Are McNabb's Shortcomings a Reflection of his Past? Bleeding Green Nation Answers Our Questions
Being half-way through the season, I decided to ping our SBN Philly friends (JimmyK) at Bleeding Green Nation to take an unbiased litmus test on how McNabb is faring. We cover past benchings, the sub-par skilled players McNabb has to work with, and McNabb's career in winning close games. Let's roll.
Hogs Haven: As bad as the decision was to take McNabb out, I really feel the media is piling on at this point. He was a solid QB for Philadelphia, and through his career, he saw the bench several times. Last year he sat out 2 games with a rib injury and when he came back, he three for 3 TDs that week vs Tampa in a lop-sided win. In 2008, McNabb was benched for Corn on the Kolb during the Ravens game, and the following week he came out and threw 4 Tds in a crushing of Arizona. I really think the benching was a strategic move. Thoughts?
JimmyK: While I agree that McNabb has bounced back impressively in the past after dealing with a variety of adversity, I would disagree that Shanny benched him for long-term strategic reasons, hoping that it would light a fire under his ass like it has in the past. The timing of his benching (down 6 with less than 2 minutes to go in a winnable game) would indicate otherwise. Had he been benched at halftime or some other less critical moment, I might be more accepting of that theory.
Hogs Haven: I'm trying to compare apples and apples, but the Eagles OLine has had its problems as well....especially with all the injuries at the end of last year. The guy can handle a floodgate pass rush as well as the best of them...but McNabb doesn't have a Brian Westbrook or a LeSean McCoy to dump to. It's a massive drop-off when a key skilled position is not skilled. Isn't it also fair to say with as little talent as Donovan had in Philly, he has less in DC to help bail him out?
No question he has less talent around him at the skill positions. When you compare what McNabb had at his disposal last year (DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy, Brian Westbrook, Jason Avant, Brent Celek, Leonard Weaver, etc) with what he's working with this year (Santana Moss, Joey Galloway, Anthony Armstrong, Ryan Torain, Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, etc), the dropoff in talent can't be overstated. You mentioned the running backs, but let's take DeSean Jackson for example: Here's a guy that had receiving TD's of the following distances: 71, 64, 60, 57, 54, 48, 35. Whether it was Jackson getting 5 yards behind the defensive backfield and hauling in bombs or taking an intermediate pass the distance, he was making plays for McNabb that nobody on the Redskins' offense can make.
Fredex and T.O., who are the equivalent of Danny Bonaduce in the Celebrity world, claim McNabb can't run a 2-minute offense...which is laughable since NcNabb threw that infamous 4th and 26 pass to Freddie to keep that drive alive. McNabb has over 20 2-minute comebacks...another false accusation right?
Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to disagree with 2 of my most hated former Eagles, I can't. As an Eagles fan, I never felt comfortable with Donovan McNabb running the 2 minute offense. Not Donny's strength. He and Andy Reid (who definitely deserves his share of the blame as well) ran the 2-minute offense with extreme lethargy and gross clock management. I couldn't possibly estimate how many times I screamed "HUUUUUURRY UUUUUUP!" at the TV over the past decade.
First of all, I believe you've mixed up "20+ 2-minute comebacks" with "Game winning drives." McNabb has 20+ game winning drives (23 to be exact) in his career. They can be found here. The game-winning drive statistic is a little misleading. For example. Let's say the 4th quarter begins and the score is tied 14-14. A drive stalls, you kick a FG, and the score doesn't change for the rest of the game - That counts as a "game-winning drive." I equate it to the old baseball stat that you never see anymore, "Game winning RBI," in which a guy that hit a grounder in the 3rd inning that scored a run to take the lead got credit for a "Game-winning RBI."
Anyway, let's take a look at those game winning drives. I'll go back from 2009 to 2006, which is about the cutoff of where my brain can't vividly remember the details of every individual regular season game:
2009
Denver - The Eagles had a 27-10 lead late in the 3rd quarter. Four 3-and-outs later from the Eagles offense, and Denver had tied it 27-27. After the Eagles defense gave the Eagles good field position, McNabb found Maclin along the sideline for 27 yards. It was actually a bad pass by McNabb and an amazing catch by Maclin. The Eagles then ran the clock all the way down and kicked a FG to end it. I would technically consider this a 2-minute drive for the win, although McNabb played very poorly down the stretch in this game.
Redskins - I remember McNabb engineering a nice, long 3-4 minute drive to get down into field goal range to break a tie with less than 2 minutes left. This one is legit.
Bears - The Eagles scored with 5 minutes left to take the lead. It was a nice clutch drive by McNabb, but it wasn't really a 2-minute hurry up situation.
2008
Bengals - This is the infamous "I didn't know games could end in ties" game, one of McNabb's worst as a pro, and one of the worst professional football games I've ever seen. McNabb gets credit for the 4th quarter comeback because they tied it up with about 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter with a FG.
49ers - The Eagles took the lead with a FG with 7 minutes remaining. Not a 2-minute situation.
2007
Redskins - This was the game where Brian Westbrook took a screen pass and weaved his way through what seemed like the entire Redskins defense for a 57 yard score with 3:16 left. Not really a 2-minute situation, and not really the work of McNabb.
2006
Cowboys - This was the game where Lito Sheppard picked off Drew Bledsoe at the goal line and returned it for a TD to end the game. McNabb gets credit for a game winning drive because the Eagles broke a 24-24 tie with 9 minutes left in the game.
So as you can see, there really isn't much in the way of late-game heroics from McNabb over the past half-decade.
In short, just like with Jason Campbell, I guess it's hard and unfair to evaluate a player when you don't give him any protection or weapons. (Ssh...don't bring up Sam Bradford).
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Premature? This was the wrong trade for us from day 1.
The fact that he’s played poorly and that he might not resign only make the trade worse.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 5, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
with you Smuts.
This has set the Redskins back a couple of years by which time Shanny retires and you start all over again.
by G Fan in England on Nov 5, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh shut it.
What does England know about real football anyway?
Trust in the Shana-Plan.
by VA_Skin on Nov 5, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
although I do like McNabb
I would’ve rather had JC for 1 year
with Trent Williams…
and have used that 2nd Round Pick on a guy like Lamarr Houston, Terrence Cody, etc
and then we could’ve saved that 3/4th rounder this year
Since when are Eagles fans unbiased?
This trade stank from day 1, anyone who thinks we got the better end in this trade has not watched McNabb play football. Pukey McDirtball is the worst trade we’ve ever made. If I was an Eagles fan Easter would have been Christmas this year. You get 2 semi high draft picks and dump off an unreliable, inaccurate QB to a division rival. Did anyone really think this would turn out well?
Way to sound like an idiot...
- Way to put all Eagles fan into one bucket and not know what the hell you’re talking about. I’m sure you’re in the same bucket as your Eagles fan stereotype and think McNabb sucks just b/c you’ve been rooting against him for the past 11 years. I’m sure you think every Eagle SUCKS!!!!
- Worst trade ever? Really? Have you followed this franchise at all?
- You do realize Pukey McDirtball sounds nothing like Donovan McNabb? Right?
- A lot of football has yet to be played and personnel decision are left to made, way to early to judge this one way or another.
by Parks Smith on Nov 5, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Still a bum trade
I live near Philthy its not a stereotype, and no not all Eagles suck, they’ve had plenty of good players over the years. McNabb’s just one of the reasons they’ve never been able to win the big game, Andy Reid’s game management and and pass first style is another. No its probably not the worst ever, because thats a crowded field, but its close. Insults don’t have to sound like the name you’re mocking. Trading for him was just bad business with a patched together O-line, his stats so far have reflected that.
Best quote I've heard in a while earlier this week
STATISTICS ARE FOR LOSERS- Raheem Morris
I’m sure Raheem Morris became Smuts least favorite coach of all time after this statement.
The only “stat” that matters right now is those four Ws we have, which is a lot better off then where we were at this point last year, with a lot tougher schedule.
I do love that quote
Raheem Morris is a little delusional though, his head was on the chopping block this year. Josh Freeman keeps pulling that axe back in the 4th quarter. He does know how to make a good quote though.
I don't think he's on the chopping block
He’s doing a good job rebuilding a very young team and coaching a young QB
Tampa committed to the draft and is giving their coach job security to see what kind of core he can build.
HINT HINT DANNY
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Damn. You're being an asshole right now, but I have to agree.
You know what RVA, you’re not that bad afterall. Lol.
Thanks man, haha
I just said he sounded like an idiot not that he was an idiot…
I just think there is a lot of football left to be played.
No, I agree.
Being 4-12 last year, and sitting at 4 wins halfway through, shows improvement. I think the ultimate testimate of how improved we are would be 6-0 in the division after last year’s 0-6. And seriously, it’s possible.
It's mathematically possible.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Looks like the Cowboys fans over at BTB are campaigning for Gruden...
I’m all for it! Please hire Gruden or Jason Garrett or get crazy and hire the West Texas Mad Scientist (he’ll lock Romo in a closet, where he can then finally come out of)
oh man, yes
Gruden arguably has a worst eye for talent than Vinny Cerrato. He BURIED that Bucs organization after inheriting Dungy’s team.
From 2004-2008…with 44 draft picks, Gruden only drafted ONE Pro-Bowler.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 5, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Davin Joseph
I’d be curious to know how many of these players aren’t even in the NFL anymore.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/12/18/1206860/2-concrete-reasons-jon-gruden
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 5, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Oof, that’s ugly. Barrett Ruud is a player and Geno Hayes seems to have been a nice find in the 6th, but other than that, you’re right – craptastic.
Talib starts, and I think Trrueblood.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
That’s true. Talib is starting to play well. And although Trueblood starts, I don’t think he’s regarded as an above average player (Disclaimer – I wouldn’t really know, seeing as I only catch the occasional glimpse of the Bucs while watching the Red Zone Channel)
Bucs schedule is so easy and their wins show it...
- Beat Cleveland by 3
- Beat Carolina by 13
- Beat Cincinnati by 3
- Beat St Louis by 1
- Beat Arizona by 3
Just screams...
impending regression to the mean, doesn’t it?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 5, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Gambler
He gets burned too much.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Bruce Allen had zero power in the draft then and has zero power in the draft now.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 5, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
thats true here,
I didn’t know that was the case in TB. I just recall that some Buc’s fans were not all that pleased with his body of work.
HTTR!
Warren Sapp: “Bruce Allen is [there to] play golf, go to the corporate meetings, talk about the old times with his father, rally up the suite holders. Somebody else is actually making the personnel decisions….That’s my take on it. That’s the Bruce Allen I know.”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/09/warren_sapp_breaks_down_bruce.html
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 5, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but you botched the name, it’s the 1st Annual Hogs Haven Hooters & Playboy Charity Golf Classic.
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Just keep Cowher the F away from Dallas
He’d right that ship quickly, and be the best coach in the division by a mile.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Naah
He will replace TC at the Giants rather than work with JJ
by G Fan in England on Nov 5, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
He LOVES Carolina. He only wants that job along with the Giants.
I still feel he is a little overrated and would be like Gibbs 2.0 more than a superbowl winner. Just above average. After all, he was handed that Superbowl.
Jones would never let someone come in and take control
That is what Cowher demands when he coaches. This marriage would not happen. If it does both of them will have to grit there teeth and eventually something would snap. Jerry Jones making all the decisions in Dallas makes me verry happy.
that doesn’t scare me unless they end up there together.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 5, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe we can trade Kyle Shanahan for Dez
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 5, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
it didn't take him 13 years to get them there, or make them consistently elite.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I’m wondering if any coach can handle this DC media. I have a lot more respect for Gibbs now. He simply took the blame for everything and walked off the podium. Shanny’s hubris would never concede to that. This might warrant its’ own post.
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Don't be so scared.
It took Cowher 15 years in a very solid organization to win a SB. The Cowboys do not have a solid org.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
It's safe to say even Redskins Fans needed this Bye week.
In all honesty let’s take a breather from all this McNabb controversy and remember how bad last year was. I’m willing to give Shanahan another shot at this thing. Who knows maybe lighting a fire under McNabb’s ass might make him start performing better.
Yeah, it's not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. The Media is blowing this out of proportion.
I really don’t think it’s too big of a deal. Something that’s been overlooked because of our record is McNabb’s just terrible decision making, you just don’t throw into triple coverage with the game on the line and he did just that throwing to Armstrong. Again the media blows it out of proportion.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 5, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The honeymoon isn't over yet for Shanny?
by Jefferson1935 on Nov 5, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It is. I'm just saying we've got 8 more games
or do you forget that this is Shanahan’s first year as our head coach? I’m just going to let things play out and sit until they prove to me again that they are worth putting up with this drama. Because that’s all it is.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 5, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Although things look bleak now, that doesn’t mean they will stay that way. Still alot of football left. The optimist in me thinks they will use this time to tighten up and get this thing movin. The realist in me is saying we’re fucked again, and there’s no thank you note this time…Hope I am wrong about that
The rise of Tampa Bay, partly due to an easy schedule
weakens our wild card chances. Non-champs in the West and North are likely to be 9-7 or worse, but ATL/NO will certainly take one WC. TB could go 9-7 (they have 5 or 6 tough games left – ATL twice, @NO, @Balt, @Skins, @SF), so the other WC could go to them or other possible 9-7 teams – the Skins, Philly, the Bears (I have at 8-8), Minn (relatively easy schedule left), slim chance of Seattle/STL. That TB game could be very important for our playoff hopes (tiebreakers), along with Philly and Minn. I had projected the Skins to 10-6, and they are now one game behind that track, for 9-7. But Tennessee looks a lot tougher than I had figured, and the Giants look like by far the best team in the NFC. Losing all three would cost two games (vs my projection), meaning we’d have to beat (e.g.) Dallas and Minnesota to get back to 9-7. It seems to me we are still in the hunt for 9-7 and the playoffs, partly because the whole NFC (except NYG) has weakened. If they can figure out a way to protect Donovan, we could win five more games. Go Skins!
Aren't we 2 games behind this @ 8-8
had projected the Skins to 10-6, and they are now one game behind that track, for 9-7.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
No, that was me who predicted 8-8.
And I’m hoping that I’m wrong on that.
I don't understand what Donnio was saying
we’re 4-4, how are we 1 game off of going 10-6?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
UNACCEPTABLE!!!111!!!
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
It's confusing describing performance vs my own benchmarks
I had them 5-3 in each half (losing @Phil, and GB and Indy, then Minn, @NYG and @Dall), giving 10-6. (I assumed we would split the division, losing the three “away” games). So now 4-4 is one back of the projected 5-3, and going 5-3 in the second half would give 9-7,which looks better now than it did then. But then I just looked at the schedule and deduced that we would be likely to lose twice to the Giants and to Tenn, or two more losses than I figured (giving 3-5, and 7-9), beating only Phil, TB and @JAX). Then in a burst of optimism, it occurred to me that Minn and @Dallas looked winnable, which could get us back to 9-7. This is just probabilities, my own odds, but it’s fun to predict future games and then track your picks. Smutsboy – my original forecast was 10-6, but actual first half results drop it back to 9-7. These numbers only apply to my projection. By my forecast, we’re only one game back of the 10-6 track (4-4 vs 5-3), meaning 9-7.
Hot and Cold
As a LIons fan, I am suprised this discussion has been going on all week. McNabb is a hot and cold quarterback as are most in the NFL. There are only a couple who are consistantly good from week to week like P. Manning and Brady and even they have off weeks. I truely believe he will bounce back this week.
Would I have made the trade. Unless I thought this pickup would have made the Redskins a Superbowl possibility it is better to have the draft picks in my humble opinion. Enjoy the bye week and come back and beat the Eagles!
by RedWingGuy on Nov 5, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I almost stopped reading after "As a Lions fan"...
Glad I didn’t. You made a good point. But I think the media hates our guts so they’re blowing it up much more than they should.
I am sure the media doesn't "hate your guts"
The problem is Daniel Snyder. His track record makes him too easy a target for the media to turn down.
When different ownership takes over (2036?), the media will fawn over the ’Skins again.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
I stand corrected.
You’re right. They hate Snyder’s guts and we get the fall out from that.
I believe we should have kept campbell and put a line around him. even if he was not the answer, we are going nowhere without a line. and we could try to grroom a late round qb or use the first rounder this year.
ideally, we could have traded the 2nd round pick for two third rounders. and kept the 4-3 and transition in 2011 draft
by les boulez bomber on Nov 5, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
This seems like rocket science. too complicated for me to understand.
I believe we should have kept campbell and put a line around him. even if he was not the answer, we are going nowhere without a line. and we could try to grroom a late round qb or use the first rounder this year.
ideally, we could have traded the 2nd round pick for two third rounders. and kept the 4-3 and transition in 2011 draft
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
but i will acknowledge, mcnabb gives the team confidence jc could not instill…but so does shanahan so who knows
by les boulez bomber on Nov 5, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry Kevin
This whole idea was crazy from the start:
I decided to ping our SBN Philly friends (JimmyK) at Bleeding Green Nation to take an unbiased litmus test on how McNabb is faring.That’s like asking Dick Cheney what he thinks of President Obama’s performance so far.
Trust in the Shana-Plan.
We’ve all known JimmyK for over a year now (we’ve collaborated on a lot of stuff)….that comparison is a bit egregious. I’d say it’s more like Blossom saying what she thinks of Kimmy Gibbler.
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Huh?
Who the heck is Blossom, and who is Kimmy Gibbler?
And as for JimmyK….. There are times when a single “shit” moment undoes all the good “Yay” moments. The Redskins kicked the Eagles asses in the first game, and the Eagles (Andy Reid in particular) made some stupid mistakes. Yet after the game, JimmyK started saying how the refs stole the game. Nope, the refs called the game poorly on BOTH sides, penalizing us for phantom plays (hell, the fact that there was the near TD catch at the end of the game DIRECTLY came from a blown call by the refs in the Eagles favor early in that drive; the Redskins should have been in Victory Formation at that point).
JimmyK blew his goodwill by not manning up and admitting we won, and the refs, while having a bad game, blew it equally. Heck, I haven’t even seen anyone make more than a slight reference to the three special teams plays nearly in a row that changed the game, with the two obvious non-calls that went against the Redskins (15 yard face mask when they brought down Brandon Banks that the TV cameras, after the play had been whistled dead, zoomed in to show the Lion was still having trouble getting his hand out of the mask— would have put us at the Lions 48 to start the drive). After we went on a short drive, we punted, which led to the Lions not getting called for TWO blocks in the back that sprang the 71 yard return, setting up a Lions TD. Shortly thereafter, Brandon Banks takes a kick to the house for his first TD…. only it gets called back for a LESS egregious block in the back, and instead of 7, we start at our own 10. Banks was robbed of what would have been the NFL record in return yardage in a game, and a second TD. Yeah, it was a block in the back… but it wasn’t as bad or key as the two blocks that weren’t called that set the Lions up. So, they don’t call those, they shouldn’t have called Bank’s back.
But ultimately, that didn’t cost us the game. Donnovan’s int to set up the quick go ahead TD and then Shannahan’s benching of Donnovan cost us the game, with Rex’s disastrous fumble. Did the Redskins deserve to win? Yeah. Did the Lions deserve to win? Yeah. It was a game that was there for the last team to score.
Did the Eagles deserve to win? Hell no. They were consistently beaten because of mental mistakes and superior play by the ‘Skins. Yes, the Eagles are more talented overall, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t need to have their A game to beat us. The fact they played their D game meant it shouldn’t have even been that close.
So JimmyK blew a lot of the respect he earned by douching to a whinny fanboi status instead of manning up and admitting his team didn’t get robbed.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
How much respect did you gain with this "fact"?
The Redskins kicked the Eagles asses in the first game,
No question the Eagles didn’t play well enough to “deserve to win”.
Neither did the Redskins.
Both teams deserved to lose.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
For the record, I went way out of my way to say the Eagles played like pure burning garbage and didn’t deserve to win. Still, there were 5 atrocious calls in that game that went the Redskins’ way. It was one of the most poorly officiated professional games I’ve ever seen.
I can understand that your perception was that I was trying to minimize the Redskins’ win, and that couldn’t be further from the truth. I saw a horribly officiated game and wrote about it. Nothing more, nothing less.
No, you saw through the eyes of someone who was biased. Only three of your five bad calls exist, and toy didn’t bother to say that if the game had been called evenly, it would have ben thee exact same game, except the Eagles wouldn’t have been in position to try to tie the score or win at the end. And one of your bad calls want bad, it was stupid coach tricks, just like when Gibbs called the double timeout a few years ago. Bad calls went your way too, but you only moan about getting robbed because your team couldn’t line up after a timeout that your coach was arguing through. That was on Reid, not the refs. And as for ferrying your asses handed to you, watch that first half again. That was an ass kicking, until your team got functional again, before your dysfunctional coach blew it. The McNabb got frigid, and we played to run out the clock, which allowed the Eagles to get back on track.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
by BillWard on Nov 7, 2010 5:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Toy=didn't
Swype strikes again.
Posted this at the airport in ATL.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
by BillWard on Nov 7, 2010 5:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Toy=didn't
Swype strikes again.
Posted this at the airport in ATL.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
by BillWard on Nov 7, 2010 5:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well you'd get an honest, somewhat accurate answer.
Isn’t that the point of asking a question?
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
McNabb Great Ball Player
I believe (and I have said it before): McNabb is a great quarterback. Both on the field and just as important, in the locker room. However, this nepotism going on with Shanahan is ridicules. He needs to fire his offensive coordinator son and get a good unrelated offensive coordinator with enough background to make his own decisions.
I believe McNabb has at least two or three good years in him and (I may be the first to say this:) he may one day be a great coach. He seems intelligent, knows how to talk, and has great leadership skills.
I believe we need to work with what we have. Shanahan needs get real while making solid decisions.

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