Jake Plummer Weighs in on BenchGate - And This Makes Sense
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT
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I could really care less what all the pundits and big-headed egos like Freddie Mitchell, Colin Cowherd, and Skip Bayless have to say about McNabb since they've never worked in DC or under Shanahan, but you know who I will listen to? Jake Plummer. He played four years under Shanahan and then Offensive Coordinator Gary Kubiak (who was Kyle Shanahan's boss last year in Houston):
"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating.It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."
"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway. Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway. He coached a team to almost perfection [with Elway] so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic." [Yahoo]
This makes a lot of sense....now, does Rex Grossman remind anyone of John Elway? Haha (I literally had to pause for 10 seconds to stop laughing just now).
(And just to spite JimmyK, this post was sponsored by the Ameritel Triplets..."We Know Quality Copies")
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Kyle
Needs to step up. None of us know enough about the situation, but I feel like Kyle can bridge the gap between his Dad and some of the players i.e. McNabb. Unless Kyle is intimidated by his father, which could very well be the case.
Unless Kyle is intimidated by his father, which could very well be the case.
I would bet a lot of money on this…based solely on that Week 1 NFL Film. Kyle is more of a puppet than Vinny ever was.
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The issue may be how does Kyle relate to MS versus how did he relate to Kubiak. The body language during the
games with the Skins seems constrained especially facial expression. Was it like that on the sidelines with Kubiak? It was true that Mike told Kyle to go with zebra on one play. What other info do you have on sideline sound in the other 7 games?
by Jefferson1935 on Nov 4, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The body language
Does say a lot. He’s doesn’t ooze confidence, and he looks uncomfortable when pop’s is around. I’d love to see Kyle be more assertive, become a better middle man.
by Jedi Mind Kicks on Nov 4, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Wise, Wilbon, Plummer, etc. need to get their heads out of their you know whats.
It’s very clear what is going on right now. McNabb has not been playing well, plain and simple. Shanahan had enough of it, and pulled him after making a terrible interception while having the lead, that led directly to the Lions scoring the winning points. McNabb also almost lost us the Bears game last week, but it was called back because of a delay of game. McNabb should be benched like all the other people who perform poorly at their jobs and I commend Shanahan for doing that. Where Shanahan erred was his explanation afterwords. He should have never muddled his message. Shanahan should have just came out and said he benched McNabb because of his poor play, i.e. no one gets special treatment on this team.
It is questionable whether benching a player with 1:50 left in the game is effective
at anything other than undermining his confidence.
No rational person could think Rex gave us a better chance to win.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Valid point.
Thats where Shanahan erred. He should have just came right out and said he was benching McNabb because his play has been subpar this season and he has been making some silly mistakes that a qb of his supposed caliber should not make.
No…b/c Vinny was a puppet to Snyder’s personnel moves….at least Shanny is football aware.
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I love how quickly the media and a fanbase can turn their attention and change their opinions.
(sarcasm)
.500 anywhere else means you're mediocre.
Why should that be celebrated here?
Pop them bottles then, ThaRak! Lol
RVA, how do you feel about our playoff chances right now, honestly?
Give me the “Redskin fan” response. Then give me the “reality” response. (If they are both one and the same, then tell me that too.)
Reality and Redskins Response- Schedulized (might be a word)
Keep in mind that good teams have bad weeks also….
Week 10- vs Philly: W, McNabb comes out firing and the whole issue goes to rest…
Week 11- @ Tenn: L, Moss, CJ2K, and Tennessee defense might be too much…But we’ll find out
Week 12- vs. Minn: W, Really dysfunctional and really bad, who knows if Farve will even be around.
Week 13- @ NYG: L, Closer then the experts think
Week 14- vs. Tampa Bay: W, Tampa Bay is a great story but I think they may be this year’s Denver Broncos, old Bucs come out to play at FedEx
Week 15- @ Dallas: W, Kind of wary here, but Dallas could be in total disarray and McGee could be playing
Week 16- @ Jacksonville: W, stop the run you stop Jacksonville, they’ll be tanking for draft picks by Week 16.
Week 17- vs. NYG: W, could be resting their starters, regardless I feel a W.
10-6, throw one of these games out still 9-7
Second Half of the season Kool Aid is back and stronger then EVER!
I mean its not that crazy? Right? Its the NFL…
it’s not that crazy…but this offense w/o Cooley is a disaster and he’s really not getting through games too well. I’m a notch below based on the old guys on the team wearing down.
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Looks reasonable to me.
Its hard to predict based on how inconsistent many close games our team finds itself in. The games always seem to be a coin toss.
Here's what I think...
Week 10 – vs. Philly W – Agree with your assessment. McNabb throws for 350 and we hear about the benching for a couple more days.
Week 11 – @Tenn L – Before Randy, I would have said win. But we can’t stack the box now to stop Chris Johnson. That’ll be a problem.
Week 12 – vs. Minn: L – Close game, but their DLine has a field day on us. Suddenly, we’re on the outside looking in…
Week 13 – @NYG: W – Eli will give us the game by throwing to Hall ala Jay Cutler late in the game.
Week 14 – vs. Tampa W – A game where we’ll look bad, but win. Tampa credited for being improved. Redskins questioned for being inconsistent on the cusp of a potential playoff run…
Week 15 – @Dallas W – Dallas plays an inspired first half. We win the second half and send them on their way to 3-13.
Week 16 – @Jacksonville L – We play uninspired after sweeping Dallas and cough up a stinker. MJD goes wild, and I’m scratching my head…
Week 17- vs. NYG L – and my heart’s broken. There goes the playoffs.
I think we needed that one game cushion, and because we blew it in Detroit, I think that game comes back to bite us. Like I said before, I think we need to sweep the NFC East in order to make it in at 9-7. But leave it to my Redskins to break my heart in the eleventh hour…
We should get a HH bus trip going for the Jacksonville game
All we need is like 12 people and we’ll out number the rest of the crowd.
can't we take Hooters Air or something a little faster?
I can use all the funds from my SB Nation paycheck to buy 3 of us drinks.
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Christmas may get in the way maybe we should just go to Dallas instead the week before.
Tickets will be cheap…
I saw deadspin tracked down the girl. She goes to ECU and ppl begged for them not reveal her name. They agreed…but they gave away her year (sophmore) and the nugget that the dude was her boyfriend on facebook. So she gets +1 point for class bringing her total to -1199.
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Because, to parphrase a popular post currently on the right side...
the team has been truly pathetic for much of the last twenty years.
Looking at our schedule, there's still time (and a QB benching) for that to be the case...
I know, I know. I’m such a Debbie Downer today.
Blame the rain.
Shanahan is egotistical!????
And it might hurt the team!??
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Kevin,
Ted Leonsis just said he’ll do the Dougie when the Wiz sell out a home game…that is gonna be some fantastic video….
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WOW what a terrible idea.
A coach who wants to win every week. A coach who benches someone when he wants to send them a message.
Almost seems as if this article was written to prove a point that says………..You see I was right about Shanahan, he’s a flawed coach, now let’s start looking for another one.
Nothing positive comes out of this.
by skinsymets on Nov 4, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thats one perspective
The Broncos were a playoff team with Jake the Snake at the helm. They even made it to their AFC Championship game in 2006 as the article points out. There’s no reason to think Shanahan and McNabb can’t be successful together also.
Trust in the Shana-Plan.
If you’re gonna bench a guy…do it before a game or at halftime…not in the final 2 mins of the game when the QB has only played 1 regular season game in the last 1 1/2 seasons.
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I totally agree
But with the way our OL was getting manhandled, do you honestly think McNabb was going to bring us back?
Trust in the Shana-Plan.
you think Rex was more likely?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I’m thinking my writing career will go a lot further if I go the Jason Whitlock route and write that Rex Grossman gives us a better chance to win. I can show clips of Grossman at Florida and throw some stats of the 2-3 games plays Wuerrfel and Shane Matthews excelled.
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So what you are saying is that it's your opinion
that Shanahan should have benched him before the game or at halftime.
It wasn’t about Grossman, it was about sending Mcnabb a message. Just because Shanahan didn’t explain it the way you wanted him to in his pressers doesn’t mean he has to. It’s not a black or white issue either. There is no doubt they want him to stay and perform, and that’s how Shanny believes he will get him to perform. You are essentially criticizing the process by which Shanny is using to get the best out of Mcnabb…..which is fine, but I’m just pointing it out.
I don’t think anyone believes Shanahan really believes Grossman gave us the best chance to win. I think that he just wanted to let him know that he’s not untouchable just because his jersey says Mcnabb on the back.
I don’t think anyone believes Shanahan really believes Grossman gave us the best chance to win. I think that he just wanted to let him know that he’s not untouchable just because his jersey says Mcnabb on the back.
So it’s OK to sandbag a close game to send a message? Obviously, the coaches really believed Grossman could pull it off….what if he actually did? Then we’d really have something to talk about. When McNabb was benched in the past…it was a blowout. just sayin.
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If it makes Mcnabb realize some of the things they want out of him.....yes
If we make the playoffs and Mcnabb looks good and he isn’t the sole reason for a lose regardless of if it’s a win or loss, you will look back and be happy this happened.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think you believed we were going to make the playoffs anyway. I recall many posts about drinking the kool-aid and now here you are essentially complaining about how much kool-aid you drank.
I predicted 7-9….. I’m still behind this team…with the realization cleaning Cerrato’s mess is not a 1-year fix…same as it was when Gibbs was cleaning Cerrato’s first filled diaper. Wins are like bonging koolaid….thank God the BYE was this week b/c the players would be going bananas if they had to answer these Grossman questions all week.
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I'm still holding out for another top ten pick next year in the draft
but it doesn’t look like it will happen. Sounds crazy, but I still think we could end up with 10 wins this year, that’s how unpredictable this year seems to be.
I hope Shanahan gets to play out the entire 5 years, we at least need some type of continuity after that last ten years.
The bye week came at the perfect time not only because of Grossman but because of the injuries.
That is, at best, an extremely questionable way to "send a message"
At the same time, it’s an extremely easy way to undermine the confidence of your best player, and question his leadership (and manhood) in front of the entire team.
I understand Shanahan’s a hard ass and is rebuilding a broken team and that he’s a perfectionist. But he’s a manager. A boss. He needs to coax his players/employees. Odds are he went way too far.
Plummer’s quotes speak to this. There is such thing as overkill, at which point you undermine your own efforts to motivate.
it was about sending Mcnabb a message
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Interesting insight.
In some ways Jake Plummer’s personality is kind of similar to McNabb’s. They’re both laid back, free-spirited, and a little undisciplined. That’s not a knock on either as a QB, but I can see where it wouldn’t necessarily mesh well with a perfectionist like Shanahan.
Trust in the Shana-Plan.
you know whats bad
is I cant even summon anger over this decsion as I am just too bewildered by it all.
All week I saw the loss to Detroit coming, but when I saw the way it happened it just confirmed all my worst fears about Shanahan coming in.
Rarely in my life have I ever wanted to be wrong more than I wanted to be wrong with my misgivings about Shanahan early int he year, but he has confirmed them all. The arrogance is just baffling, his drafting was woeful (you dont count the #4 pick that was a cant miss and we now all but know that if he hadnt traded for McNabb he would have taken Clausen with that pick)
Now after trading away the ultra valuable pick 37 and next years 2nd and 3rd rounder for a One Year McNabb Rental and the underperforming Brown, we are in the same position Vinny always left us in, except with a HC GM combo that has the entire Washington area media in their pocket, at least with Vinny we could rely on his incompetence being called out consistently, with Shanahan his incompetence will be covered up by the same paper that once exposed Watergate.
“The Washington Post, we’ll bring down a President but damned if we’ll ask tough questions of a SB winning HC”
Pommylee
I think Brown will be better next year
That was a bad injury and he needs more time. If it is a fourth I am happy with it, but a third and I am not as keen. I still think McNabb was a HUGE mistake. Take a lineman with the second and JC would have been fine as a holdover. Besides that dude reeks of the Eagles. I hate it.
we lose our 3rd and 4th picks next year no matter what. Saints get the other pick from the Brown trade
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Clausen isn't looking that great for Carolina
And I’m not convinced we have more offensive talent than the Panthers to support him. I’d much rather have a proven QB that can’t perform consistently but MOSTLY performs when it counts than an unproven, MAYBE talent. It’s hard for a rookie QB to flourish against a depleted OL—if McNabb can’t then I doubt Clausen could. So far, Bradford is doing it but Clausen isn’t half the QB Bradford is shaping up to be.
Where are my shoelaces?
The equation is more complicated than that
Do you want 2-3 years of McNabb (or worse, 1 year) or do you want a QB prospect who might turn out to be good (or might not) and if he’s good, will QB for years.
The answer seems obvious to me, as it did the day of the trade.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
that was my point
my point was not that I wanted Clausen, but that if we didnt have McNabb Shanahan would ahve wasted the 4th pick on Clausen, so for that reason we cant ever really give him credit for the T Williams pick.
I truly am beggining to hate Shanahan, I think he has lost the plot, I really do
Pommylee
Call it what you want....
benching, pulling or even resting, this isn’t good for the Redskins season or chances for resigning McNabb.
Remember Mikey, this isn’t Denver. You might think you have clout, but we all know who holds the strings in DC.
Obey should be banned just for his profile pic
Especially after John Wall incident
by Parks Smith on Nov 5, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rolls his eyes
Point guard is like the quarterback. it’s an IQ-judgment position. The great ones are not about themselves. They’re about the others. Leadership is IQ, it’s not skills.
Rajon Rondo > John Wall
If NOT Shanahan than who???
Shanahan is the best coach this franchise has had since Marty… to all those bashing Shanny, whats your solution??? Gruden. Im glad Shanahan is the coach of this team!!
I would trade Shanahan
for Cowher and not think twice about it. Other than that, nobody.
Hindsight being 20/20,
I DO feel like Cowher/McNabb would have worked better than Shanahan/McNabb. But, lets just hope for the best. It still can work.
I'm bashing his decision to bench McNabb
I still think he’s probably a good coach for us.
What he has no resume for is being GM.
THAT is where my primary criticism is.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
What he has no resume for is being GM. THAT is where my primary criticism is.
Bruce Allen is the GM. I heard Shanny speak at the Redskins Lunchbox and he was gushing about how much Bruce does w/ contracts, free agents, player agents…all that stuff is off Shanny’s plate. I’m more worried about his drafting skills. A year to study college football and he only got 1 pick right.
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Granted, I know it’s still early…I’m not saying the other picks are hopeless…it’s just none of the guys are contributing AT ALL this year and a lot of teams do find starters in mid rounds.
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Anything past round two,
the odds of getting a future starter fall off drastically, much less a guy who will start as a rookie. Anything past round four, and the odds of a guy who will contribute meaningful minutes to the team falls off the same way. Mid- or late-round picks that work out are not so much a result of “good drafting” as a happy accident. GMs and coaches look like geniuses when they turn out to be Terrell Davis, and look kinda foolish when they don’t.
Too many fans are making preconceived notions about how this regime is run...
I don’t even consider last offseason their first, they basically had to go to the sCrapyard to fill the roster, this upcoming offseason is what will be the real measuring stick for the future.
When I say GM, I mean the guy signing off on all personnel decisions
and that man is Shanahan.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Don’t you think the team would be disjointed if a GM just got whomever he wanted and the coach was stuck with them? Its like a bad NBA team…
I’m mean really, do GMs exist any more in the NFL? Its so far from the model of any other sport.
There has to be someone who can overrule the head coach
Besides the owner, that is.
And yes, there are lots of good GMs left.
Ravens. Chiefs. Giants. Chargers (VJax notwithstanding). Jets. Belichick doesn’t have final say in NE. Steelers.
Lots of teams.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
how about doing what Pittsburgh, New Orleans and yes even Tampa have done
get a young Coach who is hungry and talented, rather than relying on a “Name”
Pommylee
I knew that Response was coming
but it is not accurate
Zorn was not highly regarded, he had never been a co-ordinator had no rep in the NFL and was picked purely because Cerrato thought a weak head coach would give him more political power within the organisation
A Leslie Frazer or any other of the highly regarded CoOrdinators across the league
Pommylee
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