Rex Grossman May Start versus Cowboys?
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 14, 2010 1:03 PM EST
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PrintChris Mortensen has been on this Rex Grossman news most of the season (some right, some wrong), but he recently just reported:
Chris Mortensen on @ESPN: "There's a chance" Rex Grossman starts Sunday. Said #Redskins considering resting McNabb because he's not 100%. [@granthpaulsen]
What makes this interesting? McNabb was on ESPN today saying he's 100%.
McNabb says "nothing is wrong." with body. Asked if he is healthy? "Yes indeed, a hundred percent....on offense: "Im very comfortable with the offense. About 100%" after Kevin [Sheehan] asked him about saying earlier in year 70% [@russellmania09]
What a frickin mess. I really hate this kind of stuff. To me, it sounds like Shanahan knows what he has with McNabb and now he wants to see what he has with Grossman. Either way, why is their no communication or who is leaking this stuff? Perhaps there's a chance this is ESPN fluff, but I doubt it.
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I thought we hit rock bottom already...
why not go for the gusto, these are the Redskins after all
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
WOW
Shanahan really has a way with his players. Why would anyone want to play for him at this point?? At least we don’t have to worry about use getting players n FA this year.
Any players that haven't revolted yet again Shanahan probably will if Sexy Rexy gets the start.
4 picks, 2 fumbles, maybe 1 TD, 100 yds? Something like that right?
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Dec 14, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions
backup
but he’s not a starter. I think Campbell would have been a better backup.
I obviously want McNabb to play, but I'm curious to see what Beck could do.
Grossman is about 3 million dollars cheaper than JC.
I'd love to see what he could do too
Cause it sure as heck isn’t play football. Insurance adjuster? Accountant? Cashier?
by terpskinsfan on Dec 14, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How about
ball holder on XP’s and FG’s…..
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I think the line people have been using lately
“Who cares, it’s Danny’s money.”
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
team chemistry & leadership cares
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
yet and still
even today, we’re calling for the biggest and baddest out of free agency.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I am also curious about Beck
but I don’t think he’s a better option than McNabb. So if Beck plays aren’t we officially going for a earlier draft pick?
Beck was given a starting job in Miami and bombed
just keep that in mind
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
yeah but
before we send him packing, find out if he can improve. If not then get a future QB to man the 3rd QB position.
Given where we’re at, I see no reason to keep a guy at 3rd QB if he doesn’t have a big upside. If there’s a place to gamble it’s at 3rd QB…or for us even at 2nd QB.
That’s why I didn’t want Grossman at 2nd QB – he has very little upside and he’s obviously not the future. We aren’t :winning now" so why not go for winning in the future?
Rex Grossman may start vs Cowboys
The only way he should even see the field is from the sidelines if he gets under center it should be only if McNabb is taken off the field on a stretcher.
The whole damn world is against us!!
ESPN bs, Yahoo stories, every sports pundit out there is just taking great effing peasure in piling on, and I’m getting pretty damn sick of it! Can’t go two days without some new Redskin related player/coach/benching/over-pay/injury issue. This isn’t the only team with problems, but you’d think that every other stupid ass team out there is friggin perfect. If Mort is just specu-guessing this, I’ll swear off ESPN for life (not that I’m too far from doing that already)!
If he’s right, I probably give ESPN one more chance…. BUT THAT’S IT!!!
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
it's not like we don't provide them with tons of fodder
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Yes, but
It’s as if there is an extra bit of pleasure in beating the Redskins up.. Kick us while we’re down, tear us down when we’re up. Gets old, that’s all. That and I’m getting really testy impatient with the yearly re-tool, rebuild, fire/hire, FA dud signing cavalcade of horrors that this team has managed to become over the past 15 years or so.
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
A quick reminder...
First, there’s Haynesworth. Then, Mike SHITS on Donovan. THEN, we have to hear about it for two straight weeks. THEN, we get our ASSES handed to us by the Eagles. And NOW, back to Haynesworth. If my pattern serves me correctly, there will be another run in/benching of McNabb in a week or so.
At some point, you have to look at Mike Shanahan and call a spade a spade.
by J.Cash on Dec 6, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
Cam Newton
We need to lose out to have any shot at Cam! Shanahan knows that!
Gotta have faith! Cam or Luck! 5-11 might get us one of them!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Has nothing to do with faith...
5-11 isn’t getting you Luck and I don’t want Cam Newton anywhere near Redskins Park.
+1000
I’m pretty sure you’re the only one who whole-heartedly agrees with me on this. He’s got maturity issues, not in the sense of Vince Young, but he’s not a guy I could see studying his ass off and watching film of his mistakes.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 14, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I have to say this honestly....
that is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard, I hope you’re joking
You are clearly a dumbass ST21
All the talk below you did about the mythical “franchise qb” illustrates it. You happen to think Cam Newton is a “franchise qb.” The problem is that no one can predict that with any certainty. Franchise quarterbacks don’t just pop out of college for people to snap up with the words “franchise qb” stamped on their butts. They end up becoming franchise qb’s through a process of hard work, coaching, character development, fitness for a system, supporting players, and a solid dose of luck.
Every year we hear about all these franchise qb’s and funny enough, for the vast majority of them, we never hear about them again after draft day. On the other hand high picks spent on the guys who fight in the trenches tend to be a lot less bust prone. Because of the nature of the position the transition isn’t as big. That is what we need now.
As a side note you are seriously the most irritating kind of fan. I bet you spent the Zorn era rubbing pictures of Colt Brennan all over yourself. Now be a good boy and soak your head in turpentine then go post at Redskins Insider with the other simpletons.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 14, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ur A Idiot!
U tell me im a dumbass for talkin about a mythical franchise qb! A myth is something that is not factually true! But then u go on to define a franchise qb! How is this possible? How can you define something thats mythical? Also a fitness for a system? Idiot! Solid dose of luck? Who’s the mythologist? Ur theories should never be heard! No rational person will except you as a contributor to any form of information or knowledge!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 15, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
franchise QBs exist but they are rare
and as you stated, there are a lot of factors that go into the making of one but does that mean we never try to get one?
I’m all for grabbing a franchise QB if there is one in the draft and if we can get him without trading all of our picks away. I just think it’s unlikely that we’ll be in that position. To get Luck (picking his name because it seems like the majority of people think he’s the best shot at becoming a franchise QB) we’d have to move up which means trading away picks which in turn means we won’t be able to patch most of the other holes we’ve got.
This teams needs a lot more than a franchise QB so we can’t afford to trade away draft picks.
?
Yea ur right cuz Cam doesnt really have any potential!
Cmon Bro
Brad Johnson was the last better then average Qb we had and when’s the last time we had a franchise Qb?! Jeff George, Tony Banks, Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerful, Tim Hasselback, Ramsey, Brunell, Collins, Campbell, McNabb and thats in the last 9 years and the list will go on and on until we solve this problem! If you have a better solution let me know!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I agree build the Oline!
But didnt we spend a top 5 pick on oline last year? There’s a better chance of getting good olineman later in the draft then a Franchise QB! Cam isnt Vince Young an he isnt Jamarcus Russell! He’s more Josh Freeman and Big Ben without the rape charges!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
You can't say this b/c he's far from a sure thing... He could be great or a tremendous bust... I think Luck is the only sure thing
Cam isnt Vince Young an he isnt Jamarcus Russell! He’s more Josh Freeman and Big Ben without the rape charges!
No such thing as a sure thing when it comes to the draft!
Andrew Luck could easily be another Ryan Leaf! Not likely but there’s still a chance! All i know is that im sick of watchin BUMS!!! I wanna watch somebody that has a championship mindset an will do anything to Win! I wanna watch BEASTS NOT BUMS!!! I WANT TO WIN NOT LOSE!!! IM SICK OF WATCHIN PRACTICE SQUAD PLAYERS EVERY YEAR IN NOV. AN DEC.!!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
when was the last time we drafted a Franchise QB?
how about never….Maybe Sammy Baugh. Our three Lombardi trophy’s came with three different QB’s under one coach, who understood one simple fact. You have to be able to run the ball, stop the run, and protect your QB. If you can’t do these three things you cannot win consistently in this league.
Cam Newton is three years away from even resembling an NFL QB
As a Bama fan I’ve had to study my enemy. Newton is an improvisational RB/WR with a decent arm. His footwork makes Tebow look like Baryshnikov, he didnt have to really read defenses and make decisions, and he’s really only got one year of experience under his belt. It’s too risky & highly unlikely he would have a sudden impact on the field. Or positive one anyway. Basically, you can can get away with that gimmicky crap in college, even the SEC, with a zany system and speed/strength combo, but not in the big leagues. Besides, does Shanny’s strike ANYONE as the type to adjust his scheme to the player? The ego factor is alarming.
by KellRawLive on Dec 14, 2010 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
great points
and if that really is what Newton is like then I don’t want him either.
Florio
conveniently used the same picture as above in his article about Rex possibly starting…
"You're fucking out!"
damn
I thought I broke this story.
At this point, I just feel like Kyle has some sort of inner hatred for McNabb. The seasons over, Grossman is NOT the future. What do you get outta playing him. The only thing that will come of this (other than an absolute drubbing) is embarrassing McNabb even more. Which is why I am seriously hoping to see Rex go out with an injury, and Donovan come in and lead.the team to victory. Flip the table on Shanaclan.
Now, if Rex DOES start, they had BETTER be planning on shopping McNabb after the season.(if they aren’t already). No way do I want a disgruntled quarterback starting for us next year.
by CJHutch on Dec 14, 2010 4:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
we don't have the future QB on the roster
Even if McNabb vaults back the form he had in his better years, he’s not the long term future – he’s a stop gap.
That said, he’s way better than Grossman and if Grossman starts I’m going to know that our coaches are idiots.
No Luck
One quarterback is not going to solve the problem, just add years to the rebuilding. There are too many holes on this roster to be wasting on the next franchise quarterback. If they end of up with a pick in the first that someone may want, trade it for an extra pick and start bring in linemen, offensive guards/centers and maybe a guy who can play nose tackle. The next best thing comes every year at the QB position, don’t screw the pooch because Colin Cowherd and Mel Kiper swear this kid is a can’t miss.
Next franchise QB?
When’s the last time we had a Franchise Qb? And to think that drafting a “Franchise QB” is a wasted pick? I mean what is your definition of a franchise QB? Never is drafting a ’Franchise QB" a wasted pick!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
New Orleans drafted Archie Manning
That is the definition of a franchise quarterback wasted.
If the Redskins try to draft a franchise quarterback and succeed, it will probably not turn out any better than it did for New Orleans.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 14, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Tell that to the Rams!
The next best thing comes every year at the QB position, don’t screw the pooch because Colin Cowherd and Mel Kiper swear this kid is a can’t miss.
Who would you have taken? Okung? Suh? McCoy? There’s a Sam Bradford every year comin into the league! Dont joke yourself! I didnt see the Cards off an def line get any worse after Warner left! Broncos didnt win super bowls after Elway left! What have the Cowboys done since Aikman left? Tommy Maddox didnt win a SB with the Steelers! Brad Johnson an Trent Dilfer are exceptions cuz their d’s were arguably the top 2 d’s in the past 2 decades! So you show me a SB winner and I’ll show you a Franchise QB! Gibbs did it with 3 different but thats Gibbs and this league is totally different now! Oh Yea didnt Peyton Manning go to the SB with a head coach by the name of Jim Caldwell? Just goes to show you how much a QB means! But who the Hell doesnt know that?
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Show me a super bowl winning team with a shitty o-line
Peyton Manning is Peyton Manning not Cam Newton, he is one of the greatest QBs of all time and none of us know how good of a coach Jim Caldwell is given that teams situation.
remember
the Broncos didn’t win Super Bowls before Terrel Davis. Elway had a decade to try and win a Super Bowl and he repeatedly failed.
The 1990’s Cowboys were built on that great OL and the running of Emmitt Smith – Aikman was over rated. He would have been good anywhere else but not a HOF QB. Non franchise QB’s who won the SB: Rypien, Simms, Doug Williams, Plunkett, McMahon.
Franchise QB’s who haven’t won a SB: Jim Kelly, Marino, Esiason, Cunningham, Fouts, Moon, Tarkenton, Carson Palmer, Rivers, Vick, Rodgers…there are plenty.
This is a team sport and 1 guy doesn’t guarantee a SB. But having a great QB usually makes a team competitive. I’m all for grabbing a franchise QB if there is one but I’m opposed to spending a 1st round pick on an iffy prospect. Every year there are college QB’s who are supposed to be great and they end up being busts.
Still not a wasted pick!
Thats one outta how many franchise qb’s to ever play! The odds are against you! And your comparing the skins to a expansion saints team! Your saying that we wont be able to build around him! If thats the case whats it matter who we draft or what position we draft? Your saying no matter who we draft we’re gonna suck!
The odds are clearly against you...
Just b/c someone has a great year in college doesn’t mean it automatically translates into a franchise QB. Franchise QBs come from everywhere: 1st Overall Pick, 7th Round Pick, or Arena League. Its a crap shoot like anything else.
Newton is far from a sure thing, have you seen him perform under center? Didn’t think so, he’s in shotgun exclusive sets.
This team has many holes it needs to address before QB. And we have a lot of leverage with the draft position we’ll be in and the number of teams that will be trying to get QBs.
DUDE! The Redskins are no better and probably far worse than most expansion teams right now
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 14, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
How?
Its proven that you can get olin an dline in later rounds then a Franchise Qb! Never said Cam is a sure thing but nobody is!
I don't care to look it up, but I'm willing to bet my left nut that there is a higher percentage of "busts" at the skill positions.
by Parks Smith on Dec 14, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that's actually very true.
Skill players have a higher chance of being busts. Interior Linemen and D-Linemen/Linebackers are a hell of a lot lower.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 14, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
There's a higher percentage of players that dont make it period!
Dont gamble ur balls away!
I think his deal is Fans who keep saying they want to rebuild the Offensive line and come Draft day they fall in love with the Best Player Available...
I’m pretty sick and tired of that, if we’re going to do something then stick to it. This is really not our fans fault, but it’s the Owners’ and I think fans should realize that they’ve been hypnotized by this fallacy that overpaying free agents, trading draft picks, and always picking exclusively skill players leads to championships. No offense to you, but it’s just hard to deal with it sometimes because there’s no easy route to a Super Bowl team.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 14, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
U always take the best player available! U kiddin me?
The reason why we never draft anybody is cuz we never have draft picks! I never said not to build the O an D lines but its more likely to get those players in the later rounds then a Franchise Qb in the late rounds! WE NEED BOTH!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
You don’t always take the Best Player Available, especially not when we have so many needs. Contextually, you don’t always take the BPA in the draft. Right now we’re drafting for talent at necessary positions. In two offseasons, I will gladly say “Hey Let’s take the Best Player Available!”, but right now? Hell no. We need to build that line so they can make any QB/RB look like the best player since we were born.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 14, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To refute your comment about a franchise Quarterback, every year scouts say "this is the best draft class since...." well you get the point
There are always Quarterbacks that will be drafted and if there’s a QB Shanahan loves in the later rounds, then fine because there’s a guy in New England who everybody thought would be out of the NFL by the end of training camp. This draft class is not deep at all, in fact this reminds me of the 1998 QB Draft Class.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 14, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't mean to insult you
I’m just being honest. There’s no quick solution to this whole roster debacle. Trust me if there was I’d be on the same page.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 14, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Na bro!
All ur points are ridiculous and I cant fathom ur Tom Brady dream scenario cuz thats one in a billion if not close!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying it's going to happen...
I’m just saying I don’t care about late round picks as much. The draft is top heavy. What’s your deal man? Are you not friends with logic?
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 14, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
U take the best player available on ur board!
What dont u understand? U dont draft for need! What kinda philosophy is that? Not Logical!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Go crawl back in bed with Vinny Cerrato dude
That’s the same philosophy we’ve been following for years and how’s that worked so far? Oh Yeah right we’ve sucked ass for most of the decade.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 14, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not even close!
Ur telling me that u have a player available thats rated highest on ur board but ur gonna drop down to maybe the 20th or 30th guy on ur board cuz u need that position? Get the hell outta here bum!!! And besides we need every position and the most important position is QB!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Unless AJ Green, Andrew Luck, or Julio Jones are available
I refuse to fall into the same damn philosophy we’ve followed for the past decade. If you can’t realize that yourself, then you sir are an idiot because historically Shanahan has taken a lot of linemen in the upper half of the draft and hey guess what if we have a 20th rounder, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd rounder. What do we have oh hey loooooook it’s finally some young talent with the capacity to make an immediate impact. RVAparks is right you sir fail at forming valuable arguments and at refuting counterpoints. Are you having fun in High School? How’s that going for you?
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 14, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
John Elway was a #1 pick!
And in case u dont watch football Shanahan won 2 SB’s with Elway and none after! Let me know!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and Elway looked like a god because Shanahan gave him Hall of Fame Running Back.
How did that Hall of Famer succeed? Well let’s see he had a hell of an Offensive Line. How many SBs did Elway win without Shanahan? Zero. Get your facts straight. Right now is not the right time to draft a Quarterback, If we dare go that route, then it should be Mallet. Also guess what the Broncos were actually relevant for half of last decade, and what did we do, we traded for his Running Back, who’s now on IR for the 2nd straight year.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 14, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Try all u want!
Terrel Davis was there after Elway and they didnt win a SB! Get my facts straight? What fact was wrong? Ur arguments are garbage! Clinton Portis is the second best running back in Redskins history next to Riggins! I say facts an u say garbage delusional opinions!
by ST21BESTEVER on Dec 14, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I single handedly just dismantled every one of you arguments?
Wow, you’re delusional guy.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 15, 2010 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
Davis got injured
and never really recovered. That’s what happens to RBs when they take a lot of carries – they get used up.
I think sometimes our fans forget we're on their side...
I don’t think any of my points were that crazy.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 15, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Hey everybody who keeps saying that we should draft Cam Newton, how about you sober up from the Kool-Aid?
Andrew Luck is the most sure thing, and when I say the most sure thing I mean he already has the physical tools to compete in the NFL, but he has something Cam Newton, Ryan Mallett, or Jake Locker don’t have; dedication to the game of football. I’m pretty sure Shanahan wants two things above all else from his QB: Accuracy and Dedication. The Cam Newton and Mike Shanahan marriage could not work and you guys know this because he demands too much from his players which is fine by me, but some people don’t have the patience to deal with that; however, only someone with extreme dedication to football and ability to want to learn can put up with it. I honestly think Andrew Luck is that person and put in this system can excel beyond anything we’ve seen in years, not because of his skills, but because he can be coached into being an excellent QB and is willing to accept it. I don’t think we should draft a Quarterback this year because it’s just not the right time. We need to address the Offensive and Defensive lines with this draft and concentrate on acquiring more picks, while filling some wholes with reasonable contracts in Free Agency.
the more I read the more I think it's Luck or OL
The consensus I see from the draft guru’s (not named Kiper) is that Luck is the surest thing at a franchise QB in this draft and the others are all pretty iffy.
So I’m going with Luck or OL.
Yeah, but I just don't think we'll have a shot at drafting him.
The problem is that we’re in a position to draft a player who’ll be pretty talented, but I don’t know if they have the capacity to be a Brian Orakpo, LaRon Landry, or a Trent Williams. The Offensive linemen this year are ready to start, but relative to where we’re drafting there aren’t any worth taking (Think contract money), that’s literally the only reason I would trade down, the extra picks is a plus.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 15, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
i love the fall…the circus comes to town every week.
grossman…one play, one turnover lol
seriously, i would be surprised though not shocked if this were true. not that he wont get some PT…but not a start…though…doesnt our trade w the eagles have some performance clauses ? or is it a mute point
either way…we need to draft a young qb asap without reaching…like colt mccoy in the third (oh wait, we traded that pick away for a guy who does not play) lol
by les boulez bomber on Dec 14, 2010 10:47 PM EST reply actions
speaking of the draft…we should be top 10 again this year and i think most of the other teams ahead of us have the qb already. we might be able to pick one up…but can we scout?
by les boulez bomber on Dec 14, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions
Simpletons
“As a side note you are seriously the most irritating kind of fan. I bet you spent the Zorn era rubbing pictures of Colt Brennan all over yourself. Now be a good boy and soak your head in turpentine then go post at Redskins Insider with the other simpletons.”
This blog has more than its’ share of simpletons too, including you.
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