Pour Some Sugar On Me -- 2010 Stay Medium Edition
When asked what word came to mind when he thought of the 2010 Washington Redskins, Kevin replied, "Vomit."
That comes to you straight from our latest episode of Redskins Lunchbox, and a day after taping it, I am still stupefied by that sentiment. What is the big deal? Listen, I have taken a few shots at the team and organization this year, so don't paint me as the Chief Apologist, but given where we are coming from, how can we not see some real bright spots?
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1. Shanahan is turning over this roster much quicker than his predecessors. I have already talked enough about this one, but it is a big deal.
2. Don't worry about guys like Joey Galloway being on this roster right now. Vonnie Holliday, Joey Galloway and even players like Larry Johnson and Willie Parker are being used by this new regime not just to push the younger guys to fight for jobs, but also to fill gaps that open up when they feel compelled to cut a Devin Thomas. I see Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan saying, "If this guy is not in our plans, let's get rid of him now and try and move forward." There is no sense in keeping a guy around who is not the kind of player you want (when you are trying to make wholesale changes in a banged up franchise). In the meantime, it helps to have older vets pick up the slack until reinforcements arrive. You see, it is much easier to create holes in your roster during the season than it is to fill those holes. There is no reason this staff should be scared to jettison players who are not part of the long-term plan. After all, that was a huge beef we had with Vinny, wasn't it? He held onto guys for no better reason than the fact they were his draft picks.
3. The whole flap between DeAngelo Hall and Jim Haslett was really blown up as yet another disaster from inside the dysfunctional Skins organization. While things seem to have calmed down a bit, I look at that debacle as more of an indicator of the growing pains this defense is having in the new scheme. When you change away from something that was clearly working for a group of guys, you have to expect some rebellion. That rebellion is healthy and allows a strong coaching staff to assert its authority. What happened next? Well, I won't credit Haslett with Hall's interception festival, but I will suggest that the whole episode helped the cause. And it's not just about a coach saying, "My way or the highway." It is about a coach saying, "It doesn't matter how good you think you are or how much money you are getting paid--do your job or you're gonna hear about it." That kind of accountability has to be installed as much as the 3-4 scheme does in this town. I take this as a sign it is, in fact, being installed.
4. Brandon Banks. 'Nuff said? It never is with me, is it? I'll keep it short. Even when he doesn't score, he is (for the most part) changing field position so drastically that even our offense can get points.
5. Ryan Torain, Keiland Williams and James Davis. Do my eyes deceive me or do we have three young running backs in the fold? I don't see any of them making the Pro Bowl anytime soon (unless Torain has 16 games in him next year). I grant you all that Larry Johnson and Willie Parker were questionable pickups that not only failed to pan out, but look pretty bad in retrospect. Yet here we are with some dudes basically off the street. I don't want to enter 2011 with just these three guys in the fold, but having youth at the position is a refreshing start. At worst, we have some depth if and when we bring in a more pedigreed horse. At best, one of these guys emerges as "the guy." Right now, Torain does have a chance to do that.
6. Anthony Armstrong. I understand he has not blown up all your skirts. A couple of his drops have been simply unacceptable. Yet he is 8th in the entire league in yards per catch (21.6) and is also 8th in catches over 20 yards (stands to reason given the first). His yards after the catch leaves a lot to be desired. A LOT. But having him on the field getting reps and learning on the go this season is an investment that stands to pay off. Who knows better than us what a crapshoot it is getting wide receivers to perform right away? The guys we have brought in over the last few years haven't even been able to get on the field. That makes Arsmtrong leaps and bounds ahead of them. Give him this year and see if he doesn't come back next season and take it to the next level. After all, we have to develop somebody eventually, right?
7. LaRon Landry. What a bright spot...I mean, at least someone is THRIVING in this new defense. Might as well be one of our most explosive players, right? I love what he is doing, as do most of you. He is finally playing at a level that justifies his high draft choice. I can't wait to see him in this defense next year when we have hopefully added a piece or two that will free him up even more.
8. Don't make me say Graham Gano...I don't want to do it. He has had a very uneven season...downright bad at times on the field goals. But he is very young, has a strong leg and can gain a lot of confidence by being given the year to learn how to make it in the League. His kickoffs have been a very huge addition to this special teams unit. Our ability to keep opposing offenses from starting out with great field position has a lot to do with Gano's kickoffs. I won't suggest there isn't a guy on the street who could come in and do the same job, but the experience Gano is getting this year could easily turn him into a career kicker for this squad. While the last thing I want to do is get excited about a kicker, I don't have to explain to this fanbase how important that could be to the Redskins.
9. More so than the above tries, this point is sunshine straight up the 5-hole. Wins over Philly, Green Bay, Dallas, and Chicago are meaningful. In the NFC, conference record is likely going to decide things in December and January. If the AFC could be compared to a major University, the NFC would be compared to a Community College. It will be much harder to get into the playoffs out of the AFC, while admission in the NFC playoffs is going to be a LOT easier. As bad as things seem right now amidst the benching of McNabb, the JaMarcus Russell tryout and the loss to Detroit, we can actually still partake in the NFC playoff discussion.
10. At 4-4, I am not asking that we be happy just to not have a losing record, although that is reason to be happy. I am not suggesting we settle for mediocrity, although "mediocre" is officially a step up from "laughingstock". And I am not at all suggesting that we ignore the potentially alarming willingness of this new front office to trade draft picks for veterans. What I am doing though is suggesting that during the BYE week, perhaps we should all think back to the midway point of last season and ask ourselves, "Are we better off today than we were 12 months ago?"
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Before I get creamed thanks to Ken...
I said, “Vomit, no, but in all seriousness…” and then went into the OLine problems from the Lions game….so, thx for the misquote Ken.
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I didn’t realize I’m not allowed to make jokes on an internet show. my bad.
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absolutely not...
Can you bring in LJP as a special guest next week? I still want to know what he looks like.
We need a panel with CincyBoy on one side and LJP on the other.
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I think the CSN studio would implode
SO SAYS LJP!!!
by Parks Smith on Nov 2, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Two butt slaps
and a collapsing roof for a CincyBoy-LJP face off! Let’s do it.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Dude, take the lead from all the guys we cover
And tell me that I took your quote “out of context!”
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what this means….but the difference is you were sitting next to me. I don’t think this team is vomit….but ppl seem to enjoy me being the realist pessimist for a team I desperately want honor and respect restored to…so if you want to spin it ala MIke Florio – more power to you.
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As if you don't hit me hard for my overly optimistic ways
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, you’re optimism even through last year had my slap meter about 2 notches down from how I smack a Cowboys fan.
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Mother and Father are fighting again.
yet another broken home.
I like the "Good Cop" vs "Bad Cop"
‘cuz I’m basically bi-polar on the ’Skins. That means each week, one of you is either lifting me out of the dreads or bringing me down to earth.
I’m still in horror over our line play and don’t know what to make of the D-Mac benching. The only plus I saw of it was that Shanny probably saved his life and we have a chance of regrouping with some mending during the bye week.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 2, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
all that needs to be said is....
The fact Cerrato and Zorn are out automatically means we’re better than last year.
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There's the optimism
We’ve all been looking for.
Two points from me.
- So much criticism coming from analysts and fans around the league about Shanahan’s benching of McNabb at the end of the game. While I was also surprised, I can definitely see justification. With 4 minutes left in the game, and winning by 5 points, McNabb throws an interception into triple coverage. The last thing you want to see. While trying to defend it the next day, he struggled to find a sensible response. Commenting on cardiovascular is less damaging than decision making for a QB (maybe makes him work harder too).
- The offensive line did not play great. That is pretty obvious for most spectators and a big scapegoat for the loss. But what a lot of people are forgetting is that Portis and even Torain are much better at picking up blitzes than Williams (who has never really done it). If you want the game again, once Williams comes in, linebackers and stunts start getting to the quarterback with less contention. Portis and/or Torain back will greatly help pass protection in this scheme.
by SSBlitz on Nov 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Another quick point: Try not to listen to Kevin or Smuts too much. Their depressing outlook on life can be contagious.
Oh you said it,
At least the Cowboys are keeping me happier every week.
But about that triple coverage pickle, Cooley said the pass was tipped or something and that led to it getting intercepted, can anyone look up the play at work and check it?
We desperately need Portis back for his blocking skills, it’s crazy how much of a difference he makes.
"You're fucking out!"
I watched it.
And the replays after. Even if it was tipped, there was only one Redskin with three Lions around him. A turnover in that scenario is the worst thing possible. Throwing into triple coverage is unacceptable.
One minute left before half-time
McNabb leads the offense down the field and get’s them within FG range, despite the craptastic O-line play. He looked very much capable of running a hurry-up offense to me. The QB wasn’t the issue, and it only took one play from Grossman to illustrate why McNabb struggled all day.
even more reason
Portis and even Torain are much better at picking up blitzes than Williams
To wonder WTF Shanny was thinking. Did you hear him say the “didn’t expect pressure up the middle”? Was he watching the same game I was? Suh had a career game coming “up the middle”. So, without a “bodyguard”, did he really expect Grossman to do ANYTHING behind that O-line? What, did he think Greg Blache was on the opposite sideline?
Shanahan can spin this all he wants. Believe me, I really hope we get past it and McNabb resigns here. But the coach cost us that game. It came down to 2 penalties, and that decision. Those were the aspects of the game we could not overcome. And they both point to poor coaching. There, I said it.
by CJHutch on Nov 2, 2010 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure I follow.
That pressure up the middle was almost always stunts or LB blitzes. Yes, there were numerous times that their line just out hustled ours, but if Portis is back there blocking (or Torain to a degree), he picks up that stunt or blitz. You’ll see near the end of the game that Cooley was in the backfield a lot more to try and help with blocking, though I think Sellers could’ve done even better.
Keiland Williams is a rookie out of college where he was never audibled to block. Watch the game again, he missed a lot of assignments.
yeah, you missed my point
Shanahan said he “didn’t expect the rush up the middle”. First of all, Suh was in the backfield the whole game. But just talking about the stunts and/or blitzes, you know you have a “lesser” blocker in the backfield, why in the world would you put a cold, immobile, turnover machine in there with under 2 minutes left? Even if they WEREN’T in the backfield the whole game, anyone knows they’re coming after him now. You’ll never convince me that there was any logic in that move. Pure stupidity.
That was the game changer.
With 4 minutes left in the game, and winning by 5 points, McNabb throws an interception into triple coverage.
Benching McNabb for Grossman was insane and still turns my stomach just thinking about it. But that INT gave the Lions the field position they needed to take the lead and I seriously doubt that McNabb was going to bring us back with that O-line.
Trust in the Shana-Plan.
has anyone looked at the redskins blog today
some funny stuff especially the pic’s of donovan and grossman, definatly looks like there are no hard feelings between them infact the whole team looks pretty cheerful, i don’t think the locker room is lost, I think it’s getting blown out of proportion…
was it the wrong move yes, was it a season ending decision i don’t think so.
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I was fine with the direction of the franchise...
up until 1:50 left in Sunday’s game. I can deal with growing pains switching to a new defense. I can deal with plugging O-line holes through free agency at the expense of some draft picks. I can deal with management jettisoning players who don’t exhibit a good work ethic and professionalism. I can deal with a veteran QB coming in and struggling to learn a whole new system after playing in another system fora decade.
What I can’t deal with is a coach that pulls a 180, and benches the starting QB in the last crucial minutes of a game that is within reach. I can’t deal with a coach that flip flops about why he did something so stupid. I can’t deal with a coach who undermines the confidence of our starting QB going into a bye week, drawing serious questions about whether he is still in the plans to be our franchise QB.
Shanny better plead temporary senility for doing something that stupid, and stop with the bullshit excuses. This is up around the Jim Zorn level of stupid.
That's all well and good
..when the benching is justified. And I really don’t feel it was justified. All that did was illustrate how out-of-touch with reality Shanahan can be. If I were McNabb, I wouldn’t feel motivated by that at all; I would be pissed that my coach wanted to blame the offensive shortcomings on me.
I'm not completely supporting it.
But that was a terrible interception he threw on the previous series.
I think Shanny has grounds for his decision
based on temporary insanity. No doubt he was pissed that a veteran QB what make such a poor decision on the pick.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
At some point Daddy Shanny needs to stop punishing
It’s not like McNabb threw 4 interceptions in a single game or anything. It just showed a complete lack of faith. It’s as if Mike’s lack of faith shorted out the logical impulse that a backup who hasn’t taken a regular season snap all year could come into the highest pressure situation imaginable and outperform the starter.
The bottom line to me is, if Mike really thought that gave the team the best chance to win, then he doesn’t have the firm grasp of the game that I thought he did.
Temporary insanity
That would definitely be better than early Early-onset Alzheimer’s.
Trust in the Shana-Plan.
Speaking of which, do you remember the media shitstorm that followed that?
There was absolutely, positively no way McNabb would ever start in Philly again. Except he did, the next game, and every game up to the NFC champs.
Bored and broke.
again
Different circumstance. They already had their heir apparent in place. So they had someone who could take over if they “lost” McNabb. Plus, he was the main reason they were losing that day (well, him and the Ravens ‘D’). This game was lost on those two penalties, then sealed with Grossman’s first dropback.
by CJHutch on Nov 2, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So this JaMarcus Russell thing is a joke...
right?
He easily needs to lose 35+ pounds to even see the field, let alone learn a system that a future HOFer supposedly hasn’t learned.
The upside is that he’s been discarded by everyone and needs to show well in order to have any future in football.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
I got a little excited at 4-3 and beating the Packers, but now it’s time to back off the emotions a bit and dose up the turd polish. The team will be better off in the long run, I just wish there were more draft picks next year.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
this is an oxymoron
The team will be better off in the long run, I just wish there were more draft picks next year.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
No it's not.
Because the world doesn’t end next year (that’s in 2012, ba-dum-bum). This team WILL be better off in the future, DESPITE not having more draft picks next year.
There are no guarantees of anything
Shanahan may very well continue to trade away half our picks for vets.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
haha you’re full of it today
Brandon Banks. ‘Nuff said? It never is with me, is it? I’ll keep it short.
pun intended?
What I am doing though is suggesting that during the BYE week, perhaps we should all think back to the midway point of last season and ask ourselves, “Are we better off today than we were 12 months ago?”
We could look back at last season’s loss to Detroit and ask ourselves the same thing, and the answer is yes.
"You're fucking out!"
We were 6-2 under Jim Zorn
And we know how that turned out. I’ll withold judgement on Shanny until 16 games have been played.
And your point?
My point was Zorn’s first year with skins was better at this point than Shanny’s first year with skins.
thats easy
Nobody had film on us. Once they had a little film, we got destroyed. Remember? That’s also why we don’t have Zorn as our HC. Even with this lapse in judgement, Shanny is far better than Zorn. If that wasn’t the case, Zorn would not have gone back to coaching QB’s.
HTTR!
Zorn also inherited a playoff team, Shanny inherited a bag of beans.
by Parks Smith on Nov 2, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if we are 6-10 at season's end
Will you be singing Shanny’s praises?
That's why I'm witholding judgement
You seem to have missed the “witholding judgement” part of the statement. I’ll give shanny 8 more games before I put 100% trust in him as a head coach.
I agree
I don’t know if Shanny’s the savior or not. I do think we are in a better situation as a franchise than we were with Zorn and Snyderatto. And regardless of whether we give him 100%, as long as the player’s buy in to him, we’ll be a better team.
HTTR!
I'm not convinced
That the players are buying into him, particularly with this McNabb benching.
Benching the guy you brought here to be your team leader
Is a dumbass move. If you are a head coach and don’t trust the leader you brought here for 2 draft picks to run a 2-minute drill, you must be on crack.
Has anyone thought that by signing Moss we would get a compensatory pick for next year
I guess paying 3.5 mil for a pick. Not sure how these things work.
Adam Schefter...is that you?
$3.5 mil is def worth it….and I say that b/c it’s not my money. Although 3/4th of that is probably my career bar tab at that Fedex halftime bar.
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Adam Schefter has. ha.
$3.5 mil is def worth it….and I say that b/c it’s not my money. Although 3/4th of that is probably my career bar tab at that Fedex halftime bar.
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If he slips, im betting Snyder cant control himself
by RememberSean21 on Nov 2, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter if he slips...
Its not like the NFL calls you and ask you if you want him. All 32 teams will say Yes or No to the NFL on whether or not if they want him and then the league notifies everyone at the same time via email.
That’s why a team like the Jets or Dolphins may put in a claim without necessity just to block him from going to a divisional opponent. Same with the Raiders in regards to the Chiefs.
It will def be interesting, I speculate that the fact we have been so quiet about and haven’t batted it down like other teams may mean we will put in a claim.
well excuse my ignorance
I guess I meant if its up to Snyder hes like a kid in a candy store. Could you imagine having the money to “buy” Moss. Itd be real tough not too….
by RememberSean21 on Nov 2, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Portis would have been a HUGE help
In the game against Detroit. His blocking could have been enough to give us the victory. It will be good to have him back.
I dont think anyone will question that were better off now than we were midway thru last year
but how many steps back did we take with one decision and two minutes left in Detroit? We’ve been building around McNabb and the assumption he’d be around for awhile. How do we tear down our foundation at such a critical time?
Ken, please define "laughingstock"
10. "although “mediocre” is officially a step up from ‘laughingstock’."
In today’s lunchbox episode, you said that you dont understand Shanhan’s decision to bench McNabb. Then you said, “I was laughing.” So, you claim that you were laughing at the decsion, but this team is not a laughingstock? That seems contradictory. Also, have you not hear so many people in the media question the decision? Ken, people are laughing at this team now. A lot of people. If you dont believe me, just ask the fans of the other NFC east teams. Especially Eagles fans.
I agree with RememberSean. Good comment.
It was a surreal moment dude
I was 100% sober watching this game, and the moment I saw Rexy doing calisthenics on the sidelines, I was amused. Just an honest reaction. Different, I would argue, than stating that the Washington Redskins are a laughingstock. Though I can at least understand your confusion there.
I think the perception of this franchise is changing faster inside the beltway than it is outside the beltway. And that is saying something, since this site would serve as a testament to the slow change of local perception.
As to what fans of other NFC East teams think…do I really care what Cowgirls fans think? No. Do I really care what Eagles fans think? Come on…we are 1-0 against them this year. Of the lot, I’ll give Giants fans the benefit of the doubt since their team not only looks strong, but they tend to be decent fans.
I’ll stand by my assertion that where we stand right now, what I called “mediocre”, is on stronger footing than the “laughingstock” ground we stood on last year.
Seriously, dude…Sherm Lewis, Jim Zorn, Vinny Cerrato, all the over-the-top ridiculous BS that went on during the season last year??!!?? You are telling me what you see right now deserves to be classified in that same category?
I don’t…and I stand by that.
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 2, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wrong about 1 thing
and that is: "I think the perception of this franchise is changing faster inside the beltway than it is outside the beltway. " You’ve got it completely backwards.
I don't think so...
I think my point is that neither is changing very fast, but until we show up and beat a good team on a big stage, nobody outside this region is going to change the way they think about us.
The Dallas win could have been something…but turns out they suck. Thanks Dallas.
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
After hearing Kyle's comments on the situation
it seems like the biggest mistake was Mike Shanahan “lieing” to the media after the game. He should have just said, “McNabb has been struggling with hamstring issues and we thought that was affecting him on Sunday. We want to give him two weeks to rest and give us the best chance to win in Philly” and everything would have been honky dory. What a BOOB! hahaha
sorry, thats what happens when I spend the day with my son watching Horton Hears a Who..
“The mayor(of hooville) is simply being a BOOB!”
by RememberSean21 on Nov 2, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What's this about Russell?
And we get a draft pick if we sign Moss? After the Yahoo article (about his boorish behaviour at the dinner, and in speaking, and loafing), I’d still not touch him – he’s nuts.
I'm with you in thinking that we're headed the right direction
but I’ll admit it’s frustrating.
The biggest beef I’ve had all year was the benching of McNabb for Grossman – I just can’t fathom how Grossman could us a better chance to win than McNabb regardless of conditioing.
At least we do not have anymore patsies left
No more letdowns. All of the remaining teams should receive full attention. Maybe we get lucky and don’t fold our tents!
the more I think about it
I DEFINITELY think we should sign Moss. Think if how great our DEFENSE will be. Yes, I said defense. Cuz the more the drama shifts away from Haynesworth, the better he plays. Plus, that drama will put the McNabb drama on the backburner.
C’mon RanDAY.
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