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An indictment of the 2010 Redskins after the Monday Massacre by a lifelong fan

Redskins losses are always difficult to stomach in a town as football-crazed as DC. NFC East losses are even worse -- you hear it from your family, your co-workers, your other East Coast (or Texas) friends. I know how it is -- you can't watch Sportscenter the next day. You can't look at your Facebook because all the statuses seem to be from depressed 'Skins fans or hatemongering Cowboys fans. But we live through losses, we suck it up and support our team the following week. 

Losses are tough, occasionally heartbreaking. Blowouts are worse. 

However, unprofessional, pathetic, nationally-televised embarrassments in the biggest game of the season are intolerable. 

The Redskins had fifteen days to prepare for Monday's game, after losing to a Lions team that just lost to winless Buffalo. Mike Shanahan had fifteen days to scout that Eagles offense, to design plays according to their $78-million-dollar man's skill set against his former squad, whom they had beaten weeks previously on the road. Jim Haslett had 15 days to watch the tape for a game he had already prepared us for once. 

But our team that, with one big win, would be essentially in control of its own destiny in a division that's up for grabs, might as well have stayed home last night. This team continues to embarrass a loyal fanbase that, if the overcompensated and underperforming organization is not careful, is going to continue to dissolve.

You know the story, I don't need to rehash it. Michael Vick threw for 45 touchdowns and ran for 10 more -- something like that. He beat us with the deep ball, gimmicky play-calls, quick out passes and his legs -- surprise, surprise, right?! (Maybe someone should tell Jim Haslett that the Titans have Chris Johnson and are likely to run the ball once or twice.) Our offense went three and out when it absolutely needed first downs in the first quarter. Our special teams didn't have one big play, with the exception of Lorenzo Alexander's big hit. 

The Redskins coaches and players should be embarrassed, not us. But this city has worn a football albatross for too long, and if we learned one thing from last night, it is this:

There is a culture of big-money, overrated, underperforming pieces in Washington that cares more about making a living than playing pro football. There is a losing culture in Washington, despite the positive influence of a few character guys. It's time that Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen grab the cajones to jettison the players who are holding this team back. And I plan on calling them out after the jump.

Star-divide

I'd like to make two points here to shock us back to reality.

First, an entirely too long rant about the dreadful quality of the Redskins roster. Second, a fire-breathing rant about how terrible Jim Haslett is. 

Okay, part 1. There are a few kinds of players on the Redskins roster. 

1) The irreplaceable. Yes, even a team that laid out the biggest stinker of the 2010 season at home on MNF has a few of them. Some are among the best in the league: LaRon Landry (who played his worst game of the season by far last night, coincidentally), Brian Orakpo, London Fletcher, and Chris Cooley are truly great football players. Trent Williams is on his way. DeAngelo Hall? Borderline -- the guy can't really cover but he's a gamebreaker. Put him on a great defense and he's a beast. Not irreplaceable, to me. Seems a little like Gilbert Arenas or Andray Blatche -- a player that helps you win, but never the kind of player you'd see on the Celtics or Lakers (or in our case, the Patriots or Steelers).

Total: 5.

2) The good ones. Good players, NFL starters, but not elites. For instance, Santana Moss ain't what he used to be, but I hope dearly he retires a Redskin.

Donovan McNabb, if for no other reason than his leadership ability, belongs in this category. Though he isn't helping his case lately.

I'd probably put Hall here, but I'll definitely put Carlos Rogers (who was not the victim of any of the bombs last night and is easily better than Hall in coverage) and Andre Carter here -- guys who are real team players and good players in the NFL. 

(By the way, the all-knowing Mr. Haslett seems to think Andre doesn't fit in the defense despite him having a career year last year and him being our most consistent pass rusher aside from Orakpo. More on the leader of the NFL's worst defense in a few paragraphs.)

I'll accept arguments for Mike Sellers here. 

Who else do you put in there? (Don't say 92 until you read on.) 

Total: 4-5 -- ~ 11 total (!)

3) The upper-middle-class, solid guys: Guys like Brandon Banks, Anthony Armstrong, Phillip Daniels, Rocky McIntosh, Kedric Golston, Lorenzo Alexander -- you want to hold on to them as well. All those guys bust their butts, stay out of trouble and make plays. Who else can you really say does an above-average job on this football team? None of those guys will be a pro bowler anytime soon (Alexander maybe at special teams), but they're the kind of guys you want to have filling out your roster. 

Total: 6 -- 17 total... out of 53 players, we'd be happy keeping 17 of them. That's IT.

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4) The slightly below-average. Exactly how it sounds: guys that should be played to play football, but not to be heavily relied upon, let alone starters. A whole team of them? That's how you get blown out by good teams.

There are a disturbing amount of players that play regularly for the Redskins that fit this description. To name more than 10 quickly: Ma'ake Kemoeatu, Artis Hicks, Adam Carriker, Kareem Moore, Reed Doughty, Casey Rabach, Vonnie Holiday, Chris Wilson, Graham Gano, all of the corners behind the starters (possibly Buchanon, definitely Westbrook, Barnes). 

Would we miss any of these guys? Really, would we? Not saying we should cut all of them -- some have had nice games -- but who among them is really a player you'd hang your hat on?

5) The garbage. There are some inexcusably terrible football players on this Redskins roster. Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams are the favorites for this category. They just aren't good enough to be playing meaningful NFL downs anymore, sorry. I've yet to see Coach's reasons for playing Kory Lichtensteiger as a starter, but he's perhaps not the only reason for the line's failings. Tough to see why he's starting over Derrick Dockery or any of the Redskins draft picks this season. Hunter Smith has been absolutely, indisputably dreadful this season. 

Those dudes suck. But those guys offend me less than the next type of garbage -- the insidious, greedy, selfish players that have defined this organization for years. 

6) The Worst Kinds of Redskins. The walking metaphors for an overindulgent, shortsighted and poorly run franchise. The Adam Archuleta's, Brandon Lloyd's (or not, right Denver?), Deion Sanders', Jeff George's.

For instance, Albert Haynesworth

You've all seen the .gif file splattered on this website from last night. The guy couldn't care less about this franchise. He couldn't care less who wins the game. He is a selfish prick who is here because he got paid $21 million to get his fat ass to Ashburn this season. He needs to be cut the second the season ends. He brings the defense down and is a metaphor for selfishness and recklessness that this team needs to shed immediately. He infects a team. Cut him tomorrow and not one team sniffing the playoffs would even come close to touching him (excepting maybe Tennessee, for obvious reasons).

Next, Fred Davis. I don't care that the guy has ability. He's been lazy since day 1, sleeping through training camp right at the outset. He doesn't know the offense well enough to make an impact despite Chris Cooley clearly not being at 100% the last few weeks. He drops a wide-open touchdown against the Eagles in Philly. He dropped two two-pointers against Detroit. He runs all the way down the field on Monday, gets caught, and despite being down 28 points, decides to celebrate like he just won an Oscar. Get him out of here immediately. Untapped talent isn't an excuse three years deep in the league. It's laziness manifesting itself. He's on the team because he was a high draft pick by a guy who couldn't run a Papa John's franchise. Give me one reason to keep him. 

Many of you will think I'm being too tough on Davis, but it's clear that guys like him have more of an impact than guys like London Fletcher on this franchise, or we wouldn't have given up 59 points last night. And you don't think that when all you have is Chris Cooley and Santana Moss to throw to, that the Shanny's wouldn't have found a way to get Davis the rock if he was worth it? Fred Davis is the Redskins' Martellius Bennett. Actually, send him to Dallas, he'd fit in perfectly. He's very "talented," just like Albert. 

For the record, the recently-canned Devin Thomas fits this description perfectly.

The rest of the guys you can include in your own subcategories (Torain, Williams and Portis certainly are worth a discussion) but my point is this:

The Redskins have maybe 17 unequivocally good players.

How many do the Ravens have? How many do the Patriots have? How many do the Steelers and Saints have? How many do the Eagles have? There's a reason all of those teams passed on all of those "mediocre" guys this offseason.

This is a huge problem. The Redskins have finally, indisputably found themselves staring at their terrible roster choices over the years. The 'Skins have had some fine top draft picks -- since Taylor, Landry, McIntosh, Rogers, Williams, Orakpo and a few others have been good -- but rarely have the Redskins found a contributer later in the draft. Take this year -- the Redskins drafted 6 players and one of them has made any impact at all. 

To be fair, Shanahan and his staff discovered, revitalized or acquired Banks, Armstrong, Alexander, Landry, Williams and McNabb. Not bad for only having one top pick in the draft. The management deserves some credit for that.

But after they pat themselves on the back for finding 6 competent professional football players, they need to completely overhaul this team. They need to carefully scout talented players who fit into categories 2 and 3, and draft them. They need to target the category one guys and get them in the draft or free agency -- only if they are young and not category 6 guys -- at whatever Mr. Snyder is willing to throw at them. 

The Redskins are a bad coach away -- maybe a holding call way-- from being the same team as the Cowboys this season. Some talent, some hype, some swagger -- no results.

But maybe that day is coming. Because the Redskins do have one really terrible coach. 

Jim Haslett. 

We heard the excuses at the beginning of the season -- they ranged from a new system, to the fact that we were playing a bunch of good offenses, to the fact that we didn't have the personnel to execute the system. 

However, there is no excuse for a defense with some of the best players in the league being dead last in the rankings. None. 

Fletcher, Landry and Orakpo could start and excel on any NFL team, including potentially this year's NFC Pro Bowl team. Andre Carter is a prototype speed defensive end for a team that can't get any pass rush. Carlos Rogers, DHall and Landry is a murderous secondary. 

But Michael Vick (and really, Andy Reid, he deserves many accolades) picked apart every single weakness on the defense with ease. Lazy tackling? Yup. Soft zone coverage that gives up yards on the sidelines? Yup. The deep ball? I think Jeremy Maclin is still running from last night. A non-existent pass rush in non-blitzing situations? Vick had enough time to individually roast each member of the Redskins coaching staff each time he dropped back to pass. 

Jim Haslett has, by any measurement, failed as the defensive coordinator in Washington. I understand the reasons for the 3-4. I understand the reasons for the "amoeba" defense, which now has gotten torched by both Manning and Vick. But THEY DON'T WORK HERE. Give your players a chance to succeed! Let Hall play man coverage on deep passes, don't make LaRon play DeSean Jackson one-on-one -- have Landry BLITZ or play tight ends! Don't make London Fletcher take on a guard -- get four linemen up there so Fletcher can go out and hit people! Don't make Lorenzo Alexander have to try and tackle Mike Vick one-on-one -- get a passrush in there and have your speedy ends/linebackers (Orakpo/Carter/Wilson) flush him out! 

The answers are stunningly simple. Watch tape of last year -- that defense wasn't great, but it certainly was the better unit on the team. Even with a terrible offense that converts third downs like Shaq converts freethrows, the offense is the more statistically effective unit at this point. (Really, we're not 32nd in offense too somehow.)

Look, the 3-4 works in theory -- watch Pittsburgh play -- but it doesn't work here yet. Cut your damn losses! If it's a passing down, have Carter on the field, not Kemoeatu and Carriker. If you play coverage, don't play zone so soft that receivers can run freely. If you spy on Mike Vick, do it with Landry, not 290 pound Lorenzo Alexander!

Jim Haslett is an abomination. The Redskins defense went from above average to the worst in the league in one off-season where they lost no significant players. That is inexcusable. He needs to go -- or his scheme from this year needs to go -- after this season, because the Redskins have the personnel to run a 4-3 effectively. They absolutely do. And they have too many holes on offense to remake the entire defense in Haslett's image. An adjustment is needed, especially when every season "The Future is Now."

But the future is never with this franchise. The past is all we've got these days. For many readers, the best memory they have with this team is beating Tampa Bay in the playoffs in 2006. Yeah. 

Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen, Redskins -- beware. The brand name is disappearing. The fanbase is going from one of the best in all sports to dispassionate -- FedEx was laughably empty last night.

The Redskins aren't a good team. They haven't been for almost 20 years. 

They have no one to blame but themselves. 

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I didn't watch the game.

It started too late and (since we don’t have a TV yet) I didn’t want to walk along a dark road to watch it at a nearby hotel. I’m glad I didn’t.

But I will say this: I laughed when I saw the score and Vick’s line. It wasn’t the humorous, har har chuckle, but the kind of laugh that—more often than not—eventually disolves into desperate weeping.

Question: Woody, what happened to the ball movement? Answer: I think our defense was pretty solid tonight. We held them to under 200 points so we did our job on that end.

by JohnWebb on Nov 17, 2010 3:31 AM EST reply actions  

I really can't argue. I've been following the team since I was seven.

And I can’t shake the feeling that maybe no real lessons have been learned. Just a general feeling, I’m not cashing out…butthe taunting is so difficult to take. I never thought I would be that ashamed of my hometown team.

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 17, 2010 7:39 AM EST reply actions  

My new strategy for watching games

I’m going with the attitude that this team is a sit-com – “Those darn Redskins”….. Every time that #5 makes that frustrated smirk, I’ll insert a laugh track and cheesy 70’s style “wonk wonk wonk” music in my head. CP will be that weird brother of McNabb that dresses up funny, Cooley will be like Ralph from Happy Days. AH will be the “Big Worm” character, just without the guns and weed. Danny Snyder would be Danny Devito’s character from Taxi. Not sure who Shanny could be since he’s not even remotely funny.

Think about it – if you went into Monday’s game expecting a sit com, you’d have been quite pleased. That laugh track would have been non stop!

what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by gopens44 on Nov 17, 2010 8:14 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Pretty much spot on, MMFORD10

sorry to say. We left just before halftime and the traffic jam was about 3/4s that of the normal end of game jam. Absolutely the worst Redskins experience (game attendance) of my life.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 17, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

I went to a bar in Sherman Oaks

And they were having a benefit for ALS sponsored by Ronnie Lott. Yeah, we were being laughed at. Dwight Hicks came and talked to us for a while. He was the nicest guy ever, and I got to rub the 1983 NFC championship a little. Man it was a brutal night. Snickering laughs when we scored, and of course everyone there was an eagles fan.

by brettpedigo on Nov 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you've got some players mislabeled

Since when is Carlos one of the “good ones”? Hands of stone don’t make a good defensive back. Good defensive backs intercept the ball on occasion andd give the offense better field position. When was the last time he did that? Hall practically leads the league in interceptions but can’t cover an average receiver. Chris Wilson is on your “slightly below average” list but later

get a passrush in there and have your speedy ends/linebackers (Orakpo/Carter/Wilson) flush him out!
So what is he?
I have to agree with the choice of Haslett having to go. You can’t continue to try to put square pegs in round holes when the obvious is smacking you in the face but that’s on Shanahan too since he’s the head honcho and not telling him to change a damn thing. We’ve gone from Top 10 to Bottom of the Barrel in one season defensively.
And I’ll add that all the offensive line changes haven’t made a bit of difference over last year either. At least last year we had the “luxury” of having guys injured and shifted around like chessmen, bringing guys in off the street practically to play but this year most of the OL has been the same from week to week…. intact and awful. Other than Williams I haven’t seen a single OL guy do his job. It ain’t gonna get better in a hurry. There are too many holes to fill and not enough draft choices to fill them. This team is going to do what it’s done for years…bring other team’s rejects hoping to find a gem in the bunch.

by DudleyDoright on Nov 17, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

Dead on accurate on all points

I can’t argue with this at all.

Another first for this team. (There were a few firsts/records Monday night – none positive)

It was the first time this 30 year fan ever dozed off on the couch early in the 4th quarter watching. Yeah, you’re asking why didn’t I just change the channel, or go to bed?

Misplaced loyalty in this team I suppose.

2 things that need to happen right away here. Fire Haslett, and send Fat Albert packing with him. The play where Vick had 7 seconds in the pocket and Fat Albert was caught laying there watching should have been the last straw.

by DCobra on Nov 17, 2010 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

very accurate but with 1 ommission

the offense sucks and Kyle Shanahan is the OC – he needs to go too.

AH can’ even stay in shape to play 20-25 snaps a game? Ridiculous!

Davis: good bye – we don’t keep guys on potential alone – they have to show something and that goes for all the WRs too.

by aFan4Life on Nov 17, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Very well written

besides one or two players I think you were almost dead on with the categories.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Nov 17, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

This roster is worse than many people think it is

And no, it’s not 100% Vinny’s fault.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

Its 61% Vinny's fault

Once again, can someone please show me a list of guys you would of picked up in your first offseason last year? FA sucked this past year…

by Parks Smith on Nov 17, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Shanahan's made moves that haven't worked

Not sure what else to tell you.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Where's my list smuts?

I want you to take the final roster from last year and formulate a winner…

Here is the roster: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2009_roster.htm
Here is the Free Agent list: http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2010

Just please do this for me, you can join up with Skins Fan ’77 if you want. I just want to see it…

by Parks Smith on Nov 17, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said you could win this year.

In fact, failure to understand that is precisely why Shanahan’s plan isn’t working.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

So you think we were set up for failure this year b/c of Cerrato

and are passing judgment on the future based on one offseason where not much could be done.

by Parks Smith on Nov 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

where we traded three draft picks for replacement-level production?

yeah, I’m passing judgment on the moves made so far.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of football left to be played...

I still have not seen anyone take the time and try to present a better a plan of what could of happened.

by Parks Smith on Nov 17, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I have presented an alternate plan for 2010 & beyond, you just don't agree with it

big difference.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats not true at all, I haven't disagreed with it at all...

I just want to see your 2010 Roster if you had things your way.

by Parks Smith on Nov 17, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have a 2nd round offensive lineman prospect, all my 2011 draft picks

and a shitty veteran QB care-taking my mediocre/bad team while I rebuilt the OL.

I’d also be running a 4-3 defense and thus not be desperate for a DT and maybe a DE or two.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

All of Allen’s/Shanahan’s moves are based on winning now which isn’t going to happen because we’ve got too many holes – and that’s assuming he didn’t ruin the defense by switching schemes. Starting with the 2009 roster we needed 5 OL, 1 or 2 WR, at least 1 RB (CP won’t last forever) and a FB who really will block. Plus the defense really needed a FS.

by aFan4Life on Nov 18, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

So lets look at what they did...
  • He drafted 3 o-linemen
  • Signed 2 others that have started
  • Drafted a WR
  • Signed another WR that has contributed greatly
  • Signed two RBs that have contributed a lot
  • Out back up TE looked pretty good Monday in one of his first opportunities
  • Everyone thought Kareem Moore was going to be a stud.

So he did what you wanted him to do. Draft picks take time and once again the cupboard was totally bare and Free Agency really sucked.

by Parks Smith on Nov 18, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

  • Our back up FB looked pretty good Monday in one of his first opportunities

by Parks Smith on Nov 18, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, his mid-level cheap free agents have been good moves

it’s the bigger moves that are my problem.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 18, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

you forgot

he traded away 2 lower/better draft picks for an old 2 year rental QB.

Plus he signed old man Galloway instead of young WR.

And he signed 2 totally washed up RB’s who proved to be worse than unsigned FA’s.

That’s the win now attitude.

by aFan4Life on Nov 18, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

we should have just kept Campbell for one more year

Under the circumstances he is certainly serviceable(if not completely able to get it done. We’ll see in oakland with these last 7 games… This way we’d have been able to draft another OL in the 2010 draft. And have another pick next year. Thats really the only thing we should have changed. Perhaps we should have gotten rid of Fat Al too no matter what we had to take. he really is a lazy cancer. get him out now for any draft picks we can pick up!

by RememberSean21 on Nov 18, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with him

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 17, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well dammit! That wasn't clear at all...

I’m with Smutsboy on this one

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 17, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

there was not much in free agency. im with you. they still cant draft for shit and they give away most of their picks leaving us with an old team patched up with band aids.

the best teams…the teams that are stringing together multiple superbowls do the exact opposite 90% of the time. i think new england, which is a top 3 team this year, has two picks in nearly every round. and they traded away randy moss for a third rounder mid season!

we traded our qb for a late rounder (5th) in 2052 and replace him with a qb that has not performed all that much better and give up a 2nd and 4th rounder and pay him 3.5 million for the right to cut him next year…which we had for free!

by les boulez bomber on Nov 17, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldnt have minded LT or Thomas Jones over LJ and willie and parker, other than that yeah there wasnt much to pick from so at this point a lot of the blame still goes to vin.

it kills me everytime i see the other nfc easts teams young recievers knowing we picked the only two stinkers

428 brothers

by BrandonLloyd on Nov 17, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Right, not enough talent

Shanahan has steadfastly refused to upgrade his offensive line and wide receivers, as virtually everybody on HH has begged him to do. It was and is so obvious. Lichtensteiger, Heyer, Galloway – what the heck? I have speculated that it was money – Snyder put Allen on a tight budget – but now think it was and is all Shanahan. Meanwhile, he demanded the disastrous shift to the 3-4, which, again, everybody on HH said could not work, because we didn’t have the necessary players. That shift ruined Haynesworth and Carter, and was done without a solid nose tackle. I blame Shanahan more than Haslett for the collapse of the defense – Jim is just trying to make it work, trying many hybrids and variations, most of which the players don’t understand, and some of which are just plain don’t work. The plain fact is, we’re not good enough, just not enough talent, and it can’t be fixed quickly. In that context, it’s better to keep McNabb, because we can’t afford to use draft picks on a QB – we need O-line, WRs and RBs. And please Mike, forget this idiotic 3-4 defense, let Jim do a normal, but aggressive, 4-3.

by Donnio1234 on Nov 17, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

+1000

the 3-4 needs to go because we don’t have enough draft picks to rebuild the offense and the defense.

by aFan4Life on Nov 17, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Couldn't agree more

I’ll always be a Skins fan, but my level of enthusiasm and support is going waaaay down. All I could find myself thinking Monday night was “are the Caps on tonight?” Skins will always have a fan base, but why pay and support this garbage, we can only take so much abuse and humiliation. A lot of Skins fans will bring their enthusiasm to OV and the CAP’s, a properly run franchise.

by Jedi Mind Kicks on Nov 17, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

And we get to watch the Caps

at least until March. Hopefully, this year way into Spring!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 17, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

You’ll likely be watching them until late May at the very least. They’re nasty.

what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by gopens44 on Nov 17, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

you continue to shock me pens

what’s the prognosis on Staal btw?

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Nov 17, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

jan 1st is his tenative return date but i think it will be sooner than that

he’s already back to skating with his team… (i’ve got him on my fantasy IR spot right now)

by skinsfan28 on Nov 17, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If any hockey fan can’t admit that the Caps are nasty, they’re an idiot.

The only teams in the east that scare me are the Caps and possibly the Rangers since they’ve found solid scoring on three lines now. If King Henry stays healthy, they’ll be there in May as well.

Skinsfan28 posted the latest Staalsy update, but I’d expect to see him closer to mid December IMO.

what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by gopens44 on Nov 17, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Philly & Boston are for real, IMO

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Boston has been getting...

retarded goaltending from Thomas – no way they can keep giving up that many shots and still win.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think they're still built pretty well

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Pffft...

take Herman Munster off the back line and they are strictly average. Thomas is a hell of a goalie, but he’s facing a lot of shots this year, and they don’t score like the Caps to make up for it.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good point. Either that or he will literally explode in anger one night. The carnage will traumatize the entire Rangers team, except for Avery, who would just make a tremendously off color joke about it.

what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by gopens44 on Nov 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Before cheap shotting...

someone else and then dropping the gloves 3 seconds early and attacking like the little half-human he is.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Please don’t get me started on the “Avery is a useless little bitch” tirade that I was on before the Monday Massacre.

what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by gopens44 on Nov 17, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This...

to me, is the biggest problem with the NHL. The game is great in person and is excellent in HD broadcasts. The partnership with Reebok for the new jerseys has made the league a lot more marketable and fashionable. The NHL series of video games are the highest-reviewed sports sims on the market. It attracts women, while still being violent.

But this – the goons, the wanna-be goons, the guys that exist solely to fight and stir shit up (don’t get me started on Avery’s “abilities” he sucks 98% of the time he’s on the ice), this is what ruins the game. Every time pricks like Avery start a fracas to overcompensate for whatever they lack as a human being – this destroys it.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

They're being phased out somewhat

And I think it will continue.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Much to the chagrin of Don Cherry.

I don’t half wonder if Canada would boycott hockey completely if the NHL actually took serious disciplinary action against players for fighting. I don’t care that it’s a penalty – the league tacitly condones fighting and it pisses me off to no end.

I enjoy physical competition. Basketball is a physical sport that involves a lot of unpadded contact if played the right way – no fighting. Football is a sport where the object is to launch oneself as a projectile (heavily padded/weaponed) dart in order to bring another man to the ground – no fighting.
Why does hockey have to be the sport where we stop every so often to watch to big guys go at it just to justify their place on the roster?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It's dumb, outdated and just plain boring

Most fights aren’t interesting, and it just wastes 10 minutes.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think all of us are feeling the same way.

The worst part is that some of us thought that this season would bring some improvement, but as of late, it doesn’t look like it. Personally, I thought we would still suck, but with the promising record mid-season, things seemed to be looking up. Well, I guess not. Let’s get through this year and see where we stand. I’m going with the approach to take it one game at a time and if by the end of the season we’re 4-12, I’ll wallow in self-pity and gorge myself on ice cream like they do when a relationship ends in those cliched romantic comedies.

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 17, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Players and patience.

First LaRon Landry is great at what he does when that’s all he has to do. He’d be better off being a linebacker than a safety, he specializes in big hits and can make a play on the ball if he’s not the only guy covering. That’s cause If he’s the only guy covering the receiver is either open or landry’s looking to hit him rather than defend the ball. He’s also just as likely to crush his own teammate.

On free agency: I hate hearing people hate on players like Armstrong and Tourain while saying we need to pick up a player like LT and or Moss. Armstrong and Tourain are undrafted, cheap players who are performing above their paychecks. Just because you’ve never heard of them does not make them bums. On the contrary, when we pick up a free agent like Moss or LT (Archuleta, Lloyd, Sanders, Smith, Haynesworth) they unequivicably underperform and destroy the locker room. If we build anything from free agency it needs to be cheap pieces from less skill positions, like WR depth and RB, and pick youth over experience, especially if said experience is over 30. Do not build the offensive line from free agency. For the OLine to work these players need to be together as a unit. Draft these players to ensure that they stay together for as long as possible.

There are only two reasons to pick top level players in free agency: one is if you are one piece away. By all means if you have everything else set, get that final play maker you know can make it happen. The second reason is if your scouting team is so bad that they can’t tell you if a college player will make it in the big show. Is that the problem we have here? Our scouts are just God awful? Based on how our recent draft classes have panned out I wouldn’t be surprised. But who’s to blame? Cerrato or his advisors?

Finally, I’m done believing anything that comes out of a sports figure’s mouth. Everyone is spinning. Shanny lies, McNabb lies, everyone lies. The only thing that press conferences do is give Sports radio something to talk about in between games. No one says anything substantial. There was no plan to win now. If it happened, Shanny would be a hero. When it doesn’t, he’s no goat…this year at least. We’ll see what happens next year: another key piece on the O-Line (left guard and/or Center hopefully), a gem wide receiver maybe, another undrafted RB star? This year is a wash, if we win another game I would still consider this season just another season. We’ll see next year if McNabb grows into this position and if Haynesworth sticks around and grows up.

Just cling to the future.

Suspend Colin Campbell!

by snowburnt on Nov 17, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

well said

I’m so tired of the “win now” Free Agency madness that doesn’t work.

by aFan4Life on Nov 17, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent post

The only thing I will say is that, even though there are some players worth keeping, who should REALLY be safe? We can’t keep trying to plug holes with old ass free agents, and NEED to start stock piling some draft picks ASAP. If we can get a butt load from trading a few of our good players, I say do it. After a disgusting performance like that, I question every single last one of those players hearts, and could care the fuck less who stays and goes. I feel like a battered wife watching and cheering this team my whole life, through good times and bad, and then this. Fuck ‘em. Cut them all, trade them all, fire the staff, don’t matter. Until someone comes in that values draft pics over dinosurs, this will continue to happen.

by tony420 on Nov 17, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

I gotta agree with you on almost all these points...

I wish I could be a fly on the wall at the end of the season when Shanny, Allen, and company sit down and have this meeting. Besides from maybe a couple players I agree with your assessments.

I really don’t understand why people thought coming into the season that we could be a playoff team. Look at the offense we have trotted out the past couple weeks. Keiland Williams as our starting RB, an undrafted rookie. Anthony Armstrong starting at WR, a kid who is a 27 year old rookie and had basically never played in the nfl. Artis Hicks, a career long backup who is supposed to be our every week starter. Kory Licht, a guy who was out of the league last year and had never started a game. An aging casey rabach who clearly is a backup at this point in his career. And then our tackles, TW is a rookie, and Jamal Brown is still recovering from an injury where he was out of football last year. Not to mention a new qb, new scheme, new everything.

It is maddening that our D is getting worked over like this when there is legitimate talent on that side of the ball. Landry, Rak, Fletch, McIntosh, Hall, and Rogers are all legitimate starters in this league with at least 2 of them possibly getting pro bowl consideration. Haynesworth needs to get traded obviously, i’ll take anything at this point. Lorenzo Alexander is one of my favorites but he can’t be our every snap starter at OLB, love him on special teams and as a rotational guy but not an every down starter. Kareem Moore has been big dissapointment at FS, I can’t see him as being anything more than a rotational player as well. Our D Line is clearly awful which sucks b/c if we are going to keep the 3-4 our first round pick should be on a NT when ideally we should be focusing on OLine. I am not completely ready to say Haslett needs to go, I want to see how his D responds over these next few weeks.

On the bright side at least we all know we are not going to the playoffs and McNabb ain’t going to the pro bowl, which means philly now gets a 4th rd pick instead of our 3rd, and the saint will get our 3rd from the Jamal Brown trade but now they have to send us a 5th rounder back.

The holes on this team are obvious so it really should not be too difficult to set up a plan of attack in the off season. I completely agree with keeping those 17 guys in your first 3 categories (minus phillip daniels, he needs to retire and we need to trade carter if we are sticking 3-4) and clearly we will not be able to cut the rest of the team because we need bodies.

I would trade almost anyone we can get any value for. Andre carter for a 5th or 6th round pick, Haynesworth for a 3rd or 4th rd pick, Fred Davis for a 5th rd pick and use all those picks on O and D line depth.

I would also target at least 3 impact free agents at WR, OL, and LB
WR: Vincent Jackson, Sidney Rice, Steve Breaston, Steve Smith (giants)
Ideal: VJ or Sid Rice. I really think VJ is going to be a redskin. Shanny loves him and him and McNabb are boys. I think he’s exactly what we need at WR.

OL: Logan Mankins. Is pissed at NE management and wants out, HUGE upgrade at LG and makes our left side extremely strong.

LB: Lamar Woodley. Brings a mean presence to our LB corps and is the perfect compliment on the opposite side of RAK, would be an enormous boost for the D.

Vincent Jackson and Mankins are very realistic possibilities and I think VJ is definitely looking at coming here. Woodley might be a stretch but I would at least make a run at it. The rest of the roster should be filled out thru the draft and we should keep guys like Licht, Hicks, Carriker, Kemo, Henson, Doughty, Riley around for depth. But none of them should be starting.

In the draft ideally we would be able to trade down from out pick and get a couple 2nd rounders from a team who has multiple picks in the first 3 rds, much like we did when we drafted Thomas, Davis, Kelly (BAHAHAHA). I would go NT, C/G, RB or G. Then I would use the remainder of the picks on a WR, and O/D Linemen. After next year is when I would draft the QB to begin grooming under mcnabb. I would love to pick up Demarco Murray at the end of the 2nd rd to be our RB to go along with Torain, he’s the perfect compliment to Torain and would excel in the zone blocking, plus he’s a phenomenal pass catcher, he would be a serious game breaker for us.

by jeffco01 on Nov 17, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

I thought we'd compete for the playoffs

going 9-7 isn’t that hard in today’s NFL.

Unless your OL sucks and your defensive system is broken, I guess.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 17, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree...

but the fact is that we’ve now got three NFC losses and there is a bunch of teams in the wild card chase as of today.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

the worst of it

is that the Eagles really exposed our weaknesses – do you think all of the opposing teams are going to watch that film? Yeah, over and over and over….

Pressuring our QB (regardless of who it is) right up the middle is too easy and makes Kyle Shanahan’s offense break down. One of the comments made over the weekend was that the passing progression in Kyle’s offense was long pass, medium pass then short pass and there’s no way our OL can provide the pass protection for that. Kyle needs to go back to the original 49ers pass progression of short > medium > long.

by aFan4Life on Nov 18, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

this is the best football post i have ever read!!! the content sucks bec i am a skins fan…but it is the cold hard truth. we still suck and once again, it starts at the top. i am happy they have added character and discipline against knucklehead behavior. but good coaches play to the strength of the players they have on hand. and good GMs get better talent and address their biggest weaknesses. by that measure, i feel both coaching and management have failed. we picked up one quality starter this offseason and one kick returner. a half a point for armstrong.

by les boulez bomber on Nov 17, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Total Agreement!!! EXCEPT for Haslett

Excellent analysis on our personnel. There has been WAY TOO MUCH bullshi* rah-rah’ing of players like Devin Thomas, Roydell Williams, Reed Doughty, and Chris Wilson.

Haslett totally muffed the MNF game, but Blache sucked balls. We never generated pressure or turnovers (related variables). The defense under Blache in terms of what it generated aside from an astringent, sterile high statistical ranking was absolutely nil. If you think that DeAngelo Hall can play man-to-man with DeSean Jackson, all I can say is WRONG. Yeah Landry’s weak in coverage but give him help, don’t use him predominantly to blitz especially against QBs that can easily juke him like Vick. The 3-4 doesn’t work purely in theory, it can work here, but I totally agree we don’t have the right personnel here. We need the right people — eg to DRAFT good players up and down, not just get hard-ons for ne’er-will be lazy sacks that get cash then shi* the bed by generating jack for us in terms of on-field production like Malcom Kelly, Devin Thomas, and endless nameless worthless other players.

Jim Haslett’s not why we’re not what we SHOULD be. Want to know why we are the way we are? Look at our draft (and this mmford10’s excellent and justifiably scathing indictment of our woefully subpar personnel) and compare it to the franchise teams like the Patriots, Steelers, and Colts:

Robert McCune, Dallas Sartz, H.B. Blades, Jordan Palmer, Tyler Ecker, Justin Tryon, Durant Brooks, Chris Horton, Kevin Barnes, Cody Glenn, Eddie Williams, Marko Mitchell, Dennis Morris.

Names like this should be burned into our minds as reminders of what we need to do to change. Not just fetishize whomever we inherit or get at the top, but top-to-bottom pinpoint accurate excellent (and settle for no less) DRAFTING!

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 17, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Nice rant. I think most of us feel the way you do. This team continually finds ways to embarass its fans. My wife asked me why I don’t just like a good team. If it were only that easy. Watching Haynesworth lay down like the fat sack of shit that he is says it all. He needs to be cut now.

Seeing the young, fast team in Philly makes me sick to my stomach. Not only do we suck but we’re old too. I think we may be the worst team in football outside of Carolina.

by Ram1964 on Nov 17, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

man......

After reading this post I laughed my ass off, then I cried. I was there and I stayed to the end. We were running in slow motion the whole game. I know it’s only season one, but hopefully we’ll see some meaningful changes next year.

by SylvesterofRio on Nov 17, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Slow Clap

Could not agree more about Davis, who is an argument I have with the rest of the bar every week. Spot on with the rest.

by Old King Clancy on Nov 17, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

I actually thought you guys had one of the more underrated defenses in the NFL last year. I don’t get the transition to the 3-4, at least not at the point they decided to do it. It would make much more sense if you guys had a great offense and a bad defense but that just wasn’t the case at all last year.

Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"

by Ed Van Chimp on Nov 17, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Shanahan like 34 defense-Shanahan Pound 43 defense personnel into 34 defense whole

Like 600 pound, arrogant, highland gorilla. Shanahan then find someone to run 34 defense. If this man no good, no problem-him named scapegoat.
Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 17, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

Was that the voice recognition going crazy again?

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 17, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Great AH video on the front of Yahoo right now.

Shows him giving up on that Vick TD pass (how’s that for vague). I don’t care if we are down by 75, you’d better get your ass up and keep moving! I hate to continue playing the money card, but DAMN, for that kind of money I expect you to follow the Eagles bus back to Philly and tackle Vick when he steps off the bus!

what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by gopens44 on Nov 17, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

Excellent Analysis

BINGO! Great post. I totally agree on Haslett. He has to be gone by next season. His scheme doesn’t work and we’ve all known that from game one. Please Danny boy, put him on the same plane out of Dulles with Haynesworth and wave bye-bye for us.

"Don’t put your beer in the microwave, eh. It’ll boil."-Bob McKenzie

by ExPatCapFan on Nov 17, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

While am a die-hard Redskin fan, this has been one of our wors seasons as far as I can remember. Everything hasn’t been going right straight from the playesr to the coaches. I really do not know whether this is a sign of a dying team.

Michael Jordan Says He Could've Scored 100 Points

by lewiscoverdale on Nov 17, 2010 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

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