Game Film Shows Redskins Abandoned the 3-4 & Sustained Lots of Pressure
Note: After the jump are videos and screenshots of key plays.
So, I decided to watch the Jaguars game again last night paying special attention to the number of pass rushers Haslett sent on the defensive side, and the number of two tight end sets Mike Kyle Shanahan used on the offensive side. Here's what I found:
On the Jaguars 65 plays, the Redskins rushed 4 or 5 guys 92% of the time:
Rush 3: 2 times
Rush 4: 30 times (2 sacks, 1 INT)
Rush 5: 30 times (2 sacks)
Rush 6: 3 times (1 sack/fumble, 1 INT)
- Coming into the game, Jacksonville was 2nd in the league in rushing attempts and #1 in the NFL in rushes up the middle (53% of the time), so it made sense to have 4-5 guys primarily up front. Bravo Haslett.
- Jacksonville was #1 in the NFL in fewest 3 and Outs and the Redskins D forced four 4 of them.
- Anthony Bryant absolutely beasted this game. Whether it was 1 or 2 blockers, he never got pushed back once. There was rarely a pocket for Garrard to step up into. Carriker did very well against double teams as well.
- Most blitzes were from the edge but in the 2nd half Haslett sent Fletcher in on a delayed blitz. It worked extremely well (London just missed the sack). He called Fletcher again on a 6-man rush the next play and #59 got the sack/fumble (JAX recovered). On a 3rd try JAX adjusted and picked up #59.
- The 2 TDs against came against a 4-man and 5-man rush. On one, Macho made a horrible read and couldn't react in time to make the play.
Watch Nose Tackle Anthony Bryant on this play. He pushes Jaguars Center, Brad Meester, directly back into Garrard. Ma'ake Kemoeatu has never been able to do this and Bryant had varying levels of success like this throughout the day. Meester is a 33 year old Center, but still, even in the double-blocks, Bryant sustained a push.
On the offensive side....out of the Redskins 64 plays...
- 2 TE sets were used 20 times
- 4 plays where Fred Davis was lined up as slot WR/Off Tackle
- 3 TE sets were used 5 times (inside the 5 all times)
- 6 bootlegs by my count
- Roydell Williams did not look good. He did not maintain a block, which led to a key tackle that should have gone for more. On another play, he fell down on his route and stayed down even though the play ended up coming his way.
- Keiland was the primary 3rd down back and he did a 5-star job in picking up blocks.
- Rex Grossman consistently had a cushy pocket with room to step up. When the pressure came, though, he struggles to get rid of the ball safely. On one play he threw into the chest of a DL in point blank range (dropped), the other he took a sack outside the hash marks, and several others he had intentional groundings (or close calls).
- Kory Lichtensteiger is a hustler. Even on 10 yard passes he's running hard up field to be there in case of a fumble.
- You know me, I try to find the worst and the OLine was solid all day. The Jaguars are ranked 28th in the NFL in sacks, but it's clear this OLine is gelling. Big Test against Big Blue. Heyer had a couple plays he was late off the snap, which resulted in gains for a loss, but overall he gets a passing grade.
Now, let's have some fun...
This is easily the Redskins' worst defensive play of the game. Kevin Barnes comes in untouched at the top of screen on a blitz and completely whiffs on Garrard. As a result, he gets the pass off. On an extended run, several tackles are missed, with no help from Macho Harris, who takes out Andre Carter's legs right as he's about to make the stop.
I don't want to pick on Rabach too hard. He had a decent game, but two plays stood out poorly. What in Dear Lord is Rabach trying to do on this block? Take out the legs perhaps? I dunno...but it's an epic fail as he gets steamrolled.
This is more comical than anything, but check out Rabach's (#61) failed diving block. If this was up for an ESPY, it would be in the same category as Reed Doughty's butt tackle.
Here are the Redskins with a pre-snap, 4-man front, and one of the rare times they were not disguising a rush....
All four lineman hold their gaps at the line of scrimmage.
Here's another example of the great work by the DLine holding their gaps. Absolutely no where for Jennings to go and this was a common shot throughout the day.
Here is Rob Jackson's "Orakpo" moment.....(no penalty called of course). Why exactly did they move an extra referee in the backfield?? They got a 1st down on this play.
I mean, look at this push. The line of scrimmage is a full 7 yards back on this five-man rush. QBs throwing the ball with no pocket to step into will for sure lead to turnovers.
OK, time to have some fun with Stephon Heyer. He had a solid game overall. HOWEVER, on this goal line play, Heyer (all the OLinemen were scrunched together) fell on the push and lost his helmet. He decided not to move the next 6 seconds (it ran down to 12:11 and he was still sitting). Haynesworth has gotten killed for this. It should be noted that Moss and Roydell Williams did this on two separate plays as well.
Straight chillin....(top right corner)
Not sure if you noticed this but DeAngelo had his gold teeth in on Sunday (or some souped-up mouth guard).
I watched the Rex Grossman interception multiple times and the call really could have gone either way. The Jags defender made a clean grab, and by this still, you can see his left foot is down and he has control.
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One thing for sure I agree with
Anthony Bryant was great. Did exactly what a 3-4 NT should: he bullrushed the center every play, never picked a side, and really, like you said, never got pushed back. That DL is what we’ve been missing all year. Carriker, a legit NT, and then just a hustler at the other DE. We had real defense success because we had real DL success, where that 3-4 starts.
I hope we have our starting NT
So we can draft a Center early in the draft.
+1
Yup, and that way even if we want to add depth a the position we can get a guy in the 5th round of the Draft. Someone like Phil Taylor or even the Nose Tackle from Hampton.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 30, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed...
Does anyone know the status of his contract? I am assuming it was just the generic one year, so do we actually risk losing him this offseason since he’s a beast? If so re-sign him ASAP!!!
by preppiejack on Dec 30, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I CAN'T wait to see Rob Jackson and Orakpo playing together.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 30, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
pipe dream...
Knowing our coaches, Orakpo will be Nose Tackle next year.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 30, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
That's a Great idea!
Let’s put Ma’ake Kemoeatu at Free Safety. Not.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 30, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
On the INT
How the heck can you tell whether his feet are on the ground in that shot? I would guess that the right foot is down, if anything, but I also know that when he came down out of his jump the right foot hit first.
I mean, it should have been an INT because the ball was put where the defender should have had it. And I’ve pretty much moved on – but I don’t think this picture adds much clarity.
Agree 100%
I have not seen anything that would allow me to conclude it was a true INT. It just happened to be called that way on the field and they couldn’t conclusively overturn it. Bad luck.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
look at his left scrunched toe on his shoe
now try to scrunch your toe up like that without having your foot on the ground. call wasn’t reversable either way in my opinion unfortunatly it was called INT on the field
Ha " blurry foot" I like it....
I like getting together with different people and jamming (playing music) and since there is no one solid project going on I like coming up with different names….I might have to use Blurry Foot.. Magic Hat w/ special guests Blurry Foot.
Great photos and video, btw
I’m willing to give Heyer a pass because (unlike Haynesworth and Williams) his helmet was knocked off. When a ballhandler’s helmet comes off the play is immediately whistled dead (new rule change) because of the risks. For other players they don’t, because the player won’t necessarily be part of the play. I’m not going to rank on someone for not participating in an NFL play without a helmet!
It is possible that Heyer was a little dizzy after getting hit in the head.
by Jefferson1935 on Dec 30, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
or, simply put
It is possible that Heyer
wasIS a little dizzy
by CJHutch on Dec 30, 2010 9:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know it the end of the season and a little late for this
but can we have more posts like this with video and pictures and analysis of the plays.
Great post.
only if we can think of a good, witty name for this weekly post....
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 30, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna fire the first two from the hip
Hogs Hindsight
Hogs Highlights
Not really witty but some alliteration
Ebagg's Junk
I think thats a good name.
by Parks Smith on Dec 30, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I already have a show named that for the Meringolo females.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 30, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice write up. My name for the post is "Upon Further Review..."
by Sevendust34 on Dec 30, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
these are great posts
Here is a link to most of the game video:
You can pause and rewind. It does not have the entire game, but it pretty good.
Based on how everyone is getting off to this post
Hard Cocks for Skins Screen Shots
On a real note though, I can dig a post like this every week except the IT guy at work blocks youtube every other day.
"You're fucking out!"
bribe the IT guy w/ star wars trading cards...
If you’re unsure which ones they like, ask RVAParks.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 30, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Come on Kevin you know I'm more of a Lord of the Rings guy, you came over to watch the whole trilogy one time.
If you want to know about Star Wars ask the Colts gypsys, I guess their on the Titans site right now?
that was a great party...
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 31, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
not bad
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 30, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure I could show up on Sunday and play just as good at Center as Rabach does week in and week out.
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Me too, and I'm only 200 Pounds.
According to Hair Kiper Jr. I’m projected to be a 3rd-5th Round Pick. (Rolls Eyes).
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 30, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I always thought Kiper was kind of a tool
But I met him once when I was doing stuff for the CAA, and he was an awesome guy. He doesn’t usually get the exact slots right but he’s pretty good at getting rounds like I feel like.
Sucks he was one of the guys that I wanted to hate, but he turned out to be a really cool guy. Kind of like Turle and Tom Brady in Entourage, haha.
by Parks Smith on Dec 30, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well
if it’s your only job for an entire year…
He doesn’t usually get the exact slots right but he’s pretty good at getting rounds like I feel like.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Kiper just gets it off the internet like everyone else
He just gets away with it because everyone is so distracted by his hair
by hambonejackson on Dec 30, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I've listened to him on the Radio a couple of times
He’s actually a pretty reasonable dude, but everytime he’s on ESPN with Todd McShay he comes off like a tool. It seems McShay knows how to push all of Kiper’s buttons and vice versa.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 30, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think McShay is probably the biggest deusch, he just disagrees with everything Kiper says.
Kiper is especially interesting when talking about the college game. You could ask him about Coastal Carolina playing Idaho State and he could tell you the players to watch out for.
and fuck you too Brandon Lloyd
I think he had some frustration built up over 8 years of blowing dick in the nfl, it’s not our fault you finally decided to show up.
"You're fucking out!"
Agreed
you talk shit now Brandon Lloyd? After breaking out at the “ripe” age of 29 Years Old? Truth is most Elite Receivers break out at 24 or 25. He’s just a hack who had one lucky year.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 30, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I still want to know what Malcolm Kelly is doing
I cant get an answer to that question.
He's been busting his butt working to get his 40 below 6.3 seconds.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 30, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
As I recall
the only 40 time I ever hear quoted is the one where he ran on his injured knee. Can someone ever come up with a 40 time before he injured his knee? Because if he ran a 4.7 40 then the big 12 has some of the slowest corners and safeties in the country because Kelly certainly did not have a problem out running them.
by hambonejackson on Dec 30, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don't go there anymore
but on the redskins main website they have the fan mailbag. I’ve submitted a couple questions and they’ve both been answered. As long as it’s not a question that’s been asked a million times, or something redundant it seems like they do answer.
I’m also interested in hearing about what he’s done this season to get back on the field for camp.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
you could always email Larry Michael(s) too. He's unbiased.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 30, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Larry Michael(s) is unbiased
So who is Larry Michael(s)?
by hambonejackson on Dec 30, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
He does the Redskins radio broadcast & a weekly show fro Redskins Park.. If Dan Snyder is Monty Burns, than Larry M is Smithers.
http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/skinsradio
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 30, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
but isn’t Smithers in love with Mr. Burns? Well now I have 2 questions
by hystericalmaniac on Dec 30, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Good breakdown....the trenches is where its all at.
No matter what happens I would still like to see them draft the two lines in the first two rounds next year. They need sustainability with depth at the C and NT positions. Bryant seems like he can certainly play the NT position, but what about long term? 2012 is still the first year to start really lookiing at what a Shanahan team really looks like. IMO next year will still be similair to this year when it comes to final results. The difference should be more battles won in game breakdowns like you did here, which is good progress but doesnt neccesarily translate into winning the division while the rebuilding goes on. To date I think its very satisfying in some of the players like Banks and Armstrong that Shanahan has found.
Thanks for the informative thread Kevin
Was a great read, and I’m a little more warm and fuzzy about our NT situation now. Still probably need some depth there if we are going to keep up the 3-4 scheme, but perhaps it won’t be quite as urgent now.
Buccaneers, Lions, Falcons, Ravens, Dolphins, Giants, Redskins
can you believe the skins are Anthony Bryant’s 7th team? Did he suddenly decide to start trying, a la Brandon Lloyd? As long as he keeps it up I’ve got no complaint. But I am curious about what happened with Bryant at those other 6 teams.
Hey, why the hell not?
Have you noticed we’re always that unlucky team who lets a talented guy go and he goes and succeeds somewhere else? It’s about time luck starts shining our way. He’s probably good at Nose Tackle because of his experience with the Ravens and Dolphins.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 30, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Going back to the video with Bryant's bull rush. Carter was on the LOLB and did not have his hand in the dirt. Alexander was
the ROLB, Bryant was the NT. That looks like a 3-4 scheme on that play. Of the defensive snaps, how many were 3-4? 4-3? etc?
Just because we rush 4 does not make it a 4-3. 3-4 is just the personnel and the method that you’re using to rush. It also lets you get in more creative zone blitzes because you have two OLBs with the ability and positioning to rush the QB. A zone blitz basically means that you trade off on coverage and have a rusher coming from somewhere unexpected like have a DE cover a TE so the LB can rush…or if you’re very daring have a DE go into zone coverage short so the corner or safety can come in on a blitz…you’re not actually sending more people but you’re sending people that are unexpected making them hard to cover and block against.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
It's frustrating that these guys have been on the team all year
& are just making it onto the field now. Maybe it is good coaching & these guys are just now becoming good players but it seems like we should have been playing Bryant & Jackson for awhile now. I am glad that we are finishing strong, I think it shows a lot of character
Apparently it actually is coaching (I know it sounds pretty scary and the shocking part is it's Haslett)
Haslett laughed when recalling Rob Jackson’s early days at outside linebacker. He was told to line up between "the 1 and the 2."
"He’s trying to line up between this crack and I said what are you doing Rob?" Haslett said. "He said I’m trying to get between the 1 and the 2. I said, there’s a wideout out there. The guy never knew they had wideouts on the field.
"It’ll take time with him."
But he liked his first outing. And Jackson is expected to play some at left outside linebacker this week after rushing mostly from the right side vs. Jacksonville.
"He just outworked those guys last week," Haslett said. "He has enough ability to play on the left side. His area is trying to understand the defense. He’ll grow."
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2010/12/redskins-notes-and-analysis-6#ixzz19ebFT8fO
John Keim via The Washington Examiner
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 30, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
what is more scary
it’s cerratos late pick because cerrato is out to destroy the team
by hambonejackson on Dec 31, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Nice post Kevin, BUT
They didn’t actually abandon the 3-4 formation at all during this game.
I Am Jack's Raging Bile Duct
i'm all ears...there was 4 guys w/ hand in the dirt consistently...how is that a 3-4 D?
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 31, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
How many 4 Lokos did you drink before the game?
I just went back through the game and only found one play where they had 4 guys w/ their hand in the dirt. That was on a 3rd and short in the 2nd Quarter at around the 10 minute mark. I forgot to extend my recording for OT, so MAYBE they used the 4-3 some in OT.
Either way, you’re exactly right about Bryant playing night and day better than Kemoeatu. Jarmon and Jackson made some nice plays in the 2nd half also.
I Am Jack's Raging Bile Duct
How many 4 Lokos did you drink before the game?
I wouldn’t have got through the season without it.
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Kevin that analysis is keen and on point I wish you were commenting on the same. I did the same observation it is only that I could not afford the time to make it meaningful like you did. The Jaguars were on the game with an attitude and set ambition compared to the Redskins.
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