Are the Redskins Better Off Than We Give Them Credit For?
I was listening to 106.7 THE FAN today, and there was a lot of positive (yes, POSITIVE) discussion of what Bruce Allen has done in regards to the salary cap positioning the Redskins for the future. In effect, he front-loaded a lot of the Redskins contracts, which means we're in really good shape when free agency returns. In years past, Snyderatto would restructure players contracts pushing more money out in the future (allowing him to sign MORE free agents now) making cap hits BRUTAL if we cut a player (all the $ gets accelerated to the current year). The result? You're stuck starting players like Randle El, Portis, Randy Thomas, Andre Carter. All that has changed and you can expect a lot of these current guys to fall, which could save ~$33 million more in cap space. As a lot of Redskins fans have mentioned in the Fan Posts, the bitching needs to stop.
From the coaching and personnel standpoint, let's play some hypotheticals going back to April, 2010:
1.) Redskins keep Jason Campbell as their QB. He continues to hold the ball too long and the Redskins are a 4 win team at best. The result: Redskins fans all complain Shanahan sucks for thinking we could win with Campbell.
2.) Rex Grossman is our starting QB. He has horrible games, fumbles away losses, and we're all calling for Shanahan's firing thinking he could win with the former Gator and Chicago outcast.
I know the first response here. "Well, at least with those two options we would have kept our two high draft picks." Looking back at that 2010 draft, starting with our 37th pick, 11 of the next 13 players selected are starters. A Tackle on either side of the line I firmly believe would have been the difference in at least 1-2 wins this year. There's no defense for that Philthy trade and it for sure has set the Redskins back, but are the Redskins still screwed? I don't think so. As I've always said, I'm going to give Shanahan another off-season to right this ship. Jesus Christ couldn't fix this mess in a year, so let's stay patient.
The 2011 Redskins will be rid of McNabb, Haynesworth, and a lot of high-priced players. Add to that two high draft pick prospects, a free agent or two (WR), and some more young talent and the Redskins could be on to something.
If you want to talk about killing your team's future look up north at Minnesota. There is a 100% chance Brett Favre is retiring this year, yet the team continues to start him. Why? Because the owner already dropped $20 million on him? Because he is Brett Favre? Because he wears Wrangler jeans? The Vikings will be going into 2011 having no idea if Joe Webb is a guy they can rely on going further. Same for Tavaris Jackson. As much as McNabb is getting disrespected and as much as it hurts Redskins fans to see our "future is now" QB get benched, it's the right thing to do.
It won't be easy to watch Grossman get killed in Jacksonville and at Fedex vs the Giants, but at least we'll know for sure his flaws and can build a good game plan for the QB position in the winter months.
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Great post...
Allen is def a great cap guy and has cleansed this team of some rediculously stupid contracts and will continue to do so this offseason.
I’m really looking forward to this offseason, we will learn a lot!
Love the post Kevin
While some of the bitching holds some merit, I’m tired of it and I think we should all sit back and see what the last couple games and the offseason have in store for us.
I disagree.
I think if they did not sell us on a win now mode and that they were building for the future, this year would have beed fine. No pressure and we would know that the future is bright. We are in a 5 win season with the promise of the future s here, when we know it is not. We are now missing three key components gone via trading draft picks. That puts us in a situation to go get more aging free agents. So it is status quo.
Jus do it the Ted Leonsis way. PLEASE!!!!!
Right Tackle
Are the Redskins in a bad way at Right Tackle?
Brown is coming off an injury,
Brown is playing a new position
Could the focus this year be more of interior guard positions, such again all the tryouts…
Actually the problem is the Interior Line
Which is why we need to concentrate on drafting a Guard or a Center. Jammal Brown is getting better.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 24, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, I'm glad Jammal Brown's finally improving, he'll be back to form by next season.
Rabach is just dreadful, he’s really regressed the past three seasons and Licht is great at Run Blocking, but horrible at Pass Blocking.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 24, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm really interested in our free agent re-signings this year, here is who is up for FA
- Grossman
- Santana Moss
- Heyer
- Golston
- Wilson
- McIntosh
- Blades (RFA)
- Rogers
- Doughty
Tough decision on a few of these guys
Grossman- Let’s see how he performs these last 2 games. If he does well, I would resign him.
Santana- Quitely having a borderline pro bowl season with 79 catches, 956 yds, 6 td’s. He will be 32 when the season starts and has been our best WR for years. This is the toughest decision in my opinion. We are so thin at WR that losing our best one would really hurt us. However, he has been around this losing vibe for so long that I feel like letting him walk might not be the worst thing. We definitely need to bring in new guys who have not caught the losing bug. Someone like James Jones could be effective for us and he is only 26. The age factor with Santana is tough too. I really do not know with Moss. I guess I could go either way.
Heyer- Not as easy as most people think. I know most say no chance we should resign him but I really do not mind him as a backup. I think it would be interesting if our Oline coaches worked with him at right guard this offseason because I really think he has a chance to be good there. I know other people on this board have said the same thing, he could be a monster guard, and when he did step in in the Titans game he did great. Another one I could go either way on.
Golston- One of our better D Linemen, which still isn’t saying much. He is still 27 and is a home grown guy. I expect our DLine to have 2 new starters, but I would resign him and have an open competition for the last DEnd spot between Golston, Carriker, and whoever else we bring in.
Wilson- Special Teams guy. Has been a fan favorite and occasionally makes plays. We are thin at LB but he will be 29 and really has never done much. GONE
McIntosh- Once again, we are thin at LB. However, I feel like LB’s like McIntosh are a dime a dozen. There are plenty of guys out there in free agency this year who could come in and do what Rocky does. Another one of those guys who might have caught the losing bug. I would probably let him walk.
Blades- A serviceable backup, is still 26 and has been a London Fletcher understudy for years. I would bring him back and bring in some competition in camp to see if he can still make the roster.
Rogers- Tough call here. Good cover corner and is physical. We all know about his dropped INT’s. He turns 30 before the season begins but what our are other options? There is never a ton of talent in Free Agency at CB although champ bailey will be a FA, Shanny- Bailey reunion? Probably not. But anyways, I could go either way on Rogers.
Doughty- Better backup than people give him credit for. Is a tough guy. I’d resign him.
Heyer
I think we need to keep. The guy is never going to be starting quality but he seems to be serviceable enough as a backup under competent coaching (Shanahan, Gibbs). I also would be intrigued by the idea of trying him at guard.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 24, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
the cba is the wild card
otherwise, with Moss as the possible exception, I expect everyone else to be back and competing for their jobs unless one of them thinks they are a top 5 player at their position.
by hambonejackson on Dec 24, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I look forward to when the Redskins get back to the promise land
of 8-8. While achieving mediocrity maybe a long. difficult, process the team might just get to 9-7 after that. Or it may backslide for 2 or more years to 6-10 or 7-9. Hopefully, by 2020 the roster will be retooled and the Redskins can get back to 8-8 or even 9-7 . Maybe even slide into a wildcard game during the the next 2 decades. But this depends on how good Cory Gibbs and Kyle Shanahans unborn children and grand children are at coaching. Unless Jim Zorn III is suddenly made HC. So ya, I think things will get better at some point during the next 30 years.
The whole quarterback thing could've been handled much better in my opinion
We could have kept JC and brought in Rex Grossman and actually let them compete for starting job. (Not just giving lip service to the idea of competition).
We know Shanahan was absolutely gaga over Bradford, and who knows, having that second rounder back, we might actually have had the resources to go after him.
it’s all hindsight, or hypothetical but either way, somebody should have seen that Donovan McNabb was not a good fit for Kyle’s offense. I really think Campbell and Kyle would have got along better-then who knows.
Yes I’m one of those people who bitches a lot-but I’ve constantly praised Bruce Allen for the work He has done.
But I have to disagree with the rest of the post’s theme. I think it’s safe to say that t this team has the potential to get better very quickly because of the work done to clear out the roster-but I cannot say that the team is better off other than that. Let’s see what the next off-season brings, it has the potential to really jumpstart this team.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
Unreasonable expectations.
I think it’s safe to say that t this team has the potential to get better very quickly because of the work done to clear out the roster
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 24, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yes probably so
But sometimes I like trying out walking on the other side of the fence (or at least on the fence) to see another perspective.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 24, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
This offseason will make or break Mike Shanahan in Washington
and I’m not being unreasonable about this, but I expect most of our main concerns to be Addressed aka OL and DL.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 24, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
need players that fit this team .
draft mallet or try and get fitzpatrick from buffalo sign vincent jackson and logan mankins draft anthony costanzo and jake kirkpatrick and sign barry cofield to replace fat albert. not saying this is going to happen but just imagine if we could bring in talent like this to the roster this would be the start of the rebuilding process to the future .
lohaus #54
Ok, let me start.
Mallett we can get, Vincent Jackson is asking for 50 Mill with 30 mill guaranteed so we probably won’t sign him, Logan Mankins is asking for another 50 mill contract, Anthony Castonzo is a concensus 1st Round Pick, Barry Cofield is a Defensive Tackle, not a Nose Tackle. Fitzpatrick is going to stay in Buffalo. I know you said it wouldn’t happen, but just showing you the situation at hand.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 24, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I say lets get Cam Newton
signed and lets get on with it, unless the young McNabb Shanahan referred to is Pryor. I don’t have a doubt in my mind that Washington will make a play for Jackson. They tried to trade for him and couldn’t get the deal done. Now its easy because its about money and that always seems to simplify problems for this organization. If they weren’t willing to pay him, they would not have tried to trade for him. I don’t care who they sign or what they pay the player, just don’t trade draft picks.
No way we should draft a qb in the first round
which is when Newton is going to go. Getting him may even entail trading up which is the last thing we can afford to do.
Ugh for as much as this fan base bitched about Vinny a lot of people seem intent on precisely the same kind of moves he was notorious for making.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 24, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's suggesting that we should or should not draft a QB
It’s just that Shanahan wants to Draft a QB for his system. Give him the benefit of the doubt.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 24, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't even think
the redskins were considering it until Shanahan apparently said that. Ofcourse, I thought of Newton. I think in the long run Newton is the best QB in the 1st round, but historically, the redskins always did better drafting a QB in the 6th round or sign one out of the CFL than they did drafting in the 1st round.
I am all for them using their 1st and 2nd picks on Olers. But now I am thinking Shanahan might want his guy at QB. We will see.
by hambonejackson on Dec 24, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
McNabb and the Skins
The fact that Philly let him go so easily and to a rival says it all. McNabb has skills, but he is over rated. Stop wasting time and money on has beens and over rated “stars”, and just build the team and time will take care of it. Allen is a great GM and we need to give Shanahan a chance.
About 2011 (if there is a season)
the biggest negative this year was the goofy switch to the 3-4. They are probably going to stick with it, and making it work will require 4 or more players at least, including a rare commodity – a nose tackle. The offense is getting better and can soon be good – need a QB, one or two guards, a WR. I’d use the first round pick on Luck, Mallett, Locker or Newton. Going cheap this year and dumping some expensive people puts them in good financial shape for next year – they can afford to spend a lot on players. It seems to me things are looking pretty good.
You got to sell tickets no matter the situation
I think that the idea to bring in the 2005 ProBowl backfield was an attempt to make us competitive by pounding the ball becasue they knew that we didn’t have what we needed on the line or at the WR position to execute the offense. Once that went up in smoke we ended up heading right where we are now.
There are things that need to change, but you can’t dump the entire roster nor should you anyway. You bring in someone that hopefully gives you the leadership at the main position and try to run with that. You try to evaluate the roster at the same time and you also have to sell tickets in the process.
McNabb’s had 13 weeks to show us what he can do. Right now we’re trying to see if he’s part of the long term solution, was part of the problem or if we both need to part ways. Either way it doesn’t make sense to pay someone $10MIL a season to be 5-11.
There’s no way to know exactly what you got until you run through a season. If the cap situation is as improved as it sounds than I’m actually more excited about the idea of long term success than a band aid type blockbuster deal that blows out by week 8 and we’re right back where we started again.
And while the season’s W-L record doesn’t reflect it and the team’s stats aren’t great I can see an improvement over the last few seasons in terms of execution, attitude and aggresiveness on the field. We’re heading in a direction; right or wrong which is a huge improvement over the last few years. At least we’re creating an identity.
by It's Always Sunny in DC on Dec 25, 2010 2:16 AM EST reply actions
I don't think Shanahan thinks about ticket sales at all
He just wants to win games.
LAWDY, MISS SCARLET!
Kevin has been dipping into the eggnog bowl now that the kool-aid is Gone WIth The Wind!
$33 million in cap space? The Danny could very well blow all that on the NEXT Haynesworth or sign a guaranteed bust (Mallet? Newton?) in the draft in order to power-up his hype machine.
This little piggy ain’t buyin’ that schtick no mo’.
It’s “wait and see” time, here. If (and its a HUGE if,) the offseason brings youth and talent instead of “big names” I’ll ride the bandwagon again but it’s more of the same-old-same-old,
this puppy is getting off at the next stop.
The Danny could very well blow all that on the NEXT Haynesworth.
The days of Danny making roster moves are over….altho it appears the days of trading draft picks are not.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 25, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Trading draft picks
It seems to me (an old argument) that if you are thinking of trading a draft choice for a player, the question is, does that player have more value to us than the guy we’re likely to get with the pick? The Skins should soon be able to have a tentative draft list, giving them an idea of what kind of value they can get for each pick, then compare the possibilities to potential free agents. Last year, they might have figured that the best QB they could get with a second round pick was Colt McCoy (figuring Bradford and Claussen gone) – so who would we want – McNabb or McCoy? If they have several picks and possible trades, the comparisons wouldn’t have to be position for position. It’s obvious that any team should do their best with the draft, but in many cases free agency is more important. We only have two real picks (I figure anything past the third round is pure guesswork), and one will be used on a QB. And there are at least 2 or 3 needs (most important – NT) on the defensive line alone (assuming they stick with the 3-4), plus O-line (especially guard), WR, safety, maybe RB.

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