Pour Some Sugar On Me -- Wait Until You See How Badly the Redskins Beat the Titans
That's right...I am predicting the unpredictable. Literally. I am betting on all that is ridiculous. Up is down. Down is up. Dogs and cats...living together. This 59-28 drubbing at the hands of Mike Vick will do the impossible--and become even more surreal when we crush the Titans in Tennessee this weekend.
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1. As bad as the Redskins looked against the Eagles, that is how good they will look this weekend against the Titans. Maybe we won't drop 59 points on Tennessee. Scratch that. We will DEFINITELY not drop 59 points on Tennessee, but our offense will wake up. We might even have more than one healthy running back at our disposal!
2. At 4-5, we have not lost the ability to finish the season respectably. Forget about playoff talk--not that the playoffs are out of reach. Even if we squeaked into the postseason though, we just got a taste of how that might go against a team that is very much going to the playoffs. Progress under Shanahan on offense and Haslett on defense should be our main goal. If we get hot down the stretch and steal some games that boost our profile, so be it.
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3. I have traditionally been the one to argue that, in any given year, the Redskins could make the playoffs and contend for a title---because hey, why not? While I have made the case that this current squad was capable of advancing to the playoffs in an otherwise feeble NFC, you have not heard me compare our chances of contending with those of the consensus elite teams in the league. When we fired Vinny Cerrato and brought in Shanahan and Bruce Allen, the Redskins set upon a course that was inherently stronger than previous courses. A legit head coach paired with a seasoned general manager was all we had really asked for the last few seasons. I was (and still am) fully prepared to allow these guys to dig out from the pile of shit that Vinny Cerrato left them. The trade to acquire Donovan McNabb was--at the time--not a bad deal. I hated to lose the top picks, but the seemingly obvious upgrade at quarterback had a lot of potential. Putting a veteran quarterback with some mobility behind our questionable line had some wisdom, in my opinion. Signing him to an extension does not get us back those picks, but it could help us with the allocation of our future resources. Having McNabb in tow for another year for example, could give Bruce Allen license to address the offensive line in the 1st round of the draft again, and not the QB spot. Maybe. As long as we make progress in turning this roster over between now and next September, I will find some meager level of happiness. I will never be happy with getting blown out at home on national television, or failing to show up on multiple occasions in a single season, but this season was never about winning the Super Bowl, and we all know it. Well, almost all of us...read on.
4. I will live up to my part of the bargain and be patient with the rebuilding process. But how about the Redskins front office not sending out letters saying "The Future Is Now" for at least one or two seasons? That is insulting, don't you think? The foundation of all my positivity and high hopes for this team laid in the idea that we could scrap our way to respectability on any given Sunday. I simply chose to believe that between teams not seeing us coming and a few good breaks, we could be fun to watch for a season and then who knows? My prediction of 10-6 has been more about the weakness of the NFC than about the Redskins being very good. The Future Is NOT Now. We need at least one or two more drafts to fill holes to build a team that is capable of contending. That was true at the beginning of the season and remains true today.
5. You might say that Shanahan is not the world's greatest talent evaluator, but remember that before he left Denver, he had a quarterback playing at a high level, two young tackles, a very solid tight end, a stud wide receiver in Brandon Marshall and a rookie wide receiver in Eddie Royal that blew up (before kind of disappearing last year). That offense was very much capable of doing damage in the NFL. However much credit you want to give Shanahan for that is your choice, but that is what he is going to try and do here, and it will take at least one or two more drafts to get there. For what it's worth, I don't see McNabb as the guy the Shanahans see filling the Jay Cutler role. I think his value lies more in his ability to play better than an unknown rookie for a season or two until they can get their man out of college. More on this below...
6. Free Agency will absolutely be a component of our rebuilding process. Part of the reason is because there are simply too many holes to fill in the draft--and we find ourselves once again missing key draft picks. The other thing to remember is that last season there was not much to work with in free agency. All those 5-year guys who would have hit the market didn't. There were a few studs and then a huge dropoff. If I had to choose which side of the ball to focus on in free agency, I would choose defense. Use the draft picks to build the offensive line and find a gem that can shine at a skill position. Use free agency to find a linebacker and defensive lineman (yeah, let's go to that well again!) to try and keep Haslett on course. A 5th or 6th year guy on a 4-5 year contract could be a great addition to our club if he is the right character fit. Perhaps that will be an increased focus of Allen and Shanahan as we go forward...perhaps.
7. Bench Haynesworth for the season. Keyshawn him. I don't want to just release him because I don't want to give him the satisfaction of going somewhere else and playing well and then telling the cameras how he just needed a change of scenery and a different coach. I don't even care about the storylines that would create and the added headache or talking about it for the next two months. Just deactivate him and make up some stories about why...Shanahan has proven he can do that with the best of them.
8. As Kevin has pointed out multiple times, we have way more holes to fill than draft choices to fill them. I am not arguing that. In fact, that is why I am saying it will take multiple drafts to get it done. What we need to do better is find guys who can give us a year here and there while we bring in the reinforcements. Joey Galloway ain't cutting that cheese. Hell, McNabb is not exactly getting it done either. The holes we can't fill with young players primed to make it big in this league must be manned by more capable dudes next season than Joey Galloway.
9. Since Kevin continues to claim that I think Anthony Armstrong and Ryan Torain are "Our Future", I once again need to set him straight. Kevin, if you are going to rightfully argue that we have more holes on this team than draft choices, you can't then come back and rain down crap on guys like Torain and Armstrong. We can't get a new offensive line, new wide receivers, a new young stud running back, a quarterback of the future, a stud rookie defensive lineman, an heir at middle linebacker and a new athlete in the secondary all in one offseason. That is where the true value of players like Armstrong and Torain manifests itself. With guys like them (and even McNabb) in tow, we can better prioritize the use of our resources over the next 2-3 offseasons. They are not the cornerstone kind of players you want to build your team around, and I am not saying they are. But right now, they are the guys who will be (hopefully) manning some key spots while we build the roster. They are not ancient (like Galloway), and they are not completely useless to our coaching staff (like Devin Thomas or Larry Johnson). They are not "Our Future"...they are "Our Present" and we are lucky to have them right now. They allow us to not only have a warm body who understands his job on Sundays, but it also gives us at least some stability heading into next year. These are good things for a rebuilding team to have.
10. Final thoughts:
a. The real reason why we will perform so well against Tennessee this weekend is because this squad has no real sense of who it is and probably won't all season. That makes it so much easier to shake off a loss like the Monday Night Massacre. It's not like we were a Super Bowl contender that got exposed. Hell, as shocking at it was, was it really the most surprising thing you have seen at FedEx over the last few years? Let's not just let them off the hook, but let's also call this one fairly: this team is a work in progress that has not yet established the kind of esteem that can be destroyed by a game like that. They are just as likely to come out firing on all cylinders as they are to allow another 28 points in the 1st Quarter. I will bet on the unpredictable here and throw my chips on a Redskins rout. Keep in mind that following said victory, we will be in the same head-scratching mode as we are in now. We'll just be doing it after a win this time.
b. I think Shanahan is a good coach who had a bad (awful, horrendous) night. We are not saddled with a guy who has lost his feel for the game. He will prove his worth. I could be wrong of course...there's a third time for everything.
c. Billy, great call on the Skins rout over the Titans.
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Nobody ever criticized Shanahan for his offensive drafting ability.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
His talent evaluation has been criticized by many folks here though
I was just underlining what appears to be your point…that he can build an offense.
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 17, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
was it his
talent evaluation of offense or defense that was criticized?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
To be fair, his defensive choices have been criticized most
But I think given that he has been tasked with tailoring the whole 53, people have expressed a lot of worry.
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 17, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
My initial thought was that you didn’t make it to your “kool aid drinkers anonymous” meeting this week, and I’m not too far from still believing that.
“Hi, I’m Ken. I think that the Redskins aren’t as awful as they looked Monday”
“HI KEN!”
But seriously, this team isn’t as bad as the Monday night game, but they aren’t good enough to pick up the pieces, buck up, walk straight and whoop anyone in the near future. The Lions loss should have served as a wake up call, but somehow, having two weeks to think about it did NOTHING. AH flat gave up, the o line looked like the line that was playing exactly one year ago, and the D scheme has to change before we can predict any win. Any reason to believe that CJ won’t run roughshod over the 3-4 that we have on the field? Any reason to think that Young and Moss weren’t licking their chops while watching Vick and Jackson let loose on us?
Redskins win if the Titans overlook this game, which is unlikely since Fisher is a pretty damn sharp cookie himself.
Maybe if all 52 + Haynesworth find a little bit of pride and go out for blood, things may change. Otherwise, I have no realistic hope of many wins left this year after that soul sucking embarrassment. I hope I’m wrong though.
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
wow...gopens you are someone who thinks before they speak
you jus convinced me that you guys WONT win and i was thinkin u guys would after a disaster on monday…teams usually bounce back after a shit show but u have some very valid points…besides cj is a nightmare
Great. I’m already a red headed stepchild here because of my geographically unfortunate screenname, now I am giving comfort to the opposing fans. If I’m not banished soon, I’ll be shocked!
Seriously though, the Redskin fan psyche has undergone horrific abuse for the last, like 16 years. Watching failure has become less shocking then winning a winnable game, and with every teaspoon of optimism, we get about a quart of disappointment. I made the above points while knowing that the unexpected has happened before with this team, and could happen again. Unfortunately, with every failure, the stars become more difficult to align.
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
"That makes it so much easier to shake off a loss like the Monday Night Massacre"
Really? After having two weeks to prepare? I don’t share your optimism.
And Haslett has never had a good record vs Vick which might say that he’s not the best DC for the job, especially if we have to face him twice a year. But, we’ll see what he can do after he gets more “3-4” personnel. (I hate that excuse.)
HTTR!
Don't mistake my thinly veiled jab at this team with optimism
Hehehehe…I am basically saying this team has no identity to steal or embarrass. I completely share your fear about Haslett and his inability to control Vick. Twice a year against Vick could get him fired a lot faster. Like you though, I will see if can tailor his personnel more to his scheme by next September.
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 17, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
In the meantime
Maybe he should tailor his scheme to fit his personnel. I know they want to play the 3-4 badly because it’s what the cool kids are doing these days, but square peg, round hole, blah blah blah.
That is what good coaches do, right?
maybe that is why we have seen the 4-3 rear its head at times this season. Though I am inclined to believe that these guys think a whole year of growing pains in 2010 equals a good 2011.
We shall see…I know of one fat peg that needs to be hit squarely in the round hole.
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 17, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Statistically
I’ve heard them say on the radio that we’re actually still coming out on the 4-3 more often than the 3-4. The 3-4 is technically our base now but we aren’t lining up that way all or even most of the time. Even teams that are an established 3-4 still run a lot of 4-3 plays.
I think it’s about the most over-disputed issue of the season.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 17, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Think about it like this Ken..
Green Bay had installed their 3-4 defense last year under new DC Dom Capers when they were primarily a 4-3 defense. Many people thought that it wouldn’t work out because they didn’t have the personnel (especially after releasing Aaron Kampman). The season starts and the defense is not doing so hot (let Cedric Benson and Steven Jackson rush over 100 yds), but after the bye week (week 5), they begin to start showing their true talents ie. Clay Matthews, Charles Woodson. They held every team from week 5 until the end of the season under 100 yds. rushing (for their leading rusher, maybe not overall) and only two times did they let a receiver pass 100 yds receiving (Roy Williams 105 and Hines Ward 126). My point? This is how a team should adapt to challenges and that’s why the Packers were a top 5 defense last year. I wish the Redskins would go play hard nose defense instead of complaining about the ‘personnel issues’, ‘new defense’, etc. because complaining won’t win you any games. I didn’t hear any complaints from the Packers and see where they are now? Ray Lewis didn’t complain about switching to a 3-4 early in his career and look where he is now? (of course Ray is a future HOF but you know what I mean)
by hailskins#72 on Nov 17, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
i agree 100% but...
that packer def did start complaining by week 2 or 3 but that stopped quick. not sure if it was the players buying in or if they started to see the fruits of their labor. if i’m not mistaken, they may have even cut one guy from their defense from the beginning of the year. but i may be mistaken, this past week has me in a complete daze.
HTTR!
if they had stayed in a 4-3 they would not be playing 3-4
Which sounds pretty simiple but at some point the convergence has to take place, so why not now…adjustment is playing more 4-3 type plays.
I don't buy it - but I wish it to be true
They might win but I don’t think this team is capable of winning a game by more than 1 score. It hasn’t happened this year and only happened twice last year…
by Hustler of Culture on Nov 17, 2010 4:01 PM EST reply actions
I would like to think....
We could hold off on a WR in the draft. Did we all forget about Malcomb Kelly!?
Titans are overrated
Trust me, I’m a Bronco fan too and we beat them pretty well. CJ isn’t having the kind of season he was expecting, and Young is no Vick. Without Britt, and even with Moss, they aren’t a real passing threat. We got this, lets win this one and get back in the race.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
you didn't beat us pretty well
our bad play calling in the latter quater and a missed block by the most hated player on our team led to your victory
"Its like a bear, if you run it'll chase you. But if you stand still, it'll still chase you" ice0ne
How to get a Fisher Moustache.( A list of directions to Moss)
1- Pull your 84 Jersey out
2- Take the Ball Deep, and Take the Top off the Defense (Don't worry, if you can't get to it, nobody can get to it).
3- Clap once.
4- Say what you wanna say.
5- Ask if you said anything stupid that day.
6- Don't Shine Shoes! or Take Ankles.
7- If they ask why and complain, Tell them "Moss This, Moss That, MossThis MossThat.
8- Tell them that you'll come out and play today, ok Moss?
9- Your are Human and you do have Emotions.
10- Remember this is gonna be a fun ride.
11- You're Home now.
"What do you expect from me Pwnd Kuharsky? Yeah, i thought so. Back to your hole on the ESPN AFC South blog Troll!"
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 18, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Or are the Broncos under rated
They just crushed the Chiefs this week, nearly as badly as the Eagles crushed us.
I think teams are
Licking their chops at the thought of playing us after Monday night. I also think that’s a mistake. No other team has Michael Vick. The Eagles have better personnel than is overall, so they probably would have won that game without Vick. But, make no mistake, that 31 pt. drubbing was a direct result of going against the best player in football right now.
What I’m getting at is, I don’t think that this loss should be considered a barometer for this team. In other words, don’t abandon the boat because you hit a big wave. Let’s see what it can handle. Now, if we come out flat against the Titans, then some jobs need to be taken.
by CJHutch on Nov 18, 2010 12:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Won without Vick?
Maybe, but then again, the first game in a lot of ways was won by the Redskins because Philly was “without Vick”.
Vick is playing out of his mind, and notice the 5 loses by the Redskins
Schaub, Bradford, Manning, Stafford and Vick Some of the top playing QBs in the league.
the problem wasn't just Vick
The fact that our 3 interior OL get pushed around like rag dolls is a huge problem. Now every team knows they can consistently collapse the pocket from the inside which leaving McNabb scrambling (and sucking).
Well, if he wasn't the problem
he sure as hell had a lot to do with it. During that 28 point run, did you at any point feel like they could have been stopped? Logically, we all know that Rak, Fletch and LL could have sacked him or stopped him, or slowed him down at any point, but what they did really shocked my senses to the point where I seriously thought that we had no chance at keeping the score under 70.
While the line looked p-thetic, I had more confidence in at least making a THIRD EFFING DOWN AT SOME POINT than stopping their barrage.
But finally, the only damage the offense did in terms of not stopping Vick was their inability to get ONE EFFING THIRD DOWN, which kept our D out there way too long without being able to contemplate any meaningful adjustments. But then again, we’re talking the first quarter. This is when these guys should be able to go the majority of 15 minutes without getting overly gassed.
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
one of many problems, not the only problem
Vick didn’t prevent the Redskins offense from getting a first down for the first 10 minutes of the game. What was it, 5 three and outs in a row?
Free Agency
We need to start doing free agency right and by that I mean signing guys without trading away draft picks. You’re right that we don’t have enough draft picks to fill all of the holes but we can’t fix that shortage by trading away draft picks.
No more FA signings for draft picks!

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