Should the Redskins start trade down talks with the New England Patriots today!
by masblackdragon on Dec 31, 2010 1:52 AM EST
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Looking ahead to the Washington Redskins 2011 draft needs, I see the Skins trading down from the #12-15 draft slot with New England. The Redskins could acquire the Patriots #32, #33 (2nd), and #96 (3rd) draft picks. That will give the Redskins four draft picks in the first three rounds of the 2011 draft. I also see the Redskins utilizing these picks to acquire a Franchise Quarterback, Offensive Line or Defensive line, and Wide Receiver. Whats your thoughts?
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The Patriots MO has generally been
to move BACK in the draft, get more picks, carry picks into the next draft, and utilize later round picks.
But who knows? Maybe this year it will be different.
I Am Jack's Raging Bile Duct
strange as it may seem!
But the strange thing is that the redskins do not use ANY leverage at all, and therefore always falter to say the least when giving up and dishing out draft picks!
If that were to happen, the Pats would then have 3 picks in the 1st round
could you imagine that!
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Nice idea
That could land us Pat Devlin(QB – Deleware), Wizniewski(G – PSU), Williams(CB – Texas), and Tolliver(WR – LSU). All could be contributors, and for Wiz and Tolliver(and maybe even Williams), maybe immediate starters.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
so, your suggesting that Rex Grossman be out starter next year?
Since your thinking we should draft a QB who isnt ready to start right away? Just clarifying that you believe Rex should be the solution next year… Or are you holding out hope for McNabb?
by BNGSuperBowl2012 on Dec 31, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
No hope for McNabb
The relationship is damaged beyond repair. Unless we get Luck or Mallett, Grossman will most likely be our starter(at least for a while). I’m comfortable saying we are going into re-building mode now. I am not going to expect much in the line of W’s next year.
I’m almost to the point where I don’t even want to see many FA’s added. Give me one or two key, young guys, who are willing to play for reasonable contracts. I’m even shying away from a guy like Mankins too. I’ll take a C, and a WR. If we could get Hali on defense, I’ll take him too.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Why would you want Pat Devlin?
He’s got terrible pocket presence
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 31, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Not so true Terps
Where are you hearing this from?
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Also, for the record
I don’t necessarily want Pat Devlin, however, if we ignore QB in the 1st round, of trade out of the 1st all together, and decide to get a QB in the 2nd, Devlin would be a choice of mine. I’d take him ahead of Ponder.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
I said Devlin would be a choice of mine
not the only choice.
I also don’t know if Stanzi will be a 2nd round guy. Maybe more like a 3rd-4th. We’ll have to see how he tests out at the combine.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
FOR ONCE
Stop trading up or down and start drafting good players now stay were we are and use our picks for once instead of trading away our pick , yeah i know we could trade down but if we stop trading our draft picks away like we did for donavan , and jason taylor and who ever else we would have draft picks like we should have , look were it got us trading away our picks already we get 1 year players then they leave then we give a 100million contract out look were that got us a 3rd down worthless player so when is the stupid shit going to stop , i say stay put were we are and not trade anymore drafts away and pick in our own dam spot then maybe we can get some young players who wanna play instead of these old players who wanna score a huge paycheck and retire and laugh at us again.
Trading up and Trading down are two completely different things dude.
The New England Patriots trade down all the time, why do you think they’re such an amazing organization? Because Bill Bellicheck knows how to draft smartly and how to trade down smartly.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 31, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Trading Down=Good for Us, We get more picks.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 31, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Which is funny because a minute ago...
He said he wanted to Draft Sam Bradford this year, which would have required us trade away picks in order to Trade up.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 31, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
NO TERP
I said we should have last year tried to get sam bradford in the draft not this year , just like i said we should have taken desean jackson instead of that LOSER KELLY WHO SETS ON THE BENCH EVERY YEAR instead of performing , out of 2 recievers and 1 tight end we drafted that year only 1 has help out just a little THE OTHER 2 WERE BUSTS AS USUAL and thats what we need to stop doing is 1 stop trading drafts away for 1 year players and 2 do a lil better picking a guy who is going to come in here and produce INSTEAD OF SETTING ON THE SIDELINE like the WORTHLESS MALCON KELLY , look at alot of our first round picks and few number 1 picks alot of them are nothing but busts wasted draft picks , we have had enough picks just like detroit to rebuild this team over and over and instead we keep getting NOTHING BUT BUSTS IN THE FIRST ROUND ONLY A VERY FEW HAS WORKED OUT IN THE FIRST ROUND and thats a shame because this year we will have another top draft again and i hope they do not waste it like they have out of the last 20 years , they did pick maybe 1 or 2 good players out of the 20 year span but think about it how many times has our team made the playoffs out of the 20 years id have to say maybe we might have made the playoffs maybe 3 times and thats about it can you say we are a another detroit team in the making .
by washingtonwin on Jan 1, 2011 6:52 AM EST up reply actions
Why all the YELLING???? wwooooossssssaaaaaaaaa
Twas a dark and stormy night when Tony Romo turned his key...
He was scared about the prospect of going back to D.C.
When he entered his room he saw some crutches wrapped in a bow...
Attached with a note that said "you’ll need these... signed...Brian Orakpo" (thanks skinsfan28)
I still don't understand his logic...
The busts have been because of poor draft choices and bad talent evaluation on top of trading picks away. Fail.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 1, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Don't even try....he is one of the....
hard heads on here. He won’t listen to logic, anger, stats, common sense, his mom, the Dhali Lama, Pope, or a wizard. You are sane…..don’t let him swing it on you!
Twas a dark and stormy night when Tony Romo turned his key...
He was scared about the prospect of going back to D.C.
When he entered his room he saw some crutches wrapped in a bow...
Attached with a note that said "you’ll need these... signed...Brian Orakpo" (thanks skinsfan28)
WHAT A IDIOT YOU ARE
You must like the way our team loses all the time i guess.
by washingtonwin on Jan 2, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
BYE THE WAY SHVD98Z24
Well i guess i was wrong when i said we would go 4-12 last year and 6-10 this year so weres your logic at least i do know what im talking about .
by washingtonwin on Jan 2, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
YOUR GREAT INSIGHT THAT'S ALWAYS AFTER THE FACT????
just like i said we should have taken desean jackson instead of that LOSER KELLY WHO SETS ON THE BENCH EVERY YEAR instead of performing
Hindsight is always 20/20
i say stay put were we are and not trade anymore drafts away and pick in our own dam spot then maybe we can get some young players who wanna play instead of these old players who wanna score a huge paycheck and retire and laugh at us again.
Wow, can’t believe no one else thought of that
Heath shular , jason cambell ,malcom kelly
You started a reply off with this…..3 names…none spelled right…but you are the real fan? I see shit like this…I don’t finish reading
Trade our drafts away for 1 YEAR guys like DMACK and JASON TAYLORS and we also pay HUGE ASS CONTRACTS for 3RD DOWN guys like FAT ALBERT and anyone else WHO WANTS TO COME IN HERE AND RETIRE and make our team look like the biggest chumps as usual .
After reading your posts for 3 mins…I have read this exact statement regurgitated 4 times…almost verbatim
“Well I wanted to pick” Sam bradford last year which is what we should have done from the get go , but as stupid as our management is in picking drafts we lost a good QB which we should have gotton instead just another long mistake by our fearless leaders instead we waste draft picks for McNab
Aren’t you arguing we don’t need to give picks away for players….to get Bradford, we would have had to trade into the #1 slot…giving more picks away for an unproven talent
You are one of those guys that waits for the bad stuff to happen….and comes in about how you were right…everyone is wrong….when you didn’t come up with shit to begin with. It’s easy to read the past from the future asshole…..but I promise you are no better at reading the future from the present than any other knuckle head in the FO!
Twas a dark and stormy night when Tony Romo turned his key...
He was scared about the prospect of going back to D.C.
When he entered his room he saw some crutches wrapped in a bow...
Attached with a note that said "you’ll need these... signed...Brian Orakpo" (thanks skinsfan28)
BYE THE WAY WASHINGTONWIN
Well i guess i was wrong when i said we would go 4-12 last year and 6-10 this year so weres your logic at least i do know what im talking about .
1) Prove it…..prove you said this before the start of last season and before the start of this season…..I looked through your posts…..can’t seem to find it Nostradamus…put your money were your mouth is!
2) If this is how your brain connects thoughts……to make you feel/think you are smart…..I am sad for you
Twas a dark and stormy night when Tony Romo turned his key...
He was scared about the prospect of going back to D.C.
When he entered his room he saw some crutches wrapped in a bow...
Attached with a note that said "you’ll need these... signed...Brian Orakpo" (thanks skinsfan28)
Thank you shvd98z24
I agree with all of your statements. Idiots talk in hindsight.
Dear Passionate fan,
I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
Sincerely, another Passionate fan.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 2, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Shocker.....
he has no comment!!! He would just call me an idiot again and rephrase something he has said 20 times again! Oh well…..home team troll!
Twas a dark and stormy night when Tony Romo turned his key...
He was scared about the prospect of going back to D.C.
When he entered his room he saw some crutches wrapped in a bow...
Attached with a note that said "you’ll need these... signed...Brian Orakpo" (thanks skinsfan28)
Seems like they're growing by the day...
On Second Thought, I wouldn’t trade with Bellichick he would probably trick us… But the idea of trading down would still be good.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 4, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Trading down is the way to go.....
to build a young team while filling the most holes.
Twas a dark and stormy night when Tony Romo turned his key...
He was scared about the prospect of going back to D.C.
When he entered his room he saw some crutches wrapped in a bow...
Attached with a note that said "you’ll need these... signed...Brian Orakpo" (thanks skinsfan28)
I hope we can trade down but there might not be any takers
We need picks and no doubt trading back would benefit us
I would never trade with the Patriots
Somehow, no matter what, they always come out ahead.
I disagree with the whole "rebuild, youth movement, load up on draft choices"
philosophy generally, and am perfectly willing to spend Dan’s money for good players, and want to win next year or soon after. I think we should just try to get as many good players as we can, from any source. We already have a lot of “draft choices” on the team already (Riley, Young, Barnes, etc). NE got a bunch of draft picks partly because they had a lot of good players they used to get those picks (chicken or egg? idea).
But aside from the broad picture, I think virtually everyone agrees that we need a franchise QB – a talented rookie, almost certainly a pretty high draft choice, who can be our QB for the next ten years (although we would be willing to give him a year to learn the system and take over as #1, even if it costs us some games). The whole strategy should be based on getting that QB. If Shanahan actually wants a guy who can be obtained lower down, that’s great, and trading down could be a very good idea. But if we have to move up to get the only acceptable guy, so be it. This is partly based on my estimate that we need maybe one guy on the O-line, a big WR, and several D-line, depending mostly on what system they play. The Defense has looked better recently, as if Haslett may finally have figured out a system, deemphasizing the 3-4, and boosting the ability to get a pass rush and stop the run. If so, recent success suggests we may not have to add too many players (with Carriker, Bryant, Golston, Holliday, Jarmon giving a respectable core). Another background assumption is that talent-wise we were pretty competitive this year, with the year being hurt by a new coach and offensive system, injuries, some personnel disappointments (AH, McNabb) and the disastrous switch to the 3-4. So I think more “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” rather than “let’s start over”. I know – many disagree with that philosophy.
AHAHAHAHAHA
Are you out of your mind? Haynesworth was a FA, how’s that going for you? So was Macho Harris, and he’s played awful. Free Agency doesn’t work. One OLinemen? Are you nuts? We need at LEAST 3. How do you think a young QB is going to help anything when our Offensive Line is still a moving turd and we don’t have picks for new, young Wide Receivers? The Skins need to get the necessities this year: 2 or 3 interior Offensive Linemen in the draft, and a tall, physical Wide Receiver.
NE has a lot of draft choices because they don’t trade theirs away you dolt. They stockpile elite draft picks and draft smarttly. Tom Brady was a draft pick. Wes Welker was a draft pick. Danny Woodhead was a draft pick. Their Offensive Line is a bunch of draft picks. Their team is made of Draft picks and look at how well they do every year.
And what’s this about the “only acceptable guy”? There are at least 5 or 6 guys at every position that it would be fine to have. Desean Jackson was a 2nd roud pick. Dez Bryant was too. Tom Brady was a SIXTH round pick.
Your “Win now”philosophy is the same one Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder operated under for years, and look how that worked out. We were 4 and 12 last season under that philosophy.
Get the essentials now and draft a QB next year.
The fact is that the “Win now” IS broken, so we HAVE to fix it. Any of the last 10 seasons will tell you that.
How does a team stockpile picks?
They get only one per round. So others must come from trading somebody away. But you have to have somebody to trade him. And to trade away somebody that has value, a team has to think it can do without that guy – have a suitable replacement. So it’s going to work best for a team that already has a lot of talent – and is trying to maintain a dynasty. They’re loaded, and keep replacing (trading away, often for draft choices) older players with promising younger guys. If a team doesn’t have a lot of talent (i.e. is deep), they don’t have much ammo. NE was able to live without Randy Moss, but I don’t think we can do without Santana Moss. Who would you suggest the Skins should trade away for draft picks? I’d say Carter because of the 3-4, but we won’t get much. Of course Haynesworth and McNabb. But I don’t want to give away Cooley or Moss – I just can’t see losing your best players. So – what would you actually do? Remember, you should only trade somebody if you can get something more valuable in return – and if it’s a draft pick, you have to think you’ll be smart and lucky enough to get somebody of more value with that pick. Looking at our recent drafts, do you really think we’d get somebody as good as Cooley or Moss with, say, a third (or even second) round pick? Think Kelly, Thomas and all the other clunks we’ve drafted. My argument with your idea isn’t that it’s a bad idea, but that it is very difficult to implement in practice.
One Question
I agree with most of what you say.But I want to beat this dead horse just a couple more times
Would any other qb on this team and or other teams been able to withstand all the sacks,hits,etc,etc better than DMac did ? Would RG or Beck have even survived some of the serious hits that DMac has taken?
Would RG have lasted as the starter….or would KS have adjusted his scheme to make it easier for him?
I really think that R.Mallett would be a dynamite rookie qb.Very capable of becomming a quick starter,
Go Skins
sbredskinsnabb
by sbredskinsnabb on Dec 31, 2010 11:22 PM EST reply actions
Raiders example of trade downs in the 2010 season. This is not saying that their moves were the best, but it is a way to get more picks or improve the pick position.
This was not an intensive effort to find team draft pick moves for other NFL teams.
04/23/2010 Traded the #39 overall pick in the 2010 Draft to Tampa Bay for picks #42 (2nd round) and #153 (5th round)
04/23/2010 Traded #42 overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft to New England for picks #44 (2nd round) and #190 (6th round)
04/24/2010 Traded LB Kirk Morrison and the #153 overall (5th round) pick in the 2010 NFL Draft to Jacksonville for the #108 pick (4th round)
http://www.raiders.com/team/transactions.html
Look at http://www.redskins.com/team/transactionList.jsp for Skins’ roster moves in April 2010.
To complete the deal for Jammal Brown, the Skins are suppose to get a 2011 Saints 5th round pick. At this point the Saints do
not have a 2011 5th (or 4th and 6th) round draft pick to give. Maybe the Skins can get a 3rd round pick and give the Saints a player, i.e., Haynesworth. [The Saints have 5 2011 picks: 1.28, 2.28, 3.13 (from WAS), 3.28, 7.26.] The Skins 3rd round pick goes to the Saints since the conditions for the 4th round pick ended up with the Eagles.
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 1, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
How did the Saints
end up not having a 4, 5 or 6 this year? I wonder what the rules regarding this are in the trade language.
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