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NFL's Michael Lombardi on Coach Shanahan

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81ccc5b0/article/shanahan-must-reevaluate-how-he-runs-washington?module=HP_cp2


I found this article written by Lombardi to be quite sobering.  There are two paragraphs that really stood out to me:

 

The hardest thing to do in pro football is to evaluate your own players fairly and objectively as they relate to the rest of the league. The Redskins allowed former Pro Bowl running back Larry Johnson to make the final roster this summer when he was clearly not the same player and allowed former Pro Bowl wide receiver Joey Galloway to make their team when he had little to offer, too. Their offensive line is still a huge mess, they don't have any playmakers on offense and their defense has holes on every level.


The last sentence rings pretty true.  Our offensive line is still a mess, we do not have any playmakers on offense, and our defense certainly does have holes on every level.  As Ole' Clark W. Griswold said, "Hellelujah, Holy Shit.  Where's the Tylenol".  Where do we start?

 

Do we get a playmaker, and hope it gives McNabb some better weapons, thus making him feel more comfortable and confident.  Do we get a new QB, and start all over?  Do we simply try to mend the O-Line, and get by with what little offensive talent we have?  Will just mending the O-Line even make McNabb better?  Well, it surely can't hurt right?

What if we loose key defensive players in FA?  Then what?  Do we focus on defense in the draft?  Do we really want to continue with the 3-4?  Are we able to just go back to the 4-3 now that we have supposedly committed to the 3-4?

Has there ever been an offseason with so many question marks? 

 

The Redskins thought, when they traded for Pro Bowl quarterback Donovan McNabb, that he would provide the leadership, toughness and big-play ability the team would need to create some wins. However, since his benching before the two-minute drill in Detroit, the 'Skins are 1-4. All that's been done is McNabb receiving a "pay as he goes" extension.

McNabb is not the leader they thought he'd be, not the worker they hoped he was, and clearly he is not the consistent playmaker they believed he'd be. McNabb is never going to be a 60-percent completion passer, or ever be consistent again -- period -- therefore he must have an outstanding supporting cast, something the Skins offense is lacking.


This is a problem bigger than many of us want to believe.  What are we do do with McNabb????  If he is clearly not the player we thought we were getting, and according to Lombardi, not going to ever be that type of player again, where do we turn?  Arizona?  Do you think they would want him in a trade?  They are only a few years from the Leinhart draft disaster, and they have already proven they can win with a veteran QB.  They may be scared to jump into the fray and draft a QB again this soon, and Ken may reall rather have a veteran leading this team.  Hell, they put up with Warner until he was 38, so why not expect the same from McNabb. 

Star-divide

All I know is that there is no way in hell we can repair this mess with a few fill-ins here and there.  This team needs to be demolished, and completly rebuildt. 

 

The question is, where do we start?

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Totally agree - we need too much to get in one year

and maybe two years. A return to the 4-3 is obvious and essential – we are not even close to having the people needed for the 3-4, and simply can’t waste the time and resources trying to get them. The defense would probably be adequate to good using the 4-3 – good enough to not worry about it. They must fix the O-line and WR corps (although Moss, Armstrong, Austin and Banks could be enough, with Cooley, to get us through the year), and probably the RBs (CP and Torain could be OK), but I’d still move heaven and earth to get a better QB – Donovan might be OK one more year, but it’s almost over for him (too bad, because he’s a really classy guy). Really, the entire offense lacks talent, and is average to below average in every aspect (except TE). Mike Shanahan is the offensive genius – he better start building his team.

by Donnio1234 on Dec 11, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

I think Portis is gone next year or at best serves as a role player third down

ATV has performed well when healthy, but this is his third year in the league and I think he’s barely played nine games? I think keeping Tor rain for depth is a good idea, but the starting running back for the 2011 Redskins is not on this roster or the practice squad-another hole that needs to be filled during the off-season.
I completely agree with you though about the 43 defense-a lot of us didn’t like it from the start.
There are a lot of fans that like to say that people in the position of authority are smarter than the layman. When you get older you realize that unfortunately this is not true. Showing the ability to learn with a lot of years of experience is what makes a person excel in what they do. So when most of us fans started screaming about 34 defense, and the proponents told us that the coaches knew better, I think most of us didn’t hammer home why it wouldn’t work for fear of looking like negative Nancy’s.

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by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 11, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of good points

However, I’m just not so sure that DMac is that washed up. Lost skills…YES indeed. I would like to see some PROTECTION around him and then make that point.(even the gr8’s tb,pm have receivers who catch balls that are badly thrown or not perfectly thrown…those receivers track the ball into the dirt ).
I do agree that DMac aint ever going to be what he once was.But its still hard to make a fair judgement without him having had a better ol.He has at least two good (not great ) years left.
I still believe that we are closer than what we are willing to think. Its going to be easier for the coaching staff to evaluate their mistakes and for them to plug a good number of holes ..once the season is over they are going to work on this the entire off season .MS is going ensure that this a better TEAM next year.
I’d bet that this TEAM wins 7-8….. games next year.
Go Skins

sbredskinsnabb

by sbredskinsnabb on Dec 11, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You will not like my idea of where to start

But in my opinion we need to get rid of the Shanahan’s. I know there’s nepotism in the league, but I’ve got to believe that Shanahan is the biggest perpetrator. I read a lot of posts over at the Broncos site that were showing relief that he was no longer responsible for talent.
Is Mike Shanahan still a good coach? Absolutely. Is Mike Shanahan a good talent evaluator without somebody just to check on him? Absolutely not.
Yet this is the situation we have in Washington. I am happy that it seems that Snyder has finally stepped back. I like Bruce Allen as a vice president, but we still need a freaking GM-BADLY!
If Mike Shanahan won’t share responsibility for personnel decisions with somebody else, then he has to go.

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by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 11, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

here here

100% agree

well 95% agree

I think we just get rid of Shanahan regardless, I think that Dan Snyder shoud swallow his pride and re-hire Gregg Williams. But yes Shanahan should go, the 5% difference, I dont think we should give him the choice to give up Personell Management to keep his job, I say we just fire him full stop.

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Dec 12, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty Spot on Article..........

But I disagree with the points regarding Mcnabb. Its really unfair to criticize him when he has one of the worst Olines in football, No running game, the Wrs are ass the only weapon here is tight end. He was happy to join the skins cause he thought We would run the ball we Don’t. Mcnabb doesn’t typically throw picks, but with having EVERYTHING on his shoulders im sure he is pressing and making some poor throws.

 Isn’t Peyton Manning being looked @ as having a down year now that he has no running game, His Oline is shaky, His WRs are injured and his D isn’t making any plays?
Sounds familier.

Fix the Oline Wrs D and running game and he will be fine. Course thats a LOT to fix and trading him leaves another GLARING hole so unless you can trade him for multiple draft choices give him a FAIR chance.

by True Mastermind on Dec 11, 2010 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

so the article says that mcnabb needs a good supporting cast in order to be productive

and your suggestion is:

Fix the Oline Wrs D and running game and he will be fine

so, basically, you guys are saying the same thing. The point is, we were not a McNabb-over-Campbell upgrade away from contending this year.

by John Park Williams on Dec 13, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I just feel that if we go into re-building mode

whats the point in keeping McNabb. I guess he could mentor a young QB, but in todays NFL, it may be better to just play the young guy from the start.

IDK. I’m as confused as anybody.

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by Tiller56 on Dec 11, 2010 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

get rid of McNabb

we’d be better off grooming a young QB. and we have a few years to do it.

In some ways this year was a step forward (picking up a real LT who will be with us for years) but in other ways it was a huge step backwards (3-4 defense) and now we’re still in a huge mess.

The team really does need to be totally rebuilt.

by aFan4Life on Dec 13, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Well with so many problems and holes

The offseason and draft will show us if Shanny/Bruce know what they are doing to fix the team. Hopefully they will get talent that turns this team around and gives us a better team next year.

by The Red End on Dec 11, 2010 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Go into re-building mode...

I thought we were already in re-building mode, but then again when we trade/give away draft picks it’s hard to re-building anything.

I wonder how much longer it’s going to take people to realize that Shanahan can’t rebuild a team and was a mediocre coach at best once one of the greatest QB retired.

by Obey on Dec 11, 2010 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

a great QB who could never really win the super bowl without a running game

Elway was only part of the reason that team won – Davis was the real work horse of that offense.

by aFan4Life on Dec 13, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear that next year will be great for free agents

I hope Dan/Mike/Bruce go after talent aggressively, and are willing to spend a lot of money. I get the impression that they went very cheap this year – letting a lot of top guys get away, even after visiting here. We are short of talent and muscle in the O-line and the D-line (if we keep the 3-4), and basically very marginal at WR and RB, and could use a young QB to take over from McNabb in a year or two. I think we’re stuck with Shanahan, but hope that he lets Allen go get some talent. I think Mike refused to beef up the O-line, WRs and RBs because he vastly overrated (cheap) guys like Lichtensteiger, Heyer, Hicks, Rabach, Galloway, R Williams, LJ and Parker, and stayed with the 3-4 because of relying on Kemoeatu (and, of course, Haynesworth).

by Donnio1234 on Dec 11, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

Spending $

Never been a problem with this team. If we could come out of FA looking like we know what the hell we’re doing, that’d be a nice change of pace.

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by CptChaosSidekick on Dec 12, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if going crazy in FA is the right approach

but you are correct in that 2011 will be loaded with FA’s.

We need 1 or 2 core guys, then the rest should be fill-ins.

WFIW, I don’t think Licht should be grouped in that catagory of overrated guys. He can, and should be very much part of this team moving forward. The weak links on the line were Rabach and Hicks. Not saying Licht is an All-pro or anything, but for a young linemen, in his first real meaningful NFL season, he has some good upside.

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by Tiller56 on Dec 12, 2010 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

there will be a cap at some point. I dont think we can tie our hands with a bunch of expense. We still have to take a sensible approach.

by vjessejamesv on Dec 12, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

The smartest thing they did

was reworking a lot of the fat contracts to move all the high bonuses into this year which will drop the payroll for the future assuming there’s salary caps in the future. Whoever was smart enough to include that language in the CBA was a mastermind.
As for the team I think you have to go offensive line first to cure a lot of the ills that plague this team. The middle, Hicks, Rabach and Lick are a big weak spot since the shortest distance to the QB on a blitz is a straight line up the middle. They flunk. With a better oline McNabb may (and that’s a big MAY) have more time to set himself properly and get more completions. The blocking for the RB’s will be better. You need to get the QB of the future in here to groom.
no matter who you go after they have to be YOUNG and have a future in front of them…no more thirty something free agents, guys on the downhill side of their career..

by DudleyDoright on Dec 12, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Contrast the Lions to the Skins as well as Bills to the Skins.

“The Detroit Lions signed wide receiver Brian Clark on Friday and worked out offensive tackles Tony Ugoh, Adam Terry and Allen Barbre.” 3/4 of the season gone and trying to rebuild the offensive line. The Skins have not gone to external sources to rebuild the line since the beginning of the regular season. By the 1st game the Team knew Jammal Brown was having problems with his hip. At least they have brought up Kris from the practice squad, but that does not mean they will activate him.

The Lombardi article also mentioned aspects of the 3-4 defense and the Skins personnel –
“They made countless mistakes by counting on certain veteran players to perform, then to compound their personnel mistakes, they also made a huge error in judgment believing they had the personnel to run a successful 3-4 defense.”
The Bills coaches realized that they did not have 3-4 players and reverted back to the 4-3 base.

by Jefferson1935 on Dec 12, 2010 12:54 AM EST reply actions  

We also worked out Tony Ugoh

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by Tiller56 on Dec 12, 2010 7:24 AM EST up reply actions  

damn, he started for a year or two in Indy

guess he didn’t pan out

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by smutsboy1 on Dec 12, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, 2008 2nd round pick got cut

they drafted him to replace tarik glenn, but he sucked

by John Park Williams on Dec 13, 2010 6:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Kris?
At least they have brought up Kris from the practice squad

Are you referring to Erik Cook?

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by Tiller56 on Dec 12, 2010 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

Lichtensteiger

Tiller56 – I was going on comments by John Keim and some tape of missed blocks and other mistakes, and other comments that he was too small for LG or C. But Shanahan likes him, he’s still young and learning, and it could be that he can be good in the ZBS – able to do what he is supposed to do. So he should start out next year as the starter at LG or C. On this we can trust Shanahan.

by Donnio1234 on Dec 12, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

IDK good brother

I have kind of liked what I have seen so far from Licht. Only time will tell.

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by Tiller56 on Dec 12, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

And Tiller, you missed this even scarier part from the Lombardi article on McDaniels
Having spent a brief time volunteering my services as a consultant to Mike Shanahan, I saw firsthand Denver’s ridiculous spending on players, the failure to have a personnel department, and the constant approach to repair as opposed to rebuild. Therefore, when the Broncos fired Shanahan following the 2008 season and decided to change the course, eliminating the free-spending of the past, the move signaled to me that they wanted to try the Patriot Way, which centers on building a total team through the draft, cut spending in free agency and develop coaches and players from within.

This is fucking terrifying. We thought Shanahan was the future (well others did, I always hated the Shanhan hiring from the start) but as is clearly shown here, all hiring Shanahan does is puts an Owner who does not beleive in re-building with a coach who does not beleive in rebuilding.

10 years ladies and gentleman, we are at least 10 years away from contending.

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Dec 12, 2010 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Just a quote from my above post...

“I wonder how much longer it’s going to take people to realize that Shanahan can’t rebuild a team”

by Obey on Dec 12, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a reason Snyder loved/loves Shanahan so much

they share the same questionable philosophy about how to build a winner.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 13, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

A very unholy alliance indeed

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by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 13, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The other team building model

just kicked the ’Girls butts last night. The egrets are possibly the youngest team in the league. They had rookies all over the defensive side of the field, including a 7th rounder and a 4th rounder who made the team and got game time (made me sick as none of our draft picks in the late rounds even made the damn team). And they have speed on top of speed on O, which is also young as all get out. All these kids get game time and are allowed to develop, while we stick with players like…..Joey Gallaway….????!!! WTF. They must have the best scouting dept. in the league behind the Pats and Ravens IMO.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 13, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

I am pretty sure that Tampa Bay is the youngest team

But the Eagles are very young at just about every skill position, and that’s what makes them scary for years to come

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by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 13, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome,

The Redskins hold the title of the NFL’s most experienced team. The average Washington player carries a league-high 5.43 years of experience. The Redskins have an NFC-high 15 players over the age of 30, including WR Joey Galloway, who turns 39 in November.

source: http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/09/16/carolina-is-nfls-youngest-team-washington-is-oldes

by Obey on Dec 13, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

This my friend, is not new news

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by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 13, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

When you look at average age of a team

you look at the starters on both sides of the ball.

Thats the true way to do it.

FWIW, we actually got younger with some of the cuts we made, and some of the new starters that have taken over during the season.

QB – OLD
RB’s – All Young
WR’s – Moss is old, but the rest are pretty young
OL – Not too bad now that Hicks and Dock have been replaced
TE – Still pretty young

DL – Pretty Old
LB’s – Mix of age and youth
CB’s – About average, not too young but not over-the-hill
S’s – Pretty young

K – Young
KR/PR – Young
P – OLD

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by Tiller56 on Dec 13, 2010 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

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