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Looks Like Someone Has a Sixpack of the Mondays

1. Chalk up another "We should have won, could have won, but really had no business being close to winning" day. I mean, there we were yet again...the ways this team takes losses are simply amazing. What lessons are we learning this year? Really...what are we gaining from the experience of almost winning this many times? I worry that the lesson being driven into this team is more how to lose than how to win. I suppose the hope is that another offseason of roster upheaval will further erode the foundation of our institutional culture of losing. We can only hope that young, promising players like Brian Orakpo and Trent Williams will escape the psychological anvil that has destroyed guys who have played here in the past. After all, there is a limit to how much bullshit a professional can withstand before he either decides to leave or decides to give up and go through the motions. The good news for us is that we are still in the beginning stages of yet another regime. There is at least some hope that a plan is in place--and progress is being made. The bad news for us is that we are in the beginning stages of yet another regime. There is at least some concern that a plan is in place--and progress is being defined differently by just about everyone.

2. Santana...you have to make that catch at the end of the game. Great game otherwise though. Rex looked for him plenty, especially around the end zone. Anyone care to handicap the chances Santana Moss is a Redskin next year?

3. Is there a rule about not getting Chris Cooley involved until the 4th quarter?

4. The interception by Rex in the 1st quarter was just bloody awful. I don't know the right answer, so help me out: how much responsibility does Mike Sellers have there? I know it looked like he was working the sidelines and they went back to that play again later in the game, but coming out of the backfield, should he be more helpful to a quarterback under pressure? It seemed Rex thought he was the outlet, or at least that Big Mike would come back for the ball. Then again, it was kind of an awful throw.

5. I know that it was suggested to Kevin (and then repeated here yesterday) that Mike Shanahan could be gone next year and McNabb could be back. I'll give you the likelihood of that scenario: 0%. Snyder and Shanahan go back a long way. He is not going to can the coach he coveted for years (if you believe what he told Kevin and I in our interview last August) for an elderly quarterback that just had a horrible season. Remember...Snyder and Pat Bowlen (owner of the Denver Broncos) developed a relationship very soon after Snyder took over the team. As unhappy as Snyder is right now--and by all accounts, he is very unhappy--I have to believe he is pretty much handcuffed to the Shanahan/Allen project for at least a little longer. 

6. Despite Rexy having a decent day in the box score, the chances we draft a quarterback high next season are rising by the second. With each loss, our first round pick edges closer and closer to the top of the board. I don't envy the guy whose job it is to try and talk Shanahan out of drafting a signal caller at the top of the draft next year. Damn...I'm that guy. Perhaps the sight of Kory Lichtensteiger in the backfield yesterday looking like he wanted to strike up a conversation with Rex instead of block for him might underline the urgency to upgrade our line.

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Can't wait to see a rookie QB get slaughtered behind our OL next year

Great plan Shanny.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 20, 2010 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

It is going to hurt watching us pass up what will most likely be a real gem on the offensive line...

Our pick will be high enough where we will most likely be able to take a stud tackle to pair with Trent for a decade. Even better…we could come back at the top of the 2nd and bring in the best Guard or Center available.

Why do I even write these words and get myself all excited for nothing?

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 20, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

LOVE OF THE SPORT?

Ya do it ‘cause that’s all us ‘Skins fans have been able to do for YEARS….we sure as heck ain’t packin’ no suitcases to go to any playoff games anytime soon….
Still, you’re right. It sure looks like the round one pick is gonna be a QB and what’s worse is that there isn’t a Sam Bradford in this year’s draft and even if there were, we’ll be picking too late to take him……

by Tee L on Dec 20, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

we better be having another meet up

I have a feeling I’m gonna need to be nice and wasted by the time the 1st round is over.

Ugh

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Dec 20, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Exactly, without a surefire can’t miss pick, doesn’t make sense to stay there when we would REALLY benefit ourselves to slip back a few spots and pick up an extra pick along the way. Just remains to be seen which franchise will need our spot…

by tony420 on Dec 20, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't see anybody worth taking in the Top 5 or 10

Unless you want a Project QB in Cam Newton or Ryan Mallett, both of which have character issues. It would make sense to trade back, but most likely Shanahan’s probably going to trade up and take that kid from Stanford who reminds him of that guy in Denver; However, there’s a chance Kyle may like a Quarterback in the 2nd round of the draft because as we all know Matt Schaub was drafted in the 3rd round in Atlanta and we all know how that turned out.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 20, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly...

ugh, it still baffles me when people melt at the thought of having him as our QB. Ryan Mallett, same with him.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 20, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Trading back is always easier said than done of course

But our needs are so great at Offensive Line, I don’t think you could fault this Front Office for taking the best lineman available.

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 20, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

but we have heyer and artis hicks lol lol

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on Dec 20, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

and Jammal "Hips" Brown

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 21, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the move Shanahan made

I think we’re on the right path also. Shanahan told us from get-go that they would hit bumps along the road and would make mistakes. Regardless of what these armchair cynical GM’s say. There’s a reason you’re working a shit 9-5 job and not running a football franchise.

Regardless of the turnovers by Rex, anyone who says putting Rex in for McNabb wasn’t the right move after watching the most points being put up in 365 days doesn’t know football.

If you don’t like where the franchise is going, stop buying the god damn tickets, and stop watching the games! You’re either in or you’re out. Pretty simple.

by Broda on Dec 20, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

you're not suggesting I am not on board the rebuilding train I hope?

Just making sure you are calling out the right people here…I want them to cop to rebuilding and stop selling us “The Future is Now” crap.

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 20, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so in this draft.

I think we’ll end up with the 7th pick.

  • We know one QB will be off of the board by then and maybe 2. Depends on Buffalo…
  • Tennessee, San Francisco, Minnesota, and Miami will be right behind us and may be salivating for a QB and will want to move up to grab Newton or someone else.
  • What about the Colts? This may be their shot to get an heir apparent to Manning (He’ll be 35 in November)
  • Jacksonville could also be looking QB.
  • Arizona is the kicker, if we could some how slip in front of them then we would have a ton of leverage with their pick and/or McNabb.

by Parks Smith on Dec 20, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Just to add to your point I thought people wanted to “Rebuild” and I still strongly believe McNabb was Allen and Snyder’s move and we all know how that turned out.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 20, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

ok
There’s a reason you’re working a shit 9-5 job and not running a football franchise.

Yup. there’s also I reason I come on this blog to discuss how I feel about the team:

b/c it’s a blog for fans to comment on the team, got it?

If you don’t like where the franchise is going, stop buying the god damn tickets, and stop watching the games! You’re either in or you’re out. Pretty simple.

Maybe you’re a fairweather fan like that, but I’m not quitting on my team just b/c our owner is a failure so far.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 20, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

I don’t feel like I see eye to eye with you too much, but I agree 100% here.

by Jornek on Dec 20, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

this is a pretty toxic statement

If you don’t like where the franchise is going, stop buying the god damn tickets, and stop watching the games! You’re either in or you’re out. Pretty simple.

I’ve been “buying the forsaking tickets, and watching the games” for about 30 years. And, for most if the last TWENTY, I haven’t liked the direction of this franchise. By your logic, we should just be content with the status quo. Which means, there was no reason to loathe Cerrato, question Snyder, or laugh at Zorn. As a Skins fan, I am invested heart and soul into this team. So I feel no guilt whatsoever when I see something I think is wrong, and voice my opinion. I will forever believe that the move to Rex was idiotic. I don’t care what he did, not was I surprised. And, make no mistake, he did as much to lose us that game as he did to win it. Maybe more. This is the exact same type of performance that drove Chicago fans crazy for years. What’s getting lost in the euphoria of his 4th quarter heroics, are his 1st quarter blunders. If not for our defense playing beyond themselves in that 1st quarter, we could’ve been down 28 to zip.
But this isn’t about Grossman, in my opinion. It’s about Shanahan making the same type of headscratching decisions that have plagued this franchise for years. If you’re gonna rerun the preseason and start “evaluating” players again, then put in the young guys, across the board. Play Beck, and Austin. Start Cook, see if you can get some consistency out if Davis. Start Riley and Barnes. THOSE are the players who need evaluation. Not a journeyman quarterback who’s best days were, and will always be, in Gainesvville.

by CJHutch on Dec 20, 2010 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree completely

If there is ANY upside to Rex it’s minuscule so why not play Beck. And if we’re now in player evaluation mode then check out all those others guys you mentioned too. But then Shanahan refuses to talk about rebuilding. Can we get 1 straight answer from the guy?

by aFan4Life on Dec 20, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

this guy must be another one of shanny,s kids what a turd .

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on Dec 20, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

These are tough times, but you can't panic... I think everybody needs to calm down.

A)Despite the fact that we are going to draft a Quarterback in the 1st round of the draft, If Shanahan is allowed two offseasons, then I would like to see where this goes. Certainly the kid we draft next year will be thrown into the Lion’s Den halfway through the season, I hope to god we take a guard or center in the Second round or that kid is going to be lying on the dirt all day long.

B) As for McNabb, can we actually get at least our 3rd Rounder back (I know it’s actually a 4th, but w/e)?

C) Where can we ship Haynesworth?

D) Does this mean we’re not going to draft a Nose Tackle?

All I can do is sit back and watch everything unfold, then make a judgement.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 20, 2010 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

any possible way that they are letting rex and beck play to up their value this offseason?

by oklahomaskins on Dec 20, 2010 12:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

upping Beck from a 7th round pick to a 6th round?

No.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 20, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

for the line about Kory wanting to strike up a conversation with Rex…

by Cubsfan21 on Dec 20, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

he knows he's not going anywhere

since he’s shanny’s boy

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Dec 20, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly that's kinda true.

Most Coaches love their own players, I mean I feel as though the guy has a lot of talent and he has the potential to be pretty good, but he needs to start focusing on pass blocking.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 20, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's annoying

I know Devin Thomas wasn’t producing and I don’t disagree with his release but Shanny has no qualms about releasing players brought in by the previous regimes. Can’t he release some of his people? Or at least get them to work?

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Dec 20, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is

Lich does just enough to give a false sense of hope and he’s versatile. But I think this year has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Shanny isn’t afraid to cut “his boys” if they don’t produce (i.e. McNabb, Hicks, Dennis Morris).

I Am Jack's Raging Bile Duct

by VA_Skin on Dec 20, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a good point, I think we’re all getting in the mindset that Shanahan has a “it’s my way, only my way, and my way is the right way” mentality. Which could actually be true, but he has shown that he will correct his mistakes: like keeping larry johnson then releasing him (took him waaaay to long but oh well), cutting a draft pick of his own, and benching McNabb because he wasn’t a good fit or something.

Then again, how worried should we really be with his personnel decisions?

"You're fucking out!"

by travisjh86 on Dec 20, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

or traded Dennis Morris to the Rams*

my bad

"You're fucking out!"

by travisjh86 on Dec 20, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its enough

with attempts at rational thinking. You have to think like Washington management. Washington management thinks like Monty Python exemplified by their first movie. I built a castle and it sank into the swamp. I built a second castle. That burned down, fell over and then sank into the swamp.But the 3rd one, that stood.This is Snyder and the Redskins. Every castle they build sinks into the swamp, but that never stops them from building them. I expect another 1st pick to be used on a QB because one day that castle won’t sink into the swamp.

by hambonejackson on Dec 20, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

+1

Although I’d argue Danny’s Castle In The Swamp is trading away the picks in the first place

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 20, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

SURE

Me & Sammy Baugh go way back…..lol….

by Tee L on Dec 20, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Jurgenson, I suppose

and they traded for him. What makes this organization think that they will get on now? They spent, what? 5 or 6 picks on their 2 QBS and for that they got 8-8, 4-12. and 5-7.

by hambonejackson on Dec 20, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been a fan since the 70s

and that was Kilmer, followed by Thiesmann and I think Theismann & Rypien are the closeest guys we’ve had to franchise QBs and even as a fan I can’t claim they are in the same category as Montanna, Marino, and Peyton Manning. So were they franchise QB’s?

by aFan4Life on Dec 20, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Brad Johnson, while not necessarily a "franchise" QB

was pretty darn close…he was certainly good enough to win games for us from the QB spot and would have enabled us to invest resources at other places on the field.

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 20, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

then again...

how do you say no to Jeff George?

(I apologize to anyone who was still trying to live their life as if the Jeff George debacle never happened)

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 20, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

But for how many seasons?

My point is, its not how good they were. Its how long do they last?

by hambonejackson on Dec 20, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

well...he won a Super Bowl after he left here

so it would seem that he had some more gas in that tank

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 20, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Brad was only here for a cup of coffee

maybe two seasons if I recall.

I see your point about our lack of longevity/continuity at the signal caller spot.

John Friesz wasn’t given a fair shake, though. (yeah, that happened too)

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 20, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

McNabb played 11 seasons with the Eagles. How many QBs has this team gone through during that time, including McNabb. He’s dumped afer 12 games for Grossman who will be dumped for whoever is next. If this team drafted a QB and he actually had a career here that will be the 1st in my lifetime.

by hambonejackson on Dec 20, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope for your sake that they wait one more year to draft that QB

Because if they do it next year, they will ruin yet another young quarterback’s career by putting him behind a horrible line.

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 20, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Thiesman was the last

At least the last of the “long” career QBs for Washington. Rypien was close, but his career wasn’t that long (7 seasons???)

We’ve had a few guy who could have been career guys, but we ruined them because of the volatility of the team, the coaches, and the line.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Dec 20, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

They can last a long time

A lot of those franchise QB’s played for years – over a decade.

by aFan4Life on Dec 20, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

theisman ?

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on Dec 20, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

good positive spin

I’m just not buying the Shanahan Kool Aid. Shanahan’s double talk is no way to develop the team – what rookie is going to believe him after the way he’s dealt with the veterans this year?

by aFan4Life on Dec 20, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Draftind a QB and calling him the future is not Redskin football. Unfortunately, the tradition of the QB controversy has become rather pathetic. Its been reduced to the Shulers and Ferottes. Where are the Humphries and Trent Greens on this team? And the Frieszs.
The QB situation in this city is pathetic and now they are going to delude themselves that they can draft one for the future of this team? Why don’t they loot other teams backups? Or use a late round pick to build depth at the position? Brad Johnson cost the team too much. This team never spent much on QBs. So why are the now?

by hambonejackson on Dec 20, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

Best possible scenario for the offseason?

Let’s say Grossman posts similar numbers for the final two games of the season. Would people feel comfortable having him as the #1 QB and addressing our concerns at O-line? I don’t see much difference between backing him and backing Jason Campbell, who I was comfortable starting this year while other more urgent problems were addressed.

Rex at least has a grasp of the offense (it would seem). My real dilemma is figuring out how we address two serious issues with limited draft picks. We have a dire need at center, and I really think we need to find a stud NT if we are going to continue with this 3-4 obsession. Do we go for another OT to compliment Silverback in the first round, shift some existing players, and look for a NT later? Or do quality NT’s usually disappear in the 1st round?

Whatever the best path is, it certainly isn’t blowing our top draft pick on a QB. If Shanny thinks we are one QB away from a superbowl, then the whole debate is moot and we are totally screwed. We don’t have a consistent running game (O-line quality). Our defense gives up too many yards (weak NT).

by willster on Dec 20, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

whoop

there it is

Address other needs, then try to go out and get your QB…

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Dec 20, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

+ infinity

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 20, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Newest member of the Rex Grossman fan club....

Draft lineman for the next 2 years… O and D…. Look for talent where it falls in FA and rebuild this thing right…. Stockpile picks… Trade everything of value away now. Hoard picks like Belicheck. Hasn’t the entire college draft been told to report to Foxboro in August? They have all the picks. It is crazy… I know Bill will trade em away… for more picks….. It is what he does… We need to learn…. Lab Rats learn quicker than this FO.

Oh btw let “sexy rexy” end his career prematurely behind this attrocious line for the next year or two… It is the best move to make! Why risk your “franchise” QB behind this line… We will end up with a Stafford…. Forever injured! Should never have let JC go… but hindsight is 20/20 I wasnt for the McNabb trade but was definately a get rid of JC supporter. Mcnabb was the absolute wrong move. Period… Shannies need to learn from their mistakes and fix this… I still think we are 3 years possibly 2 away from a playoff game. I just hope we move in the right direction.

by NESKINSFAN on Dec 20, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

haha
Hasn’t the entire college draft been told to report to Foxboro in August?

by willster on Dec 20, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Please don’t take a first round QB. Tank the rest of our season, take AJ Green with our soon to be top 5 pick (giving us a great reciever) and potentially take the dropping like a rock Jake Locker with the 2nd round pick. Passing up potentially the next calvin johnson would be a terrible mistake. Unless you can get Luck, I don’t think you take a QB with that first round pick, passing up a surer option at a position of greater need.

by 8vechkin on Dec 20, 2010 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

Shanny/Brucey are never going to do that. There’s no olinemen worth a top of the first round grade. I’ll buy AJ Green + Interior lineman in round 2, but i just can’t imagine Shanny’s ego passing up a QB of the future.

Sigh….irrationality at head coaching. Wait- this is the redskins! What’s new??

by 8vechkin on Dec 20, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Look on wikipedia for a list "here":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_starting_quarterbacks

of Washington QBs. Their best QBs after Norm Snead came to the Skins for next to nothing. CFL, USFL,, 6th rounders,Gannon was released and picked up, The first rounders: Shuler, Ramsey, Campbell and he cost 2.

by hambonejackson on Dec 20, 2010 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

I fucked that link up

you can copy it. But clearly, the Skins are best served when they build a team and then dig up some dipsh-t and stick him in there. They won SBs with these guys

by hambonejackson on Dec 20, 2010 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

grossman the answere oh christ .

try and get ryan fitzpatrick from the bills the bills have not had a franchise qb since kelly and they are going in on the luck sweepstakes fitz is smart doesnt turn the ball over and is pretty accurate and could work in shannys system so there now we can go get jake kirkpatrick or anthony costanzo problem solved .

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on Dec 20, 2010 7:57 PM EST reply actions  

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