You've got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them." So says, LJP"

by LETJASONPASS on Dec 18, 2010 3:10 AM EST

While I am at it let me finish! Know when to walk away, and know when to run. This one verse from the song/move of Kenny Rodgers named "The Gambler' has helped me out a lot in life. I could have been going through a rough time in my life be it business, relationship or other related. This one phrase has helped me break free of many a bad situation. The problem with most people when it comes to making decisions is that they use their "gut" feelings more then common sense/ brain.

Let's be honest people look at what Shanahan has done to a team that was already a mess. He came in and traded Jason Campbell a starting NFL QB for peanuts. He brought in Donovan Mcnabb to take over as a replacement. He then disrespected Mcnabb by not taking any of his advice. Donovan said he wanted us to sign Brian Westbrook. By the way HOW MANY THIRD DOWNS COULD WE HAVE PICKED UP THIS YEAR WITH WESTBROOK AS A SKIN. Donovan was also pushing for us to sign Terrell Owens. If Donovan could forgive T.O. for the sake of winning. Why could Shanahan not do the same? Why is it that Donovan saw that we needed help in the receiving game and Shanahan did not? You would think if a future Hall Of fame QB asked for multiple offensive weapons we would have made sure we signed at least one. This was his first time disrespecting Donovan. I am not even going to mention "Benchgate." Now here we are at benchgate 2.

Where do I start with the Devin Thomas fiasco? He spent so much time devaluing Devin in the media that we could not trade him. He did the same thing with Jason Campbell and Albert Haynesworth. He spends so much time not supporting his players during press conferences that he devalues them. So in the future any player that we plan on getting rid of we will get only crumbs in exchange because Shanahan devalues them in public prior to getting rid of them.

Think about it people Shanahan got rid of JC 17 for peanuts. He has benched our best Defensive lineman (Haynesworth) , Benched or Qb (Mcnabb) and waived our 2nd best WR, Devin Thomas. I am not going to even mention the Larry Johnson and Willie Parker crap. BTW, what took Shanahan so long to realize Larry was washed up? This idiot has made to many mistakes to mention.

Think about how many lies/ half truths this guys has told. What type of player worth anything would want to play for a coach that lies all the time like this. The only FA's we will be getting are ones like Larry Johnson. We will only be able to sign washed up ones. We all now see that Shanahan is no Bill Belichick when it comes to using a player to his strengths. If he were a Belichick then we could get away with signing no name FA's and making chicken salad out of chicken shick. But we have a coach that does not even know how to use players like Albert Haynesworth, Devin Thomas, Donovan Mcnabb, Fred Davis and more to their strengths. Before anyone says anything about us only drafting players and not picking up FA's. NO team wins only with draft picks !!!

So my point with this whole rant is that Shanahan is so stuck in his ways to learn from his mistakes of this year. He will not change his EGO. We all complained about Dan Snyder being so involved with making decisions on this team. It finally seems like he has taken a step back, and now look what we have a Ego Maniac in charge !!

LJP says " You've got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, and know when to run, you never count your money, while sitting at the table, their will be time to do the counting, when the dealings done.

I think it is now time for us to fold our cards and walk away. I think it is time for us all to accept that we need a new hand. (coach)

Thank You !! Kenny Rodgers for the advice !! Lets see if Dan Snyder will take it and get rid of Mike "B. H." Shanahan !!

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Maybe those Kenny Rodgers lyrics

were actuall pointing at us getting rid of some of the dead weight that was holding our team back.

It looks as though we could possibly “walk away” or even “run” from guys like Haynesworth, Portis, McNabb, Moss, and guys that we already cut like Reinhardt, Thomas, Galloway, Parker, Johnson etc, etc.

Maybe the “know when to hold em” refers to guys like Keiland Williams, Kory L, Torain,Banks, Austin, Cook, Capers etc, etc. Maybe these guys are going to become the new face of the team.

There are many different ways to interperate this season. Maybe, this is just another possibility.

Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.

by Tiller56 on Dec 18, 2010 8:45 AM EST reply actions

Tiller, You are hillarious trying to make sense out of the nonsensical.shanny is a lying egotistical azz hole.

He is not respected by his players only feared by a few. This clown will be gone soon enough. The great thing is that we will now be able to find an even better coach. The rest of the NFL has watched as Dan Has been hands off this year. The problem is that he choose the wrong coach to step back from the team with. So trust me the whole NFL coaching community has watched Shanahan make a fool of himself and the skins. It will be easy to find a quality coach to coach the skins now that Snyder has shown that he can be hands off.

by LETJASONPASS on Dec 18, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions

My only reply to this is:

I’d rather loose with young players, than with these old-ass physical disasters we had on the team(ie Galloway, Johnson, Parker). Hopefully more will be gone this offseason(Carter, Holliday, Daniels-even though I like him, Moss, Portis, Kemo, Rabach)

Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.

by Tiller56 on Dec 18, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions

This might be the point tiller

I’d rather lose with up-and-coming young players also but, these old as physical disasters we have/had on the team are mostly Shanahan pickups-
Galloway
Johnson
Parker
holiday
Kemo
were all brought in to replace proven starters (and in some cases they were younger)
I don’t think it’s fair to lump in Carter, Daniels, moss, Portis or Rabach into this category-these players have been on the team for more than a year and have been productive recently (Carter had double-digit sacks last year). Moss is still in the top 10 for total yardage. most of the others have seen better days, but were replaced. I don’t see how this is defensible

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 18, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions

Lots of typos they are sorry-

Old ass
were=weren’t

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 18, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions

Carter had double diget sacks as a DE in the 4-3

He does not fit the 3-4 at all. He needs to go. Portis needs a walker to get around Redskins Park. He needs to go. Rabach can’t block a 5th grader. He needs to go. Moss, although he’s been consistant, is a 32 year old FA wide receiver. He too, in the name of a youth movement, needs to go. Daniels, as much as I love the guy, needs to retire.

I think for the sake of a youth movement, that these guys should move on, or retire. like I said, if we are going to loose, lets loose with young guys that at least have some upside, not guys who are looking for a cushy team to retire with.

Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.

by Tiller56 on Dec 18, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions

The thing about this is that Shanahan has brought in more youth then has veterans. You can't keep pointing to Galloway as the primary example.

We we’re screwed at NT so we almost had to get Kemo.

But Shanny did bring in Torain, K Williams, T Williams, Davis, Banks, Armstrong, Licht, Austin, Andre Brown, Carriker, Jeremy Clark, Cook (on the active roster now), Harris, Riley, Capers, and Young.

All young players that can develop as Redskins.

Its a pretty unusual mix right now and I really think a lot of the vets are way to comfortable at Redskins Park. I think next year will be more of the young developing team that you are looking for. But then there are going to be fans screaming to win now! (You know there will be).

by Parks Smith on Dec 18, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions

I just want to reiterate that I am not one of those "win now" fans

I think Pommy from Australia said it best-it’s much more fun to watch a young team develop and get better every year as a group than to watch a bunch of mercenaries whether they win or not.

And the only reason I brought up that particular group of players was to directly respond to tillers remark.

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 18, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions

But '77

I said I wanted those old players out as Redskins. I kind of lost you in your remarks. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

True, some of the guys I’m complaining about were brought in by Shanny, but he has also cut many of them, some even before the season started. Like RVA said, Shanny is responsible for more young players than old ones. This is something I like about him. Even when he realizes that some of these guys were mistakes, he just cuts them, and move on.

Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.

by Tiller56 on Dec 18, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions

Yes I'm agreeing with you that they need to go

I’m just pointing out that in some cases they never should’ve been here, and in other cases they need to go either because of injury or because they’ve been schemed out of a position.

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 18, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions

I see

True, some should have never been here in the first place. Just glad guys like Parker and Galloway were let go. That was freaking embarrasing.

I also like the moves Shanny made on the O-Line. He’s at least giving some of these young guys a look to see if they can play.

I will say, the combination of Williams, Licht, Rabach, Monty and Brown, have been playing much better than that same line with Dock andHicks in it.

Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.

by Tiller56 on Dec 18, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions

What's funny is....

trying to make sense out of the nonsensical

This is what we have to do with all your posts!!! By the way….it’s Kenny Rogers…….not Kenny “Aaron” Rodgers!!!

Twas a dark and stormy night when Tony Romo turned his key...
He was scared about the prospect of going back to D.C.
When he entered his room he saw some crutches wrapped in a bow...
Attached with a note that said "you’ll need these... signed...Brian Orakpo" (thanks skinsfan28)

by shvd98z24 on Dec 19, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions

Shit

by DCtoAustralia on Dec 18, 2010 8:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

This

is the best reply I’ve ever seen to an LJP post. Bravo, sir, for in your simplicity and brevity, you have unleashed a quiet but powerful wave of condemnation never before seen.

by tuckwell on Dec 19, 2010 5:39 AM EST up reply actions