Shanahan coaches the Redskins to a loss, wait…was it Shanahan making the calls or is Jim Zorn back?
If you told me the redskins went for it on 4th and 1 with 2 timeouts left and 2:08 on the clock I'd say Jim Zorn is crazy! Guess what guys, not JZ calling that horrible play, it was our "savior" of the season, Shanahan. Scratching of the head became a regular thing while watching today's game, I really expected the skins to go out and compete and they dud until Torain went down. Well, let me back up a bit….there was no protection up front at all throughout the entire game. Rabach has got to get himself together, he was backed up on what seemed like every play with two leading to McNabb tripping and loss of downs and yards. Heyer showed why he can't be trusted, having Brown not a 100% really killed us today. Vandan Bosche went to town on us today, he attacked the line and caused ruckus. The rookie, Suh showed up to play recording 2 sacks and recovering the ball and running it back for a TD sealing the game. Calvin Johnson and Stafford connected on three touchdowns as though they hadn't missed any time apart. It seems as though all the the lions playmakers showed up and made an impact in the game something I can't really say for the redskins.
It didn't start well for the skins, they never really got anything going. The biggest blow was losing Torain, the offense was already struggling but having to put a rookie in during a game is always a scary thing. The lions attacked the rookie immediately and he proved to not be the greatest in pass protection. Losing Torain made the struggling redskins a one dimensional team, the lions had their number from that point on. McNabb made a couple big plays especially the big run which led to a TD but it just wasn't enough. Brandon Banks even cashed in today with a 96 yard kickoff return for a TD sparking the offense hopefully taking the momentum and running with it. Unfortunately, the lions took that momentum and never looked back.
Just when the game seemed out of hand, Shanahan makes one of the biggest head scratching moves by taking McNabb out with two minutes left in the game to put in Grossman. He said after the game that it was Grossman's knowledge of the two minute offense that led him to make the call but it just doesn't make sense! Sure Grossman has knowledge of the offense and the two minute drill but the extent of his knowledge so far has been on the practice field. Although McNabb didn't have a great game, I blame this more on the offensive line never giving him the opportunity to ever do anything whatsoever. For McNabb to get benched because of someone else's mistakes and lack of play is absurd, and to bench him for a guy that quickly proved to not be any type of improvement over McNabb is just a joke.
Shanahan lost a lot of credibility today by making Jim Zorn moves by going for it with 2:08 left on the clock in the 4th quarter but the most confusing of them all was benching McNabb. It seems as though Shanahan was watching too much tv last year when he was sitting on his couch, he saw Reid bench McNabb and thought….hey, it might work here. The difference is that we don't have a good backup quarterback that you can really depend on. Grossman going in the game didn't scare the lions, if anything it scared redskins fans across the world thinking we had gotten rid of bozo the clown aka Jim Zorn but I guess he just came back dressed as Shanahan, It is Halloween. After the game Shanahan announced McNabb would be the starting QB though I think the damage has been done.
If the redskins had any reputation going for them was that they were on a different path led by a legitimate leader that's had a reputation of being an offensive genius…after today's game I might compare him to a confused Wade Phillips running up and down the field scratching his head not having a clue of his surroundings. The redskins might again be more of a laugh to other teams, it seems as though this club shy'd away from players in the offseason that were going stir up drama in the locker room yet the skins had plenty of that. Now to add to their mess is a coach making bonehead decisions leaving everyone with a sick feeling in their stomaches. If the redskins were a legitimate good team they would've gone into detroit and beat them, maybe they would've struggled at some point but they should've found a way to come out with a win. The complete opposite unfolded today, the redskins lost their second running back this season and then went on to show that the solid leadership that was once there is now a struggling one.
I'm aware that Shanahan got to where he is today on more than two decisions throughout his career whether they were good or bad. Redskin fans can't lose complete hope but the once security that was there in the head coach might've been lost today. Although the players had a huge part in today'd debacle, I blame the coaching squad for most of it by making joke decisions. One positive thing is that the bye is here, the players can begin their healing process, take their minds off the game for a couple of days and start all over next week knowing a hungry eagles team is coming to D.C. and they're on a mission to get the skins back for the loss earlier in the year.
The skins are 4-4… .500, had you told me that was going to be our record after 8 weeks a couple of months I would've said you were crazy but I'll take it and with that note, skins fans lets keep our hopes alive. The NFC is as it always is, competitive and with the redskins 4-4 record…there's still a lot of football left to be played. At least we're not 1-5 and our name is the Dallas Cowboys!
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McNabb and the Oline lost this game
Not Shanahan.
Donovan is a bum. End of story. It’s a shame we have to take the Eagle’s leftovers.. wait til Shanny gets a good qb… and a line. Playoff time.
Can we get a young qb? And send McNabb to the retirement home where he belongs?
"I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok. " - Shaq
by williamhudsonlink on Oct 31, 2010 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
... Shanahan was the one who wanted McNabb.
So don’t get mad at Donovan and not Shanahan. Shanahan was the genius who believed this team could contend this year but truth is this team just has way too many holes. Coaching, McNabb, Oline all have a part in this loss. It’s not just McNabb and the Oline. And everyday Shanny is proving to me that his ego is more important than the Redskins, and that bothers me to no end.
R.I.P. Sean Taylor 4/1/83 -11/27/07 ♥
Bill and Hillary...
You’ve got a “co-presidency” here. Mike and Kyle. Apparently our two headed monster decided a six time Pro Bowler and eleven year vet is too stupid to run their version of the two minute drill. They have to bring in the backup QB who hasn’t played AT ALL this year and only threw NINE passes (completing three) last year as a backup for the Texans to save the day. So yeah…we’ve got a problem deeper than a lousy offensive line. This whole team is based on trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Mike may be running the team and while everyone considers that he’ll retire in three or four years Kyle is auditioning for the job. Trouble is that audition is quite public and in today’s climate NFL also stands for “Not For Long.” I don’t see either of them being the solution necessarily. They gave up two valuable draft picks for McNabb and now they don’t want him?
by DudleyDoright on Nov 1, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
OMG, try separating your post into paragraphs so it's easier to read!
Clearly the Oline is to blame for the biggest reason why we lost.
R.I.P. Sean Taylor 4/1/83 -11/27/07 ♥
Actually there's no need for a poll.
It’s clearly BB. If not for him this game isn’t close.
R.I.P. Sean Taylor 4/1/83 -11/27/07 ♥
Voted for BB too
I thought Haynesworth and Loax both came to play too though.
Response...
WilliamsHudson-
I agree McNabb had fault but compared to other games he didn’t do that bad, he just never got the time today. The O line is getting worse and worse..there’s no excuse for Heyer…guy just stinks
Rachel216,
I’m with you on Shanahan’s ego…it’s getting out of control from the handling Haynesworth, cutting players like Marko Mitchell, Thomas, the running backs to benching McNabb. It’s just frustrating right now.
Darwin Navarrete
by Darwin Navarrete on Oct 31, 2010 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
Yup. Today's decision to bench McNabb definitely pushed me over the top.
I know he said he thought Rex had a better knowledge of the 2 minute situation but many actually believe he did it to punish him for his poor play and maybe that pick late in the game. Or maybe he did something that Shanny didn’t like so he decided to show him who’s boss. But that doesn’t even matter, the bottom line is you need to give your team the best opportunity to win and McNabb gives us a better opportunity then Rex. And if that is the reason why he benched him then I don’t want Shanny back next year. I don’t like the way he handles situations and his judgement on personnel is poor as well. Larry Johnson making the team and not Torain? Joey Galloway still on this team? Devin Thomas is not better than Roydell Williams? AH can’t play because he didn’t get back from a FUNERAL in time to practice? Derrick Dockery inactive when you can’t protect anyone? The list goes on and on. I always knew Shanny was arrogant but this is to another level. He has put his ego above the team.
And why does K. Shanny get a pass? Because he’s the son’s coach? The playcalling is questionable at times, and he needs to be held accountable too.
R.I.P. Sean Taylor 4/1/83 -11/27/07 ♥
don't forget
Shanny benching Dockery for “his guy” Lichtensneigle. I haven’t seen that guy take a step forward yet. But Shanny won’t go back to Dock, cuz then he’d have to admit he was wrong, which he won’t do.
Plus, remember how pissed we were (at least I was) when Marty was trying to mess with Darrell Green’s mechanics? Well, lil’ Shanny’s doin the same thing to McNabb – changing mechanics that have gotten him further than lil’ Shanny’s creation Matt Schaub ever will. Stupid. Egotistical and stupid.
Oh, and todays game was lost on two penalties – the Daniels offices, and the Doughty back push. An 11 point swing. Well, penalties call in the head coach, ESPECIALLY if you’re getting them in bunches.
by CJHutch on Nov 1, 2010 2:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Landry has been bringing it every week, he’s as consistent as they come. He’s bound to make it to the Pro Bowl this year, we have to vote this guy in! He’s a beast out there, that hit he laid on one of their guys, i’m sure you heard it outside that stadium. I can’t help but to remember Sean Taylor and can only imagine what those two would be doing back right now. WOW!
Darwin Navarrete
by Darwin Navarrete on Oct 31, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
Landry, Rak, and D Hall
Who’da thunk after all those years we ranked top 10 in defense, that our bottom of the barrel defense would send more guys to the pro bowl then those top 10ers ever did?
by CJHutch on Nov 1, 2010 2:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Those teams were top 10 in yardage
But couldn’t force turnovers, or get off the field on third down. Yardage is not the be-all and end-all of a defense.
Neither are turnovers...
I think I could make a compelling argument that teams that play for the big turnover often find themselves out of position and prone to getting burned. But it is still nice to see us getting the ball to bounce our way this year.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 1, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Heyer showed why he can't be trusted?
The only sack given up from his side was when two guys lined up on him and one clearly held him while the other came clean. In addition, Heyer didn’t have any penalties this game. If you have it recorded go back and watch every snap Heyer had in the game. This statement clearly can’t be justified based on the tape of this game. Feel free to give specific examples though to prove me wrong.
For some reason
When the offensive line plays bad, a lot of folks on here seem to want to attack Heyer. If anything the one you should be calling out this game should be the first round draft pick Trent Williams. He got destroyed at LT. This one can’t be pinned on Heyer.
just because the OL is better than last year doesn't mean it doesn't suck
We’ve only begun to start rebuilding the long neglected OL and until it’s fixed we won’t hold up against teams with a strong DL. At this point I’m not excited about when we play the Giants.
Agreed
Although, other than the Giants we probably won’t face any more D-lines as talented as this Lions line was.
true, those 2 DLs are very talented
and the Giants have plenty of guys to rotate so they don’t get too winded but our interior OL hasn’t looked very good in any game this year.
it won't be fixed until we start spending more than one early draft pick per year on it
unfortunately Shanahan has already traded away two of next year’s picks.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
The 2nd for McNabb and..?
We didn’t lose any picks in the Jammal Brown trade – we just traded down two rounds. Yeah, we did give up something, but not a draft pick all together.
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the 2nd for McNabb
and a 3rd/4th rounder. we did give up a pick for brown. if the eagles don’t get the 3rd rounder, they get the 4th and the saints get the 3rd and vice versa. we also traded down.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Brown
Saints get a 3rd/4th from us an we get their 5th/6th from them. So we really just traded down. We also give them a 6th next year if he plays 90% of the snaps or goes to the Pro Bowl.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/offensive-line/details-on-redskins-potential.html
So we didn’t give up a pick for him.
The Washington Wizards: providing career scoring nights for unknown opposing bench players since 2004.
McNabb
It now looks like McNabb won’t be here next year. So we spent two picks on McNabb for a one year deal. It may have been a good trade if we got McNabb for 2-4 years, but for a one year rental? Not looking so good. And Campbell put up 90+ points in the last two weeks for Oakland doesn’t make me feel much better about it either. I’d rather have a QB who has adjusted to 10 different systems (Campbell) in his career than a guy who has spent his entire career in one offensive system. I sure hope Campbell isn’t another one of our ex-QBs that goes on to success with another team. Five years we developed him and then we trade him for a 4th rounder in the prime of his career. Wow.
I have my Cambell mental block up
so I’m not going to torture myself with thoughts about him. I still don’t think he’s a great QB and that right now he’s benefitting a lot from the good running game the Raiders have going.
Response to your comments
Kurtstack,
Heyer might’ve had a better game yesterday than previous ones but when all is said and done, the guy can’t really cut it. He’s been around for 3 years now, he’s just as frustrating now as he was in the begining. The only reason this guy is still around is because the redskins really dont have anyone else…that’s desperation right there. If Brown was healthy, he’d be in not Heyer, He’s been the most furstrating, underperforming OL for a bit now.
Kurtstack,
I do think they went up against a good line but if you had told me the lions were going to cause us more problems than the colts with freeney and crew or the packers with clay matthews or the texans with mario williams i would’ve taken those teams over the lions. The lions looked like the colts pass rush, they looked like the steelers yesterday! They’re good, but we just kinda stink! Rabach decided to join the sucking group this weekend as well…not only do we have to worry about the right side next year but also the center position and we all know that’s the QB of the OL.
McNabb responses,
I agree with all, if McNabb only lasts a year here then it’ll be one of the worse moves the redskins have made in a while. This team is the oldest in the league, the redskins launched the “Are you in” campaign this off season to get us all back on the bandwagon. Who was the face of this? McNabb! #5 is Shanahan’s “guy” and yet it seems as though he’s not trusted by the man that brought him here…and to be benched for GROSSman? wow! Just like Dudleyddoright commented, the guys has only threw 9 total passes last year! are you kidding me? and this is the guy who’s supposed to come in when all has collapsed during the game and bail us out? McNabb has flaws, I’ve been one of his biggest critics thus far but I also know that he’s a top 12 QB in this league. J Campbell has been doing great these past two weeks but we had him years for a few seasons and he just didnt show us he could do it. To me its not about McNabb being the wrong guy for the job, I think he’s the only guy that could’ve brought leadership to a team that was in shambles last year and for the past few seasons at that. Though he misses easy passes, he delivers the ball making big plays…he’s just a competitor, leader that brings things to the table that Campbell couldnt bring and definatley something Grossman lacks.
How do you guys see the skins performing after the bye?
Darwin Navarrete
by Darwin Navarrete on Nov 1, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
Heyer
Spot on about Heyer – he’s not even a good backup and Rabach has been terrible. We really need a new starting C and 2 OG’s plus a couple of guys for depth. The fact that Heyer is our top OT backup shows how awful the depth is at that position.
I see them (again) playing up to good teams and down to bad teams.
The oline is only going to get worse as the season goes on but I’m hoping McNabb gets better in the second half. We have some crucial divisional games in the second half, we really control our own destiny. To be honest, I have no clue how we’ll do actually, but something like 5-3, or 6-2 is what we’re going to have to go to make it.
R.I.P. Sean Taylor 4/1/83 -11/27/07 ♥
rachel216,
McNabb has a tendency of getting his stuff together in the second half of the season…i sure hope this happens and he makes these coaches like look fools for benching him. The circus is here right now…if it lasts the rest of the season i doubt we’ll win more than 1 game….who knows though
Darwin Navarrete
by Darwin Navarrete on Nov 2, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions

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