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Source: Jim Haslett to coach 'Skins defense

According to the AP, Jim Haslett will be our new defensive coordinator, and not Mike Zimmer, as previously speculated. Haslett was previously the HC of the Saints from 2000-2005, interim HC of the Rams in 2008, and DC of the Rams, Saints and Steelers. Last season, he was HC of the Florida Tuskers in the United Football League.

* First thought: This makes it likely that we're going to stick with the 4-3 defense, rather than switch to the 3-4, which is a bit of a disappointment to me -- I thought Rak would make a GREAT 3-4 tweener outside linebacker, and I was looking forward to seeing Painsworth playing full-time NG again.

* Second thought: Haslett makes a mediocre HC. Here are his career HC records:

45-51 w/ the Saints, went 10-6 in 2000 and won the NFC West but then went just 35-46 from 2001-2005, before being replaced by Sean Payton.

2-10 w/ the Rams, including our 19-17 loss, in my first ever game at FedEx Field. UGH.....

6-0 w/ the UFL Tuskers, but lost to Las Vegas in the UFL Championship.

* Third thought: After checking other sources, it appears as thought Haslett IS being brought in to run a 3-4 defense with the 'Skins. Sweet.

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* Fourth thought: I went back and checked where Haslett's teams (as DC and as HC) ranked in the league in 4 categories: scoring defense, total defense, pass defense and run defense. On average, a Haslett-coached team ranked

 

21st in the league in points allowed

18th in the league in total yards allowed

14th in the league in passing yards allowed

and 21st in the league in rushing yards allowed.

 

Sounds like he's one of those guys who's historically not been good enough to be a top coordinator, but has been just good enough to be employed continuously as a defensive coordinator OR head coach for 12 years, from 1996 until 2008. The fact that his teams have averaged 14th in the NFL in passing defense is impressive, since with the exception of 3 years with the Steelers, Haslett has always coached a defense for a team that plays in a dome. However, the fact that his teams have pretty consistently ranked lower in scoring offense than total offense seems like a bit of a red flag to me. Does this mean his teams are perpetually "unclutch"? Or does it mean that he's always been stuck with crappy offenses? Does it mean anything at all?

 

All in all, I think I would have been happier with Zimmer, but I think Haslett will be just fine as a coordinator.


So, whaddaya think?

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What do you think about the Redskins hiring Jim Haslett for defensive coordinator?
Awesome! He's got the right experience for the job.
62 votes
Could be better. I would have preferred Zimmer, but he'll do.
169 votes
Meh. I don't feel too strongly either way.
96 votes
Bad hiring. The Redskins should have waited until after the playoffs to hire a DC.
65 votes
Random, but Jim Haslett looks like an SS officer.
19 votes

411 votes | Poll has closed

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"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Jan 13, 2010 2:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Updated.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Jan 13, 2010 2:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Former Head coaches usually make for good coordinators

Think about it, Marty Mornhinweg, Dick Lebeau, Cam Cameron, Greg Williams all were head coaches at one point. Now they are great coordinators on their respective teams. Now I really don’t know if that means Jim Haslett will be a great coordinator. I’m just hoping it does.

by JeanBaptiste on Jan 13, 2010 2:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think you've got it backwards.

I’m pretty sure all those guys were wiz coordinators BEFORE they were head coaches. That’s usually the way the progression goes.

(Except for Jim Zorn)

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Jan 13, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, but

after their head coaching stints they all came back as even better coordinators than they were before.

by JeanBaptiste on Jan 13, 2010 4:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Shanahan wanted Haslett because he has experience running the 3-4. So there are signs drawing towards the Redskins running a 3-4 defense next year.

by JeanBaptiste on Jan 13, 2010 2:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

FUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKK NNOOOOOOOOO!!!

This guy sounds like a loser and it will take 3 fucking years for our defense to be ANY good in a 3-4. We are 2 players away from an outstanding 4-3 and about 7 players away from what’s likely to be an average defense at best. If we put Haynesworth at NT odds are he takes off every other fucking play.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

These are my thoughts exactly.

Though I don’t want us to get trapped in a system that is only to appease one player, either. Most of us like Big Al now, but how long before he goes the way of Clinton in our minds?

by Boo. on Jan 13, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I guess my sensitivity thresholds are a little low today. Just kinda disappointed we didn’t get Zimmer. Was surprised at the low-end statistics regarding Hazlett’s record as HC and DC and then someone laid the 34 Bomb on me and it didn’t sit well.

My counterpoint to the above is posted below at a considerably lower blood pressure level.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not worried about his rankings, personally.

He didn’t have any talent to work with in New Orleans or St. Louis.

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some say Zimmer

didn’t have much to work with in Cincinnati, but look what he did.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 13, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We should stop coveting

the one that got away. Current girlfriends never like being compared to ex-gfs.

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If it impresses upon him the fact that we seriously doubt

going to a 3-4 is a good idea – I mean the Revolution continues, Si?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carver

our new girlfriends’ track record is HORRIBLE! How can we not think about what could have been.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 13, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its a project girlfriend

sure she’s been smacked around a few times, but with the right clothes, some makeup and a shave she could be the belle of the ball.

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or

she’s been rode hard and put up wet.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we go 3-4

he doesn’t have much talent to go with, either. I.e. players with skills to match that D scheme.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On the flip side

I don’t know what kind of players have talents to match a Greg Blache scheme.

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It helps to own a pup tent

and camp out about 18 yds off the line of scrimmage.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

100000% completely agree

by les boulez bomber on Jan 13, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you mean when andre carter was young and fresh out of college??? lol what about switching positions on a 31 year old that emphasizes speed over technique and strength is a good idea?

by les boulez bomber on Jan 13, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Updated.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Jan 13, 2010 3:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Last update of the night.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Jan 13, 2010 3:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

3-4 plays to the D's strength?

Moving to a 3-4 would create a crucial need for a NT on a team that already has too many needs this offseason. I’m not sure Haynesworth wants to be a nose tackle and I don’t think it plays to his strenghts either. If we draft a NT (we could get Mt. Cody at 4 if no one is willing to trade with us to move back) or sign Casey Hampton or Wilfork (although the Pats will most certainly tag him) then play a three man line of Cody or Hampton at the nose and Albert and Daniels or Griffin at the 3-4 ends. It seems to me switching the D dramatically creates more needs for a team that already has too many. I guess the LBs would then be London and Blades in the middle with Rocky and OrackemsackemPo, who would thrive, no doubt and be a Demarcus Ware type in this system, at the outside backers. Then you have guys like Andre Carter, Jarmon, and Chris Wilson where you will have to make a decision on whether they are an end or olb, meaning you’ll have guys changing positions also. The more I think about it, maybe you move Rocky inside, if he’s retained of course, and use Andre or Wilson opposite Orakpo. I’ve always wanted to see the Skins try a 3-4 but with so many needs on the offense I’m not sure it uses the talent on D in the best way. The D should be the part of the team that stays consistently good in this transition.

by samthemantis on Jan 13, 2010 5:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

exactly

after a year with a defense that did well despite running a terrible scheme and having a horrible offense, bringing in the 3-4 defense means making massive changes to the only part of the team that was working. Meanwhile the entire OL still needs to be rebuilt and we have an old & high mileage RB who’s well past the peak of his career. We also have a QB who might be replaced by the new regime. So it doesn’t look to me like Shanahan thinks a few minor changes will fix the team – it’s a massive overhaul.

by aFan4Life on Jan 13, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

Carter was an OLB with SF before he put his hand down full time.

by d_c_guy on Jan 13, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And went on record this year

that he never wanted to do that again

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

missed that. But it makes sense, he is excellent against the run in the 43. Hell, he’s excellent in general… another good Vinny signing.

by Boo. on Jan 13, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its amazing how much difference having a bona-fide threat

like Orakpo has made in Andre Carter’s game. It obviously isn’t so much a result of Haynesworth (because Carter and Orakpo maintained production without Haynesworth in the lineup) but noone was using the word ‘excellent’ to describe Carter last offseason.

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. AC struggled in the 4-3

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 13, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you mean when he was young and out of college? what leaves you to believe switching positions on a thirty year old man is a good idea?

by les boulez bomber on Jan 13, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AC struggled his one year as OLB in a 3-4

Daniels and Griffin are done and should not be talked about. Rocky has no position in a 3-4 unless you cut fletcher who would struggle in a 3-4. We would be changing the part of our defense that worked when we really need to fix the secondary which would not change in a 3-4. I like 3-4 but I don’t think you should switch unless it’s broken already and are gonna need 2+ years to fix it anyways.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually

The more I think about it with Cody, Hampton or Aubrayo Franklin from the 9ers at NT, this could be really great. Rocky might be better inside anyway as I think his strenghts are in coverage and tackling in space. Although, Albert would have to buy into it and the 3-4 end spot is notoriously deficient on stats.

by samthemantis on Jan 13, 2010 5:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Haslett coached

teams in NO and St Louis that both threw a beat down on the Skins..his problem has always been teams with horrible talent around him

by terpsez11 on Jan 13, 2010 6:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

3-4 Defense

As I have posted before, I am a proponent of the 3-4. I believe we already have the personal on this team to be effective in the 3-4. Albert can play nose, but he can also play DE. Alaxander could be a great 3-4 DE. I think it is correct in saying one veteran NT can be brought in via FA. Daniels can be released. Monty and CG will be good in the rotation either at NT of DE. Jarmon will be a force I believe at DE in the 3-4 ala Marcus Spears(this if he can come back 100% from the knee injury). Carter, Orakpo and Wilson can be our OLB’s(maybe draft a late rd olb to be in the mix as well), with Fletcher, McIntosh, Blades and Henson manning the middle. Of all these guys I believe Orakpo and wilson will thrive at their new positions. Bothe are ment to play 3-4 olb’s IMO.

by Tiller56 on Jan 13, 2010 6:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carter

came here because he did not want to play LB

by terpsez11 on Jan 13, 2010 7:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Who gives a shit about 1 player.

That was our problem before; putting individuals ahead of the team. If Carter doesn’t like the idea, he can take his 30+ year old ass and go elsewhere.

by Tiller56 on Jan 13, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

disagree

we don’t have an NT, a critical position for a 3-4 to work. Carter left a team because he knows he’s not an OLB. And other than Fletcher, we have a weak LB corps as Orakpo has been good at pass rushing but very poor at pass coverage. 3-4 LBs have to be very athletic and smart so now in addition to rebuilding the OL and other aspects of the offense, we’ll also have to fill lots of holes on defense. Brilliant!

by aFan4Life on Jan 13, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A post that's on point

It’s a 3 year rebuild to be good at it. Yeah, he can switch immediately, but production is all but certain to fall off. Orakpo loves being in the 3 point stance and Carter doesn’t like being a LB. Our two best DE’s now being used improperly will be a disaster.

When Williams was DC here, he sometimes used a hybrid defense, which I liked very much. Example would be when he would drop an athletic lineman like Alexander back into coverage off of the D-line and rush only 3 or 4, but it was a great disguise and it fooled the offense and gave us an advantage on passing downs. Would rather see him do things like that.

by skinsymets on Jan 13, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry I forgot

About the certain dropoff in production that both Green Bay and Denver showed this year, which was by the way, their first year running the 3-4.

by Tiller56 on Jan 13, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You also forget the amount of first day draft picks those teams used on their new D's apparently.

If we had a really high 1st rounder and late first rounder to use on 3-4 players like BG did then maybe there wouldn’t be a Huge dropoff. Of course I’d rather find some O-lineman but maybe we just need to waste all our resources revamping the defensive front 7.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo borderline sucks as LB

really shined on the line.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't wanna be the one to say it

but watching him try to cover a tight end is digusting. That no name from the Lions had a grand ’ole time with ’Rak and it pissed me off.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 13, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My observations exactly

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was good blitzing as a LB

"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."

by KevinE on Jan 13, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rushing the passer

he could do that as a DE.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 13, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He would've been a good strong safety too

if all he ever did was run safety blitzes. Not sure of your point here Kev.

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3-4 OLB fits his skills more

he could develop into a good one there.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 13, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

You can’t deny he is a little undersized. He could develop into a great run-stopper, but a good LT could take him on 1-1 pretty easily at this point in his career. As a 34 OLB, it takes the ambiguity out of his role. He could be as good or better than Ware or Suggs, both of whom are primarily pass rushers and measure up in size.

98 is one of few players that would really benefit from this switch, if it does indeed happen.

by Boo. on Jan 13, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3-4 OLB fits his skills more more than 4-3 OLB

that’s what I was saying. Obviously he’s best suited to 4-3 DE

It’s not hard for me to envision him being a 3-4 OLB, which is a hybrid role. Terrell Suggs doesn’t play much LB, just dominates QBs

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 13, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree that 3-4 OLB would be better than 4-3 OLB but he is best suited for 4-3 DE

He is not undersized that is a BS argument. Most of his success was as a hands down player this year. Take away his DE sacks and he had a really poor year as a pass rusher. He was considered real solid against the run as a 4-3 DE coming out and is incredibly strong. If they want to slowly transisition and play mostly 4-3 I can live with that but I see no reason to blow up this Defense.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks smutsboy.

Finally someone with a not so myopic viewpoint actually saying something intelligent.
Refreshing!

by Tiller56 on Jan 13, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AH will almost have to play full time DE in the 3-4 to be content.

Switch to 3-4 will instantly create holes that they cannot possibly address in one year along with addressing the O – line to. Haslett is a middle of the pack coordinator and always has been. It would be dissapointing to see our D drop off to middle of the pack for two consecutive seasons, I say that because with Haslett and a switch to a 3-4 it’s almost a certainty it will for next season.

I was hoping for Zimmer, but oh well. I wouldn’t be expecting much more than 8-8 next season, even Shanahan will need a few years to turn this thing around to what he wants. Plus the lingering effects of Snyderatto are still upon us(down 2 draft picks). But better times are ahead , no doubt.

by skinsymets on Jan 13, 2010 7:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This could lead to a situation where Shanny has proven to be less than adept - oversight of the Defense

He probably feels by bringing in Hazlett, a previous HC and DC, he can ignore defense and concentrate on O – a double edged sword if Shanny doesn’t give a strong blessing to the overall direction of this Defense, e.g. like a migration to 3-4. I’m not very comfortable with this in general.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like when teams have a coordinator they just hand one side of the ball too

Give it to a guy and let him make it his own. Let the HC concentrate on what he knows.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all over that - but only if H says he's sticking with the 4-3

Just hate 3-4 and we just don’t have the time, energy, money, players to dick with it.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You all do understand

that Zimmer was also being targeted to implement the 3-4 defense right? I posted this a long time ago that with the addition of Shanahan, the 3-4 defense will follow.

by Tiller56 on Jan 13, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no

that was speculation. There was nothing concrete in any of it, not even this. Until it comes straight from the horses mouth, the only thing everybody’s doing is blowing smoke.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 13, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

I agree, but people are talking like we have had a championship defense for the previous decade. We have good, but not great. If a awitch to the 3-4 takes us to the next level, then I’m all for it

by Tiller56 on Jan 13, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no people just recognize our secondary was the problem and don't wanna waste valuable resources

by manufacturing needs just cuz the 3-4 is extra trendy this year. I would rather make small changes and get someone from the Jim Johnson school rather than blow up the D.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we are great at the 3-4 then people are going to have to eat some crow.

I’m not saying our D was bad last year, and I do agree the secondary was a huge problem, but the coaches must feel we have the personal to be successful at this, or there would be no talk of running it.

by Tiller56 on Jan 13, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thats a dubious assertion

and I wouldn’t have to eat anything other than wings. You can have a great defense in either system you just can’t rebuild the O-line and fix the secondary while allocating alot of resources to the front 7.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There is really not much to have to allocate to the front 7.

If carter want no part of a 3-4 olb, let him walk. Between AH, Griffin, Alaxander, Monty and KG, we have the ammo up front. Maybe a vet NT is needed. Wilson, Rak, Fletch and Mc at linebackers. Maybe a FA olb is needed, and maybe a late rd mlb in the draft. That is certainly not too much to deal with.

by Tiller56 on Jan 14, 2010 6:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But WHYYYYY!!!????

Why the fuck are they wasting time and resources with this? We are essentially gutting one of the 2 areas on the team where we have any real depth, our defensive front 7, the other being TE. Again – WHYYYYY!!??

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 14, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3-4 are generally more aggressive

the reason is that as good as our d has been they still struggle with big plays. A more attacking d which switching to a 3-4 usually means, but could be done with a 4-3 as well, would in theory generate more turnovers and big plays. I think a more blitzing approach either way would play to rodgers and halls strenghts who are better man and jam aggressive spot then in zone, i think anyway.

by samthemantis on Jan 14, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you can be aggressive with either system

Griffin is done!! And the 3-4 alignment you suggest sounds like a shit sandwhich? Awesome!!

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 14, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't like it

Haslett has a crappy defensive record, is about a scheme not suited to our personnel, and is most likely coming here to look for another HC spot.
We don’t have the personnel for a 3-4. We have built our defense for a 4-3 for the last 6 years. And now they are a quality defense. Now, we want to change all that up? What is Shanny thinking? Why wouldn’t he bring in a DC that would take what we have and make them better?
I do remember Haslett’s players playing very well for him. They all seemed to bust their asses for him, which is what we need. But we need a defense that will shoulder the load for a year or two until the offense gets their shit together. Is this 3-4 going to automatically going to do that? Hell no.

by monk81 on Jan 13, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I have to assume

…. that Shanahan knows what he is doing. He’s known this guy for 107 years now. So while his record does not bode well, perhaps there were factors involved that we don’t know about.

by Dipper on Jan 13, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You mean the one between real Cowbys and Indians?

er, excuse me, Native Americans. No disrespect intended.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*'Boys (just paddin' the stats)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You meant

*’Girls (also padding the stats)

by bigrm18 on Jan 13, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah yes

who could forget the classic cowgirls vs native americans matchup?

by samthemantis on Jan 14, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hastlett is primarily a 4-3

but has experimented with 3-4

"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."

by KevinE on Jan 13, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So does this have any validity
Third thought: After checking other sources, it appears as thought Haslett IS being brought in to run a 3-4 defense with the ’Skins. Sweet.

by SSBlitz on Jan 13, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-hire-haslett-as-defen.html

He has a reputation for using aggressive defenses and found success with the Steelers using the 3-4 defense, a formation that Shanahan has explored using.

Maybe Haslett (and Shanahan) plans on experimenting with the 3-4 and if it works out he’ll continue to use it, if not, he’ll switch back to the 4-3. But the only source I have of that happening is my opinion.

by bigrm18 on Jan 13, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the 3-4 is better used as a look to confuse offenses

than it is a base defense. Especially with our roster.

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree

And I can only hope that the coaches recognize this as well. Change is definitely necessary for this team, but not this drastic of a change on the defense.

by bigrm18 on Jan 13, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

That guy is a hack.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, he's not.

He just pissed off Redskins fans b/c he told the truth.

He was rarely factually inaccurate or off target. Snyder was a joke and nobody wanted to hear it.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 14, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The way he handled his beef with the skins was childish and unproffessional

I had no problem with him criticizing the FO just thought he put himself into the story too often and everything became about him.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 14, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

beer beer beer

bed bed bed

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 13, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to assume that Shanny will make

Haslett implement a scheme that uses our players to their strengths—just like Shanny said he will do with the offense. I’m not ready to end it all now because some of you guys have been exceedingly quick to announce that we are certain to switch to the 3-4. I have yet to see a source saying that we are going to a 3-4.
3-4 is just the hot buzz-word these days… even if we had hired Zimmer, alot of people on here would assume we were going 3-4 because he ran it for a few years in Dallas. All of these D-coordinators are like women, they may have experimented a little in college but they are not lesbians.

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

+69

For lesbian analogy.

by SSBlitz on Jan 13, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Jan 13, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forward to Rekka as

recommended HHLOD.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec has been acknowledged

will take under advisement, and continue to evaluate throughout the day. Decision will be announced at 5pm EST.

That is all.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 13, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HaHa

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Sounds like you are writing a mission statement for the HogsHaven Laugh of the Day Foundation.

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK - Maybe I overreacted up above

If Haslett comes in with an aggressive scheme and keeps the 4-3 (both possibilities) I can live with this. He is experienced and if he can hang with Our 2 Shannys’ energy-wise this could be good.

I have to presume that Shanny wants to get moving and doesn’t want to wait (potentially) til after the SB to hire a DC from a hot team. Makes sense. But 3-4 will set us back big time!!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

3-4 Defense means we are officially rebuilding -

maybe not a bad thing considering our schedule.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to

use rebulding as an excuse for losing. It’s a cop out. I just wish they would come out and let us fans know.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 13, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I for one made the mistake of reading more than one JeanBaptiste post

which kinda set me off. Hence the maybe I overreacted post above.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Understandable.

I was thinking more about Dback’s definitive “IS being brought in to run a 3-4 defense”

by SSBlitz on Jan 13, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That +2

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In today's NFL you can rebuld in 2 yrs or less

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 13, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GB put in the 34 this season

Had some growing pains early, but ended up pretty strong.

by Boo. on Jan 13, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks to Charles Woodson

doing just about everything a DB can do on the field. (A Michigan Man, I might add)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GB gave up 51 points in their first round playoff loss so what exactly is your point?

by les boulez bomber on Jan 13, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Most of the year they were giving up

I BELIEVE fewer points than our defense. So I guess the point is whatever they did as a unit got them into the playoffs – but they had the league’s defensive MVP helping considerably to make that work.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Points given up is kinda misleading cuz the offense plays into that so much

They were a good D though just saying that stat is kinda misleading.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When you think about it

The stat that only matters in the long haul is wins. And Green Bay most certainly had more wins than we did. Obviously that has a lot to do with their offense as well, but still…

by bigrm18 on Jan 13, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not with our salary cap situation and scouting dept

by les boulez bomber on Jan 13, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GB was an awesome 4-3 defense

who traded away their most consistent D-lineman last year, had some injuries and dropped a little. This year they got healthier, Woodson was a man among boys, and they added 2 promising rookie first round defenders and got better again. I don’t know if the switch contributed at all really. My buddy who’s a packers fan talks about his defense like we do ours and hates how they basically dumped Kampman who was a stud DE and has no place on that team anymore.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if he can hang with Our 2 Shannys’ energy-wise

It is exciting to see energized coaches coming in. After two years of Zorn’s “stay medium” yoga instruction and Greg Blache, it’ll be nice to have a coaching staff that isn’t boring as hell.

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, at times I wondered

if the Sideline Coaches Box had the same mysterious force field about it that the goal line had for most of the season. No emotion crossed the line – even during the D-Hall fights if I recall correctly.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

I’d like to see just a little of that transfer into JC’s demeanor. As a whole, Medium = average = mediocrity = playing not to lose = losing.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind sitting on a lead at times

just not on a 2 point lead in the beginning of the second quarter.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm tired

of Blache’s bend but don’t break philosophy. I want an exciting defense. Maybe Haslett can bring that to the table. I want a secondary that hits again. A secondary that takes picks to the house. A defense that people fear. The 3-4 revolution is like the wildcat revolution, except it works. Rak is perfect for it. Chris Wilson could turn into a legit playmaker in a 3-4. Fletch and Rocky in the Middle? It could be scary. Maybe Eric Berry back there.. Just sayin’…

by DoWork on Jan 13, 2010 12:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

you don't need to switch your defense

to get people to actually hit, make interceptions, and be all around disruptive to an offense.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 13, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

and how many O-linemen are we going to be able to pick up if we continue to feed the defense with top round draft picks.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

switching to the 3-4 won Green Bay a playoff game. Oh wait….

by CarverM on Jan 13, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be

Aaron Rodgers and his receivers getting together that caused playoff.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the 3-4 defense is not a better defense than the 4-3. lets get that straight out of the gate. first of all, you have fewer players of size to control the line of scrimmage which is the heart of the game. and it relies on (even more) speed and athleticism over power and technique. it is an easier defense to field with a salary cap and came into existence because it is easier to find a good linebacker than a good defensive linemen. i think that is a mute point with so many teams running the 3-4, though. The 3-4 needs a dominant line to be any good because defensive football has not changed- you need to control the line of scrimmage and get pressure on the QB. Turnovers help a lot but can’t be counted on.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 13, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think either is "better"

You can have great defenses with either they just need completely different linemen and linebackers.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll be honest, I really wanted Zimmer on the team. I was also completely against jumping on the 3-4 bandwagon. With all the new converts to that style of defense I feel like the draft will not have a good supply of players that fit. The top 3-4 prospects will probably be reached for as well. We do not have the personnel for this style of defense. Maybe a for a hybrid 3-4/4-3. Whatever that is.

So yeah I was against it for many of the same reasons people are on here.

BUT, then I read this:
http://www.homermcfanboy.com/2010/01/13/learning-from-leonsis/#respond

I’m not trying to plug this or anything I just think it was a great read. Something we should foward to dan snyder 1000 times a day.

We have to be honest with ourselves, we are undergoing major rebuilding now. 4-12? We’re talking 3 years before we can compete. So if converting to a 3-4 and cleaning house is what it will take to build a championship roster then we need to do it.

So lets gets some realistic expectations here in redskin nation. We are not going 8-8 next year. We are not 2 players away from a playoff roster. We need Dan the ding king snyder to give this new staff time to build something here. Time measured in years not months.

A pick and a prospect. That’s what the caps operated on, the redskins could learn a lot from the 1 successful team dc has left.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Jan 13, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

we were an 8-8 team with a real coaching staff and competent GM who did not forget to field 25% of the team. We could have plugged the holes in the draft and been 8-8 even with our schedule next year. We have a lot of talented players.

caps had the top pick in a game that starts 6 players! but i love ted’s philosophy. hope it carries over to the bullets!

by les boulez bomber on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just think we’re kidding ourselves if we think the redskins have a chance to be competative next year. We have to rebuild, no matter what Bruce says. I wish they’d just be honest about it. We don’t want to continue to maintain a 8-8 at best team. We want to build a championship roster.

So once I accepted that we are indeed rebuilding; that Shanahan can’t waltz in here and run us to the playoffs in 1 year, a 3-4 conversion didn’t seem so bad. Guys on the defense like fletcher will be done in a few years even if we stick to a 4-3. So going 3-4 and phasing out the old defensive guard bothers me not at all.

As far as i’m concerned there’s like 3 players on defense with an upswing.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Jan 13, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we have a chance to be competitive next year

Not that we should count on it or anything but to act like there is no hope and we should blow everything up is stupid. We can improve long term while still trying to win. There are maybe 3 teams a year with no chance and we are not one of them IMO. Do I expect a winning record next year? No, not really but it certainly isn’t impossible and it’s not like the NBA you can rebuild parts of your team without blowing up the working parts for no reason other than it is a shiny new toy.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t get me wrong there is always some hope. We might, maybe, possibly, win a few games and get to 8-8 next year. I wouldn’t put my money on it personally. I wont be riding the hype train to happy town like I did last year. I was so sure we’d be in the playoffs right now..heh

We use terms like “plug the holes” and “become competative”. What this team needs is a philosophical change away from “plug some holes and try to get into the playoffs.” We need to build a championship roster not just aim for 8-8 or 9-7. That starts with a plan and working from the ground up. After the plan you lay a foundation and if part of that foundation is a 3-4 defense and requires a couple years to retool then so be it. I would glady give up the next 2 seasons to rebuild into a perennial contender. For the last decade we keep telling ourselves we don’t have to rebuild. We don’t have to rebuild…okay whatever floats your boat.

I’m not saying the team shouldn’t try to win with what they have. I’m just saying that they really only have a couple of players on both sides of the ball to build around. The rest are aging vets of expendable unproven quantities. So changing offenses and defenses isn’t really hurting us as much as some might think.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Jan 13, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not just agree - we will rebuild, draft/create a foundation and

form the nucleus of a championship organization. Let’s plan on at least 3 years to do it all! Still no need to go to a 3-4. So let it rest.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Our new rallying cry?

Our fatties are less studly than yours are!! :)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you're exaggerating a bit

He still needs a stud player or two. Especially at LT or C

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 13, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed Smuts

Shanny def. felt the need to use a first rounder on Clady(one of the very best LT’s in the game IMHO).

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck the 3-4.

 The only way this abomination, this dumb excuse for a defensive system to work is if we have absolutely dominating and huge LBs across the board and Carter refuses to play LB, we have Osackpo and Fletcher and thats it. Fletcher would be terrible in a 3-4 because he would have to deal with OL coming to the second level and blocking him and he is too small for that. We will absolutely destroy the only strength this team has if we switch to the retarded 3-4.

by Area 51 Forever on Jan 13, 2010 5:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

In a manner of speaking....YES.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 13, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why should we want to be the Bronco's D?

Football Outsiders has them ranked 1 spot ahead of us on Defensive efficiency. Are they so awesome we have to emulate them? Do we feel being slightly better than what we were this year is great?

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 13, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats not my point about being the Broncos D

The point is you dont need huge LB’s as 51 suggested to be successful in the 3-4.

by Tiller56 on Jan 13, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they did not even make the playoffs so i would not consider them successful AT ALL

by les boulez bomber on Jan 14, 2010 7:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All you 3-4 haters need to crawl back into your holes.

All people seem to want to do is bash everything thats foreign to them. Please try and realize we haven’t been relavant in the last decade. its not like were tearing apart a dynasty here and building from the ground up. For shits sake, lets give this a chance before shooting it down and acting like a bunch of fucking cry babies. If the staff feels we have the personal to run the 3-4 and they decide to give it a try, we need to trust their decision. They obviously know more about football, and what it takes to be successful than us fans.

by Tiller56 on Jan 13, 2010 5:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i dont hate the 3-4. if the players were in place and it were the system that we ran well, i would fight just as hard to keep it.

i HATE the thought of another 3-5 year rebuilding program following 18 crappy seasons first and it is amplified by the fact the coach who is overseeing it is sixty years old and will not be around to run it for long once these pieces are in place.

dan snyder sells dreams. and u r falling for the next one. 3-5 years from now, there might even be some excitement about returning to our 4-3 roots or redskin football or something.

i am excited about bringing in better coaches. at least the team will be disciplined and professional. but breaking up the only salvagable part with all the player movement restrictions is flat out stupid. hire one person who can oversee coaching this existing group to their potential and add pieces over time that complement them or what he would ideally like to do.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 14, 2010 7:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 14, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

And you didn’t sound crybaby-ish in the least.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 14, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't take 5 years to rebuild a roster

people need to stop claiming this.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 14, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

tell me about it- we are at 18 years and counting- lol

by les boulez bomber on Jan 14, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Haslett was coaching the Florida TUSKERS last year!

I am not feeling too good about these moves.
Allen said we would add to what we already have to be competitive right away.
Shanahan said he believes in coaching to a teams strengths.
We didn’t even interview one of the best DC prospects out there, Perry Fewell.
If they are going to blow this team up, then fine, but have the nads to tell
your fans: “We are going to tear this thing apart and rebuild from zero.”
Then again, maybe they just did !

by johnnydee83 on Jan 13, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you all the way on this, Johnny!!

We’ve been sold a load of crap. Situation normal, all fucked up. And I will be happy to eat crow with my wings if I’m wrong, but it’s one of those situations that pretty fucking obvious – like not drafting for O-line this past decade.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jan 14, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

reply fail

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 14, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

geeze Scott, are you ever NOT here ;)

jk.

But I’m with you on this one. Usually I’m the sit back and not predict failure when it comes to this team. But this hiring does not sit right with me for some reason.

If it turns out well, I’m gonna need you to break me off a piece of that crow, but right now I am freakin worried about our defense.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 14, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't love remaking the defense, but simply put: I trust Shanahan to hire coaches

And I trust him to utilize the talent he’s given (or, if it’s worthless, replace it).

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 14, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

you trust shanahan because of his track record, right?

so why is it so bad that a lot of people, including myself, DON’T trust Haslett based on his?

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 14, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not an accurate parallel of reasoning.

one is a head coach/GM, the other is a coordinator.

the responsibility levels alone make it a false comparison.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 14, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe

but the fact that shanahan has never been known as a defensive minded coach means that the brunt of the work WILL end up falling on his D-Coordinator, the same coordinator whose track record sucks.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 14, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I trust Shanahan for Offensive decisions. His defensive track record has me a bit worried. We’ve had a playoff calibre defense for the past few years, fix what’s broken first.

by SSBlitz on Jan 14, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

“We’ve had a playoff calibre defense for the past few years, fix what’s broken first.”

by aFan4Life on Jan 14, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see Shanahan blowing up the defense without adapting as a coach

Especially after I read this.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 14, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

almost of what Gruden said there is on the offensive side. And Shanny’s defensive track record isn’t stellar, but it is comforting to know we have such a smart football mind in charge, finally.

by Boo. on Jan 14, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

beat me to it

had it had anything to say about the defensive side of the ball, it would have made me think about it a bit more.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 14, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not a trait that's going to be one-sided though

Adaptability is a great trait and I’m really excited about Gruden’s history with it.

My expectations would be that someone wouldn’t be that way for offense, but be radically different about defensive personnel.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 14, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Never in my wildest dreams

would I expect smutsboy1 to look at the glass as half-full.

I also trust Shanahan, and I think its incredibly refreshing that no one has used the tired old anti-Snyder rhetoric in this discussion at all.

But I do share the same trepidation about a potential switch in scheme, and if that decision has in fact been made, it puts an early strike against Shanny in my book. A long-term rebuild plan isn’t the worst thing in the world. But we have some of the premier defensive players in the league on our team, I just hate to think we would spoil the opportunity to be great.

by Boo. on Jan 14, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm very high on Shanny-as-coach

And pretty low on Shanny-as (the real) -GM

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 14, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that sound about right

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Jan 14, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

High on Shanny but skeptical about the move to 3-4

Now if they said they want to slowly transistion and start drafting guys who can play in either system I can get behind it. If they’re like “hey the 3-4 is hot now” and move to a 3-4 next year I will be not so enthused. We don’t have the resources teams like GB and Den. did to allow them to transistion smoothly. GB could afford to basically throw away one of the leagues best 4-3 DE and still be a good defense. I don’t think we have enough talent to run a good player or 2 off and we certainly don’t have the secondary to be succesful right now. Like I said though if they just started drafting the next 2 years with an eye towards switching and they waited till they had the people I have no complaints. Personally I would have rather signed an Eagles assistant and be able to be super aggressive without getting as many new players.

by BayAreaBullet on Jan 14, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we switch to the 3-4 defense

That would be the equivalent of drafting a QB with the 4th pick overall and just saying “not only are we retarded when it comes to personnel and system decisions, but fuck this season and next we are going to start to try winning again in 2012.”

by Area 51 Forever on Jan 14, 2010 8:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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