Jason Campbell & Clinton Portis Feuding
Update 11:04PM: Campbell is reporting the "beef is squashed." Campbell continued that the two of them "talked about everything that was said. [Portis] apologized at some of things he said were taken wrong way."
Just as I announced the great news of Shanahan signing with Washington, Redskins Insider posts the public war of words going on between #17 and #26.
We all know Portis avoids practice.
We've said Campbell is a warrior, but not necessarily the on-field general that pro-bowlers inhibit.
But Clinton Portis for no reason I can think of (but to save his high-priced job) called Campbell out during a radio interview, which prompted Jason to come out of his reserved shell and absolutely BLAST Portis. Must read....more dirty laundry I'm sure to come out. Portis later said he had no interest in being a leader...OK...so you are here for the paycheck. Awesome. Bye Bye Clinton.
Really dirty move of Portis to blast Campbell, then praise Shanahan in the same interview. Some quotes after the jump.
Portis:
"I wonder the same thing," Portis said. "And no disrespect to Jason, but everybody in that locker room can tell you, you'll never see Jason mad, you'll never see Jason's tempo change, you'll never see Jason get mad.
"He going to get up, dust himself off, he going to give you everything he got. But as a leader, you never heard -- it was always, 'Jason couldn't take control of the huddle,' or he didn't do this or he didn't do that. That wasn't Jason's character.
"I think Jason, you can't place so much on somebody who's not ready for that situation. I think Jason has enough trouble in getting the plays in and worrying about this, compared to controlling the huddle and making sure, 'Oh, we do this and we do that.' But you go and vote Jason Campbell [as captain] -- you know Jason Campbell ain't go and tell the coach, 'Well, we need to do this or we need to do that,' or 'This is how the players want it.' The only person I think would do it is London Fletcher."
Campbell:
"How is he going to say I'm not a leader?" Campbell said in a lengthy phone interview. "I mean, that's just not true. To me, that's somebody who shows that they don't know what a real leader is. A leader is not someone who leads by the wrong example. A leader is someone who is trying to do the right thing and trying to lead by example, and not just [being] about themselves. There's a reason guys get selected as captains, and there's a reason guys don't get selected as captains. Obviously, he doesn't have the respect of the locker room to be a captain. For someone to try to take a shot at me at the end of the season, after they haven't even been around, only speaks about their character anyways.
Clinton's comments can be taken as stating a simple truth, but when you're sitting on the IR and out clubbing (which I have pictures of), it really is uncalled for. Bruce Allen was spot on:"the status quo is unacceptaable" around here. We've known it for years....good luck Bruce and Shanny!
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I can't agree more
“Some people need to stop being ‘me’ guys and start being ‘we’ guys” -Campbell on Portis
see everything campbell had to say, he may not be the best quarterback, but atleast hes on the “team” side rather than the “ego”, and these days, thats important
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-campbell/campbell-fires-back-at-portis.html?wprss=redskinsinsider
I've been saying this all season.
CP is a cancer. Even TO worked hard at practice.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Thats pretty bad
Say what you want about JC, Peyton Manning he is not, but if anyone on this team does not deserve a low blow after this season it’s him.. I think that JC may have a better shot to stay on the roster at this point than CP, particularly if character is going to be a commodity again.
Absolutely Agree
Campbell is at the very least putting his best effort for the team in practice and on every sunday. Portis cant say the same. If he doesn’t like Campbell then leave the team. Not that Campbell is the geatest QB, but he deserves the respect he has earned.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
Please re-sign Campbell!
I heard the Clinton Portis interview on the John Thompson show…and let me just say…a leader he ain’t. To call out your quarterback who spent as much time on his backside while on the field that you did on the sidelines is nothing more than cowardly.
Make no mistake CLINTON PORTIS QUIT ON THIS TEAM early in the season, and now he wants to talk about leadership…please dude!
Don’t get me wrong it doesn’t break my heart to see the Redskins lose, but as a true football fan, I would prefer it if they were a good team, only makes the NFC EAST better as a whole.
As far as Jason Campbell is concerned…please bring him back….DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer need him…for their stats!!!
"If you can't handle the heat...get away from my grill"
by solid.getting.it on Jan 5, 2010 8:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Our O-line wont be the same.
Neither Ware nor Spencer will be getting a lot of sacks on us. Orakpo, on the other hand,will put Romo flat on his face. That is if he is around, after he loses to the Eagles he may lose his job.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
Say Good Bye to CP
He is not a team player, it’s time to build a team
No cap—> Get rid of him—>nothing hurt but Danny’s wallet
Yeah............... a leader is
not practicing every week but getting into the game because you constantly go over the coaches head. Then you continously fall down before hitting the hole and then blame it on your fullback. Was it a coincidence that the running game improved leaps and bounds without CP being “DA MAN”? I don’t think so.
Thought you had more class than that, Clinton.You never had breakaway speed to begin with and your cut and slash ability has all but disappeared. You can go to whatever team you want but your career is basically over and you will no longer be “DA MAN” anywhere again. Now clean out your locker and get your wanna be gangsta ass outta here.
by skinsymets on Jan 5, 2010 8:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Leaps and bound?
You gotta be kidding me, we had no run game at any point in the season. Mason just finished the season with 4 yards per carry due to playing against back ups. Before that Clinton Portis was the only RB on the team that averaged 4 yards a carry.
by Nobetterthenbob on Jan 5, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Say what you want about the YPC
but the running back by committee just looked tons better than portis did all year. It’s almost as if he was running with his shoe laces tied together. It was horrible and yet he was allowed to play hurt constantly.
If you wanna go by stats, thats fine, Ganther had 3 TD’s in 63 carries. Portis, 1 TD in 124 carries. Also, if you take away the 78 yd run Portis had on 1 carry, his average drops to just below 3.4, about the same as Ganther. Give Ganther the same amount of carries in the same amount of games and his stats could have actually been better, who knows? You see, Stats dont tell it all.
Draft Picks
Clinton Portis seems to be a bad influence on the team. Maybe we could get a mid draft pick for him.
I understood what you said.
It was just stupid and didn’t make any sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Also
As much as I like Clausen and think he’ll be a solid QB, I don’t even want to tempt Danny. We need Okung and we need him bad. I guess that would eliminate all chances of us drafting Bradford though…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
For all the people that are going to roast me for liking Clausen
please read this:
http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php
Pretty good stuff if you ask me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
He still is a loser of Charlie Weiss fame and proportions.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
no one would trade for him
his contract is for another 2 years and 13 million dollars, thats alot of money for a back thats almost past his prime in age and already past it in carry’s. no way anyone is willing to take over that contract the only way to get him out is to cut him and absorb the cap hit in the uncapped season
I know I'm in the minority but...
I’m going to agree with CP on this. For the last however many years I’ve waited for Campbell to step up and show he can take this team and he coudn’t do it. The only time they’ve been in the playoffs with Campbell was when he got hurt and Collins led us there. He doesn’t show any fire, he never makes the big plays, he just seems like he goes through the motion. Big deal if he keeps getting up after getting plowed by the D-Line, he just gets back up to throw another 5 yard out on 3rd and 8, or better yet an INT. Is that what makes him a warrior? I don’t want to hear about the O-line, he’s had decent o-lines in the past, and couldn’t perform then either. Portis always get the brunt cuz he’s outspoken and buddies with Snyder, but he gave 100 percent when he played and there isn’t a better blocking back in the league. I agree Portis should be out there practicing and working harder in the offseason, but Campbell’s been given enough chances, he needs to go backup a pro-bowl veteran QB somewhere and see what it’s like to lead an NFL team. Good luck to Shanahan and the skins in 20101
He Stepped up and took Snyderrato's lumps
He is everything one leader should be. Quiet, strong, and committed. Portis is a hack. He gave it all three years ago and got hurt. Nom he is just a lazy crybaby. He would lean and just fall over this year. JC picked himself up and kept trying.
I don't want..
a QB who just tries. I want a QB who can succeed.
What does Portis saying that on the radio accomplish?
What team will want him now when he calls out players on the radio? (he called out Zorn last year on the same radio station DURING the season).
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
I'll tell you what it accomplishes
It accomplishes the feat of convincing mike shanahan to get rid of him again. Hopefully he can trade him to another team for a starting corner and a pick like with us and denver way back when. too bad portis has about as much value as a steaming pile of feces. Cut this guy at all costs. I don’t care what the cap hit is if snyder is good at one thing its making the cap do what we want it to. I mean how do you have as many terrible costly misses as snyder and not once gotten into salary cap hell? Cut portis now…please?
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
we can all agree Portis should and will be cut
But Shanahan doesn’t need Portis’ opinion on judging a QB…if anything, I’d be more willing to give Campbell a shot given Portis’ demeanor. Campbell has been told what to do by so many different coaches I don’t know what to think anymore.
It’s clear Shanny wants to groom a QB immediately…question is what round will he take a QB?
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
Portis's new role
3rd down back for the Pack…
Exactly
Any trade value he has just went out the window with his radio antics. We would be lucky to get a 5th rounder or later for him now.
by killianskid34 on Jan 6, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
to his credit
Just how many new offensive schemes and playbooks has he had to learn while he’s been here? I’d say he’s been placed behind the eight-ball more times than not, and he is always consistent, and never complained. To me, He mans up without whining and crying and doesn’t make excuses. That is leadership. Give him a solid scheme, playbook and coaching, and he does have the tools to succeed.
AMEN!!
Way to say what nobody else has the guts to say. Campbell is a career backup qb. Check back with me in 8 years on this one.
by williamhudsonlink on Jan 10, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not even close
and there isn’t a better blocking back in the league
Ganther, for one, is better.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
The short throws are
a combination of not having the time to go through a progression and the offensive scheme, which is not a vertical passing game to begin with.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
PROUD TO SAY IVE BEEN IN THE RESIGN CAMPBELL CAMP SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON
And this is just further proof of my stance. The dude ranks around 14th-16th in all passing stats and 3/5 of his line were bums signed off the street. Imagine if he had compatent linemen, not human revolving doors like heyer.
Furthermore, we all knew Portis had to go anyway I mean that big of a contract for a guy who hasn’t played, produced, and was even discussing retirement opening earlier in the season when he got the concussion. This incident just makes us feel even better about getting rid of him. I hope to god Snyder buys out the contract even if there is a cap. Make no mistake though, Portis has been a great Redskin and I will proudly wear the jersey of his that I have its just that his prima donna act gets really old and irritating when he isn’t producing and injured all the time. See yeah CP it was good having you for your prime years. I would normally at this point hope that CP doesn’t become a skins killer somewhere else, but we can all see that he sucks now and is done.
RICK GG the Common Sense of Redskin's Nation...
I cannot believe what I am reading here. None of you can be serious with your hatred towards CP. It’s funny how quick everyone is able to jump up and save a dead in the water QB. ASIDE from being the best O-lineman unofficially, CP was a HELL of a running back used by complete morons (yes even Joe Gibbs). The U ran Portis to the outside, so did Shanahan. Hmmm…if the skins used him correctly, he would still have his break away speed. The reason he’s nothing (yes besides the fact he was used as a power back) is, well quiet honestly, because he never had a QB to scare out 8 guys in the box! Yet, he throws Campbell under the bus when he wants out. He might just want out because his career is, wait for it, OVER. It’s pretty scary going from the Face of the organization, to having your backups take your spot.
Take a couple weekdays off, fake injuries during preseason…whatever. Portis WAS a Redskin through and through. He played with his heart on his sleeve game in and game out. At the end, he was broken down, not at all in his once great form, but then again…who was this season for us?
As for Campbell…
My favorite thing in football is to watch qb’s struggle, because you really see how the great qb’s respond. Favre laughs, Peyton gets frustrated with himself, McNabb blames everyone, but what Campbell does is disturbing… He does nothing. He pulls himself off the turf, sometimes dusts himself off and calmly. Like a laid back stoner, he never is worried or heated. Every other QB, may have that calmness, but they THRIVE for that moment to beat you. Campbell ever shrugs that off. The Reason McNabb is a joke, is because after a big loss, he’ll say that the big play makers didn’t make big plays. I’m still waiting for Campbell and McNabb to realize it comes with the job of QB. I am a U fan, but i did enjoy watching Campbell when he played for Auburn. He was not a leader of that team. I do feel bad for Campbell, but he is not a leader. That isn’t to say that what the Redskin’s have done to is right either…50 systems in the beginning of your career is a terribly confusing thing, one that would definitely effect your confidence. I don’t hate Campbell, nor do I blame him for any lack of success.
I just think Redskin’s Nation should take a moment and not choose sides to this little argument between teammates. The Comments by Portis could have been FAR worse, and I really feel like is a man trying his hardest to get out of a situation that could be embarrassing.
This is a fair statement BUT..
How the coaches used Portis has nothing to do with Campbell. Zorn didn’t even use Campbell properly, which is evident when the play-calling changed and they gave JC the wristband….yet he still put up 3000+ yards and 20+ TDs.
Either way, Clinton wasn’t even a part of the team this year…sad for him to be the one to call JC out when all the SKins still playing vehemently defended him.
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
true
You do have a hell of a point.
I have a question KevinE… Can we Use Cooley or Davis as trade bate? I love Cooley…but he’s older and Davis is nice.. what do you think?
blueblood thank you
i thought i was alone in the trade cooley camp. once skins fans get over the fact that hes fun and a fan favorite they will see that we can get tons of picks for him which equals better OL sooner. plus fred davis has oodles more potential IMHO
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
You're not alone
Trade either Cooley or Davis for picks/players. It makes little sense to have two capable players at a position that doesn’t call for them to both be on the field much. I would rather get some O-Line depth via trade.
by killianskid34 on Jan 6, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
i hate to say it..
but i agree. trade cooley for a 2nd round pick. I am a huge Cooley fan, but we can get some serious value for him. Maybe a OL that can block. A RG would be sweet in return for Cooley.
by williamhudsonlink on Jan 10, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Tough call
We debated it last week…good points all around.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/12/29/1223587/redskins-gm-bruce-allen-has-a-real
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 5, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
thank you for the article
Thanks, I am new to this… I was a redskin’s fan stuck in Jersey…eagles fans are terrible…I just drove an hour and a half to richmond for a Authentic Taylor Jersey… the last one!
Eh I think you are a little off base
You mentions all these fiery QBs, but you don’t mention the other side of the coin. How bout Eli Manning and Kurt Warner? Both are the dust it off, calm, not in your face type like campbell, but both have won super bowls. Now I consider Campbell better than Eli at this point and more valuable seeing how he isnt paid close to 100 mil like Eli. Campbell is a leader. The dude went out every sunday, got hit like a pinata on cinco de mayo with a crappy OL, and he just got back up and tried to lead us to victory. I bet he has the uttmost respect of every guy in the locker room cept for a prima donna like portis. Plus portis hasn’t been good in 2 years. I agree with you in that I don’t understand why people are hating on him SO much. I mean he gave us his best years and single handedly carried us to the playoffs in 2005, and he has been a great redskins, but his prima donna attitude becoems really corrosive when he isn’t producing. its his time to go…but he will be missed thanks for the memories CP.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To Campbell's defense..
Most Good QB’s had a half decent QB mentoring them for a bunch of seasons. Campbell has not only not had a system but never was mentored by a good qb.
Amen also factor in shitty OL
And campbell has been able to have a considerable amount of success. Remember when we actually had a good OL in front of him? Oh yeah we were 6-2, and campbell hadnt thrown a single INT and was an early MVP candidate…god that seems like ages ago but it was only like two years.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's all good and fine
but your O – line comments are just as much a problem for Campbell as anybody on offense and I never saw JC calling out CP until now, about him not practicing and then playing every game. Why did that happen? It’s because CP is a brownnosing suck up who fooled everyone into thinking he was “DA MAN”. Who in the hell gets to skip practice every week and then play in the games? It’s very evident it played a huge role in a dismal season because as soon as Portis was put on IR, the running game improved leaps and bounds.
Also, if every team needed a Favre, Manning or Mcabb to go to the super bowl than it looks like not many teams would go. The point being is that RB’s are dime a dozen, even good ones that we won’t have to pay 10 mil a year for, and NFL QB’s are much much harder to find. We can WIN WITHOUT Portis much more often than we can without Campbell.
technically you are right, but you don't bring out of the locker room
Your right, if Campbell does absolutely nothing, that is a problem, but the fact of the matter is, we should never know. Blaming others, or getting really frustrated is fne and needed in the locker room, but you don’t go off to the media and cry.
Everyone here agrees that Portis is a very talented player. He is possibly one of the best redskins in football. But at the end of the day, something that Snyder is just beginning to realize, is that championships are won with teams, not a collection of players. It doesn’t matter if what portis said about campbell is true, you don’t go out of the locker room and complain about it. Especially if you are not the one getting knocked down every game.
Every one knows campbell is not a GREAT quarterback, but if you don’t have TEAM, a great quarterback doesn’t matter. Its often been commented Peyton manning couldn’t be peyton manning behind our O-line and with the way our team was managed. So yes, campbell may not be a long-term solution, but you keep player vs player issues in the locker room. Doing otherwise makes a player an “ego” rather than a “team player”.
as a side not. ladell betts works his butts on in practice, often says very little, very “campbell” like in the way he acts. hes not a GREAT RB, but in the past two years, hes been consistently averaging more yards per carry over portis. Portis doesn’t practice. Its the difference between a team player and an ego player
My one and only skins jersey is #26
I loved what he did for us through the Gibbs years and last year. Him moving the pile the 3 yards on 4th down against the eagles last season was awesome, and his devastating blocks got me sooo pumped. I forgave him every stupid comment and lazy moment. But there is no Redskin that I have respected more this decade than Jason Campbell.
WTF Clinton… are you completely ignorant of what is best for this team, or do you just not care? Its really a clear attempt to politic to Shanny against Jason, and its not necessary and it proves just how removed from the locker room CP is. Clinton could have had a chance to have a strong twilight of his career under the coach that gave him his best days and become the Redskins all time leading rusher. But he has basically forced the new regime to choose between him and Jason. And I hate to say it, I hope they choose Jason.
the seasons been over for about 36 hrs...............
And they are already throwing gas on the corpse……….shut your mouth play football, you don’t get paid to talk. You get paid to score touchdowns which neither are doing on a regular basic. Shanatan and Allen need to release both, instead of have 1 first round pick bundle them and have 3 second or 3 thrid rounders less money more opportunities for success… just a thought but trade the turds.
heck no we gotta resign campbell long term
albeit to a contract that is fairly easy to get out of but i think campbell has shown enough promise despite all the factors going against him to render him a franchise QB for now. and remember guys franchise QB doesnt have to be peyton manning, just a steady presence at QB who does his job a la eli manning or joe flacco.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no, one year contract
We need to see if he can actually take us all the way. He doesn’t need to win the superbowl, ubt he needs to show that under Shanahan and behind a good O-line, he can play at a high level. Otherwise, we will need a replacement.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
yeah but at some point you gotta give him a vote of confidence
plus i said “contract thats pretty easy to get out of”
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
But you guys need a good O-line first
That won’t just all of a sudden happen in 1 offseason. Also, this will be ANOTHER new coordinator/possibly system for Campbell to learn – how can 1 year be enough?
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
do you think Chris Simms, or
Byron Leftwich is worst than JC. My opinon is that they are better. so the way I see its we have a second string QB, playing in the first string slot. I hate to pay a second stringer the starting slots money. The reason that Flaco gets it done, is he has a stout defence to pull his butt out of the fire.
Confidence..
Hi, we traded up for Tim Tebow…your replacement…
are you kidding me blan?
you have no actual evidence and/or basis to say that JC is worse than chris simms or byron leftwich. have you been watching the same games we have?
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
YES............4-12...
We suck…leftwhich can scramble and pass donwfield he has great vision, which JC
lacks….. how many time did you see moss downfield wideopen and JC watching the rush come at him. Move the pocket… give him about 5 sec.
blan you must be having a real rough day
cause that makes no sense. leftwich has absolutely no mobility whatsoever. none AT ALL. and his wind up is 10 times longer than JC. have you ever seen him play? also chris simms got thoroughly out played by JC when we played the broncos this year so you are also completely off base on that statement.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
agree again
Leftwich where concrete shoes. I would say that Leftwich has a more accurate arm and has proven it more, but he is a catastrophe in the backfield and if he was the Skins QB this past year, he may as well take the snaps sitting indian style.
Simms is not good at all. The only thing he does better than Campbell is have blond hair. He’s really good at that.
ok.
I threw out a couple of backups… collins in tenn. But you have to agree we don’t have a starter… we have a back up. agreed???
no we have a starter
he was better than half the starters statistically this year. are you saying that half of the nfl is playing backups at QB? if you do than thats even more crazy than your “byron leftwich is a mobile QB” statement.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
YES WE DO
Colt Brennan…and his HUGE hips that always need Surgury
the numbers are decieving
the int’s at the end of the game… the sacks and fumbles….? we are talking about the same JC right??? the one that fumbles and get stripped on a weekly basis….I do agree with you on the 50%er stat.
I’d say that not good enough…top 5.
your standards are way to high
not every team can have a peyton manning or drew brees. and i can guarentee you that colt brennan is neither. and again what games have you been watching JC has one of the lowest turnover rates in the league.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Not every team can have a Peyton Manning or a Dre Brees
Funny,
if the chargers didn’t take Ryan Leaf…
haha but
the chargers arent “every team”
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
i know
But somewhere Ryan Leaf is smiling because he was brought into a sports conversation and wasn’t the butt of a joke.
I dont think anyone knows what JC is
I mean JC the QB, not the carpenter. I agree that he hasn’t had the team around him to play to his best. The issue is that the future is now and we have a new front office that is going to make a plan about our future and I think anyone with a question mark must be discarded. I’m not saying that this right but I will accept a few casualties to get a plan for this team and right the ship.
IF THE FUTURE IS NOW????
then why would we draft a QB that has to develop for 2 years or sign one in free agency that isnt familiar with this team at all. JC is the best option is you are talking “the future is now”
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
to clarify
what I mean by the future is now is that the plan or the next 3-5 years needs to be laid out now. I don’t think we have a playoff caliber team next year. This o-line needs to be rebuilt and that won’t happen in one year. So the plan needs to be laid out and right now JC is a question mark. We don’t know his peak. He may just be a casualty of this plan. I would love to keep him. I would live to see what he can do. My point is that I will accept this casualty as part of the bigger, long term plan to make this franchise successful year in and year out.
our defense is already playoff caliber
even if our o line only becomes ok as in middle of the pack, then we can contend for the playoffs.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that it can happen
Aaron Rogers was sacked more times that Campbell and he is in the playoffs. I’m just saying its possible and we didn’t do it.
Defense under a different DC should be very intriguing. Can you imagine if they just let AH “reak havic” like he wants and then they let Orakpo just chase QB’s all day? They should be great with a more aggressive scheme. Most importantly, they need to be held accountable.
reak havic................
Thats what Lavar A. was doing ..they didnt like and traded him…that was a huge mistake. he was a knife….
amen blatche was terrible
the talent we collected succeeded despite his dumbness. how do you not put osackpo at DE all day? how do you not move landry to FS sooner? how do you put deangelo hall in zone coverage and not press man? how do you not make big AL a 100 mil stop gap DT? good riddance blatche you were terrible.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
i meant why would you make big al a 100 mil stop gap DT
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
dont stop there....
why was randle returning punts??
why doesnt the staff know how to use timeouts
Why dont they use the running backs in a tandum???
Why didnt they use Davis earlier?
yup
I’d agree that the defense is ready but I se so many issues offensively. The whole line needs to be rebuilt. Rabach and Dockery can stay although, Rabach’s backup needs to be here relatively soon. But all other positions need to be filled. Thats the whole right side, and the LT. These are important and can’t be filled in one year in the draft and FA. RB needs to be addressed although I haven’t formed an opinion yet because Ken will bite my head off when I tell him that CP is done here. FB needs to be looked at also. The WR’s are the only that shouldn’t be touched (except cut ARE).
whoa there
RB is not a need at all. Shanahan is famous for making 1000 yard rushers from nobodys. betts, rock, ganther, etc will be more than suitable for his RB friendly system
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
not a bad point
I actually like Betts. It seems like he solved his fumbling problems and ran very well for us until the injury. I love Cartright. I say keep him. Ganther too. CP should go
in all fairness though
I only said it needs to be addressed and didn’t specify that it needs new personnel
NEWS FLASH!!!!!!
This isnt the AFC west this is the NFC east I’d have 1000 yds if i played 2 games with oakland and 2 with KC the beast of the east arent nice smooth slashers…PC was the bomb out there..he gets to the east and is average… doesnt lead the division in rushing maybe in total yards…
...shanahan did that for 10+ years straight
and once upon a time not so long ago not all the teams in the AFC west sucked and it was the chargers in the cellar
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
That
falls squarely on the O-line
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
I just don't see
the benefits of signing JC to a long term contract……but for the sake of it I’ll ok keep him biuld O-line and backfield…… and cornerbacks….. and d-line… i can see that and future look at that again in 3 years….
more beneficial then drafting a QB and paying him more than campbell would get then set the team back 2 years
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think the point was made the other day
that you don’t need a #1 pick to be a successful QB. There are plenty of fine finds anywhere in the draft. What we have a little more confidence that the guys making that decision are smarter and will make a better a decision.
shoot we can get a steal of a Qback in the
4 round… plus a truck load o-line in the 2 if we trade down…………… dont trade up, we need too many holes filled.
JC's Turnover rate...
is so low because he plays way too conservative…when you constatly throw 5 yard outs you won’t throw many Int’s and you’ll complete a lot of passes…he stats are way inflated, much better than he actually is. Comes down to confidence which he has none of. How can skins fans possibly want to resign him..how many more chances do you want this turd to have????
thats cause the coaches only called 5 yard outs
the west coast system was the worst possible system for him anyway and he did ok. he still hasnt palyed his best football.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Beware, Blan442
You risk the wrath of LETJASONPASS!! Just warning you. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
sign him as a back up with bonuses...
otherwise draft a 3 or 4 rounder, theres on difference. He’s proven that he cant win a game for us, but he sure can lose them….. how many 4 game within 6 pts. I’d rather lose them with blowouts. he’s not long term material he’s just not.
name one game he has lost for us
as in: mention one game where campbell was the main reason we lost. news flash: THERE ARE NONE. i know he isnt at the poitn where he can steal games on his own, but he doesnt lose them either.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Saints
He threw that terrible interception in OT.
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 5, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
Laron Landry lost that game, and Campbell was one of the reason’s we were in it to begin with. He and DT were both on fire.
that wasnt in OT
that was in the end of the game. and asshole shazzam lost us that game not campbell
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Geez, LJP
Where have you been? I’ve been trying to hold down the fort for you. Some of these guys are just way ignorant on JC and what we might expect if he gets a new OL.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Don't worry LJP and Scott E
I held down the fort for you guys. I’ve been a staunch supporter of JC. He has shown improvement even in terrible systems and terrible situations and I think he will succeed greatly if we put compatent people around him.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
cowboys year before last
under 2 mins inside the 30 throws and INT game over. this year Cowboys in dallas Wash defense holds them to 6 pt no TD can get a drive going. The lions just a total
leadership disaster. is that enough. He get stripped to many times, at least fumbles once a game. The DE’s know his weakness and strips him sometimes 4 times a game is that not losing a game for you then i dont know what is…
Hard to admit it but the cowgirls thoroughly outplayed us that game with the 2 min INT
and campbell was the one who brought us back after zorn let him work the hurry up by himself
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
amen to Boo's last comment
AND GUESS WHO LET HIM GET BLIND SIDED SO HE LOST THE FOOTBALL??? the O-Line
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
its called a moving pocket,
scramble out, move up bootleg out….something but dont stand like a tree and them be surprised that you get striped or sacked. He should feel it coming and move those size 17 feet.
His still didn't put up any points against the giants
And there are plenty of other examples where he didn’t lead his team to the endzone to win the game. The KC game was embarrassing. While he didn’t throw an int in crunch. Its fair to say he didn’t lead his team as captain to the victory and thats just as bad.
ok so its not a strength
Lets throw some wildcat offense in put some wrinkles in that keep there defense from pinning there ears back and ripping his head off…. they just contain until a 3rd and long and take him down….
moving pocket?
campbell is one of the best scrambling QBs in the league right now. he definetly knows how to run for his life, especially with this current OL. the KC stuff and the giant weren’t completely his fault. WR dropped passes, the OL couldnt do jack, and keep in mind we had absolutely no run game in the last several games. I dont think any RB got over even close to 100 yards rushing in a game near the end of the season. he did the best with what he could.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
really..4-12 is the best he could do????
Helen Keller could get 6 wins with Stevie wonder at wideout.. the cowboys suck..and the giants Corners are horrible. we couldnt score a td againt the cowboys this year…. THAT PISSES ME OFF……….not one.
this has to be the bottom line
4-12 is just not acceptable for any of them. Don’t get me wrong. Most of the o-linemen should be shown the door first and there are plenty of guys that have more responsibility than JC, but you mathematically can’t say that he is a winner when he hasn’t won.
MONK81.................
I agree, there so many holes to fill…. I don’t think that we can truly evaluate the talent….. so where do we start.????
Im going with a basic
assumption that we have guys in place that can make decisions. That assumption is based on neither one of them being named cerrato or snyder. So we are starting from different places. I say have some faith in the new regime and maybe they will surprise us. I think the talent level that fits the program will dramatically increase. I also think we are done with the whole ‘draft the best on the board’. I hope we will be ‘drafting the best at the positions of need’
THATS THE BEST THE TEAM COULD DO!!!
jesus this isnt the washington campbells its the washington redskins. stop blaming campbell for everything you sound so inane and completely ignorant on all issues football. keep in mind if we had a kicker and shazzam wasnt retarded we would have easily won 3 more games.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'll speak for myself
but I’ve been pretty clear that there is plenty of blame to go around. This particular conversation has been about Campbell specifically. All players should be held accountable and Campbell should too. I think there will be sweeping changes but you can’t cut the whole team all at once.
im talking to blan not you.
you do understand its a team issue but blan seems to ignore it and try to place all the blame on campbell which is absolutely ridiculous.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
if he showed a glimmer of hope
I’d say keep him, but I’m not see it. I’m seeing JC 2 mins left driving down the field, doesnt pick up the blitz..again sack ball squirts out and bam…again, we suffer another season of hopes and dreams down the drain….
Oh. My. GOD!
Its the O LINES’ job to pick up the blitz!!!!!!! you are completely ignoring BY FAR our biggest weakness and blaming it all on campbell!!!!!!
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
OL & running game....
With a good OL Campbell would be a much better QB. The fact that he put up the numbers he did this year with no running game and no protection amazes me.
Fact: NO NFL QB can carry a team without decent running game and a solid OL to protect him. Hell, with a dominant OL, we won three Super Bowls with three different QBs.
which is why
I think we should repeat that pattern (“with a dominant OL, we won three Super Bowls with three different QBs.”). Getting an elite QB is a crap shot and so a foolish way to plan for success. Get a good QB (like JC) and a great OL then add a good defense.
AMEN
now try to convince the ignorant fans like blan that…so frustrating
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
if he's going to get credit for the success then
he’s going to get credit for the int’s fumbles, non scramblin Qback that he is, I get that he has great stats…I get that, but they dont translate to winning, thats someting that you cant teach thats a feeling…
i never said he should get all the success
the team succeeds together and the team fails together. i guess we’ve gotten used to players like portis so much that we have forgotten what a TEAM is. and campbell is best scrambling QB outside of those wildcat backups across the league and vince young. yet again i have no idea what you are watching JC has gotten use countless first downs with his feet.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm watching the same games
and see 3 and out….6 and out…. bad pass here…sack there……. running for his life out of bounds…. and if he’s so good the only stat you need is win-loses….4-12…. last 10 years only the browns ,lions, and the the bucs have scored less points…theres a stat that reflects the true offensive quiality of the team
blan you obviously arent because
1. CAMPBELL HASNT BEEN HERE FOR ALL OF THE LAST TEN YEARS
2. CAMPBELL CANT PLAY OFFENSE BY HIMSELF. THE OLINE HAS TO BLOCK, WHICH IT DIDNT, THE WR HAVE TO CATCH THE BALL, WHICH THEY DIDNT AND THEN THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT PASS INTERFERENCE INSTEAD OF CATCHING IT. YES CAMPBELL MADE MISTAKES TOO BUT FOR A GUY WHO WOULD GET ABSOLUTELY MASSACRED AND WAS SURROUNDED BY INEPTITUDE HE DID PRETTY DAMN WELL. AND IF YOU JUDGED QBS STRICTLY OFF THEIR WIN LOSS RECORD THEN YOU WOULD HAVE WANTED TO GET RID OF TROY AIKMAN AND PEYTON MANNING AFTER THEIR ROOKIE SEASONS!!
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Relax....take a breath....a deep one...
JC’s been here for more than a rookie year, Troy was in the SB this 3 or 4 year payton his 5 or 6 year, but you saw that it factor..
im calm
it just seems like you dont listen to common sense when i type stuff normally so i figured maybe just maybe you would understand if i put it in all caps. oh yeah and aikman and peyton? they had amazing talents around them. as in great o lines. you know? those five guys that protect your QB?
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
we need.........
to trade down and futher down to get 12 and 13 picks in wholesale changes…and start cutting the slackers…. missing meetings etc….out of shape
by blan442 on Jan 5, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont like trading down
the talent pool in this years draft for the positions we need isnt very good. i think we should stay at 4 and either draft the OT Okung ot the FS Berry
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
haha breathing?
since when have we brought in players that are dead? and we cant just bring in talents it has to be talent that addresses our needs which are:
1. LT
2. RT
3. FS (move landry to SS)
4. RG
5. CB (upgrade over rogers, get more depth)
6. OLB (move osackpo to DE so have to fill this position)
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
We would have to trade
rounds 1 and 2 down to 6 and 6 to get that many picks. You are out of your mind.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Scott E...
I meant needs in general…that doesn’t mean they have to be addressed all in the draft…way to put words in my mouth…
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
In the last 10 years
the Redskins have won 2 playoff games…the Cowboys – none…are the Redskins twice as good as the Cowboys??
I guess you have a "feeling"
he isn’t up to snuff, despite all the non-help he gets from his team mates?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I agree that there was plenty of blame to go around
And again, I’d want Campbell back. My original point was that I would accept this as a casualty of a new plan for sustained success year to year.
And we don’t know what Campbell’s peak is yet. We don’t know if its what we saw this year or if it was we can assume it was basd on what he was able to do behind that line.
How do you move the pocket
when your O-Line is collapsing? The “pocket” is created by the O-Line…not the QB. This is what we’ll do – we’ll play a flag-football game where you have no blockers and your receivers are covered. I will come rushing towards you at the snap screamin, hollerin, and then putting my head square into your sternum and we’ll see how many passes you can complete in under 2 seconds…
Smoking crack again.
You can’t sign a qb who doesn’t have an accurate deep ball to a long term deal.
The guy’s passes just aren’t accurate.
by williamhudsonlink on Jan 10, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
cowboys laid the ground work for
the superbowl run with the herchel walker trade, everyone thought they were nuts….. They only won 3 out of 4 in the early 90’s. trade everything bring in young hungry studs ready to fire off the line. 6 year max in the playoffs and a threat.
hershel walker wasnt a pathetic shell of himself like portis is now
and he also didnt have a monster contract that is untradable.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
start Colt!!!! give the slinger a shot!!!!
He can scramble like Romo can.
Ugh....
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
i second that ugh and raise you a "god damnit"
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
come on!!! give him a chance... the has the talent.
he can run and gun. the result couldnt have been any worse 4-12 we last to THE
LIONS…remember???
he was terrible in this last preseason...
and it was against 3rd string scrubs!!
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Um....
same line, same supporting cast, less talent than JC, weaker arm than JC, less experience than JC, less ball security than JC, um….
Yeah, I’ll take JC over Colt any day.
And please don’t mention “run and gun” in the same sentence with the Redskins. Reminds me too much of the Spurrier era.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
This is the only gun I think would work in an analogy with Colt

by Nobetterthenbob on Jan 5, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
then why is he still on the roster....
I think its got something………to show.
Just when I think you can't say anything ........
more silly you raise the bar Blan……….Start Colt? Really?
Romo doesn't scramble
He dodges around, but rarely crosses the line of scrimmage – when he does, he runs awful. Campbell seems like a far more effective runner IMO
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
if we had Romo......
we would have been in the playoffs the last 3 years….period. if only if…. I hate the cowboys……………….hate them
not at all
tony homo = choker in Dec and beyond
they will lose to the eagles this weekend. you watch.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Amen.
If you aren’t gonna give him a shot.. why the F did you draft him?
by williamhudsonlink on Jan 10, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I can be patient, as long as
we are moving in the right direction putting piece of this puzzle together one step at a time.
This ship hit the iceberg 5 years ago and has been taking on water. It’s going to take some time to fix it. But this aholes are making it easy to find the bad apples. As far as Colley….trade him if we can get something for him.The NFC east isnt going to get worse we have to get better.
Bye, CP.
It’s a shame. You used to be one of my favorite Redskins, before you turned into a total weak douche.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
Wow....
Portis was in Brazil when he called into the radio show. He may have been still a little buzzed….who knows. Blasting your QB from South America…classic. Brazil is 3 hours ahead from DC…and the John Thompson show is in the afternoon…..
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
I wonder if they have NFL Network down there
I mean, is it possible that the didn’t even watch the game on Sunday?
Wow.... ouch.
I’d laugh, but it’s really not that funny.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
Was he on a float dressed as one of his gay dude characters during the interview?
I mean the guy has some clothing issues to say the least.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
What is Papa Shan going to do now?
It was as bad as we all thought. There was a clear division in the locker room. Players having dinner with the owner, players undercutting each other at every turn. Zorn just wasn’t a strong enough leader to keep the troops in line, and that spells chaos and a 4-12 team. Snyder was too busy palling around with the boys. No sense of authority or discipline.
It will be interesting to see what players stand up and side with Campbell. He was voted captain, his future depends on strong unequivocal support from teammates. We can now assume this is why snyder wanted to trade him last year, thanks to his dinners and friendships with certain high priced players.
Portis doesn’t deserve to wear the uniform again, a disgrace and a blot on Redskin history.
Too many questions now, what an embarassment.
I expect a lot more to come out....
Looking back at my time at training camp now, it’s very clear who was not afraid of the coaches and put out a poor effort (Sellers and CP were clear culpits).
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 5, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
no way..
If Shanahan is the coach…this is a week after his press conference.
But what's the answer
The uncapped year obviously lets us cut him. The cap doesn’t mean anything since we’ve already paid him the money. But if there is a capped year, we are screwed! The players will definitely take JC’s side. Then JC will be gone and Portis will still be having dinner with snyder. Will Shanny be able to tell Portis to bring him back a bag of food and don’t bother puttin ghis pads on.
It's safe to say this is why negotiations are taking so long
Obviously, these stories have been making the rounds, and Papa Shan and B-Allen took Danny-Boy to the shed and gave him a whupping. How can an owner fraternize with the help…. Ludicrous! Snyder did have a lot to apologize for the other day. Shan and B had to have scolded Lil dan and make him eat his excrement. Loved to have been a fly on the wall for that one. I bet it’s in his contract that lil danny has to behave, eat his pudding and STAY AWAY FROM MY PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!
Snyder
Johnnydee – I’m not sure if you’re kidding, but if not, let me clue you in: nobody, but nobody, pushes Dan Snyder around or takes him to the woodshed, or does anything but call him sir or Mr Snyder. If Allen or Shanahan were dumb enough to lean on Dan (and they’re not), they’d be gone. Snyder is a billionaire man of power, and the boss, and he will never apologize for anything. He does regret the disappointing seasons, but doesn’t blame himself. He could well realize that he got a little too close to some players for the good of the team, and probably intends to back off some.
Only time will tell of course but
Snyder has had to eat a lot of crow lately, football and business. Years ago, Snyder clearly thought he had the midas touch. He knows failure now. Shanahan has him over a barrel, other than maybe Cowher(who absolutely refuses to work with Snyder) Shanny was the only legitimate coach he could hire to get immediate creditability. Snyder is a pariah and a joke in NFL circles. Snyder likes to pal around with celebrities and politicians and powerful people. Owning the Redskins is his only real source of fame and power. There are millions of millionaires, and hundreds if not thousands of people with his money. Owning the Redskins makes him “special”. He can’t impress his friends with the way his organization is viewed. He wants to be worshipped when he goes out to dinner, not ridiculed. I am positive he will back off, at least for the next 3-4 years and let his football people do their work.
I don't see how Shanahan has him over a barrel
Snyder still writes his checks, and Shanahan knows to cross him at his own risk.
If Snyder comes into Shanahan’s office and says, “trade for a pro bowl QB”, Shanahan will say, “How fast?”
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Portis and Campbell
I’m mostly with Portis on the substance of his comments. Jason is not a leader, shows no fire or passion or confidence in himself or the team. Even last year the players did not seem to respect or have much confidence in him, although they all liked him. As Rick GG said, just taking punishment and getting up does not make one a leader. I saw Jay Cutler take hits and throw an interception, get up furious at himself and everybody, then throw two touchdown passes to give the Bears the win. Look at body language – Jason walks hangdog and disgusted, head down. Portis did not question his character, only his leadership qualities. And he was right, just as he was right in blasting Sellers for missing blocks. As to who to keep, it seems to me that Portis is a lot better running back than Campbell is a quarterback. All that said, Portis should not have said what he said. Maybe the team should discourage players talking a lot on the radio – filling up time with off the cuff comments. They are not politicians and don’t always say what they intend. Look at that epsilon semi-moron John Riggins. Anyway, JC and CP have kissed and made up, so maybe no harm is done.
They are not politicians and don’t always say what they intend.
Do you mean to say that politicians say what they intend?
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
Politicians
Lucy – yes. The top politicians you see on the Sunday talk shows are awfully smooth, and usually say what they want to say – not that the substance of what they say is correct or consistent, but it is usually what they want to say. With ordinary people (including me) speaking, things sometimes come out wrong, and are sometimes heard wrong (like Jason incorrectly thought Clinton had impugned his character). Most people, if forced to talk long enough, will spout a lot of things they don’t mean (often called “gaffes”). .Above, I simply suggested that Portis probably did not think that he was really criticizing Campbell or that it would hurt his feelings, that it was more like background info, insight on what happened, or whatever – not really thought out, just stream of consciousness, sort of like when he defended Michael Vick early in the scandal. Clinton is Clinton, a free spirit, says what pops into his head. Somebody ought to tell him to not talk so much. But he is one tough guy, so I won’t do the telling.
I think people...
in DC have grown tired of Portis for whatever reason, because he talks, or maybe because he doesn’t practice because of his injuries, and they are quick to jump on his case. He’s always been this way since he joined Wash, and I don’t remember people being so critical of him. This is the same guy who was talked about as a frontrunner for MVP at the first half of last season. I personally don’t think you can lose that much ability in that short of time. I am more than greatful for what C.P has done for this organization. He’s been running for 1300 + yards each year for the same O-Line that people are using for their excuse to justify Turd Campbell’s poor play. I hope C.P. comes back with a vengence next year wherever he ends up, but I am still a fan and want him in D.C. And I agree, the comments wern’t meant to bash Campbell, that is the media trying to cause a stir.
no he blasted sellers cause he is a coward him and seller are freinds and for him to do that publicly was the mark of a coward… sellers is a monster and for that coward to call him out after one game and knowing the o-line was trash i would have had to see him in the parkinglot for a one on one fight if i was sellers cause he petty and i suspect gay …cause at the end of the day sellers was throwing good blocks for his petty ass for years onew bad game and he gets called out?? thats crazy how many times do you think sellers thought things about portis but chose not to say it ??
Players may not say things in a PC manner,
but they say what they think. And CP was way out of line thinking AND talking to the press about JC. Especially when you compare the effort we got from CP to what we got from JC this year.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
hey donnio you dont have to be an asshole like cutler to be a leader
you can lead by example which is exactly what campbell does. also for every 2TDs cutler throws he has 4 INTs in the redzone.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 12:14 AM EST reply actions
I wouldn't worry about donnio
he was on here the other day saying the bust the bank free agency strategy of Snyder was a smart way to run the team. His opinions are about as high quality as pickled pigs feet from the bottom of a bottle of mad dog.
by SkinsOsTerps on Jan 6, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Free agency
I don’t think of it as “bust the bank” free agency strategy. How can they bust the bank, given the salary cap (which was never much of a problem)? And I don’t say only use free agency – they should find the best players wherever they can get them. Obvious. But I do say that in the draft you get basically unproven college players who rarely start the first year – rookies. How can you not look at veteran players who have proven themselves? There is really no argument here – of course we should look everywhere for the people we need.
Campbell - leader?
Just what example does he lead by? How does he lead? Almost everybody seems to agree that Jason is not much of a leader, and never has been – that’s one of his biggest weaknesses. I don’t think most leaders mainly “lead by example”, although that is part of it (notice Tiger Woods). If that was all that was required, anybody could be a leader. Mostly a leader has to know what he wants to do, know how to do it, and convince others that he knows how to do it. He must Inspire confidence, show that he can win. Body language and demeanor are important. Leaders are different – think Vince Lombardi, Patton, Stonewall Jackson, Reagan, Joe Gibbs. Jason Campbell is a pretty good quarterback, but I don’t think he will ever be really good or great, and one big reason is personality. A bigger reason is field vision – he doesn’t see open receivers well enough (it’s a matter of degree).
I'm glad we got an asskicker as a headcoach
I don’t know what this means in the next few years, maybe something better because this was in my mind the worst ‘Skins season ever. Zorn is a nice guy, but I’m glad he’s gone. I would like to see Portis gone too. Campbell? Maybe. I would like to see Colt Brennan (I’m ready for the hate) get really coached up by Shanahan. He has a good arm and seems smart for a football player, despite the shenanigans he had with Cooley.
"dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok" - bored Boise State Cowbell Girl (who's apparently blind)
I think this may be one of the biggest attributes for us
He needs to get the most out of these guys and they need to be held accountable. I’m thankful that it appears we have a FO structure in place right now that is more traditional and will be able to hold the players accountable for what they do…or don’t do.
Colt should get a good hard look
Colt ran the spread in Hawaii, I am pretty sure that Kyle, who is a QB coach, will run some form of a spread. Colt probably stays and could really fit in with this new offense.
not at all
mike shanahan is the coach and he doesn’t run the spread at all. he implements a run heavy version of the WCO but its also mixed in with some vertical passing game. I think this is perfect for us because that same run heavy WCO is what got us to 6-2 last year, but with a vertical passing game we won’t be so predictable with 5 yard slants like we were with zorn and the spermin sherms
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Kick Portis To The Curb
in Denver, we realized his usefulness was past and gave him to you. While he gave you a few successful seasons, he was mostly disappointing and Champ has been great for us. Now, he’s gone too far. Campbell is a smart kid who has previously shown admirable acumen in learning numerous offenses and Portis has been on IR helping the team in no way. Good luck with Shanny and beat the trash out of the Cowgirls. I don’t have a problem with the Eagles or Giants and we’ll see you guys in four years, unless of course we meet each other in the Super Bowl in the next couple of seasons.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jan 6, 2010 3:31 AM EST reply actions
good bye
I think both of them need to go. Jason a quarterback hahahahahahahahahahahaah. Portis is over the hill, I like him but instead of doing the talk, do the walk like you can. You both will be somewhere else next year. I went to the game on OCT 4, 2009 my first game of my life. It was nice but some of the players have to go
maybe they're both partially right
and by that I’m referring to the following quotes;
Portis: ‘Jason couldn’t take control of the huddle’
JC: ‘A leader is someone who is trying to do the right thing and trying to lead by example, and not just [being] about themselves’ & ‘For someone to try to take a shot at me at the end of the season, after they haven’t even been around, only speaks about their character anyways’
Personally I think CP is having a rough time adjusting to the fact that he is now a sub par RB so I think his comments reflect his frustration.
While I repsect the pounding JC has taken this year and his decent performance despite having a horrible OL, that doesn’t mean he takes control the way a QB needs to in key situations.
What we have here is a couple guys on a bad team who are not only struggling with the team issues but also their own performances. Cp is done, stick a fork in him, especially with his attitude (calling out his QB and never practicing). JC hasn’t had much to work with but even so he’s shown he isn’t an elite QB, he’s just mediocre. I imagine if I were in their shoes I’d be frustrated too.
From HomerMcFanboy
I’ve never seen that huddle in disarray. I’ve seen coaches on the sideline not getting the plays in on time and having to call a timeout, but I’ve never seen Jason panic or anything like that.
So who do we believe on the huddle part?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
HomerMcFanboy
can’t tell from the sideline either. We have to believe someone who’s actually in the huddle, not someone guessing from the sidelines.
sorry
should have added on that this was a quote from the player. But what I meant was, when you have to conflicting point of view (there was a disarray in the huddle and there wasn’t) who do you believe?
Kevin also has it posted at the top of the home page as a Fanshot.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
ah, I see
in that case I would agree that Cp is the problem. Honestly I can’t see how they’d want to keep him anyway. His price tag is huge and his productivity is terrible. That alone should put him out the door. Not that having such a terrible attitude isn’t reason enough but why would they want to keep him at this point.
The fact is that most RBs only last a few years and CP is very high mileage. So why keep him?
Support for the minority
What a healthy Portis is: a very productive NFL running back and often the only productive part of our offense, arguably the best blocking back in the league, the workhorse of the Redskins offense. Yes he is sometimes too ostentatious; Yes his comments about Campbell are uncalled for and damaging for the continuity of the organization, but currently there is not much.
What Campbell is: a very average NFL qb, rarely terrible, and rarely very good, he is consistently average, he is tough and committed, and an outstanding person off the field.
Portis is not and should not be the offensive leader. He is a running back, he touches the ball 15-25 times a game. He knows he is not the leader. He knows Campbell should be the leader. He simply points out that Campbell has not been a successful leader for the team, and with this I agree.
When asked about leadership, Brett Favre said, "It’s somehow getting 52 other guys to raise their level of play. To get them to believe in what we’re trying to do." He has clearly done this with the Vikings. Now its absurd to think Jason Campbell can be Brett Favre, but he has clearly raised no one’s level of play, and I would argue the offense has very little faith in what they can do right now. For the Redskins offense to be productive once again, two things need to happen first the line needs to improve, and second Jason Campbell needs to become the leader Portis points out he is not. He shows no enthusiasm for the game. Campbell doesn’t run the offense he is merely a part of it. Portis is right Campbell has not taken control.
portis is productive no longer and his body is starting to betray him
plus with his contract we should be getting a top 5 back which he absolutely isnt at this point
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions

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