Shanahan Officially In; 3 Reasons the Redskins' Are a Franchise Again
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 5, 2010 7:41 PM EST
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It's official: Mike Shanahan is in. As Redskins fans, we no longer get excited for the "big name" acquisitions after the countless busted free agent signings and the high-low return of Gibbs, but the process that brought Shanahan to Washington is a bit different for three main reasons:
1.) Shanahan essentially fired Vinny Cerrato
I had the misconception that because Shanahan advised Cerrato to add Anthony Alridge to the roster, that the two were buddy-buddy. It appears that is not true. Since the post-Gibbs era, no coach wanted to work under the duo of Snyder and Cerrato, so someone had to go, and it's obviously not going to be the owner. Cowher and others waved away attempts from the owner, but with the hiring of Bruce Allen, a name mentioned by Shanahan, the stars began to align. It was lucky for the Redskins that Urban Meyer decided to stay in Florida and Wade Phillips gained December success. Either way, as fans, we simply couldn't take another year of mistakes from the two stooges. Thank you Mike Shanahan.
2.) Shanahan was both the GM and Coach in Denver, which was too much. In DC, he has Bruce Allen to handle all the free agent work and he will have an already proven staff of (reportedly) Kyle Shanahan and Mike Zimmer:
Shanny has gained a lot of criticism for his "average at best" record after the John Elway era. The fact is all 4 of his team captains got injured and with the childish leadership of Cutler, the locker room was lost: I will reiterate parts of my interview with legendary Bronco, Karl Mecklenburg, who knows the situation in Denver better than anyone:
Karl Mecklenburg: I've known Mike forever. Mike was the Offensive Coordinator with the Broncos for years while I was playing. Mike ran into an issue at the end of his career where he was both the General Manager and the Coach. It was a problem about 3 years ago. They just drafted Jay Cutler and they replaced Plummer with Cutler. Rod Smith, a great leader, got hurt, Al Wilson, the heart & soul of the defense, got hurt, and Keith Burns, Special Teams captain, got hurt. Plummer was a great leader, not necessarily a great player, but everyone loved him in the locker room, gave unbelievable effort, he was all about the team. So, all 4 of these guys all go down at once.
The way I describe a team in my speeches and book is a see-saw or teeter-totter. On one side you have the leaders. They think long-term. They put team passion and team mission first. On the other side you have the egos. How can I get my touches, my statistics, my money? Then in the middle you got rest of the team that can go either way. And that's usually the biggest group. So, on the see-saw you add or subtract a leader/ego, you tip that teeter-top one way or the other, and the middle group starts sliding that way. So then you have momentum towards success or momentum towards failure.
So what happened to Mike all 4 leaders went down at once. You ever been on a teeter-totter when everyone gets off? BAM! That's what it was like and the egos took over. The middle group went that way, and it was really tough to negate that type of influence. It fell apart after that.
Hogs Haven: He couldn't fix that over 1 or 2 years?
That's a challenge. The defense side of the ball there wasn't great talent brought in. There was a new [defensive] coordinator brought in every year so whatever talent they had they didn't understand the system. It takes awhile to learn the new language. Offensively, their leader [Cutler] was more concerned about himself then the team it appeared to me. When that happens it's very difficult to win.
Hogs Haven: So if Mike came to D.C. he shouldn't take on both roles?
Karl: That would be tough. He hasn't shown he has good at that. There are very few people that are, and there is nothing wrong with that. Mike is a great coach. Anybody that's had the success he's had is going to be a good coach. The challenge is, is he willing to delegate authority. Is he willing to turn the defense over and live with it. Is he willing to work with the GM and coach the players the other guy brings in. He was successful in the past.
3.) Shanahan has spent this off-season studying the game
Per our own Hogs Haven Ken Meringolo:
Mike Shanahan has used his year off to study the game of football in a way he was unable to do as a full-time head coach in the league. He visited training camps in the preseason-most notably Pittsburgh in August-and spent considerable time studying Urban Meyer's offense in Florida for possible ways to improve his own offensive philosophy. He was of course welcomed in Houston when he hung around the Texans' franchise to observe Gary Kubiak and his son operate what has been one of the better offenses in the NFL over the last few years. It is my opinion that Shanahan is coming back to the NFL in 2010 with a fresh mind full of ideas and possibilities. He had his pick of teams to come back and coach, so I believe it was in WAS he saw an opportunity to come in and implement all the ideas that have been kicking around his brain the last 12 months. (The money isn't bad either.)
Honorable mention 4.): Shanny has had the entire year off to evaluate talent within the college and NFL ranks.
The incoming regime is an impressive quartet that Dan Snyder deserves props for pulling off. Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, and Mike Zimmer. I'm not renewing my season tickets just yet, but this Redskins team will be competitive again in a couple years, which is no doubt something to be optimistic about.
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We're Back!
At least it’s the beginning. Finally, a real, qualified HC. Even when we lose Shanahan’s teams are always fun. While Snyder’s still the boss, maybe this will signal the pendulum swing towards less meddling as with Gibbs as a poster mentioned earlier.. Let’s go Shanahan’s Redskins!
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Jan 5, 2010 8:05 PM EST reply actions
TOUGH TIMES STILL AHEAD
This is a big step in the right direction. however, facing the Colts, Texans, Vikings and Packers along withe the east 8-8 at best. We must be patient and not waste a single pick in the draft like so many years in the past!
Dont think so.
The Skins are a very talented team. they just need to solidify the O-line…or for starters get one…and they need for their young players to have good coaching. I see both of those being acomplished this offseason. Thomas can be last years Eddie Royal, probably better, and Kelly can be a less talented Brandon Marshall.
If Miami can turn around a 1-15 team in one year, there’s no reason we shouldn’t think we cant take the East next year.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
The beginning of the end of the nightmare....?
I certainly hope so. In fact, I seriously need it to be so.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
(Cautious) Optimism, (Cautious) Optimism.
by SkinsOsTerps on Jan 5, 2010 8:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm afraid if I do
it’ll only come out as a girlish squeal
ha! ha!
And again Snyder is on track to win the off-season
Can the Redskins do some winning in the season, please
In fairness to myself
I have never been taken in by the big free-agency signings but I can’t help but be happy that it looks like something positive is actually changing at an organizational level. Obviously it could still all be for naught if Snyder doesn’t permanently back off but lets not ruin the moment. :)
Agree, on the big agent signings but
Hype or not the Redskins have kept their name in the headlines and have “won” the off-season as an owner spending money. I’m ready for the no name offensive line, and a winner
Maybe the will become "The Ninja Hoggs"...?
Just a thought.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Good Luck Shanny
I hope he is successful for you guys. Over at Mile High Report, we are speculating if Mike will try to lure some of his former players over here. He may try to trade for Peyton Hillis. No disrespect to Sellers, but he is a 10 year vet and Hillis was handpicked by Shanahan. Peyton is a fan favorite, but doesn’t seem to fit in Josh McDaniels offensive scheme. I don’t see him trying for Tony Scheffler though, Chris Cooley and Fred Davis are very good IMHO.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Some people think he wants to bring Marshall.
Which is completely WORNG. Shanahan was going to cut Marshall after his last season, Unfortunately for him, but fortunate for us, he was the one to go.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
Deal is reportedly 5-year, $7 mil a year
I can live with that. Anyone know what Vinny’s salary was?
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
Via ESPN tweet
Shanahan will team with general manager Bruce Allen, but Shanny will have ultimate authority on football decisions.
Shanny has the title Vinny had…Exec VP of Football Operations
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
Same title
So that’s the problem, all of these years Vinny has actually been the head coach as well!
Great photoshop!
you just need to lower the contrast on Shanny’s fake tan!!!!
Congrats to the Redskins!
I have to give props to the skins for getting a great coach. Finally the skins will be able to compete in the East! Long time coming…
Die hard Carolina Panther Fan, repren' black and blue from southern Cali
Thanks Pantherfan
Although Rome wasn’t built in a day, hopefully the adults are in charge at Redskins Park again.
My uncle is a die hard Brocons fan
Only has amazing things to say about Shanahan. In fact us hiring Shanahan has turned my uncle in a new born skins fan even though he has been giving me shit for years since we have historically been worse then them since 1992. That should tell you how good of a coach he is.
Also just food for thought: Since we hired Shanahan now don’t you guys think that our supposed need at RB is erased? Because as everyone knows Shanahan is famous for making 1,000 yard rushers out of no names. I mean of course he has to build up a good OL, but I hope I’m not the only skins fan who thinks that betts, rock, ganther, etc would do just fine in Shanahan’s RB friendly system, and also we could concentrate our efforts and money on addressing more important needs like OL, FS (move landry to SS), CB (upgrade over rogers, more depth), and OLB (move osackpo to DE. btw whoever thought of the idea of having him cover and play LB is retarded he could have had 15+ sacks playing exclusively at DE this season)
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 9:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree with the needs, but CB isn't a high priority
I wouldn’t have a problem going into next season with Hall, Tryon and Barnes if we let Rogers walk. Barnes was a 3rd rounder, we shouldn’t rush to replace him.
Not sure about this...
Bill Romanowski on Shanahan “Get ready Washington because a Super Bowl is coming your way”
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
Really?
Is he rejuvenating Elway? Because that’s the only reason he won two in the first place. Another overpay for overrated personnel. More of the same from the SnydersSkins.
so are you saying
every single great head coach that has won super bowls with hall of fame quarterbacks are grossly overrated and are actulally mediocre?
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yea its a dumb, pessimistic comment
There might have been other options available to fill the position, but hiring Shanahan was a no brainer, especially the way Snyder went about it. First a GM, then a respected, proven coach, then fill the staff and build the team.
I’m saving my excitement for when the plan for building said team is communicated to me clearly.
Yea
When they don’t do anything without a HOF QB afterward (9 seasons, 1 division title, 4 playoff appearances, 1 win).
Point being they just made a mediocre coach the highest paid guy in the league. I understand, Skins fans are desperate for any shred of good news. But this isn’t it.
Sure it does
Guys come to DC to get paid, and that’s it. Haynesworth, Trotter, Deion. We could list them all day. No reason to think Shanahan won’t be on the list too one day.
Doesn’t matter who I prefer so long as Snyder is doing the hiring.
haha funny thing is
one: you dont have any coach in mind and you are dodging the question because you know shanahan was the best candidate out there
two: even if you are right and shanahan’s “medicre” record carries over, he still has a better record than we had in the last 9 years and he didnt have the financial muscle we do.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Like I Said
I guess hiring a coach who will get you 8-8 is good news for Skins fans.
I get it, you want to pee in everyone's oatmeal
That’s fine. I’m going to wait to hear more details about the system he’ll run and see the personnel moves he makes before I buy season tickets for the next five years. But I really see no reason to be as pessimistic as you.
Actually,
We were very close to 8-8 this year had we a FG kicker and not given up a number of last minute touchdowns. Considering that and just the improvement in 2 minute drills and overall OL improvement and things look good. We do have a much tougher schedule, though.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Original # was $10 mil a year when Jerry Jones was still in the mix
Thank God the Cowboys and Florida dropped out of the mix. $7 mil I can live with.
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 5, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Why does it matter? It's Dan's money. Oh wait...
I forgot about those cheap $12.00 domestics we’ll be buying next year.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
You don't take a head coaching position for the same reasons as a FA player
The head coach is the #1 accountable party, his reputation is fully on the line. A FA player who gets a big payday after proving himself elsewhere can more easily not give a crap.
The jury is still out on Haynesworth, but I after 1 season I love the signing. He was a monster out there much of the time, and I expect him to improve if this new regime has the personalities and the vision that we hope it does. And if it doesn’t, there’s bigger problems than Albert.
And I think Snyder post-Spurrier (i.e., ever since Papa Gibbs set him straight) is much different than Snyder in the Deion and Trotter years. If you can’t see that, you are just listening to the press hype rather than making your own observations.
Yea, You're Right
Hiring Zorn is a TOTALLY different approach for Snyder. It was nice to see him finally move away from yes-men.
You know what? I like you Boo
We seem to have very similar ideology on all matters redskins. I completely agree. all haynesworth needs is a trainer in the offseason and we all good.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I like to provide a healthy dose of common sense and optimism around these parts. And most HHers do too.
Now, afrosupreme, he hates optimism. A lot of Redskins fans (and DC sports fans in general) do. It makes sense, kinda. But its no fun to listen to.
And to reply to your comment, afro: Snyder gave Vinny full control after Gibbs left. Vinny bungled the coaching search process and bungled the draft and bungled free agency, and lost his job as soon as that became evident. Zorn was a lot of things, but to characterize him as a yes-man is too cut and dry. One thing for sure, he was not the strong personality that Shanahan is, and Snyder picked him. He also gave him full control. Wait, that must mean Dan actually isn’t the giant egomaniac that he is constantly reported to be by people that have never spoken or worked with him. Give it a chance.
in general yes
“And I think Snyder post-Spurrier (i.e., ever since Papa Gibbs set him straight) is much different than Snyder in the Deion and Trotter years.”
but the Jason Taylor move was still a real stinker.
But the way Vinny bragged about that trade
you gotta think he played a big role. And Taylor had a pretty good year this past year; you take away his injury and his mis-use and he might not have been as terrible as he was. Obviously not worth losing a 2nd rounder over, but he filled an emergency hole at DE. It didn’t stink like going after the big name just to do it.
good points
I don’t remember VC bragging but I believe you and I do think Taylor was misused.
well it's a step in the right direction
now we have to wait and see if Mr. Snyder will let the football people do their job and he can start to mend fences with the fans by lowering ticket or concession or parking prices and stop being a dick about season ticket contracts.
so far, the only sense he has shown is to stop sticking a fork into the toaster, after about 8 years.
Lets hope that there are more steps in this direction, because I remember being excited about Marty, then Spurrier, then Gibbs and then Zorn, so maybe I’ve been conditioned to be a bit more skeptical than I used to be based on past behavior.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
I like it. controlled optimism.
I can’t believe you were excited about spurrier. I knew that was a terrible hire as soon as it was announced. Funny thing is that while everyone makes a big deal about how many coaches synder has gone through the only one i was super duper bat crazy pissed about was when we fired marty. every other firing actually made sense to me.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
arguably Shanny is a way bigger get than any of those other coaches
Gibbs was better in his prime but coming off a long layoff and Marty was a defensive version of Norv, Spurrier and Zorn were zany goofballs from left field who brought lots of questions of how they would transistion.
by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
guys
he is a great off mind just tell him to stay away form D
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol denver will rise again
agreed
I’m really anxious to see who the DC is. Jim Haslett’s name has now also entered the mix.
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 5, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Zimmer is still the favorite I hear
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 5, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I could deal with Haslett
he’s a good DC. I just want someone who can have complete control of the D and make them his own.
by BayAreaBullet on Jan 6, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
We need a great O mind.
With Zimmer, we’ll be right there with D as well. Woohoo!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
**** UPDATE*** 2pm press conference to introduce Shanahan
No further details, but you can usually watch it live on redskins.com, Comcast, and the NFL Network….more details tomorrow.
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
What bothers me about this
All of the pictures floating out there are with Snyder and Shanahan. Where is Bruce Allen? I thought the GM was supposed to sign the coach? It seems like Snyder is still involved to the point he can be dangerous. Snyder is setting this up to be like he is at the controls of all of this change instead of handing the keys to someone and stepping back. And we all know everything Snyder touches turns to garbage. I just have a sick feeling about all of this, even though everyone else is excited.
by killianskid34 on Jan 6, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Just because they took a celebratory picture together doesn't mean that Allen is marginalized.
The reports all say Allen was in the meetings and he went to dinner with Shanny and Danny afterwards.
What happened to Buges' minute in the spotlight?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Has Buges Officially Hung 'Em Up?
I’ve only seen unconfirmed reports about Buges … maybe the reports of his retirement were greatly exaggerated. Although I don’t see his OL philosophy and the lighter, cut-blocking style of Shanahan being in sync at all.
Chiefs fan here
Congrats on getting Shanny. He was always a bitch to play against (in Denver), and I think he was prematurely let go. He always had a great offensive mind for the ball, and the Redskin’s loyal fans deserve to have a good team. So many good teams have terrible fans, that its nice to see a city with a loyal football following have the blueprint for success. Good luck in the future
why thank you sam
good luck to your chiefs. i hope cassel is the answer.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Sam
Thanks for spending your time to give us those kind words. We DO appreciate it!
Thanks for that
hope Cassel is what you guys needed
SpotieOtieDopalicious
The Best thing Snyder has ever done as an owner
I know, I was pumped for Gibbs again to, but that was before I found out he only came back for the dough, and to get out of debt.
But this….looks genius! Not just to hire an historic coach to bring respectability and stability back to a once proud franchise, but a prodigy to revolutionize this league.
I am convinced with everything I have read that papa Shan and baby Shan will change the game. The west coast offense is going hyper speed. The wildcat is the hot new offense that teams are copying, but the Shans are going 1 better.
A true spread offense is coming to the NFL, and it is starring in Washington, DC.
Baby Shan is the real prize here. An offensive guru with the clout and backing of papa and the organization to try something revolutionary.
The spread offense is dominating college and high school football, the top teams run it, the athletes are trained for it. It just takes a gutsy, aggressive pioneer to bring it to the NFL. We are the 49ers of the eighties. Might take a few years to implement, but the "Greatest Show on Land’ is coming to a stadium near you!
Congrats Redskins Fans!!!!!!! You got a good one. And now Broncos Fans have an NFC team to pull for.
Please kindly punch Tony Romo in the face twice a year for the next 10 years.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Consider it Done ...
And that includes the last five years, when he’ll be out of football :-D
i love how many
sit there and say Shanahan was nothing with out elway, but let me ask you this how many superbowls had elway won before he got there? that’s right say it with me NONE.. also he is great at building a great line and finding gems in the late rounds in rb do the names Terrell Davis,, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns and Tatum Bell, ring a bell? all of whom have had at least one 1,000-yard season
by confederate_gent on Jan 5, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
confederate gent you my boy
the haters need so go f*** off
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 5, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
slam
dunk
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 5, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Shanny and Elway bumped heads a lot...
It wasn’t until Shanny convinced Elway that he needed to rely more on the running game with Tyrell Davis that they got those SB wins. Elway was famous for his comebacks, but I would argue that had he let the running game participate as per Shanny, he wouldn’t have needed as many comebacks.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
How many coaches have won super bowls with multiple QB's?
Besides Gibbs? Replacing a franchise QB and enduring the inevitable salary cap hell that followed all 1990’s Super Bowl teams is tough and Shanny kept their head above water. If he hadn’t been given full GM powers he would still be coaching there. He is one of the more brilliant offense minds in the NFL and has the rings and gravitas to earn the respect of the players and most importantly Snyder. His drafts in Den. were great for offense and up and down for defense so we will have to see how the drafting works out. If he gets help from our talent guys I can see him drafting well. Obviously he is no sure thing but he was the first or second best option out there(Cowher?) and his run first O-line centric mindset will play real well out there in DC. He has his work cut out for him but I think we can be guardedly optimistic. If he does decide to keep Campbell I think he is the best coach for him as well.
Shanny Will Do Well For the Skins
and I don’t hate him. I know why Mr. Bowlen had to fire him, but he’s recharged his batteries and (lucky for Skins fans) is not the GM. Just make sure the Cowgirls are at the bottom of the NFC East. The NFC East has three classy organizations and Dallas, so please keep them in mediocrity where they belong. Good luck!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jan 6, 2010 3:43 AM EST reply actions
Im gonna be the FIRST(1ST) to tell you clowns...
Your pissing up a bare tree trunk…Snyder has done this so many times that it is getting to being nauseous…First he lures you bed-wetting bums with STARPOWER, and you buy into his glittery-eyed promise of glory to come…LMMFAO…yada, yada, yada, same way he did when he brung in Bruce Smith, and Deion Sanders when they were no longer legit players…washed up od has beens…Its gonna be the same way with the acquisition of Granny Shanny…Why cant you get it thru your heads, that his type of football, his days as a coach are not only numbered, but they have been called and re-called, to no avail…I mean when you got known head cases like Haynesworth(stomping on defenseless players heads i.e. Gurode) and physclos like DeAngelo Hall(picking fights with other players, and hitting old men i.e. Falcons HC), you guys dont get it…1). You DO NOT even expect to win with that kind of talent(eeewwwww) on your team…and I use the term “team” very loosey when Im refering to that useless scrap pie that you cal a “team”….2).You DO NOT expect to win, bringing in a HC(head-case) like Granny Shanny, and have him start his blood-pressure blow-ups like he was known for in Denver…Lets face it he is a fiber-optic nerve ending short of a blown fuse…Hes a heart beat away from a coronary over-load….You crack a fart, and Granny Shanny will jump a few feet…and that bring me to my last point…3). You DO NOT expect to win with an owner who has been known to dump coaches quicker than he changes his diaper…It dont take a rocket scientist to figure out that Snyder DOES NOT CARE about the RedSkins…He does NOT care about the fans…when are you going to get that thru your" thick pudding" heads?…Didnt this last go-around just sour your stomachs…Now here is my advice, and it is free(probably worth at least one of them $10 million paydays Granny Shanny is going to get)so you can quit holding your breath like you were when Zorn refused to resign, while still be owed money by Snyder…I would 1).Protest even greater than you have been in the past for a NEW OWNER…lets face it, the one that you have is a blown ticker…his maniacal dealings, and shenanigans have placed this great citys pride and gory in serious jeaporday…You guys go home after a complete ass-whipping shut out deat to ypou by your arch-rival Dallas Cowboys, and your equally hated enemy New York Gnats, and you know whats wrong, but you dont have a quick answer on how to solve it…well I just gave you a quick answer for your troubles…I was going to suggest blowing your brains out, but then the common ordinary tax-payer like myself would have to assume another debt when we had to bury you clowns…2).This advice co-incides with my first piece of advice and is equally freelly given…Id move the team to a much more lucrative venue…Los Angeles is looking for an NFL franchise for their city…Again, depending on public sentiment out there in Caifornia, it might be a quick sell, maybe even a hard sell cause A really never has been THAT DESPERATE for a team to come to their city…The reason I said it woud be a hard sell is cause the taste of another notoriously ego-tistical owner(Al Davis, yeah~nods head~)still lingers in their mouths…Besides, Jacksonville, and Buffalo will probably be better suited as NF teams for LA…The next choice with any real possible takers would be Billings MT…Now I know its hard for you clowns to swalow all this skepticism I am bringing you, and you have to believe that i do it out of the “goodness” of my heart…I just hate to see all of your faces when ONCE AGAIN the Dallas Cowboys come in and shut you guys out IN FRONT OF YOUR OWN CROWD ON NATIONAL TV…So let me sum up my personal feeling and say this…We dont want to loose a good(yikes!!!) established football team like you clowns…I mean we have owned your asses for so ong we would(sniffs) kinda miss you every year when we had to play you guys…But realistically I know(as soon you clowns will)that all good things must come to an end, and the NFC-East will be a much lonelier place without you…It cannot go on this way much longer, and we realize(NFC-East teams) that we must choose a different franchise to take your place, seeing as how you guys are the continual bottom feeders on the roster…Well I guess Im going to close now, cause I am going to watch the Dallas Cowboys beat another up-start bunch of She-Gals in the PLAYOFFS…Its always nice this time of year, around this time anyway, to ook back on what a great season your football team has had…What an experience it is to get to cheer on a continously winning franchise, and watch them progress to the elite-calibre that they have become…You guys did know that the Dallas Cowboys, the same Dalas Cowboys who shut you out in front of your own fans in your own stadium, on National Television won the NFC-East title didnt you?…But then most of you realized that there would be nothing able to stop us when we went down to the Superdome in New Orleans and just beat the shit out of the Saints in front of their crowd…It was also much more clearer to the NFC that Dallas was the most feared franchise in the Playoffs by far…So, while getting a brand new cast off HC is nice, dont you think it would be much more acceptable, much more prefferable to get to watch your team progress into the playoffs?..Sweep of the She-Gals and sweep of the HAWGZ…what a wonderful, wonderful way to start off this glorious NEW YEAR…FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Jan 6, 2010 5:08 AM EST reply actions
try winning
a playoff game before you talk shit ok
by confederate_gent on Jan 6, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Don't be so fuzzy
Just come out and say what you mean. It’s ok, you don’t have to be weak-jawed on this site.
Actually…no one really ‘fears your ’star.’
Sry. Not even us Browns fans.
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 6, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
…you guys are gonna go far in the playoffs. Really. Wade is gonna take you all the way.
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 6, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
hey cowgirls fan you just got shit smacked by a browns fan how does that feel? johnnyphoenix you my boy good to see the browns fans still got a little swagger to them.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
good to see the browns fans still got a little swagger to them
….yeah we still do….a few of us.
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 8, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Know what is truly hilarious is that you guys need Browns fans to rep for you…Now that is gut busting lung destroying fat out funny…FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Jan 9, 2010 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
Know what is truly hilarious is that you guys need Browns fans to rep for you…Now that is gut busting lung destroying fat out funny…FEAR THE STAR
Who ever said anyone over here ever asked or needed for ‘Browns fans’ to ‘rep for them?’ I’ve never come here before… just stopped by to comment on the coach hire, and saw your post. I’m completely unbiased about whatever rivalry you guys have being a Browns fan obviously…but you…are an idiot…and i call it like I see ‘em.
So, again, as an unbiased NFL fan here…let me shed some light on how things are going to go and how it’s going to happen. YOUR team is going to beat the Eagles (golf clap), and then you get your, ahem, ‘star’ shoved right up your ass in the next round. I know it, ‘skins fans here know it…in fact, everyone everywhere knows it…and actually, the COWBOYS know it…and YOU do too. So take your one playoff win and jumbotron and your 3D, and your stripper poles, pat yourself on the back, and ride off into the offseason quietly like good…’boys. There are plenty of teams that don’t need your payroll or
1.3 billion dollar monstrosity to consistently fail when it matters most.
Ok, Enough.
Any questions as to what I’ve just explained to you? I can explain it again with fewer syllables if ya’ll want me tah…
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 9, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Unbiased???...hmmmm, you dont even know what that means..but what can you expect from a never been to the SuperBowl team fan?
But, I can tell you that youve got some of it right…we are going to beat(actually, we have beaten) the Igglz tonite…So tell me JP, when are the Browns ever going to win a payoff game?…LMMFAO, never mind YOU, and ME, and EVERBODY else knows you wil NEVER win aa SB much less appear in one…Dont that make you feel just absolutey fu cking stupid cheering for a “deadhorse”???…2 wins away from the SuperBowl…FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Jan 10, 2010 3:56 AM EST up reply actions
Dont that make you feel just absolutey fu cking stupid cheering for a "deadhorse"???
No it doesn’t.
Let me ask you this.
With the absolutely atrocious record the Browns have had do you honestly think your COWBOY fans would continue to sell out…year after year….a stadium like the Browns have done consistently…..? NO. They wouldn’t. WE DO. Your ‘stadium’ would be empty…empty as a church on Superbowl Sunday EVERY week. You just don’t have the stomach for it.
So quite honestly, it’s your OWN fans who let YOU down…and again….MY fans don’t need stripper polls, 3D, or 90 dollar Pizzas to come watch football. You and YOUR fans do.
Who am I cheering for….who is my ‘deadhorse?’ Now do you really, REALLY think my Brownies will never get there? We just brought in the type of front office you Cowboy fans could only dream of…so yeah, we have NOT won, or even GOTTEN too a SB, but do you really think the staff you have is ANY closer to bringing you a title nowadays? REALLY WADE?!
Good luck next week. Since WE’RE not in the playoffs…WE’LL be watching, Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater…what are we going to see? 2 away for you right now is about 2 wins away from my aunt growing balls and becoming my uncle….Good luck with it…I’ll call my aunt and let her know next week…
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 10, 2010 4:41 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry ‘Skins fans…didn’t mean to hijack the thread but he pissed me off….Later…
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 10, 2010 4:48 AM EST up reply actions
I would, however, like to call full ownage here but I need outside, impartial corroboration.
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 10, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
no worries johnny
I’m actually surprised you even responded to that idiot.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
prepare for your annual playoff loss
but with the banged up Eagles defense it will be deferred 1 more week.
I didn't even bother to read your sonorous post
You are just jealous that you still have the Son ofa Bum, fudgepacker for a coach while we pulled the rug out from under you. You’ve been watching too much jumbotron to make any sense.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Just because I can spell more than 3 words correctly...
doesnt mean my posts are sonorous…As for you guys scoring a washed up has been fired for not being able to win HC, congrats!!!…If a Son of a Bum can get me into the payoffs, and win SB, give me one anytime…What has your coach done lately?….LMMFAO….FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Jan 9, 2010 7:33 AM EST up reply actions
If a Son of a Bum can get me into the payoffs, and win SB, give me one anytime…What has your coach done lately?…
Uh…their current coach won back to back titles in ’97 and ’98. Yours?
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Jan 10, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
ummmm
don’t you have a banjo to restring or a relative to deflower?
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Now that must have taken you all day to write...
As compared to the hamstringing you guys took from the Cowboys, and it was your tight little buttocks we de-flowered, I guess you could say a cherry of somekind got popped…LMMFAO…Besides YOUR MY SON, or my nephew, I dont know which was a worse lay, your momma or your sister, but Im damn sure never going back to your house again…I told your momma(or sister~shrugs~) she shoud have just swallowed your ass…FEAR THE STAR
by Hawgz, Bugz, and FilthyFowl Hater on Jan 9, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks For Showing Why Cowgirls Fans Are Such Tools
your rant reiterates what I’ve already known for years.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jan 6, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
exibit A
of why all cowgirls fans are fruity faggots
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Congratulations Skins Fans
Ive not been a skins fan that long about 8 years now due tot the fact my son in law and his family are huge fans thus in the NFC they became my team also being a fan of another team that was in turmoil i under stand I’m a BROWNS fan as I’m from Cleavland and have lived and died with them, so of course my Fave team is the browns but the skins are right behind them, my perfect Super Bowl would be those two, anyway congratulations perhaps now you all can get back to where you need to be right at the top
by I_love_those_damn_browns on Jan 6, 2010 5:24 AM EST reply actions
I think you'll be seeing lots of improvements
under Holmgren. Good luck to you, too.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
First of all I am sick and tired of all the Redskins haters out there. I have been a ‘Skins fans since the early ’80’s and will never ever be a fan of any other team. I am excited that Coach Shanahan is finally going to bring this team back to it’s winning ways. Be afraid be real afraid all you Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles fans. Shanahan will put all you in your places. And the ’Skins will once again be the Beast of the East. So continue hating all you haters. The Super Champs will once again be the Redskins!
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