Washington Redskins All-Decade Team of the 2000's - Quarterback
by Sugar on Jan 28, 2010 12:08 PM EST
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Nice job everyone on circling wagons on our All-Decade team philosophy.
I think the consensus out there is that we will be a run-first team. Given our upcoming selection of wide receivers, I think we can agree that a power running game is our best chance to move the ball consistently.
Here is how we will work the formation of this roster:
For each position, I will offer a guy who I think should make the team and why. I will then throw out a bunch of other candidates and we will vote to fill up the roster spot. Don't worry if you think we should be carrying more players at a particular position. As we go, we will lock in the no-brainers and guys we think make the most sense. At the end, we will see how much room we have left and add players accordingly. Who is going to be the Marcus Mason on this All-Decade team, sweating out the last cuts to see if he makes the roster? (Sorry CJ, it won't actually be Marcus Mason.)
Quarterback
I am tempted to adopt one of the more recent trends in the NFL and go with only two quarterbacks. Perhaps you will agree after you read this list of starting quarterbacks in the 2000s for our Washington Redskins.
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsay
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
Could we find three guys on this list to throw a helmet and pads on? Sure. Would we have a battery of dudes that says "All-Decade" though? Ummmm...no. We'll just say that we only wanted two guys to begin with, and maybe people will gloss over the possibility that our hand was forced.
I am compelled to name Brad Johnson as my first selection to the All-Decade team. What makes this so hard is that he spent some time playing for the Cowgirls. But as a fan, I am going to get over it because his exit from Washington was so utterly absurd and not at all his fault. He could have played his career out in D.C. under a different front office. Instead, he found himself staring at a brain trust that actually thought Jeff George was the "guy".
So he went and led the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to a Super Bowl championship in 2003. The dude completed at least 60% of his passes for 13 straight seasons (only Peyton Manning comes close with 10 straight seasons over 60%.) He was athletic, strong, and mobile in and around the pocket.
In the "Did You Know?" category, Brad Johnson is the only player in NFL history to have thrown a touchdown pass to himself. He accomplished the feat in 1997 (as a Viking), catching his own deflected pass and putting a juke on a defender en route to a 3-yard touchdown.
Despite a reputation for leaning on fast, short, safe passes (earning him the nickname "Checkdown Charlie"), Johnson was more than capable of hitting the deep ball. On our All-Decade team, an established running game will open up some sexy downfield patterns and Brad is heady enough to make those throws.
I think of all the signal-callers that suited up in burgundy and gold, he probably makes the most sense as our starter. Who should join him? Today's vote and subsequent discussion will focus on Mark Brunell and Jason Campbell I am sure. I will include Todd Collins and Patrick Ramsay in the vote as well just to see if they garner any love. If we want to have three quarterbacks, we can, but only if there seems to really be a split opinion. Keep in mind we might need the roster spot for a Red Zone specialist or two (Darnerien McCants anyone?) that might not otherwise make the team.
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I’m glad Mark Brunell has a chance at a Super Bowl ring. The 2005 season he helped manufacture was a fun ride. He gets the backup position to Brad
Has to be either Brunell or Campbell
Cases can be made for both. While JC has been improving each year, his record is a little sub .500. However Zorn’s coaching ability is more than suspect at this point. Along with a line that wouldn’t start on some college teams. Not to mention the amount of Coordinators he’s had.
Brunell had the benefit of that line in it’s prime. He also had Portis in his prime and even though Gibbs was not quite up to speed with NFL, he had a plan and stuck to it and so Coaching was a huge advantage for Brunell.
On face value, I would be leaning towards Brunell and that’s why I voted for him. However I wouldn’t be gripping if JC beats him out. This is a close one.
+1000
When Brunell first came here he was pretty good but then he just seemed to wear out. I voted for year 1 Brunell. Campbell is a close 3rd though.
year 1 brunell?
as in 2004 Brunell?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
2005
which was his first year with us. He’d be a good backup as I see it because his problem was durability. It seemed like he couldn’t keep his arm strength up over the course of a season which is less of any issue for a backup.
technically he was with us in 2004
just didn’t start all the games
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Brunell gets my vote
if Brad goes down, Brunell can come in and make good, safe reads and he was super-accurate with his passes.
mmh
wasn’t always super accurate. in 04’ he was at 49.8.
I say let him start against the Cowgirls if he’s the one.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
huh?
I’m confused on the rules then. I thought it had to be within their playing years with us.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I got you
I’m still confused on the rules though
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
That's quite an accomplishment
to throw 22 straight completions yet keep his overall completion % under 50%. You can’t hide talent, as they say.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
12 other teams played them as well
and did not set the record…
Brutal
This could have been the most depressing poll I’ve taken on Hogs Haven. shudder
Chris Mottram and I are going back and forth via twitter on this issue
Chris’ take is that Brad’s only good year was in 1999, so Brunell or Campbell should be the #1 guy for the decade. In fact, Brunell’s 2005 year blows away Brad Johnson’s 2000 year.
Ken…care to elaborate or change your mind?
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
Not to mention BJ only played 1 year this decade
Don’t let the 1999 year cloud ur judgement.
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 28, 2010 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eligibility is based on playing here this decade
Kevin, this list is not about how long a guy played here. We have slim enough pickings.
Brad Johnson makes this team for me based on:
I think he is the best guy for the offense we want to run;
He is better than the other guys on this list.
I understand he played here for just one year, and I understand 1999 was his best year. Yet STILL, I think he is the best guy we have for what we are trying to build.
Gotcha
Yea, I’d rather have BJ over any of the others as the starter.
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 28, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Where is Mottram's comments down here?
We know he has a sign-in. Are you his errand boy, delivering his opinions?
If you read my earlier comment, you'd see it was all on twitter
http://twitter.com/ChrisMottram
http://twitter.com/HogsHaven
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 28, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I voted for JC
because he will finally get to play behind a decent line. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to who from the 2009 Oline is NOT going to make the sqad?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
He won't get to play behind a decent line before the 2010 season...
But that could turn out to be a great audition for him toward the next decade’s team.
by Dixie's Football Pride on Jan 29, 2010 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Off topic
but was London Fletchers Pick-6 vs. Arizona in 07 the last time the Skins scored a defensive touchdown?
sounds about right
What stinks is DHall returned an INT to the 1-yard line this year. I think that was the Raiders game.
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 28, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was before that?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
it was against Carolina
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Rules
Rekka and Carver…since when do you care about rules anyway?
To be eligible for this squad, the player just had to suit up for the Skins between 2000-2009.
I am sidestepping any written rules about “we can only take guys for what they did while they were here.” Mostly because I would have to shoot myself prior to completing this exercise if that was the main criteria.
The debate for each spot can incorporate whether you think a guy should or should not be counted based on his time here.
As for Brad, his best year here was 1999, but he played in 2000, and went on to have great years that our awesome front office didn’t believe he had in him. I choose him because I think he is the best guy for the offense we want to run and at least for me, this is as close as I am ever going to get to seeing the Redskins make the right decision on BJ.
what man doesn't make the right
decision when it comes to BJ?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I can't believe
none of you have mentioned Jeff George. What if we put JG behind center under Spurrier. BRILLIANT!!! Just line him up in shotgun, and let him chuck it all over the field. The hell with the running game. Split Trung Canidate out wide, report ALL LINEMEN eligible downfield, hike the ball, and GO GO GO!!! You’d have Sellers at center, Yoder and Stephen Alexander at the guard spots, and Davis and Cooley as your bookends. Centers would be next to Tom Arnold Jeff George, and Canidate would be out wide with Westbrook, Connell, and Moss. Hell yeah. We’d score 50 every game.
Really Jeff George in Spurrier's "Fun n' gun" system?
This has to be one of Snyder’s worst ever free agent signing on the offenseive side of the ball. the guy was a joke! i mean why sign him when you had Brad Johnson who just led you to the NFC East title and botched snap away from beating the bucs. then the next off-season you sign Jeff George and for what! do you remember the 2001 season he had? a passer rating of 34.6 which by the way ranked last the NFL, plus in the first two games in which he played in that season the skins were out scored 67-3 and the worst of which was when we lost to Green Bay 37-0. So no, Jeff George would of been worse under spurrier cuz spurrier would of benched him anyway cuz remember he went through every Florida Gator QB he had.
by Skins4ever on Jan 28, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
aw, C'mon
you’re gonna heap that all on George? He played under Marty. How was he supposed to blossom? With his free-wheeling ways, the way he suns discipline, he woulda been PERFECT for Spurrier. They probably woulda been golfing together every afternoon. (OK, they woulda had to go a little earlier on Sunday) I men, can you imagine the Coach-QB bond they would’ve developed? It’s gotta be one of the biggest tragedies in Redskins history that Jeff George was let go before the Ole’ Ball Coach got here. They woulda rewrote history together. That’s a pairing the historians would’ve talked about for decades.
I was at the opening of the George era...
When he was pulled game 1 of Marty ball. Tony banks took over. It was most exciting game in Redskins history when they only passed midfield once.
Brunell
Only by default. None of the other people on the list, with the exception of maybe Collins, is worth a Tinker’s damn.
Brunell should EASILY be #1!
Let’s look at the career statistics for a second.
Years played
Johnson – 15
Brunell – 15
Percent Completion
Johnson – 61.7
Brunell – 59.6
Yards
Johnson – 29,054
Brunell – 31,826
TDs
Johnson – 166
Brunell – 182
INTs
Johnson – 122
Brunell – 106
Rating
Johnson – 82.5
Brunell – 84.2
And let’s not even talk about BJs lack of speed or quickness, he was a pure pocket passer whereas Brunell in his prime was pretty nimble on his feet. Come on guys! You know Mark is the man for the job!
I was going by a single year performance
and memory. But either way I think you’re right.
Johnson 2000
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
228 365 62.5 2505 11 15
Brunell 2005
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
262 454 57.7 3050 23 10
Of course...
Who else in that bunch can even compare, statistically, to these two? Johnson’s 2000 season and Brunell’s 2005 season alone trump the entire bodies of work from the rest.
But as far as further rationale, I believe that in addition to stats, we should seriously consider specific games/events in which a player contributed to the lexicon of memorable Redskins moments. There weren’t many of significance this decade, but Brunell was a part of several…like the 22 straight completions, the playoff win, the improbable comeback win against the Cowturds on Monday Night in ’05. In addition to being, statistically, the only other logical choice aside from Brad Johnson, his collection of significant accomplishments stands above those of anyone else…including Jason Campbell.
by Dixie's Football Pride on Jan 29, 2010 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Then I would add Todd Collins'
4 game winning streak in relief to put us into the play-offs. I know, it was a team effort, but you know what?…it always is.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
The Cowturd comeback was especially sweet
for me because I was watching the game with a Cowboys fan!
What has always stuck out to me about Brad Johnson is that he foud a way to win wherever he went. He just a “git ’er done” kind of guy and who doesn’t want that on their team?
Campbell's stat are just as good
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
327 507 64.5 3618 20 15
Todd collins
TO all of you who dont like collins he at least got us in the playoffs.Campbell never has or will so.This team needs to say goodbye to campbell once and for all.
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