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Redskins fans go from angry to apathetic: Why?

EAST RUTHERFORD NJ - DECEMBER 05:  Donovan McNabb #5 of the Washington Redskins looks on against the New York Giants on December 5 2010 at the New Meadowlands Stadium in East Rutherford New Jersey.  (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

In a game of nasty weather, ugly miscues and the most inexcusable special teams mistake possible, there were a lot of images that will make Redskins fans -- and the organization -- cringe. 

But one image stands out above all. 

An empty stadium. 

I wasn't at the game -- but after having season tickets for 11 years (my family stopped shelling out several grand a year after the first Zorn year and too many frustrated hour-long rides back to Baltimore) -- I have been to over 100 games at FedEx. I've seen teams that were 0-5, some even 3-13, and only one playoff game (1999, a win over Robert Porcher's Lions. That's right, a playoff game between the Redskins and Lions).

We've been blown out, beaten when we're down, and publicly humiliated. But I have never seen a Redskins stadium like that. Attendance was listed at 66,124. But it dipped significantly (cut in half?) at halftime -- when the Redskins were leading 10-9!

Dan Steinberg has photos, but anyone who watched the broadcast Sunday saw the evidence themselves. If I were in Ken's position, I would have done exactly what he did. And frankly, I wouldn't blame anyone else who did. 

So what's the problem? Why is there less excitement now than there was in the early Norv Turner era? Even the early Gibbs era, when the Redskins finished an eerily similar 5-11? 

There's one word to define the Redskins franchise. It's not a pleasant one. I'm searching for another word, but all I can think of is this. To couch the impact of this word, I am now on record saying I believe completely the Redskins will bounce back sometime in Shanahan's tenure.

But in summary, the state of the 2010 Redskins is this:

Hopeless.

Star-divide

I'm aware that's a powerful word. It's one that I have never used about this franchise. In fact, I don't know if I've used it for any DC franchise. Even last year's Wizards had the promise of next year's high draft pick, which matters much more in basketball than football, along a change in ownership and philosophy and young guys like McGee and Young. Elsewhere? Mid-2000's Lions, maybe. Post-Ripken Orioles, at least until a few years ago. 

Hopelessness is worse than anger, worse than disappointment. It's the (only) job of a fan to remain unconditionally hopeful.

But when you look at the Redskins, it's hard to see a reason to attend games. 

There are many worse teams in the NFL than the Redskins. Not coincidentally, we've lost to a few of them. I'd say the 'Skins have better top-to-bottom talent than the Lions, the Bills, the entire NFC West, and several other squads. 

But the Redskins are the current product of a failed philosophy, and it has been backwards for so long that a recovery is going to take a long time. The Redskins have been using band-aids for gashing wounds for so long that eventually the entire product has critical injuries abound.

We all know this. 

On the entire team, there are so few young, exciting players. One of them, who had a chance to start in the Pro Bowl, just went to the IR. That's a huge blow for an already devastated defense and fanbase.

The question is, who can Mike Shanahan really consider to be his foundation moving forward, for the duration of his tenure, on the entire team? Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, Brandon Banks, LaRon Landry, DeAngelo Hall (maybe)... is that it? 

I love London Fletcher. That guy will have my complete support for the HOF when he decides he's had enough. Santana Moss and Clinton Portis -- I consider them to be the most beloved Redskins of this era; in addition to their performance, considering the way they reacted to the death of our favorite son, Sean Taylor. I will forever support Philip Daniels, Anthony Armstrong, Andre Carter, and even Donovan McNabb. There are a few others. But these guys aren't going to be around much longer, either on the team or in the NFL. They know it. The franchise knows it. And now, finally, the fans know it.

The team isn't only bad this year. It's old. There is no "core" to this team that about whom Redskins fans can say, "Ok, this isn't our year, but wait till a few years from now when so-and-so and so-and-so hit their primes!" 

The Lions can say that. Shoot, the Bills can say that (Stevie Johnson, CJ Spiller, Fred Jackson...). The Wizards, Nationals, Capitals, Terps, Hoyas (and Orioles if anyone still likes them) all have something to look forward to, even if this year won't be all that pretty for some. 

The Redskins, at this point, really don't. And I think we all realized that after all those free agency signings, we haven't had the chance to look forward in over a decade. A great team isn't built in an offseason -- it's constructed over years. Lately, we've not even gotten close.

Here's what will happen this offseason: the Redskins will make huge splashes in free agency. They have to. They have the money, will be losing some key players (certainly Haynesworth, probably Rogers, McIntosh, maybe even Moss, who went ballistic in the post-game interviews talking about how he hates losing), and this is likely to be the biggest and strongest free agency class in history given the CBA situation last year.

It's going to happen. The Redskins will hopefully get younger, they will certainly get better, but they will bring in big names for big paychecks and hope to make it work this time. We'll all be fired up, and we'll all believe again. Hopefully, they will make some better moves than they have in the past. There are such things, you know, as good, not-too-expensive free agency signings. We've had a few -- Fletcher, Shawn Springs, Cornelius Griffin, Marcus Washington, Randy Thomas, for examples. We will have more. Those guys were reliable and capable Redskins for five or more seasons.

But the key is the draft. You know it, I know it, everyone in the NFL knows it.

If anyone from Ashburn reads this, I plead with you: keep your draft picks. If possible, get some more. We'll part with just about anyone in order for you to do so. (Someone, please give us a 4th for Fred Davis, right?) We need to have a generation of new players, a phasing-out of the reminders of the last 12 years. The Redskins-are-just-a-paycheck-era needs to end. We need smart, fast, and well-composed leaders who are truly professional, and hungry to win, football players. 

I'd like to take a small aside to focus on one adjective included in that wishlist. "Fast." Have you ever seen a slower team? Minus Banks, everyone feels slow. The defense feels like it's in slow motion, even DeAngelo Hall. Even Moss, our lone gamebreaker on offense for the past half-decade.

We need some speed! We need some gamebreakers. I agree the Redskins need to continue (or, more accurately, to start) to build on the offensive and defensive lines. But we need some guys that will make defenses respect the offense, giving guys like McNabb and Cooley the chance to get in their comfort zones. On defense, we need some guys who can chase down the Dez Bryant's, DeSean Jackson's and Ahmad Bradshaws that we see and get continually torched by twice every year. Too much to ask? How about some guys that can close on 41-year-old Brett Favre on third and seven in the red zone when he's got a broken ankle?!?!?

The only way this team will get substantially better is by drafting the right players. Ask any of the winning teams in the NFL right now. They are pieced together through the draft and a couple of wise signings in free agency. 

It's going to take time. It's going to take patience, and it's not going to take band-aids.

Next year, the Redskins will be better. A Bruce Allen/Mike Shanahan draft will yield us at least two starters at the top of the draft and hopefully a few capable guys -- I'll take just one, even -- in the later rounds and with hungry undrafted guys like Banks was. Redskins One will lap the country courting, hopefully, different kinds of free agents, bringing us leaders like Fletcher is and quality starters like Springs and Washington were for many years.

We need to cut our losses with some of the older players, unless they are ready to help turn things around. We need to refocus and readjust.

Mike Shanahan said it best after the loss yesterday. He realized that taking a four-win team to the Super Bowl will take time when he took the job, he said.

The reason the stands were empty yesterday -- and will probably be empty for the next few weeks, save the opponents' fans -- will be because the fans finally realized that, too.

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Because we are all Dallas fans now

Except for me. I am rooting for the Chargers because the weather is better. Even Meringolo wasn’t all that amped out to sit in a humungous stadium during winter time to watch a team that is on a death watch. I went to RFK as a chillen when the Skins never heard of a playoff game in my lifetime. The Skins will survive. Try the 70’s when Pardee was running the team. This teams offense is explosive compared to those years of Clarence Harmon, the running back who sat in the locker room after the game and smoked cigarettes during interviews. He was their best player on offense. Try going through the Otto Graham years. .500 was a benchmark year for that team. In fact, when Lombardi hit .500 everyone hailed that as a great turn around year for them. This time the Redskins were in the playoffs not long ago. In the 60’s the playoffs were a pipe dream. This period is not the worst lull for this team.
No one expected the Redskins to barrel into 5 super bowl games over the next 19 years.
I blame Snyder exclusively because he was there himself. He may blather about Gibbs, but he was before Gibbs and he himself has created the great lull. He wanted the team and he has it. I think he is finally getting it. He has the right people. i don’t get down on him for experimenting. He
tried, he failed. Unfortunately, his failure has deeply affected the franchise. I make fun of Snyder because he is such a schmo. Not because this team is not winning super bowls. The time will come again for this team. This is not the first time this franchise suffered and under Gibbs it was not the first time this team was exceptional. There is a season. the skins will rise again

by hystericalmaniac on Dec 14, 2010 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

I'm never a Dallas fan

I want them to be the bottom team every year and I’d much rather see the Giants or Eagles in the division.

by aFan4Life on Dec 14, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

i have always hated going to games

the traffic is awful, there are way too many drunks, the bathroom lines are long, beers are too expensive, there are way too many drunks, the weather is awful, the timeouts are unbearable when you dont have another game to flick to, i cant check the box scores of other games, there are way too many drunks, if its a 1 o’clock game I miss the start of the 4 o’clock games, if its a 4 o’clock game i miss the end of the 1 o’clock games, tickets are way too expensive, i can hardly see from the seats that i can afford, there are way too many drunks……need I go on??

Speaking for me personally, I am not apathetic about the Skins this time of year. But rather, I root for them to lose so as to move up in the draft. I have not watched a game closely since the Michael Vick @$$raping on Monday night in week 10. Like right now, I am much more interested in seeing what happens in the NFC South, and who wins the AFC West, than I am in seeing what happens with the Skins the rest of the way.

Why would I watch meaningless football when there are better games on on Sundays?

by John Park Williams on Dec 14, 2010 1:56 AM EST reply actions  

Root for them to lose??????

Wow you are a true fan. Please stay away from our stadium.

Root for the home team jack ass

by KING FEDOR on Dec 14, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

please explain how finishing 8-8, drafting at 20, and being out of the playoffs

is better than finishing 5-11 and draft somewhere between 5 and 10?

Teams that finish the year strongly and out of the playoffs, are the teams that have to give up late round picks on draft just to move up.

The key to any non-playoff season is to lose as much as possible, without letting your young players develop bad habits.

by John Park Williams on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you never play to lose

teams that do so develop a losing attitude…wait…we’re already there.

But a coach should never allow that mentality to exist/continue.

by aFan4Life on Dec 14, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

oh gosh. please spare me the vince lombardi/marty schottenheimer cliches

“play to lose” – i am not suggesting we just take 3 knees and punt every possession.

But i am saying that by playing our 2nd and 3rd stringers more, going for it on 4th and medium quite often, going for random onside kicks at will, and keeping Trent Williams and Orakpo healthy for next year by limiting their action the rest of the way just might help us come one particular weekend in the spring.

players are not robots. just because we secretly (or openly even) would rather lose than win the rest of our games does not mean that Orakpo and Trent Williams are going to show up next August and not give a damn. And if they do, then they we don’t want them on our team in the first place.

by John Park Williams on Dec 14, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

what kind of person does this?
just because we secretly (or openly even) would rather lose than win the rest of our games

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Dec 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I like most Redskins fans would never root for a loss

Root for the home team jack ass

by KING FEDOR on Dec 14, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Post

Well written and sums up my feelings better than I could say. Although I am an O’s fan.

by smith1468 on Dec 14, 2010 1:58 AM EST reply actions  

we gave Snyder a decade, and it was a piece of shit. in the first year of a new decade, its even more of a dysfunctional piece of shit. there is no semblance of any single proper football decision ever being made, just a the marketing machine of a despicable, hollow man who is caught up in splashy politics, greed, corporation-as-king, and taking advantage of the relative wealth in this region, a decent chunk of which is held by transplanted people and companies that want to feel “washingtonian” and get sucked into the machine by snakeoil Dan. well, even they are no longer buying the bullshit. so many years of improper management had led to a situation where so much needs to be done to even sustain a level of being remotely competitive that might just be time for the boycott. at this point, I have more respect for organizations like the Patriots, Ravens, Eagles, and Steelers, hell any team that makes any effort to at all build properly. Shanahan has turned out to be an egomaniacal farce that got lucky with Elway, nothing in DC has been right for a long time, with Gibbs 2.0 being the only thing remotely close to an exception to that rule, but even that was basically a lucky gimmick.

Dan needs to go. it will never work. Unlike Al Davis, Dan doesn’t know shit about football, and didn’t have to get old and senile to ruin a great thing for so many people.

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Dec 14, 2010 2:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

i disagree that shanahan got lucky with Elways

there were some great blocking schemes up in denver for many many years. Olandis Gary anyone? Clinton Portis in 2003???

But, this is where you are spot on:

just a the marketing machine of a despicable, hollow man who is caught up in splashy politics, greed, corporation-as-king

One of the most disappointing things about the Snyder era has been the Washington Post’s Sports coverage completely being manipulated by Snyder’s marketing machine. Do you remember WaPo’s headline when Gibb’s was brought back? It said “Return of the King.” Or about WaPo’s obsession with pointing out Schottenheimer’s "old-school, Oklahoma-drill, style of football. And then we had the endless stories on how much fun Steve Spurrier’s run-n-gun offense was, even though every game we handed off to Stephen Davis and Kenny Watson 20 times only for them to straight ahead for no gain.

Because newspapers are dying, WaPo was forced to sell its soul to the Snyder marketing machine. But I guess the silver lining is that it led us all to HogsHaven?

by John Park Williams on Dec 14, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

not sure where you're getting that. Snyder and WaPo have been fighting for the last decade

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 14, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Pulling 1000yd rushers out of his ass was a fun trick, but it didn’t really get anybody anywhere

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Dec 14, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Terrell Davis may have been a 6th rounder, but by the time the broncs won those SBs, he was already established as really good. Shanahan learned how to pull 1000yd rushes out his ass by emulating TD

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Dec 15, 2010 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yes but the point I'm making is

that without a running game, even the best QB’s don’t win Super Bowls….ask Marino (I won’t because I think it would be rude and cruel).

by aFan4Life on Dec 15, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

and Snyder has defined the organizational culture

I used to think the organizational culture stuff I learned about in college was total BS until I worked in an organization that had an awful culture. Words alone can not explain the power and influence that the culture has an an organization – you really have to see it to believe it. The Redskins organization has a culture of being greedy losers, hence the yearly dog and pony show for the FA of the year…every year, year in and year out.

And what are the results? 20 years of losing. Oh we’ve had a couple of winning seasons but they were flukes – none of them were a re-establishment of the team Gibbs forged in the 1980s.

The problem I saw while working in a dysfunctional organization was that the leaders tend not to see the problem…because THEY are the problem. Yes, Danny, YOU are the problem.

by aFan4Life on Dec 14, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Post.

Thats certainly how I feel and what I know… Giving away Fred Davis for a 4th tho? I feel like weve never gotten a good draft pick from the 4th round and Davis IS ONE player we can look forward to when he is in his prime.

"Were not here for a long time... were here for a good time."

by BermBurner on Dec 14, 2010 2:41 AM EST reply actions  

hate to $hit on your post, because i liked it a lot, but, I take exception to this

The reason the stands were empty yesterday — and will probably be empty for the next few weeks, save the opponents’ fans — will be because the fans finally realized that, too.

This is December, 2010. Anyone who didn’t realize this back in December 2008, after we dropped 6 of 8 to end the year, should be committed.

I am a big believer in rational market theory – the idea that products reflect what the market wants. As long as people keep blindly supporting the Redskins, Snyder has no incentive to change. If you want the Skins to change, stop buying their $hitty product. I don’t know how its taken people this long to turn on the team.

I always stop watching the Skins around week 10.

by John Park Williams on Dec 14, 2010 4:32 AM EST reply actions  

The product FWIW

Option A, has been awful for the past decade….Ok save a couple of playoff games, but overrall
It’s been a waste, however the Ravens (Option B) have been an good example of drafting and knowing how build a franchise! So far option B has been holding up!

I just can’t fathom of drinkin’ more Fedex Field kool-aid any longer!

by Big Spoon on Dec 14, 2010 4:50 AM EST up reply actions  

but an NFL team isn't a rational market. it's a monopoly

if you’re in the DC area and you want to root for your local football team you only have one choice.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 14, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

But we can at least bring in signs, banners and

Wear bags over our heads to protest the complete and utter failure of the front office and still support the players and our team… Oh wait, that is not allowed at FedEx either.

I feel that we are really close to having to instill the boycott.

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 14, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You are a true fan

WOW

Root for the home team jack ass

by KING FEDOR on Dec 15, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Read

We know it will take time, but it is hard to not get excited at the beginning of the year when we think things are finally falling in place. Then as the season goes on, we realize they are just falling apart again. We still have faith and we will continue to suffer. One day we will again be on top.

by HogSkins on Dec 14, 2010 7:43 AM EST reply actions  

Snyder is probably going to outlive us all.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m trying to grasp what the response would be in all seriousness if something tragic happened to him. Sadly, I think people would rejoice.

Hogs Haven. On Twitter. And Facebook.

by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 14, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, my father likes to think it will be something like what is going to happen in Cleveland when Art Modell passes.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Dan Snyder

Anybody who truly wishes tragedy on Dan Snyder is an idiot and a contemptible hater,right down there with Nazis and racists, and is taking the Redskins far too seriously. Dan may not have been the most successful owner of a team, but he is a good, smart guy doing his best to have a winning team. But Kevin is probably right – sadly – that some morons would rejoice.

by Donnio1234 on Dec 14, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If someone dies, and many rejoice

Why is it the fault of the people who celebrate their death?
Why can’t it be the fault of the man or woman that lived their life so despicably, or took so many people for granted that they were not missed?

This is a rhetorical question, by no means am I aiming this label at Dan Snyder (there is much to dislike about the man, but until something truly despicable comes out, he’s not in that category)

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 14, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you're all taking this too seriously

It was just an off hand comment, not something to be taken seriously. I’ve never rejoiced at anyone’s death, not even when it was a terrible person.

by aFan4Life on Dec 14, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say I wasn't aiming at Dan Snyder with that question

But I remember people all over the world enjoy hearing that Saddam Hussein was hanging from a rope.
Same with Mussolini
neither of these people were communist

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 14, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh it's a fickle town

I think you’ve made the situation more epic than it is. Ten years ago no one would’ve called DC a hockey town and despite the current losing streak it’s getting there. Point being victory (not to mention giving half a shit about your fan base) brings people in and the Redskins haven’t been providing much of that.

Now obviously the people who frequent this site are probably part of the core of the fan base who are going to go to games when the opportunity arises no matter what and stick it out. I know that’s how I am. However, especially when you have a 90,000 odd person stadium to fill, it just isn’t going to be like that in times of famine. The glory days are too long past to keep cashing in on.

Also no need to insult the O’s, here. There’s still plenty of us, particularly in Maryland. What did you spill your latte on your Strasburg jersey or something? :P

by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 14, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you

(Someone, please give us a 4th for Fred Davis, right?)

I’ve been saying this for weeks. Everyone is so quick to jump on the “trade Cooley” bandwagon, but they’re picking the wrong guy. Cooley is our most consistent player on offense, while Davis has been anything but consistent. Sure, he’s shown flashes in spurts. The longest being when there was no one else producing on the team. But he hasn’t shown me he can fit in to the offense. And, apparently, I’m not the only one. This is now two regimes who have failed to give him major playing time.

There’s no doubt Davis has talent. But talent alone gets you nowhere. Cooley, on the other hand, is one of the hardest workers on the team. And the age difference, 3 years, really isn’t a factor. It’s not like Cooley’s game is built on speed. He’ll likely play, and be just as effective, well into his 30’s. In fact, I’d be willing to bet anyone that, 4-5 years from now, Cooley will STILL be more productive than Davis. Regardless of which team either of them is on.

by CJHutch on Dec 14, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

logan paulsen is better then davis right now ?

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on Dec 15, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Your words are well placed, the weather was nasty and I saw inexcusable special mistakes I have not seen for a long time. I have also witnessed worst Redskin games but have never seen an almost empty stadium. I am still contemplating and wondering what went wrong.

Michael Jordan Says He Could've Scored 100 Points

by lewiscoverdale on Dec 14, 2010 9:06 PM EST reply actions  

It could have been worse. I was among the few who went and I noticed there were no ushers in 95% of the tunnels. They were allowing anyone in anywhere but the few sections by $nyders box. It was one day I wished I had nosebleeds.

by $nyder on Dec 14, 2010 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

LOL. Snyder is a bitchass

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Dec 15, 2010 11:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great post

and I’m only apathetic because our “season” now cosists solely of the offseason.

Question: Woody, what happened to the ball movement? Answer: I think our defense was pretty solid tonight. We held them to under 200 points so we did our job on that end.

by JohnWebb on Dec 21, 2010 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

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