I Think, Therefore IM - Hogs Haven Pre-game Discussion With Big Blue View
I recently had the opportunity to exchange a back and forth with the blogger for the Giants' SB Nation home, Big Blue View. Ed over at Big Blue View is a great counterpart to talk football with...too bad he roots for the team in blue. Our IM conversation after the jump...
BigBlueView42: In your preview piece you listed the Redskins as a 10-6 playoff team. What really makes you that optimistic?
HogsHaven: Haha...Yeah, we are really standing alone there huh? First, I think this roster is improved from last season. I think our defense is at least as good if not better than last season. And I think that some of the lesser known quantities in the league--Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Fred Davis, Brian Orakpo--will make positive impacts. The schedule favors a quick start, and I am of the mind that in his second season, Coach Zorn can sustain any momentum built in the first half which is where he fell flat last year.
HogsHaven: Finally, every season, a team like ours surprises. We are not a bad team. We are capable of being the team that jumps up this season.
BigBlueView42: OK. So, the Zorn question. I wondered last year, and I still wonder. Is this guy, in your mind, up to being a quality NFL head coach?
HogsHaven: In short, yes. As a former player, he brings his own perspective as far as how a player wants to be dealt with and I have found his demeanor and style to be refreshing. If he can eliminate time management mistakes (which are unacceptable), and get the plays in more efficiently, I think he will get the wins necessary to be given the opportunity to stick around.
HogsHaven: It's all about wins right?
BigBlueView42: of course
HogsHaven: What about Coughlin? How many years did his Super Bowl buy him?
BigBlueView42: As many as he wants, to be honest. Don't forget, he also has four straight playoff appearances. I think only Indianapolis has matched that. TC will stay as long as he wants, which no one would have believed at the start of the 2007 season.
BigBlueView42: You mentioned a few names. Any other Redskins we might not know about who we should watch for Sunday?
HogsHaven: Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly are players weare going to be watching for here in D.C.! We think they are ready to contribute, but until they do it in a game, we simply have no idea. On defense, LaRon Landry and Chris Horton will have to be patient and smart if we are going to be able to keep Eli in check.
HogsHaven: If Haynesworth has a great game, it will be guys like Orakpo, Andre Carter, and Philip Daniels who show up in the stat box.
BigBlueView42: Ok, let's wade into the controversy of the week. How many minutes after Sunday's game do you think it will take for the Redskins to cut Andre Woodson?
BigBlueView42: He is terrible, by the way.
HogsHaven: Haha...yeah, that move was dubious, eh? We shall see. As you have alluded to, he will never see the field, and I wonder what kind of value he has even in running the scout team offense.
HogsHaven: Keep in mind though, that our QB situation is tenuous...we are basically in a one-year wait-and-see spot with the position.
BigBlueView42: One serious comment about Woodson. He will look great in practice. He throws a nice ball and looked great in camp. In two seasons, though, it never translated to the field.
HogsHaven: Am I mistaking him for someone else or is he pretty mobile?
BigBlueView42: He can move around. Just mistake-prone. It always looks like the game is too fast for him.
HogsHaven: I wonder if he would be adept at running a scout team wildcat formation in practice.
BigBlueView42: OK, here's a question I always ask rival bloggers, and it's your turn since you and I have never done this. If you could have one Giant to plug into your lineup who would it be? Why?
HogsHaven: Great question...I hope I don't let you down:
BigBlueView42: I always love the answers to this one. I am constantly surprised by what people say.
HogsHaven: Osi Umenyiora would have to be my guy. We have lacked an elite DE for a while and he seems to just get right to the QB. RB Brandon Jacobs and G Chris Snee would be two offensive guys I would take. And Kenny Phillips is intriguing at safety. But Osi is a huge talent and would fill a need for us right now.
BigBlueView42: Interesting thought. Osi, by the way, looks fully recovered from his knee injury. I am hoping for a big year from him.
HogsHaven: Brings me to my biggest question: how will your defense look without Spagnuolo?
BigBlueView42: By the way, if I was allowed to take a player from you and put him with the Giants I think it's an obvious choice. Santana Moss. The Giants definitely have the wrong Moss, and Santana would answer the Giants biggest question.
BigBlueView42: Well, I honestly don't think there should be any big change. Bill Sheridan was hired because he worked for Spags, and he was kept on (he had been LB coach) to run the same system. That said, there are huge personality differences between the fiery Spagnuolo and the more cerebral Sheridan. You may not see quite as much blitzing from the Giants, but that is because they have loaded up so much on the front I think they are hoping to get there with four, maybe 5, rather than selling out like they had to do last season.
HogsHaven: Which receiver for you guys is going to emerge as a guy Eli can depend on?
HogsHaven: Seems like Eli is a bit frustrated.
BigBlueView42: Frustrated? I wouldn't say so. Last season when things fell apart maybe, but not now. As for who he can depend on, Domenik Hixon and Steve Smith will start, but ... the guys to watch for as the season develops are No. 1 pick Hakeem Nicks and second-year guy Mario Manningham (more on next screen).
BigBlueView42: Nicks has been terrific the past two weeks, and I believe he will eventually replace Hixon. Manningham is an explosive, raw guy with a lot to learn. But, if he learns he could be fabulous. I also think/hope/pray the Giants will feature tight end Kevin Boss early in the season. He is much bettter than people realize, and could be a tremendous weapon.
HogsHaven: Yeah, the best quarterbacks really use their tight ends well.
HogsHaven: I guess I thought I saw Eli look a little chagrined at various points this preseason as he threw it to the right place and guys like Mario and Hakeem were not there.
BigBlueView42: It's really a case of usage. Tom Coughlin and Kevin Gilbride are very traditional in their thinking with the tight end, and don't generally feature him unless it's in the red zone.
BigBlueView42: Well, Eli realizes there will be mistakes. There were a couple in the pre-season. The thing is, the Giants are built to win with defense, especially early on. It's up to the defense to carry this team while Eli and his receivers smooth out the wrinkles. That's why the Giants loaded up with Michael Boley, Chris Canty and Rocky Bernard.
BigBlueView42: Give me your pick for Sunday. I will say Giants, 20-14.
HogsHaven: We are definitely led by our defense, but I find that fans in this league will boo their offense even when the main job of the offense on a team with a shut-down defense is to control the clock and be efficient. Will the Meadowlands rain down boos on Eli if they become a game management unit?
BigBlueView42: Yes, it will most likely. Impatient folks, but I'd hope that people understand there will be some ugly-looking plays and some bad days along the way. I think, though, that this offense should be much bettter at the end of the season than it is at the beginning.
HogsHaven: prediction: Skins over Giants 24-20. Eli fumbles late to put us in position to lock it up.
HogsHaven: Fumble caused by Orakpo
BigBlueView42: Thanks, Ken...enjoy the game (but not too much)
HogsHaven: You too
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Intelligent analysis
and convo. But like you said, too bad he’s a Giants fan
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
by Rekka on Sep 9, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good luck from a Giants fan
obviously I’m rooting for the Giants to win, but I’ve been a Jason Campbell fan since he was at Auburn, and spending the last 4 years living just outside DC (Bethesda & Silver Spring) I can say that I really have no hard feelings towards the Skins or their fans. I definitely pull for you guys when you go up against the Eagles and Cowboys, at the very least. So good luck starting in week 2
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I always
find it funny how many fans of other NFC East teams I encounter who have respect for Campbell. Last season I randomly started BSing with a few Cowboys fans (at least they were legitimately from Texas and here for work, not Never-Been-To-Texas Cowboys fans) who I ran into at a bar in Silver Spring. They had nothing but respect for JC17 and saw him as a threatening presence in the division. I was just like tell every Skins fan you meet that. The animosity from some Skins fans towards him is ridiculous.
by SkinsOsTerps on Sep 9, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny thing is
I actually like the QB’s of all 4 NFC East teams. I have a tremendous amount of respect for what Donovan McNabb has put up with in Philly, and can’t deny that the guy has been a mostly great QB. I like Romo b/c he comes from a 1-AA school (I went to Delaware) and I think he’s fun to watch, even though I hope every pass he throws is a pick 6. And I’ve just always liked Campbell, and while I don’t think he’s as good as McNabb, I don’t think he’s been given a fair shot from a lot of Skins fans.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attending games at both RFK and FedEx...
…I would have to say that Giants fans are the most good natured of the NFC East bunch. They love and root for their team, but they’re not stupid, fighting serious like Eagles fans. And now let me tell you about the male Eagles fans. (Crack-Boom-Splash)
by benevolent skinsfan on Sep 9, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aagreed about the banter
I expect a shock to the world this week! I think that the skins will put it to’em this time. Remember last opener, Plax KILLED us. His hands were like glue and he was a man among boys in that game!
- don’t expect that conversation from the cowboys though. They still play with lincoln logs.
by brettpedigo on Sep 9, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Giants Fan Here
Out of our NFC East Rivals I hate you the least. Good luck on the game.
by Lucky7 on Sep 9, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im not hating on giants fans here, but some ive met are REALLLY cocky about their super bowl. they think it entitles them to the best team in the nfl title (which belongs to the colts in my opinion)
by Shaffi3 on Sep 9, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How does it belong to the colts? Just wondering…
by travisjh86 on Sep 9, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly
I think it’s less the Super Bowl and more the fact that from the last regular season against the Patriots two years ago until Plax shot himself, the Giants WERE the best team in the NFL, hands down. I think most of us just believe that 99% of that talent is still there, and the loss of one wide receiver, no matter how good he is, shouldn’t be enough to make us the 2nd or 3rd best team in the division, let alone the league.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to pretend
I hope we go into New Jersey and punch those Midgets right in the mouth with a WIN.
by VA_Skin on Sep 9, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and kick 'em
in the groin, and shiv ’em in the kidney, and bite off their nose, rip off their ear, hang ’em by their fingernails, drive 4 inch nails into their knees, hook it up to 240 volts, turn it on and leave it til they shut the power off.
Other than that, I just wanna see a nice, clean game.
by CJHutch on Sep 9, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Throw out the predictions, who has the advantage Sunday?
QBs: My heart says a push, but have to give Eli a slight advantage right now.
RBs: Push, Portis vs. Jacobs
WRs/TEs: Skins
OL: Giants
DL: Giants (Still a scary bunch, Big Al could change the tide though)
LB: Giants
DB: Skins
ST: Giants
Should be a good one, I really think we can sneak out of the swamp with a big W. I haven’t watched much of the Giants in preseason but I think they are going to have to rely heavily on the ground game, their WRs aren’t very impressive and I think are DBs are a lot better than advertised. I also think our passing game is ready to EXPLODE with Moss and Kelly on the outside and ARE where he should be naturally. I’m feeling good guys!
by pas493 on Sep 10, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I liked this post because
I feel almost exactly the same about our secondary and your receivers (with the exception of Moss. Sneaky little git). Our secondary will open some eyes when Kenny Phillips lays someone out, and Webster is turning into a premier lockdown corner (check out his stats on passes thrown against him. Best % in the league). And I think if you look at the RB’s it’s not fair to just go one on one, because the Giants will not wear Jacobs out by week 9 like the Skins do to Portis. I’ll take Bradshaw and Ware as complementary backs over Betts and ….? But none of this matters at all, because we are only two and a half days away.
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 10, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Betts is a gamer
They use him more and keep Portis healthy… the Skins seriously could be the 07 Giants just waiting to happen.
by brisulph on Sep 11, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I agree wholeheartedly
when they are playing the Girls or the Iggles, I am definitely rooting for the Skins.
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 10, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
except the LB… though I admit I know little about your LB corps. Are they bad or just middling average like the Giants set?
by brisulph on Sep 11, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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