Cleveland looking for a QB
by Nobetterthenbob on Jan 15, 2010 5:20 AM EST
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PrintBefore anyone says anything about this post, I would like to say that I believe JC is our best option going to the next season and that drafting a QB in the first round, no matter what our line situation is going into fall 2010, would be a step in the wrong direction. This is just a possibility.
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Holmgren sounds like he likes what he's seeing out of this running offense. I think everyone did in the last 4 games of the season. 286 yards in a game is not an easy thing to accomplish against any team. But those last 4 games, the QB stats are a real eyesore.
Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson each quarterbacked the team to two wins in the winning streak. Their combined totals for the four games was 31 completions in 65 attempts for 363 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions. That equates to a passer rating of 50.99 in a league where 80.0 is considered average.
In retrospect, Jason Campbell in his worst 4 games this season averaged almost 10 points higher. All that behind a crappy O-line and very little run support.
In any case, I highly doubt that Holmgren goes with a high pick at QB. With the talent of QB's in this draft, the horrible problems with Quinn and with his ridiculously bad draft history, he is going to probably look somewhere else. Jason Campbell would make the most sense in this case. Zorn will probably head back with Holmgren in some capacity. Why waste another few years grooming a QB with a first round pick when you can pick up a guy that ha experience, is still young and has worked with one of your men for the past two years?
It is obviously their biggest need and Bradford looks like another Quinn with the same skill set and injury problems. Clausen IMO has looked much better in terms of pro quality, but he has a chance in going #1 in the draft. In this case, the Brown's first round pick might be up for discussion.
Do I think this will happen, more then likely no, but it is something to think about and gives a whole new group of possibilities in this draft and what direction Shannahan can take next year.
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my first thought was gonna be
to try to get them to trade draft picks with us so they could go for the high round qb. it’s disheartening hearing that they probably wouldn’t though :(
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Yeah
Holmgren’s highest pick on a QB has been a third rounder, I don’t think he goes QB.
by Nobetterthenbob on Jan 15, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
To counter that he has had Farve and Hasselbeck his whole career and has never had a need to draft a QB.
Yeah but
Hasselbeck wasn’t any good until the 03-04 season and he still wasn’t that great.
by Nobetterthenbob on Jan 15, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but
He obviously saw something in GB and traded for him rather than using his draft picks, after he had already drafted him GB.
True
But if that’s the case and he talks to Zorn, wouldn’t that history support this scenario?
by Nobetterthenbob on Jan 15, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Trading a 4th pick for a 7th plus numbers 72 and 131
It is unlikely that Cleveland would give up their 2nd round pick except for a playmaker like Cooley. They might break for a 3rd and 5th rounder. The 6th or 7th round would not sweeten the deal enough.
Cleveland’s picks as it stands now.
1st 7
2nd 38
3rd 72 , 90
4th 103
5th 131, 134, 154
6th 168, 177
7th 199
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 15, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
You are out of you mind, Tiller.
And I mean that in the nicest way…:)
With the O-line shored up and an improved running game JC will be fine. His passing stats will likely improve, and the fumbles, etc will go down. What’s not to like about that?
Marino, Kelley, Tarkenton, were all great QBs. None won a championship. Elway’s two SBs came when he allowed Shanny to run the game – and I mean run. Elway’s stats for those games were pedestrian to say the least.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Thanks for the post NBTB...
Now I can let this idea screw up my intestines along with the possibility of going to the 3-4. OOOHHHHMMMMMMM…..change is good…..OOOHHHHMMMMM….change is good….
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Their new GM is from the Eagles, so I saw an article yesterday that if they go after a QB its either going to be McChunky, Kolb, or Hasslebeck.
I think the only way to trade JC to Cleveland is to include Cooley as part of the deal. They did want him last year, and don’t really have a threat at TE since they traded K2.
Refresh me hear...
just what do we think we can get from Cleveland, I mean besides a PR/KR guy?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Nothing that I would want. I have no idea what Shanahan thoughts are on our current personnel. I do know they have 11 draft picks. Furthermore I don’t know why Holmgren would even want Campbell.
With that being said if we could ship Cooley and JC for Clevelands #1 and and one of their #3’s then I’d probably be down for it. But I don’t think they would go for that.
by Parks Smith on Jan 15, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't do that for less than a 1, 2 & 3
of course it would be nice to have two picks in the top 4 haha I mean I think Cooley is worth a 2&5 and Campbell is worth more than a 1 so maybe 1,2,3 or 1,2,4
2 picks in the top 4 is no good
with the way to rookie salary scale works you dont want top 5 picks, the optimum picks are picks 6 thru 10-12 (depending on drafts depth)
You cant give away the number one pick these days unless someone like Peyton is coming out of the draft.
If they got rid of this ridiculous situation where if a tackle goes number one he becomes the highest paid tackle in the game without playing a snap (thanks to the stupid rookie wage scale) then I’d agree, but in the current guise, I’d sooner have picks 8 12 and 26 or something like that, rather than picks 2 and 4
Pommylee
Well in this draft...
We could draft Berry and Okung, addressing 2 of our glaring holes on offense and defense with some young talent on the upper end of the board, we could also trade back and pick up an extra pick in the 2nd and a late 1st rounder. I know what you’re getting at.
It would be ridiculous to pay that much money to 2 players coming out of college. most aren’t worth it, I’m right there with you.
by Nobetterthenbob on Jan 18, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Throw in Cribbs
JC and Cooley for a 1 and 3 plus Cribbs, I would support the trade
Although what the Redskins will do at QB will be a major question
I believe this may push LJP over the edge, on the one hand he got what he wanted and on the other he lost his name sake.
The Brownies over at their SB Nation site
want a 1&3JC for Cribbs. Something’s gotta give or no deal. I expect no deal.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
where'd you read this?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Cambell's strength
as we all know and have kicked around for the last 4 months (at least) is drop back 7 passer; not Holmgren WCO. So they will want Cooley for Cribbs and maybe a 3rd rounder, 2nd if we get lucky.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I might take
Joe Thomas, their LT and they have a couple other good OL. I doubt they’d trade any of them though.
He really wasn’t looking bad a year ago until he got hurt.
by Parks Smith on Jan 15, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
there are no no play makers on the Browns team
as receivers which is why they want Cooley. And it’s also hy they’re willing to give up Cribbs – he’s a great KR/PR but a horid receiver. Massaquoi is a possession type receiver but they’ve had no deep threat (Cribbs can’t deliver) which means every team plays the underneath routes.
Seattle, with Carroll, is also in the mix for a QB.
They have 2- 1st rd picks, 6 & 14. I have read that Clausen fits into PCs scheme, and Pete thinks highly of him. If Clausen falls to us, we might swap our 4 for their 6 or 14 and another pick or 2. Carroll is their GM, he won’t be thinking long term. Everyone thinks we are going QB, Carroll might jump on a trade to get his man.
I'm assuming everyone
thinks we are going QB in the draft because of the Sanchez/Cutler stuff from last year. Maybe it was a visionary strategy by Dan to obscure our true intentions in this year’s draft. Naaaahh…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
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