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New York Times breaks down the statistics and it shows that Zorn's play-calling was too conservative to be successful.

2 months ago Superbowl_tiny KevinE 24 comments 0 recs  | 

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Decent article.

I like his messaging, though I think he was cherry-picking the numbers to get his opinion across. Portis’ numbers did fall in the second half, he blames it on the knee-hit against the Steelers. I think the offensive line got depleted which stopped Portis from finding holes and didn’t give Campbell enough time to let receivers run their routes.

by SSBlitz on Sep 9, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I think he was cherry-picking the numbers to get his opinion across.

And that is exactly what ever sports writer, and nowadays sports blogger, does repeatedly. I wish I could rec that statement more than once.

by superjuan on Sep 9, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know, I didn’t really think there was too much odd picking and choosing there. Mostly just ‘when the running game slowed down it took away passing options and make Campbell’s job a lot harder’ with a micro focus.

I agree on Portis’ decline in production, though.

by David M. Getz on Sep 9, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how did he cherry pick the numbers?

Joyner is one of the more numerically honest writers out there. Few are on his level, IMO.

His analysis certainly has flaws, it fails to account for our bad OL, for example. But I don’t think he cooked the numbers.

by smutsboy1 on Sep 9, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not a big fan of the head coach calling the plays.

by pas493 on Sep 9, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agree.

a HC calling plays and coaching QBs, and running the offense.

by smutsboy1 on Sep 9, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think alot of it had to do with our o-line getting hurt, but alot of it had to do with us being predictable. We didn’t really do anything in the second half of the season that was different from the begining of the season so teams were defensively prepared for us. They knew how to stop us.

by travisjh86 on Sep 9, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

There were most certainly times when I felt we were playing not to lose, instead of playing to win last year. However, I also felt that way the year before last with Gibbs at the helm.

by bigrm18 on Sep 9, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

speaking of problems

just read this piece about another way to look at the Brandon Marshall situation. I never disliked DHall in the first place anyways, but it was cool to read. I’m happy that he’s playing for us now.

Not Always as It Seems

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 9, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

???

When I clicked on the link it carried me to a place to get ringtones. I could be wrong, but I don’t think that was the link you wanted to post was it?

by bigrm18 on Sep 9, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah it wasn't what I was trying to get you to

sorry about that

Take Two

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 9, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well I'm pretty oldd school

but the theory goes, it doesn’t matter if you’re predictable, it only matters if you execute. It’s not like the Packers disguised what was coming, but they executed it so well with their personnel it was a motha to stop. I almost wonder if that is what Zorn was trying to get across to his team, master a few plays before we start going into Steve Spurrier mode, problem was, the team didn’t either a) execute the plays properly, b) have the personnel to execute the plays, c) have any faith in the game plan d) any combination of the poo poo platter above.

Lets face it, as fans, it seems like we have a pretty good feeling about what is coming, be it on offense or defense. It’s a matter of stopping it, like Brady to Moss on the post pattern. Good luck.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Sep 9, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well said

“Ours’ns against Yours’ns”. Nothing better in football. ’50 gut all day – Randy White STILL has nightmares.

by CJHutch on Sep 9, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really

have to think that it was a combination of both — JCam having a hangover from the 1991 offense of Gibbs 2.0, and Zorn responding by calling easier/less risky plays. Perhaps Zorn overcompensated a bit.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 9, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah...

plus our O-line suck(s/ed).

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 9, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus our O-line suck(s/ed).

I don’t think our O-line sucks this year. We all seem to forget that in the beginning of last year people were actually comparing this line to the original Hogs because Portis was runnin’ wild and Campbell was rarely sacked. Also, our 1st string O-line didn’t give up a sack in the preseason against some of the best defenses in the entire league. Yes it was preseason, but it was still refreshing to see.

If the O-line stays healthy (even though the odds are stacked against them) I wouldn’t be one bit surprised to see them regarded as one of the best in the league. If they all start to fall like flies due to injury then that’s a completely different story… last year’s second-half story.

by bigrm18 on Sep 9, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree and have felt this way all along. When healthy, I think our OL is pretty damn good. Maybe even top-10 good. But, just like last year, we are going into this season without competent backups (with the exception of Rinehart), especially at OT. It just doesn’t make any sense, considering how Samuels goes down on an annual basis.

by VA_Skin on Sep 11, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Redskins for some reason are fascinated with Mike Williams and the possibility of him being a quality backup at some point. Based on the preseason I don’t see how he can get any worse. However, I don’t think any of us want to risk the chance of Williams having to go in for Samuels/Heyer if one of them go down. Nonetheless, it seems as if the Redskins don’t mind that possibility, or are at least willing to risk it.

by bigrm18 on Sep 11, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could be

because he’s approximately the same size as a Killer Whale.

Posting 65 comments/day since June '07.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 12, 2009 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely

think Zorn’s play calling turned conservative once he saw how easy it was for us to LOSE a game.

But the statement

Zorn won that job in part because his aggressive play-calling pedigree would suggest that he would use a go-for-broke game plan.

I don’t think Zorn HAD a “play-calling pedigree.” Holmgren called the plays in Seattle. Now, I do agree that Zorn was very aggressive in the beginning of the season (ESPECIALLY in the 1st Philly game), but I don’t think he came in with any sort of reputation.

by CJHutch on Sep 9, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think Zorn HAD a "play-calling pedigree."

I don’t really know how you can have a play-calling pedigree as a QB coach anyway.

by bigrm18 on Sep 9, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

By the end of the year the defensive game plan against the Skins was to stack the line to stop Portis and double Moss (and check him at the line to disrupt the patten). Zorn did not adapt to this and continued the same play-calling…run, run, pass, punt. Zorn’s play-calling got slower and slower too, many times getting the play in so late that we were hurried getting to the line and drew illegal formation or illegal shift calls. Not to mention the D could get a great jump when the play clock is a one sec against a gimpy o-line. I would have liked to see Moss go in motion more to help get him free off the line or use shotgun more to help with the rush, but Zorn did not adapt. I think I saw a stat where jc was 7/7 out of the gun, why was this not called/used more?

by liger99 on Sep 10, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's face it

Whether or not Zorn has what it takes to be a successful play-caller remains to be seen. Snyderrato has really rolled the dice on this one.

by VA_Skin on Sep 11, 2009 2:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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