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Offense/Defense; A 2 Part Series

 

Hey everyone,

First time poster so please be kind. Sorry for the long rant. Ken has seen some of my lengthier emails. The debacle yesterday has moved me to action. This team is in disarray and with the current cast I am not sure if it is fixable. I will post my 2 part series, first delving into the defense, or so called strength of our team.

 

Pressure: I don’t care what Greg Blache says about pressuring the QB being overrated. I have been saying it forever. We could have Deion Sanders, Champ Bailey, Rod Woodson, and Ronnie Lott in their prime playing in our secondary and it wouldn’t matter. If you give Quarterbacks 5-7 seconds on every play to go through their progressions, someone will be open. You especially don’t sit back and let a rookie QB get comfortable in the pocket. Blitz them, reduce the amount of time they have to go through their progressions, make them, make quicker decisions (less downfield throws), and hurry their throws (make them make mistakes). Then your secondary has to cover less time and on a shorter field.

 

Cushion on coverage: 3rd and 4 yards to go, 3rd and 1 yard to go, 3rd and whatever…..our secondary plays 10 yards back…..every time. We give cushions to receivers that are almost always beyond the first down markers. So, not only are we not pressuring the QB, we aren’t pressuring the WR either…….huh. We give the receivers a running start to get into their routes and breaks. Of course this makes it harder on our secondary, especially when the QB is taking their sweet old time deciding which open guy to throw the ball to.

 

Orakpo: Ok, so why does he get a category unto himself?????? He’s a Defensive End and yet we have this notion he will be more important as a Strong side LB. The one time they seemingly played him at Defensive End, he gets a sack, imagine that. I think our defense, especially given our non-propensity to blitz, is better if you play Orakpo at Defensive End and Chris Wilson at SLB. There is a reason that D-ends have such a high Franchise tag value in relation to the LB position. It’s because the NFL and 31 other teams have recognized that for a LB you can get away with a marginal talent who possesses certain skills (i.e. you can game plan around their deficiencies). It is much harder to game plan sacks if your players don’t have pass rushing skills. Orakpo seems to have those rare skills yet we seem hell bent on not using them and instead making him a marginal player.

 

I have discussed this with CJ Hutch and reiterate this here. The defensive scheme we run, seems to me, to be designed for marginally skilled players. Or in other words this defense would benefit a team that lacks talent on the defensive side of the ball and just needs to mitigate the damage the other team makes on offense. It is not a shut down defensive philosophy geared towards the bunch of War Horses we currently possess. Yes I say War Horses. We have a lot of talent on defense, albeit right now they have been hog tied by the coordinator’s defensive philosophy. With the talent we have we should be blitzing, blowing up gaps, hitting WR inside the 5 yard cushion to disrupt their routes, and in general sowing massive chaos.

 

Offenses rely on carefully coordinated movements of 11 players. In many instances disrupting 1-2 of those 11 players will cause a massive disruption in that choreography (think a well executed play-action pass where the Offensive tackle and RB miss their block or get beat by the Defensive End resulting in a sack or incompletion). Basically where an offense is playing a chess game, the defense should be playing smash up derby.

 

How to Fix the defense:

1. Orapko at DE, Daniels to the bench. CJ Hutch would argue Andre Carter to the bench, but I think, hey, teams have been running on us with Daniels in there, so it’s not like we are giving away a position of strength. Get Carter and Orakpo rushing off of the edges.

2. Haynesworth should be used as a grenade. Every play, his role should be disrupting the pocket, period. No gap assignments, only carnage and body parts. Think of him as the grenade the soldier throws in the room before everyone else runs in with weapons ready. The grenade acts to destroy, disorient, and confuse the enemy. There is nothing precision about it. Now say it with me “Haynesworth=grenade.” Let the other players handle the people the grenade missed.

3. Eliminate the coverage cushions. Play our corners up against the line and have them disrupt the receivers. Yes we would be more vulnerable to the long ball but I try to think about it this way; if the defense gets beat on a long pass play for a TD, they gave up 7 points. If they give up a 12-15 play drive for a TD, they give up 7 points, are demoralized, and are now exhausted for the next time they have to get on the field.

4. Blitz, blitz, blitz. Again, I would rather live by the sword, die by the sword. I would argue that we could manufacture as many big defensive plays as we will give up, by attacking an offense rather than letting them dictate what is going to happen after the snap of the ball. We have some hard hitters on this team, so let’s say the QB avoids the blitz and makes the throw. Let Landry, Horton, and Rogers make the receiver pay for making the catch. As noted above, if we effectively apply pressure the QB is more likely to make a hasty throw putting their receiver in a less ideal situation (hard catch, open to a big hit, eyes not up field etc. etc.).

 

So……..that’s my thought on the Redskin’s defense in a nutshell. Feel free to comment. Be easy on my as I’m a newbie.

 

 

 

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I agree

but you can not win the Indy 500 with Peewee Herman driving, even if you have the fastest car…….our coaching just isn’t there…..game plans/schemes are just not getting it done….they just do not know what they are doing…..I will get my people to call your people and see if we can get you in touch with Danny’s people…I like your style

Tony A

by JNZO on Sep 28, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Point

The Defense is based on skilled players, not exceptional players. The Redskins have a chance to dominate with an exceptional Defense based on the players however it’s not being coached that way and it’s showing…Clean house, right now all the coaches!

by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In general I agree

but with a few tweaks. I would blitz every down but mix it up so they won’t know what to expect.

I do like the idea of Orakpo going to DE and quite frankly I’ve never understood the idea of making him a LB. Just follow the old mechanics saying “if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it”. If orakpo plays DE well and gives us the pass rush we’ve been needing then why fix what isn’t broken?

I also hate the fat cushion we’re giving opposing WR’s. Is it an admission that our CB’s are too slow or what?

Boy do I miss the Williams defenses!

by ZakInOmaha on Sep 28, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo on pass coverage:

I only spotted it one time in the Lions game, but Orakpo did not manage to defense against a tight end. The results a drive sustained.

by Jefferson1935 on Sep 29, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally Agree

We do nothing to disrupt the timing of a struggling offense with a rookie QB. Instead we sit back let our undersized speedy corners play 10 yards deep when they should be pressing the line, jumping routes and using there speed to play catch up if they have to. I could go on and on but it’s too depressing…

by skinsfan28 on Sep 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice first post

The defense’s performance so far has been absolutely unacceptable. You highlighted the problems with Blache’s system, but we need to realize that there is a huge lack of talent on this side of the ball, too.

If you use Haynesworth and Orakpo correctly it might make a difference. But it’s time to come to grips with the fact that Rogers and Hall are middle-of-the-road corners with serious weaknesses in key areas, Landry is too undisciplined to scare receivers and make a consistent impact(this might be scheme too), Carter and Daniels are getting older and slower by the week, and when you put it all together its a recipe for mediocrity.

Sorry for the lack of positive spin today. I must have drank some spoiled Kool-Aid, ’cause I feel sick to my stomach.

by Boo. on Sep 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fact that Rogers and Hall are middle-of-the-road corners with serious weaknesses in key areas,

Yeah, their weaknesses are getting beat by double moves when the receiver has a 10 yard head start. If they bump them off the line and disrupt the timing, both Hall and Rogers are fast enough to run with mot receivers in the league.

Landry is too undisciplined to scare receivers and make a consistent impact(this might be scheme too)

Scheme, and COACHING. I remember having to run laps when you make a mistake in HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL! Where exactly is the discipline on this team?

by CJHutch on Sep 28, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss gregg williams

by snowburnt on Sep 28, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post
The defensive scheme we run, seems to me, to be designed for marginally skilled players

It appears that’s what we have.

by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like #3 and #4

I saw a lot of Orakpo and Carter at DE on passing downs in this game. That seemed to work pretty well and they had an okay four man pass rush that way. I think the problem is that they do not biltz and combine that with playing the corners up (#3 and #4 in your post). Seems like other teams do this and get sacks and turnovers….where we do not. Detroit was 10/18 on third down, that seems like why we lost this game. I don’t know why they didn’t bring the house against a rookie qb. All we had to was rattle him early with pressure and we would have won…instead they did not blitz and let him build confidence. Stafford was all over the place with his throws, under a little pressure and he would throw an easy pick. I have no idea why we didn’t blitz him…could be b/c we could not stop the run. Lame coacj=hing and lame effort all around.

by liger99 on Sep 28, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

And I’ve been saying this all along. The best defenses in the NFL blitz and blitz like crazy— Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New York Jets and Giants, Eagles, etc…

I never thought I’d say it, but Blache has lost his aggressiveness. The last straw for me was when he was giving Comcast an interview and he just had a “We shouldn’t be ashamed because the Lions are in the NFL too and they’re a good team…” mentality. To me that’s BS, you lost to a team that was 0-19 coming in, your defense allowed over 380 yards, and you allowed their rookie QB to look like a 10 year savvy veteran that knew all the tricks in the book and shredded us.

Blache, I like you but that just isn’t acceptable. Enough with the “my guys fought hard, and the opposition was a good team” mantra. After that performance you should have been pissed and demanded so much more from yourself, and from your players.

by bigrm18 on Sep 28, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn James

you got a MUCH better reception on here than I ever did. These assholes never welcomed me, and they definitely never complimented me. Bastard. (Of course, they’re probably all just mad because I’m so much smarter than them) Seriously though, I’m glad you made it over. It’s about time.

Anyway, you know that I agree with your sentiment completely. It’s possible Blache has lost his mojo. What’s also possible is that he has caught the same bug that ails Snyder, Cerrato, and probably even Zorn. They are so goddam stubborn that they refuse to change something when people are telling them they are wrong. Blache probably looks at himself as King Leonidas *, with the defense as his 300. The problem is, *THEY ALL DIE IN THE END.

Oh and, as you said. Yes, I would move Carter to the bench. For one, the right defensive end is usually the better pass rusher, and since Andre Carter isn’t really a legitimate pass rusher, that’s a no brainer to me. He has no pass rush moves, and for all the muscles he seems to have, they do him no good because he gets pushed around all the time. As for the other side, I think it’s time for an all around youth movement. I’d put Jarmon over there. He’s in the backfield almost every play he’s out there. He’s also big enough to stop the run. It’s time to see our defensive line of the future. Out with the impotent old, in with the new.

by CJHutch on Sep 28, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I second that.

I was willing to give the Orakpo at LB experiment some time, but that was when I was young and naive and actually believed that this defense would be scary.

There is nothing that we’ve seen to suggest that it even has the potential to be good. I’m so upset about being so far off the mark. Even in the two defensive plays per game when Haynesworth decides to go full throttle, no one else is there to make a play. We said to ourselves over and over, “finally we will see sacks and turnovers.” So far we have 4 sacks, 1 interception, and 1 fumble recovery.

Its scheme and coaching, and if Blache is hesitant to change, Zorn needs to make the executive decision himself, cause its clearly not working.

by Boo. on Sep 28, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAYNESWORTH is doing better than you think !!!!

DO YOU KNOW WHY LONDON FLETCHER LEADS THE LEAGUE IN TACKLES ??
 
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION ? OK I WILL…… ALBERT HAYNESWORTH !!!

Offense linemen that face haynesworth have to hold their blocks against him longer!!! So they can not release and get on our linebackers fast because you need to double or triple team haynesworth!!! Therfore your linebackers can fill the open gaps and make tackles !!! This is basic football 101 !! So haynesworth might not be making alot of tackles but he influencing alot of plays !!! He just needs some help on the D-line !!!!

by LETJASONPASS on Sep 29, 2009 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

but he also needs to be on the field more. He is definitely out of shape, which I blame on the coaching staff as much as the player.

by CJHutch on Sep 29, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

Isn’t he on the field for about 70% of the snaps? At least he was in the Giants game. Meaning, he’s on the field for us more than he was on the field for Tennessee. Yes he did get hurt against the Lions, but also came back out on the field and played, even though he was injured. He’s 6’6" and 350 pounds so he’s not going to be on the field forever, no defensive tackle in the league would be able to.

by bigrm18 on Sep 29, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

the good thing going into the season was the depth we had on the D-line. So I don’t mind him rotating out. But he seems to be doing it more and more. And you can tell he’s exhausted after 2 or 3 plays. Look, I’m not saying I regret signing him, I’m just saying I’d like to see more out of him.

by CJHutch on Sep 29, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know he's having an impact

I’m just so frustrated that it’s not translating into game changing plays. I don’t expect Haynesworth to be the one making them, but everyone else should be taking advantage.

When you watch the Giants, their D-Line blows up the opponents Line completely. They run stunts, push their man into the pocket, blitz LBs, etc. Blache’s gap assignment mentality does not let any of that chaos happen.

by Boo. on Sep 29, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dead wood on the roster:

Wynn has not been active for 3 games and obviously has no future at his age. Some of the other players who have been inactive, while young, don’t have that much of a future either.
While it is not ideal some roster moves should have soon on free agents. However, there is not enough cap room to bring on many veterans.

by Jefferson1935 on Sep 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said

in training camp we should’ve kept Antonio Dixon over Wynn. At least, that’s what a competent GM would do.

by CJHutch on Sep 30, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey cjhutch

not trying to rub this in or anything , but did i not tell you last week washington would maybe score at least 12 points and lose this game , but anyway i think its ashame the offense cant stay on the field a lil longer and score more points that way it would give the defense a lil time to rest instead of being worn down all the time from having to be on the field all the time,

by washingtonwin on Sep 28, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you are perfectly

right. BUT, I’ll bet you wanna blame the offensive woes on Campbell, huh? Well, how about Portis?

i think its ashame the offense cant stay on the field a lil longer

you do that by running the ball. Our run game is right next to non-existent.

by CJHutch on Sep 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It feels like

on both sides of the ball, the players don’t have the mindset that they will be the one to make a game-changing play.

Maybe the coaches have tried to instill a belief in the system as a whole and it has made the players feel like they aren’t as accountable individually. Missed open field tackles, losing one on one match-ups, not finishing routes, not finding holes. Its just awful football from players that we thought had talent.

There needs to be a complete change in mindset going forward.

by Boo. on Sep 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOOKS LIKE TARZAN BUT PLAYS LIKE JANE = ANDRE CARTER !!!!!!

I agree with CJ HUTCH, Carter needs to be benched !!!! He is a waste of muscle !!! I am curious how is it that we all notice that our corners play to far off the receivers but Blache or Zorn doesn’t ?? We need to blitz more on defense and play bump and run more on defense !!! I am tired of watching Landry miss big tackles!!! He spends all of his time running up trying to make the big hit. He is always high so he runs by the ball carrier!!! He ran by S. Jackson on his 57 yard run scrimmage last week and he ran by Stafford and gave him the first down into redskin territory !!! I thought safetys are supposed to make a safe tackle, hence the name safety ??? Somebody please tell L. Landry this !!!!

by LETJASONPASS on Sep 29, 2009 6:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how is it that we all notice that our corners play to far off the receivers but Blache or Zorn doesn’t

Actually, I believe they do. This is Blache’s scheme. It is the “bend but don’t break defense”, only now we’re bending AND breaking. Blache has been quoted as saying he isn’t in to “gimmicks”, and disguises. He also said he doesn’t put as much emphasis on the pass rush as others do. I say it is time for him to be put to pasture. He was a very good D-coordinator at one point, but his time is up. Let Olividatti have a shot at it. He could be a good up and comer.

by CJHutch on Sep 29, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leave for a few days

and the site is burning to the ground. Has there been any rumblings from anywhere about Blache needing to get his shit together?

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 29, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Landry is a disappointment so far……but so is everyone else

Tony A

by JNZO on Sep 29, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Horton isn't

that interference call last night was bullshit

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 29, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call...on the bad call

It’s almost as if the league wanted Detroit to win just to purge the stigma from them stinking things up for so long. But, I’m really not into conspiracy theories, so I agree – a horrible call by the refs.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Sep 29, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was close…….they give those to the WR every time……

Tony A

by JNZO on Sep 29, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100%

I agree with your analysis and I think our personnel are perfect for that plan of attack. The problem is that it goes against the core principles of Blache’s defensive philosophy. Blache essentially wants his defense to prevent the big play/long ball, stop the run, and make the opposing team one dimensional.

by VA_Skin on Sep 30, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you forgot

one thing. No matter what happens – DO NOT BLITZ!!! Pass pressure is not your friend.

by CJHutch on Sep 30, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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