw the CB). McNabb also never saw open WRs, a problem that plagued Campbell.
Dropped balls: Armstrong, Cooley, Fred Davis, Mike Sellers. The Sellers one was real tough to watch since he was WIDE open and there was no one in front of him as far as the eye could see. Do you want to know why we have so few 3rd down conversions? Dropped balls.
Offensive line: Jammal Brown did a decent job against Tuck all game. Trent Williams was in obvious pain and Heyer played A LOT more than I remember. Jason Paul-Pierre and Osi had their way Stephon most of the day. It was real tough to watch.
Defensive Line: If anyone should be suspended the last 4 games, it should be Ma'ake Kemoeatu. After the jump is a collection of still shots I took from throughout the game. Kemo CONSISTENTLY was getting manhandled by just the Center or Guard. It was rare for him to see a second blocker, but when he did, he was on the turf. The Redskins were primarily a 3-4 in the first half. The second half I didn't see a single 3-4 set (there were a few disguised 4-5 fronts that turned 3-4, but they never showed it). Almost every play the Redskins rushed 4 or 5 and the results were MUCH better. The Giants, who were still very much trying, had trouble rushing and passing and only scored 10 points in the 2nd half. Six of the eight Giants' second half possessions they punted (four of those drives were three and outs). Hey, I have an idea: STICK WITH IT. Here are some pictures and captions from the game.
I'm not sure why Kemo hits the ground so much. Perhaps he's in BlackOps training where he can crawl his way to the QB faster.
More pics after the jump...
No, that's not Albert Haynesworth. That's your Nose Tackle on all fours. Look at the other Giants' Guard looking for someone else to block. Sad. I should say Kemo does give effort on plays out there, he's just flat out ineffective in a 3-4.
This play really is something to watch in motion. Jacobs steamrolls both Doughty AND Kemoeatu. As Jacobs hits Reed, Kemo has still yet to take on contact. For some reason, he just falls as if he was shot in the leg, but in live motion, it looks like he's rolling over both.
With a single NYG blocker (the Center), Kemo is pushed straight back as Bradshaw hits the LOS. Kemo was 400 lbs a year ago, so it's clear he should spend his off-season with Phillip Daniels working on his legs.
This is a run play (Jacobs has the ball at the LOS in the middle of the screen) where the Giants entire line shifted to their right. Look at Kemo! He looks like he got hit by a train! He's a full 5 yards left of his original NT spot from one blocker. The LG is engaged with Golston and that leaves a racing Kevin Barnes to have to deal with tackling him, which of course he does not. TD. Hold your gaps fellas.
I have to throw Heyer under the bus here. Look at the jump Osi got off the snap. Heyer is still in his stance and Osi easily got around the edge to cause a sack/fumble.
Why do we continue to push the 3-4 with Kemo? It's week 13 and nothing has changed.
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I was really hoping for some sort of graph or chart that you have drawn in this post...
At least there were no creepy reflections of the E bagg in his underwear like last time.
Are you sure the Osi shot wasn't a false start or soemthing
I mean in Heyer’s defense the other 4 players in the picture are also in their stance.
Heyer was actually moving in this pic...
From the side view it looked clean to me.
One thing that did piss me off….the refs missed some BLATANT calls…on one Orakpo, who had to contain the edge, got clearly pushed in the back. On another rush on the edge, he got held (in that typical Rak pose with his arms flaring upwards).
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Hopefully by year 3 'Rak will
have enough of a reputation that he’ll start getting all of these holds called. I just worry that the holds are keeping his numbers down so much that he won’t get that national reputation that Ware and others have.
That's funny how you say Orakpo was being held all game long
but that Jammal Brown did a decent job on Tuck. We were screaming all game long for holding calls on Brown against Tuck. Two different perspectives on the same plays I guess.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 9, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
he def wasnt being held all game..
I only saw 1 blatant one. Phillip Daniels said he got held a couple times, but you expect that. I don’t recall any blatant ones on Jammal Brown. He got called for the hands to the face and well, most of the time i was staring at our NT doing face down snow angels.
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this is just horrible
I was so wrong with this pickup. At the beginning of the year I thought Ma’ake was a decent addition. But soon after I realized he was going to be our number one DT/NT and I shat myself.
As far as the online goes, Brown is definitely still hurting. He’s playing okay, which gives me hope if he’s playing decent while still being injured. But the problem (minus the pure sucking by our guards and center) is the lack of cohesiveness. I watched playbook last night on NFL network and they broke down the Giants game. The stunts that the Giants ran totally threw Brown and Montgomery off. When an o-line whose had more than a year to gel would of been able to see that and adjust.
We need help at a lot of positions. But mostly at the guard and center spot.
It'll be interesting to watch Tampa's OLine this week
They’ve moved their Guard over to Center and they have 2 rookies starting at the Guard positions. Haslett should have a field day.
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I’m surprised it hasn’t happened where a QB keeper hasn’t steamrolled Kemo.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 9, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
This is one reason why I was against our shift to the 3-4
it just doesn’t work without a stud NG. Sure, it seemed like a great thought to get Orakpo outside in the 3-4, but we were doing that anyway in the 4-3 and the 3-4 doesn’t work for any other position on our defense. It was silly from the start.
That, and football is better when more large men have their hands in the dirt.
You had the balls
to watch this again???
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I was actually laughing a lot.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 9, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
He was too drunk to remember just how bad it was
and I’m assuming he was at least buzzed for the replay.
I hope the value is there in the first and second round
to pickup a NT and C that can start. I kind of like where Jammal Brown is at right now. His trade right now looks like decent value and the longer he plays and healthier he gets the more value we get out of that trade. Hopefully Mike Williams will be back next year and get plugged into guard. But there is no doubt we need a NT and C in the first 2 rounds. They will make a huge difference.
I have doubts about Mike Williams
I love his effort and I hope he can contribute but is he quick and athletic enough to zone block?
I've heard nothing but praise about his foot speed
it was his conditioning that was a problem during his weight loss campaign.
not sure why you feel this way
he’s played poorly this season and splits time with Stephon Heyer.
Have whatever optimism about Brown’s future health that you would like, but Brown has been pretty useless this year.
I kind of like where Jammal Brown is at right now
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Not really
You need to stop listening to reporters who are looking to make a name for themselves with every “end of the world” headline. He’s looked very good at times and not so good at other times. Many people including me think that his hip injury isn’t fully recovered. In fact, the recovery time for his injury is known to have a wide range of time. Given his position, I’m willing to give him the latitude on the amount of time he needs. If you watch him on film from this year it does look like the hip is bothering him at times, but the couple of times he was asked about it that I can find, he said that it wasn’t really bothering him. I know I read once this year where he said it was bothering him. I’m very optimistic that he will get more range back at turning his hips, which is what seems to be the issue.
The Giants IMO have maybe the best d-line in the NFL and I’m not going to worry about comparing them until the 3rd year in for Shanahan.
you need to stop assuming that I don't watch every play and replay ones when necessary
I haven’t seen Brown play well.
And John Keim, who writes extensively about the play of individual linemen, has had rough grades for Brown week in and week out.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
One wish
I just wish the Redskins can ‘press’ the RESET button, this has been a headache from the start!
Again, ‘why’ change the “D” scheme if it was never broke to begin with? Is it b/c the 3-4 scheme is the flavor of the month?
SMH!
good pics and good points
All the 3-4 experts say that the key position is NT and now we have indisputable proof that you can’t take any DT and make him a NT – it just doesn’t work. A true NT needs to be able to handle 2 blockers every down and ours is getting mauled by 1 guy.
Now the big question (for someone who really closely watches the college players): Is there a true NT in the draft class or are there just DT’s who would struggle in the same way?
Ma'ake was a true NT
at one point in his career. The problem is that he has sucked since his (major) injury.
Yes, he's never been the same
Strange, because he seemed to be very enthusiastic and hopeful, and he had been good at one time. He and Brown illustrate how devastating some injuries can be.
Should they try Bryant at NT?
He can’t be worse than Kemo. By the way, you can imagine the frustration of Haslett (and MS) when they discovered that AH couldn’t or wouldn’t play NT. Shanahan must have been counting on it. And the big oaf (AH) threw a monkey wrench into his great plan. They should try Bryant at NT, although it would be far better and more sensible to just start using the 4-3 all the time (although, without Albert, it wouldn’t be as effective). They still need a lot of parts to make the 3-4 work – too many to get next year if they also want to beef up the O-line, WRS and RBs.
I think they over-reacted to AH’s antics – could have just ignored them. Did it occur to Mike that Albert might actually have been sick Thursday? I know how bad one can feel with the flu.
yeah, not much to lose at this point
In reality aren’t we in the player evaluation mode now anyway?
Bryant got some looks as well and didn't fare much better
The point is when you have 3 guys that get zero pass rush, corners can’t hold their assignments for more than 3 seconds…especially in a zone defense….so evrn Shane Matthews could pick us apart. Kemo and Daniels next to each other did OK.
Vonnie Holliday saw some NT and he did OK, but he couldn’t do it every down. (obviously)
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 9, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
so the 3-4 will suck for the rest of the year
and until we get a real 3-4.
That would be absolutely f**king beautiful.....
other than beating Dallas that would be the highlight of the season. Could you imagine??….We suspend Albert for the year, and the very next week switch back to the 4-3 exclusively!! I love it!!
dear god I hope Shanahan wasn't this naive
Shanahan must have been counting on it.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
3-4 or 4-3
First, everybody here knew, or should have known we didn’t have the talent to be a playoff or superbowl contender this year.
Second, the 3-4 can be a very effective scheme for confusing QBs and bringing pressure when the right personnel are in the system.
So, the long term plan is to go with the 3-4 and bring in personnel to fit the system. If that’s the long term plan, then there is no reason to waste time with the 4-3 this year when we aren’t competing for anything in the first place. Get the players familiar with the 3-4 scheme so that when we bring in the key pieces to the 3-4 puzzle everybody is on the same page.
I’m fine with it. I’m not a win now fairweather fan. I can see the long term vision here and I’m fine with it.
I agree with most of that.....
We are going through changes and it is going to take some time,serious growing pains….some necessary, some not. But change was needed so I am also willing to wait and see how it pans out. However I do believe we have the talent to have been a playoff contender this year (Superbowl? noooooo). Big if’s…..iIF we had stayed in the 4-3, with the corners playing up on the line, and Landry back in his true position. IF we had started Torrain #1 and Portis as a 3rd down back. IF we had come out with AA and BB on our original roster, IF Portis, Torrain, Landry, T.Williams, Rogers all didn’t go down with injury….we would be in the playoff picture…….But thats not where we are, or where we need to be….we are in a time of change, and I think we will be ok…in three years.
Win Now
It’s not about being a win now fairweather fan, it’s about being CONSISTANT in bringing in a winning attitude.
The base 4-3 had brought in results, and the organization didn’t have the personnel to tinker with a 3-4 scheme! When you ‘force feed’ the scheme to players, take a look at the end results, AH isn’t a NT so now they wanted to force him to become one. Dre Carter isn’t a OLB b/c of coverage issues. RAK even though he’s young you can at least work with him to get him going into the mix!
I feel these changes are always in a ‘knee-jerk’ reaction, and things tend to blow up in the face!
Kevin
You probably could have done a video of every redskin that played in that Giants game and come up with 4-5 highlights or snap shots that made them look awful. The players suck, and Kemo is jus one of many sucking it up. It takes an entire team to lose as bad as they did.
Heyer
Has been playing on the right side of the line all-season. He was player of the game at RG just a couple weeks ago. He was playing completely out of position at LT. And frankly aside from the false start and that sack, he performed admirably from what I can tell. Two plays are all you have to bash him on. For some reason folks love to bash Heyer, the only guy on our line who plays every single OL position for this team! It sucks he had to play LT, but he did “okay” given that he had to move from the right side to the left side on the fly.
Heyer played LT pretty much most of the year last season. It’s not like we put him at Center. That play he gave up was a sack/fumble. Not exactly a meaningless sack. Heyer definitely did OK besides that…although he had a false start on a 3rd and 2 that pushed us back and we failed to convert that 3rd. Go ahead…keep defending him. I find it funny.
I agree he’s out of position…he told me himself he’s most comfortable at RT.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 9, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I believe Heyer's natural position is LT
But in his rookie season, he had to move to RT because Samuels was our guy there. Plus when we let go of Jansen, he had to fill in that roll.
So the whole “he’s playing out of position” excuse isn’t cutting. As a tackle, he sucks, period.
You are wrong
We did not draft Heyer to play LT, period.
Heyer wasn’t even drafted.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 9, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I strongly disagree. I think Heyer has been bad at RT.
If I had to rate his play this year as awful, bad, average, good, or great, I definitely choose bad.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Clearly you haven't been watching him play
Except when his name is called by the announcers. His name has been inaccurately called by the announcers on penalties and sacks numerous times this season, which has shaped peoples opinions. I’ve taken it to the level of watching him in slow mo on nearly every running and passing play, and 98% of the time he’s doing a great job. Go back and watch some film.
I've watched every snap and I rewatch many plays when something bad happens
But I appreciate you telling my opinion doesn’t count.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Your expectations are too high
You clearly expect perfection from a guy that’s been asked to play 3 different offensive line positions this year. Your expectations should be tempered when your fill-in roll playing O-lineman makes a couple bad plays at LT against the Giants. I’m sure the list of LTs who have given up sacks and fumbles to the Giants is a long one.
I expect a starter to not suck. He largely sucks.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
This is getting back to the JC types of arguments we used to have
It’s tough to rate our linemen with so many injuries and people playing in different positions. At OLine you need stability as much as anything else. We went with a whole new blocking scheme and 2-3 new players and lineups a game due to injuries. Other than center, I think our adjusted play hasn’t been too sucky – but definitely hard to watch. They did play well against the Titans in a mixed bag formation and for stretches against other teams. What is lacking is consistency of the positive kind.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
How many sacks has heyer given up at RT?
On top of that how much higher is our rushing average to the right side than the left?
Heyer has nothing to do with that though I guess.
run blocking:
We run off RT 11% of the time and Right End 18%
LT 12% and LE 24%
Here are the adjusted line yards per play:
LE 3.5
LT 4.3
RT 4.0
RE 4.5
So no, I don’t see anything terribly special about the right side when RT is taken into account.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Am I reading that right?
We rank 11th in the league when running to the right, 25th when running to the left and THIRTY-FIRST when running up the middle?!
Yeah I’m still sticking with Center as the biggest need in the draft, followed closely by NT.
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yeah, 11th off right end, 17th off RT
I agree with you about a center though.
Love Rabach, but he’s too much of a physical liability, no matter how good he is at calling protection
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
The 2009 Football Outsiders versus 2010 for the Skins: run blocking performance.
left end……left tackle……center/guard…..right tackle…..right end
ALY rank….ALY rank……ALY rank……..ALY rank……..ALY rank
26 WAS ……….3.19..28…….3.95..20………4.30..9………4.60..5………3.13..27……2009
25 WAS ……….3.51..25…….4.31..16………3.12..31……..4.00..17…….4.45..11……2010
ALY = average line yards
The Skins’ running blocking performance at center/guard and right tackle has dropped off in ALY and NFL rank considerably. Change on the left has improved but not greatly; where as blocking right end has improved a lot.
by Jefferson1935 on Dec 10, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Heyer is horrible anywhere
I will say though that the Titans game, when they slid him over to right guard and Montgomery at center, that actually worked pretty well against a very good defense. Don’t know why these “offensive guru’s” can’t see it too
So because he was forced to play out of position last year
Then he should automatically be able to play excellent against one of the top pass rushing defenses in the league out of position this year? Great logic.
You admit he was playing out of position in an emergency roll. Cut the guy some slack. He’s been asked to play more positions on that offensive line than anybody else we have. He’s done fairly respectably considering he never knows what position he might be playing any given week. I just can’t believe he has two bad plays, and you go for the kill. You could overanalyze any offensive lineman in the league and find two plays in a game where he screwed up. It’s become a bit ridiculous.
I’m not saying that he’s a top offensive lineman in the NFL. What I am saying is that you could do A LOT WORSE than Heyer, and you bash him more so than any other lineman on the team. The starting interior line deserves a hell of a lot more bashing than Heyer ( a roll playing versatile backup) does.
I’ve given Heyer praise at RT this year and he got good reviews from me this pre-season. The penalties are atrocious though…he continually leads the team in those every year. How can you defend that?
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 9, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don't defend the penalties
That’s unacceptable. I just think he gets raked through the coals moreso than the parts of our line that are failing on a regular basis, which are the interior linemen. Our OTs have actually played decent this year. Sure it’s easy to point to some sacks here and there that shouldn’t have been given up but every team has those.
And I’ve beem killing Rabach and Hicks much more than Heyer….altho they haven’t gotten the picture form. Harder w/ the OL since they’re not lying face down 2 seconds into the play.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 9, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
thats the true point....
from what I have seenI would like to see Heyer make the team as a guard, that should cut down on false start penalties and seems to suit his skill set. and if absolutely necessary he can spell Brown/Williams, at least for one more year. I like Rabach, he has been through the ringer with us, but if anybody’s play on the field needs objective criticism it’s him, he is….the weakest link, good bye.
a few things
Donovan McNabb has looked awful and is having the worst season of his career. A lot of it is his fault. But you have to feel bad for a guy going from Desean Jackson, who can get open anytime, to this group of receivers. Then throw in the Heyer statue blocking for him, I just wonder why the hell the guy signed that deal.
For some reason, I can’t stop laughing about this….
and Ma’ake Kemoeatu’s inability to do anything.
All season I’ve been racking my enormous brain trying to figure out the perfect wording to describe this disaster of a football player. You could spend hours flipping thru a thesaurus, dictionary, and encyclopedia, and you couldn’t come up with a better statement.
Does everyone realize thst, when Heyer is in at LT, we are fielding the league’s worst LT probably worst C, worst NT, oldest DE, worst D-line, worst receiving corps………
Sorry, got carried away there. So, anyway, what’s the over/under on how long Torain goes this week?
by CJHutch on Dec 9, 2010 12:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
@Kurtstack
Woh!
1st off, I’m an equal opportunity basher. All of the lineman have stunk it up at one point or another. You can defend that sack a shit all you want, proof is in the tapes. And he got beat like a drum last game. The only time he played well was when he was filling in at RG, THAT I will give him credit for.
Secondly, I don’t recall saying we drafted him to play anything. In college, he played 50 snaps. 37 of those being at LT. In ’04, he started ALL 11 GAMES at LT.
That’s usually what they call, “natural position”.
Like I said
The list of LTs who have been beat badly by the giants DL is a long one, and most of those guys have started every game at LT this season. Did Heyer only give up one sack at LT? Not bad considering he hasn’t played that position this year.
ugh
I’m having a hard time finding his individual stats for that game but I swear he gave up more than that. If he didn’t, he allowed plenty of hurries.
And he did play LT this year, maybe not starting, but he’s had plenty of reps over there. Plus he takes tons of snaps in practice on that side as well.
at the college level
the NFL has a bunch of guys playing RT who played LT at the college level.
The most depressing thing about Kemo and our D-line in general
How nasty could our 4-3 D-line have been with Orakpo, Haynesworth, Kemo, Carriker, Golston, Carter, Holliday, Jarmon, Daniels, Alexander rotating in and out?? And then they could have just slowly worked 3-4 packages into the mix as the right personnel were added – specifically a NT.
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by VA_Skin on Dec 9, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
that's way too logical.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 9, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
what? Use a scheme that plays to our players strengths?
That’s crazy talk and we won’t have any of it around here!
by aFan4Life on Dec 10, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
After reading more about AH's antics
from MS and especially Haslett, and a few of the players, it’s clear that he had to go – no way any coach could put up with that crap. In theory they could have let him play the little bit he wanted, to get some use out of him, and mainly to give him more trade value, but his bad attitude might have hurt more than helped. He’s a mystery – and disappointment – to me. It’s almost as if when he saw the season go down the tubes, he just figured it wasn’t worth the effort to keep working, or trying to learn the defense. The fact that the season is pretty well shot makes it more sensible to just cut Albert loose once and for all.
As almost everybody above said, we should never have switched to the 3-4 without the necessary players, but the question is what to do now – keep or drop the 3-4? One problem is that we hardly have any players right for the 3-4 – need virtually every line and LB position. Orakpo, Carriker, Alexander – who else? Next year’s draft should be used on O-line, WRs and RBs, which doesn’t leave a lot of room for the front 7 on defense. Haslett should be doing some heavy thinking this off season.

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