Recap: Redskins vs Lions: Blow it Up
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 9:10 AM EDT
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I'm trying to think of a worse loss in all of DC sports history, and I can't. The Skins not only failed, but they've quit. The Washington Examiner wrote this morning that a player said the team had no energy coming back out for the second half. No rah-rah speeches. Nothing. Does this sound like a team with pride? Does this sound like a team that is behind their coach?
Blow it up. The Redskins could get first and second round picks for a lot of their players. Moss, Portis, Landry, Carlos, Samuels...ship em all out. If the Skins can't win with, why keep them in their prime? The next coach isn't going to want this sorry excuse for a West Coast Offense. Let someone else come in with a clean slate and a ton of draft picks.
As Rick Snider wrote this morning, and I echo, bring in Russ Grimm. He is a proven winner and it's the only move Snyder can make at this point to retain what fans he has left. I will be out of town this weekend for the Tampa Bay game, but you better believe I'd have my paper bag out.
REPORT CARD - F
Offense: D-
Zero yards rushing in the first half. It's hard to give a grade of F when a team puts up 340 yards passing, but being on the field for only 23 minutes is embarrassing. Jason Campbell had decent day, but it's clear now that he has reached his potential. On that interception to Moss where a blitzer came in untouched, Randle El was WIDE OPEN going across the middle. How does a NFL QB not see that? I'll tell you why, he's not a NFL QB. Also, how many times do the Redskins complete a pass 1 yard before the 1st down marker? Run past the line then catch it. Even on 3rd and 2 the Skins throw a 1-yard pass. It's laughable.
Defense: F--
It appears to me Blache could care less about his job. He wanted to retire 2 years ago, and in the post-game conference he said the Lions were a good team. Of course they are when you continually have ZERO pass rush and allow a rookie QB to lead an offense that put up 395 yards. How many f'n times did Matt Stafford stick his tongue out in happiness? Andre Carter has 1 sack through 3 games. Ship him out too. Even if we have to pay part of their salary, do it. The draft pick in return is worth more.
Coaching: F--
A lot of people liked the call to go for it on 4th and 1 in the first quarter, but I thought to myself "you always take 3 points on the road." Zorn continually avoids the bootleg and TE play-action in the short yardage situations.
The final play of the game a hook and ladder with Randle-El and Betts? Really. You HAVE to get the ball into the end-zone. You can't convince me that throwing a hail mary with Marko, Malcolm, and Devin Thomas is less likely to be successful than a hook and ladder.
Punt returns. Why is Randle-El returning punts in the 4th quarter when DET is kicking from their end zone? It makes no sense. Put your best players out there. After all, Tana won the game in DET last year with a punt return. It's baffling.
Effort: F+
It felt like there was a Redskin injured on every single play. London Fletcher continues to shine, still leading the league in tackles. Nine penalties for 97 yards is horrific though. Sonny Jurgensen said it best, "Veterans should not be making mistakes like this." Lack of discipline goes to the top...coaching.
Enough is enough. Ten years of free agents doesn't even get you a .500 football team. Mr. Snyder, please cut your losses and build this team the right way. The fact Zorn did nothing to rally the troops at half-time shows he's lost the team. I've interviewed Zorn on a couple of occasions at Redskins Park. The guy is very likable, but you can't help but think to yourself "this guy has no idea what he's talking about." Spurrier 2.0.
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An honest assesment, with some honesty
I thought Zorn was going to make a good NFL head Coach, I was wrong, he is still a top notch QB coach because campbell is better than he has ever been, but he’s still not good enough…I’m not so sure it depends.
It wasn’t just this game, it was the Giant’s and Ram’s game too, too many veterans have quit or have decided to not compete, and at this point I would let them go…Portis, Cooley, ARE and others. Let the young players play who want to play hard.
Portis, in my opinion one of the best backs in the league and a top running back but he’s quit. Line blocking, play calling and everything else aside a top level talent at RB who cannot get 1 yard time and time again has quit. The line is not great but it’s not the pits either, their are holes he just can’t get it done be it bone spurs or a lack of motiviation. Sit him down, place him on IR…
Zorn, stop calling plays, you cannot do it well, you cannot coach either
Blache, top defenses wreck havoc your defense is not and needs to change or you need to be changed out.
Russ Grimm is a great choice but won’t be the choice since the biggest part which needs changed is the FO, and that is not happening, SELL THE TEAM DAN!
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Portis leans until he falls down
It is the weirdest thing. He just leans on defenders and says on top of them until he hits the ground. He has jumped the shark. He has fallen off Sean Alexander style. You would be lucky to get a 5th rounder for him now.
by brettpedigo on Sep 28, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your grades are right on
except do you really believe the offense deserves a D-? they have scored an average of 13.3 pts/game. and two of the games were against bottom dwellers (oh yeah….guess the skins are there now too).
by grandpa grouse on Sep 28, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This year I have
repeatedly seen plays that I’ve only seen HS and pee wee players make. Once again, I saw the worst man to man coverage in my life on the Lion’s first score. CB never even turned around until the catch had been made on an interceptable ball.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right.
If I have to watch that ugly stretch run to the left one more time this season I think I’ll puke.
by Kurtstack on Sep 28, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have to agree with grandpa
2 OF THE 3 TOUCHDOWNS WERE IN A PREVENT DEFENSE! MY GRANDMOTHER COULD SCORE IN THAT SITUATION!
by ACo on Sep 28, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blow it up.
Those are the three sweetest words I’ve ever heard. Let’s start over and do this thing right. I would be more excited about a rebuilding effort than being forced to watch this joke of a team give games away any longer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Sep 28, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Going to Happen
While Danny is the owner.
by Kurtstack on Sep 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. It's just wishful thinking.
DannyBoy’s ego is much too large to admit his meddling has been a total disaster. That’s why the chance of a dismantling is nil. Also, he and Vinny are joined at the hip and let’s make no mistake about it, that is THE problem. That being said, they can have a fire sale at the end of the season and trade the veterans (minus Cooley, McIntosh, Rogers) for draft picks. Don’t think anyone will be crazy enough to take Haynesworth’s contract though. And of course scrap the coaching staff and the front office. Won’t happen but it’s wishful thinking.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Sep 28, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danny is young
He will be the owner for the next 50 years. So f-ing sad. Look at Peter Angelos. Besides Leonsis, do you have to be the biggest douche bag to own a team in DC?
by brettpedigo on Sep 28, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abe Polin isn't a douche bag?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Sep 28, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you are on crack
That dude s more of a theif than Danny. When was that team a real threat since the 1970’s?
by brettpedigo on Sep 28, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Polin’s the owner, not the GM.
He’s put a lot in to the Bullets/Wizards and into DC itself – and that’s coming from a Caps fan.
by David M. Getz on Sep 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's obvious.
Tom Cruise is the problem.
Seriously though, I don’t really disagree with Zorn’s decisions yesterday. He made gutsy, ballsy calls, and they just didn’t work out. I’d rather have a coach making those calls and failing, than a coach making pansy decisions and failing.
With that being said, something has to change, and I am no longer opposed to the sentiment of needing a new coach or quarterback. We will never be a good team with Cerrato/Snyder. I’m sorry, but we won’t.
by VB O's Guy on Sep 28, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone notice...
that Tom Cruise is starting to look more and more like Michael Jackson?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the NFL
and in the NFL, you don’t pass up sure points. Sure, the TD would have been nice, but the FG was a sure three points.
and in the NFL, you don’t give your opponent another opportunity when you’ve forced 4th down. Again, it would have been nice to stop them, but make them take the three points instead of giving them a chance at seven.
These two play, in the first quarter of the game, called directly by the head coach, lost this game. Everything that followed was expected.
And, I agree, we will never be a good team until Snyder gives up control of the team and let’s football people run it.
by grandpa grouse on Sep 28, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, And never in the first qtr
and in the NFL, you don’t pass up sure points. Sure, the TD would have been nice, but the FG was a sure three points.
and in the NFL, you don’t give your opponent another opportunity when you’ve forced 4th down. Again, it would have been nice to stop them, but make them take the three points instead of giving them a chance at seven.
It’s one thing to look at these decisions in the 4th qtr or 3rd qtr of a tight game, but the 1st qtr, the 1st team drive or after the opposing offense was backedup against the Goal line but now is in FG range…let them take the 3 and be happy! Both of these decsions sealed Zorn’s fate for me, I questioned his play calling in the 2nd game and to make these type of calls in the first qtr of an NFL game…he has no place on an NFL team responsible for decision making.
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey doc
are you my long lost twin? Cause we seem to thinkin the exact same thing on this.
by grandpa grouse on Sep 28, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, was going to "honk" but
then realized it was a grouse not a goose. It’s the basics and Zorn does not get it.
He’s lost the veterans, they have quit and he should set them all because they are being paid to play a game.
IR Portis today
Inactives next week would be veterans: Betts, ARE, Moss; the young players at least have a heart to play the game.
Stop play calling
And Snyder rebuilds again at the end of the year…Too bad he won’t sell the team
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey
i gotta couple bucks in my pocket…how bout you? We’d make good owners.
by grandpa grouse on Sep 28, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARE and Betts have heart & effort
don’t bench them.
Portis has heart and effort, but his talent is falling off.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARE has heart
ARE fair catches 4 of 5 punts, that is not heart
Moss, yes he does he just has no support
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARE fair catches 4 of 5 punts, that is not heart
The decision to fair catch a punt can be as much a matter of strategy as heart or effort.
by David M. Getz on Sep 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense, Zorn made the strategy decsion
and told ARE to fair catch all punts…makes sense for this head coach
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s possible, but I was referring to split-second on the field decisions – i.e. that fielding a punt when you’re about to get blown up is bad strategy because there’s a high chance you fumble.
by David M. Getz on Sep 28, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he shouldn't be our PR
that’s not his fault.
he’s a good slot WR who has passion & heart.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't argue with that
And I was cussing the television when those plays were called. BUT, I have a hard time hating on a decision made with guts, and faith in your offense. Is that faith unwarranted? Apparently so.
by VB O's Guy on Sep 28, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear ya
but sometimes the head is better than the heart for making decisions.
by grandpa grouse on Sep 28, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with VB
I think Zorn was doing what he could to win this team over by the calls that he is making in these critical situations. You say you are a smashmouth football team, it’s 4th and 1 on the 1, go get me that yard. FAIL. Sorry, it’s one yard, off tackle behind a pro bowl LT and you can’t get a yard? That’s on the players. It’s ok, we have our self proclaimed top five defense, even our DC says so. FAIL. Those are the guys who allowed a rook to take it down their throats 99 yards for a TD. That’s on Zorn too? Well what is on JZ is believing that he had a professional team of athletes. Those guys simply let him down. It sure isn’t due to lack of faith from the HC it’s on the performance that the players have left on the field imho. I’m not mistaking JZ for Vince Lombardi, but while JZ may not be maximizing each and every opportunity out there, the opportunities have been there, how often are our guys grasping them?
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
by piratedan7 on Sep 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i respectfully disagree
In my opinion, Zorn let the players down. As an NFL head coach, your job is to win games. When you make calls that fail (even if it’s the players fault) end up demoralizing the team and energizing the other team, you have let your players down. With all the mistakes Zorn makes, his mis-management of the clock, and his lack of field presence, the players no longer trust him. When player don’t trust the head coach, they quit playing. At best, they go through the motions.
by grandpa grouse on Sep 28, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
but I don’t agree with you either. Isn’t also a player’s job to win games? After all, that’s what they are ALL paid to do, correct? Don’t get me wrong, Zorn’s playcalling leaves a lot to be desired, but he’s not the one missing tackles and dropping passes. Players have a lot more to play for than just the coach, they play for each other, they play for pride, they play because they are professionsals and some even play for the love of the game itself. It’s all well and good to call for the HC’s head on a platter. Fine, can him. Now what. You still have the same set of underachieving sob’s out there on the field.. Don’t know about you, when I have had a crappy boss, I still had to do the job, regardless of the cluelessness that was being issued from on high.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
by piratedan7 on Sep 28, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see your point
but i think your last sentence sums it up. With a crappy boss, you still do the job, but put no enthusiasm or energy into it. Why should you, the boss is working against you.
by grandpa grouse on Sep 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to add
that the goal line 4th and one call by Zorn was bad b/c he had Cooley and Fred Davis on the field and ran behind Cooley. Cooley and Davis are not good blockers, he should be using Mike Williams or Montgomery or Alexander or another DL as the TE. We could not get a good push with Cooley/Davis in the Rams or Giants game, so why would it somehow work against the Lions? Using another lineman instead would be ‘smashmouth’ and would open the door to bootlegs or passes being the D would focus on Samuels/Williams side. My problem with the call is that Zorn watched the video of the Rams game were we got pushed back at the goal and then continued with the same package/play.
by liger99 on Sep 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't disagree????
I cannot agree with you at all. Coaching decisions cost the team 7 points straight up. They traded 3 for 0 and gave up 7 when at worst it should have been 3, thats 7 total point differential in a 5 point loss.
by Mixmy1200s on Sep 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except in real life you can't trade vets for good draft picks
like you can in Madden.
We’re stuck with this sorry team, and more significantly this sorry owner who remains one of the most inept in the league.
10 years in and this is where we’re at.
Zorn. No OL. No real offense. And a defense capable of things like yesterday.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the worst part,
IMO, is that this is dead-on.
Portis’ cap hit for this year is a little over 6 million. For the next two seasons it’s a little over 12, and for the two seasons after that, it’s a little over 10. He is therefore un-tradeable (as if his numbers this year actually made him tradeable). ARE’s contract goes through 2015, as does Chris Sameuls’. And let’s not forget DeAngelo Hall: 5.3 this season, followed by 6.8, 8.3, 9.8, 11.3, 12. There’s also Derrick Dockery’s contract, Randy Thomas’, and Andre Carter’s. These are our guys. There will be no “blowing it up” unless this team wants to field a line-up comprised mostly of undraft free agents.
What will be much easier to do is to fire Zorn and bring in a new coach. However, this will only be a temporary salve unless that coach is a Schottenheimer/Shanahan-type who gets full control on personnel decisions. And, after our owner’s history, which one of these guys will actually want this job.
Going forward, we must hoard draft picks, unload anyone we can for cents on the dollar, take our lumps, and build toward the future. Good news for us: there will be some QBs coming out in next year’s draft, and we might have a very high pick.
by artmonk4ever on Sep 28, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everything you say is true
unfortunately none of it matters until Snyder sells the team or hires a GOOD football GM.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In an uncapped year
Which we will have next year…I think we can cut players and accelerate their cap hit to the uncapped year. Plus we can cut guys and re-sign them immediately to new deals that would be friendly to future salary cap parameters.
While we can’t blow it up, we will have some very real options at the end of this season that we would not have if the salary cap stayed in place.
by Sugar on Sep 28, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was wondering about that
I don’t pretend to understand what can be done differently in the uncapped year but this team really needs to do everything they can to clean up the mess that has been created vy all of the free agent moves (disasters) of the last 5-10 years.
by ZakInOmaha on Sep 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What sugar said and
Jason Campbell is not our problem, we shouldn’t have to be looking for a quarterback in next years draft. But we will be because our fanbase has no confidence in Campbell, so we’ll waste a high draft pick (and probably a few more second rounders or third round picks so we can move up) on a quarter back instead of an o lineman, then it’ll start all over again.
by travisjh86 on Sep 28, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We can win with Campbell he is just totally set up to fail. I really don’t want a rookie QB but I would like a veteran head coach, Shanahan.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Shanahan for me. Not a fan, I believe he rode the Elway train but thats just my opinion.
by travisjh86 on Sep 28, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I can agree with that for sure. I don’t really know who fits us best, I like Chucky a lot but I don’t know if he is a good fit. What do you think?
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like his “you play your ass off every Sunday or else” mentality.
Chucky that is
by bigrm18 on Sep 28, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea I’d love him to come to town, but do you think he could coexist with Snyder? I could just see him blowing up on him. I think he might be bound for Notre Dame also.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone that will smack Snyder when he steps out of line or brings Tom Cruise to another game.
God I hate Scientology ha.
by travisjh86 on Sep 28, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely some hard ass that will smack someone if they step out of line.
by travisjh86 on Sep 28, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danny needs a "yes" man
Why do you the Shottenheimer was fired. He did the same exact thing Gibbs 1 did, and was on his way to building a Coughlin style team. He has and will ruin this team for decades. Danny is the young version of old Al Davis. We re completely screwed forever.
by brettpedigo on Sep 28, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-Line is priority 1
I can live with Jason. Lot’s of others must go.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+100
Kevin is speaking from his emotion rather than fact in this post.
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Sep 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100
The OL has been ignored for nearly a decade and it must be top priority, definitely not a QB. part of the problem is that so many people think the team is 1 or 2 players away from being a contender and just the fact that the entire OL needs to be rebuilt in the next 3-4 years should be an indication that we’re not a contender. Samuels is currently still good but how long will that last? And the rest should be backups, not starters.
Sadly I think the exact opposite will happen, JC will be let go and the top pick will be a QB who will be physically demolished playing behind this line.
by ZakInOmaha on Sep 28, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain
A couple of points:
I actually liked the call to go for it on fourth and 1. I just could not believe he called CP left (even after I told everyone at the bar what was coming). More on that some other time.
Michael Strahan before the game said that, “the Redskins were a team with no heart.” Well, duh.
I, too, noted that every play was designed it seems to come up short. How many 3rd down conversions were missed just because the throw was 3-4 short of the marker?
JC, in my mind, proved my theory (Could this be our problem post) that he only uses one option and then goes to his outlet receiver.
I’m too sick to say much more.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I never ever thoughts I would say this, but...
Portis needs to go
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
did you not see S. Jackson and K. Smith show him what he used to be? CP is one of the leaders of the no heart pack on this team. How many 4th and 1s can he not make? He needs to shut up this nonsense that he’s a better back than Riggo. I don’t recall Riggo EVER not getting a 4th and 1.
The Rams and Lions are two of the worst teams in the league and we make their backs look like superstars.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How stupid.
We threw the ball 12 times and ran it 4 times in the first 16 plays. How do you expect a running back to make a difference when he gets 3 carries and freaking Betts gets 1?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Sep 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would be stupid would be expressing concern for Portis over the first half or so of one game. But it’s not just that. Take out the 34 yearder against the Giants and he’s averaging 3.2 yards a carry, and he doesn’t seem to have the speed, agility, or strength we’re used to seeing.
by David M. Getz on Sep 28, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I voted to wear a paper bag for the Tampa game...
but it’s just not worth going. I would probably start booing the minute I got there.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Blow it up is what happens after the season. In the NFL there is no “during the season” blowup; that is Al Davis Raiders territory thinking. Why? YOU CAN’T GET DRAFT PICKS FOR PLAYERS, certainly not during the season. When was the last time you saw a truly significant shift like that? OK, the Cowboys and Roy Williams – how is that working out? Do you expect other teams to emulate that kind of idiocy? Good luck.
The team did fight back in the second half, they had just dug themselves too deep a hole with their craptastic first half. The hole was too deep because they team is not very good. They’ve been convincing themselves they are good for the past eight years.
So, shake it up during the season – see who on the roster can play, and bench the ones who aren’t (I can’t believe someone called out ARE as a receiver, although I wouldn’t let him return punts any more). Blow it up after the season.
I’ll be at FedEx on Sunday, and I won’t boo the home team. But I’m not under any illusions either. We lost one game already to Byron Letfwich (we thought we had the Steelers when we nocked out Cheeseburger – and the BL lit us up; we should have left Big Ben alone).
It’s taken a concerted effort by the ’Skins, the Nationals, the Wizards, the Terps and UVA to turn this into a hockey town. Go Caps!
by d_c_guy on Sep 28, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blowin it up
I’m not saying ship all the players out this week…but as the season progresses and the playoff pushes start…teams look at add missing components or to fill holes from injuries.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, give anyone
who shows a little heart and moxy a shot at being on the field. There has to be one or two CBs out there worth giving a shot. Keep Horton, though. He and Fletch show the most determination and good play as anyone. Doughty didn’t have a terrible game, either.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redskins
Fire the Head coach, Defensive coach, and trad all prima dona players for 1st roound picks. Get Gruden, Shanahan, or Dungy with full decision making power.. Rebuild this
team sucks big time. No football guts, smarts, or desire to win. Zorn is a joke, Greg William is winning again in NOLA. We need a kick azz kind of coach and staff, too put our punks/winers in line with discipline play and 100% desire to win. Are they even smart enough to learn a system. You can be too smart and no wordly good. On paper does not equal SUNDAY reality. A division IA college team is more motivated come “gameday” than the “deadskins”. "punch them in the mouth and they cry and quit. All POSERS.
by DKH on Sep 28, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell is going to give up first round picks for any of players?
Dungy isn’t going any where. Right now I would say the frontrunner is Shanahan, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Redskins 1 land in Cowher’s back yard again in coming weeks.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cowher
Forget him, he’s going to hold out for Carolina
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell is going to give up first round picks for any of players?
Exactly.
by David M. Getz on Sep 28, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dungy is too soft to
turn this team around. Need a hard azz, sorry to say.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade vets
You can trade vets. If you can’t get a 1st or 2nd for clinton, take a 3rd. take whatever you can get for: campbell, portis, moss, ARE, fletcher, cooley, betts, sellers, samuels, dockery, haynesworth, carter, etc. Landry is young enough to keep around, and build the offense around marko, malcomn, fred davis.
It’ll be painful….. people screamed for Leonsis’ head when he traded away all the decent Caps… but now look at them. It’s time.
So hard for me to say fire zorn, because he is extremely likeable. Get rid of him though, and blache.
by my92agsr on Sep 28, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this is nearly impossible in the NFL
this ain’t the NHL
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
coaches
any chance shanahan or cowher would take over in mid season?
by my92agsr on Sep 28, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PORTIS and MOSS
They have this team handcuffed. Why? Because of their contracts. Both are to big to not be #1 at their positions. How would danny explain that. He can’t, so this is why were stuck with these guys.
I never thought I’d say this but Portis looks done. His footwork is terrible and he doesn’t cut and slash quick enough. We certainly dont have the line for a big bruising back which is what Portis has become. We need a younger Portis so to speak to go along with him now. Why we dont have a younger RB to go along with him just boggles my mind. Most teams have 2 and 3 good running backs. That’s my point though about his contract. It’s so big we cant afford another good RB and the Skins wont draft one because they dont want to piss him off. Portis wants to be the man all by himself. Betts and Rock are not the answer. How about a 2nd or 3rd round pick here.
While I like Moss, I just dont think he deserves to be a #1. IMO he has tainted JC because of his inability to get jump balls and things a normal, tall #1 receiver is able to do. But again, look at his contract, we cant afford to get rid of him.
As far as JC goes, IMO he still is a good NFL QB. He manages the game fairly well to sometimes better than well. Every time this guy makes a mistake he gets dumped on by the fans. NFL QB’s have to make mistakes to get better. I would not be getting rid of him for the simple fact that their is no better option. If you want to see a disgruntled fan base put in Todd Collins or a Colt Brennan type and the fans soon will be begging for JC to come back. NFL QB’s are hard to find, let alone a decent one, which is what JC at least is.
I’m up in the air on Zorn, it seems like he was coaching out of fear this game. The call to go for the TD on 4th down and the last call of the game not to throw it into the endzone really boggles the mind.
One more thing, I still think that the loss of Sean Taylors leadership has affected this team. He always played by example. This team now is playing by talking or aleast they were at the beggining of the year and before they got laughed off the field yesterday. Call me crazy but its just my opinion. Should have kept Gregg Williams and just hired a good OC or kept Saunders around to.
Blowing it up is probably the best answer.
by skinsymets on Sep 28, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agree with a lot
but not on Saunders. I hated that guy
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that
this team has never been blown up. Every year there are a few more pieces added that neve amount to anything much. They stay stagnant and hover between 7-9 and 9-7, and this year will be much worse.
We should trade all of our big name players that have more than five or six years in the league. Landry was mentioned earlier, but that is a definite no go. He is young and still needed if a full rebuild is in order. This is so disappointing.
When you're born into the human race you're given a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you're given a front row seat. And some of us have notepads.-George Carlin
by Afghanistan Steve on Sep 28, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lions fan here ... hopefully i'm not shot
but after watching my team implode…it started with coming up short everywhere on the field…just shy of the offense getting first downs…and on defense not stopping on third downs. the thing we did that i have to give credit for, is build in this years draft. they finally got it right through years of millen screwing it up. he had the right intent, just never got it right…except calvin & k smith & e sims (three out of 8years worth of drafting). i think dungy said it best…the skins have rarely built through the draft, they continually bring in this fa, then that fa…all big contracts…all big “last years”…it sucks for any franchise. hey the lions found a way to trade corey reddings big contract…hopefully you can find some suitors soon. good luck
by londonlion on Sep 28, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as an NFL fan I have to ask
Why didn’t ANY one of those receivers on the final play (which should’ve been a hail mary) have the intelligence to just get out of bounds?
Was it a 4th down? I swear they got the 1st down and still didn’t even bother to get out of bounds when there was still time on the clock for 1 play.
As a Seahawks fan I feel sorry for you because Zorn and Stump Mitchell were shipped there. Zorn is not a good head coach and even he would be way too conservative for Mike Holmgren.
There is a point where you should just blow it up and I think yesterday was it. As stupid as it sounds that may be a good thing that the ’Skins lost yesterday. It will finally force changes in your organization. Maybe.
The QB class of 2010 looks deep next season.
by SSreporters on Sep 28, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
personally would have loved to have seen a hail mary...calvin johnson was playing safety!
but there would have been about a second or two left on the clock had one of them run out of bounds. time for one more play
by londonlion on Sep 28, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Favre
Showed us that you don’t need a hail marry at that point on the field. Favre and Minnesota was in the same position with the same amount of time on the clock and got it done with a lazer beam pass to the back of the endzone.
by Kurtstack on Sep 28, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snyder
Quit worring about hanging around movie stars to make you look important and worry about what you are doing to this team since you bought it from the Cooks. If you are not than sell this team to someone that really does give a rats butt about this team
by WVU4LIfe on Sep 28, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whats going on ??
I thought this was a Redskins fan Website? Blow up the team after 3 weeks? This isn’t baseball that shit doesn’t happen. The only thing that is clear is this the play-calling sucks. I was watching some game and overheard one announcer say that the game has changed now you pass to set up the run not the other way around look at the colts saints patroits and a few other teams there not crying about a back having 50 or so yards. What defense is gonna play well when there on the field 80% of the time like ours was in the first half ? To some this up most teams take on the attitude of there coach ours happens to be a pussy not verry aggresive in playcalling and motivation
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Sep 28, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
3 weeks plus 10 years of mediocrity
and mediocrity is being nice.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its called the circle of life !
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Sep 28, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stay positive Rodskin
No reason to blow the team up Week 3? It doesn’t work, never has.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet the very definition of insanity...
is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but but but Snyder's learned his lesson!
he no longer signs guys like jeff george!
/sarcasm
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
you are a moron if you think the only reason not to fire Zorn and his uninspiring defensive coordinator (the former is a WIDELY held belief by most Redskins fan and the latter is my own personal corollary) is because according to some vague tenet of football history, Redskins fans can’t (be intelligent and) beg Daniel Snyder to fire Zorn NOW. You obviously have only been listening to the radio this season and have not watched the team one iota, “Rodskin”. The team has quit on Zorn because he is clearly overmatched by his peer coaches in PHI, NYG, (even) DAL, as well as the rest of the NFL’s head coaches, and they don’t even want to try because they know he is in over his head.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so yes
blow the team’s staff up is a solution that we at least can plausibly get if we make enough noise to Snyder
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude it takes alot of balls to question my fanhood its obvious that you have no idea who I am. So maybe if I type this a second time then you will understand. YOU CAN NOT BLOW UP A TEAM IN THE NFL . The first move is to always fire the coach which if you ACTUALLY READ my post you will see that I’m in favor of. Very rarely does a team bring in a new coach there’s always the “intern”, which in my opinion should be Blache. Then at the end of the season you bring in whoever you want as a coach then they bring in players who fit there system.
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Sep 28, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't care who you are
provide better merits for your argument than just citing football tradition as a justification for keeping a shitty coach.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just didn’t justify your own thoughts on what he said. And once again apparently you cannot read he said:
Very rarely does a team bring in a new coach there’s always the "intern", which in my opinion should be Blache
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you out of your mind?
First, Blache’s defense is doing no better than the offense. What creds does he have to take over the team? Much less turn it around. In this case, while unusual, we need to bring some hard azz in from the outside. Someone who can light a fire and also tell Snyderrato to STFU.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Pas you must be friends with Matt Millen because your ideas are right out of his toilet.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t expressed any ideas in this post. All I said was don’t blow the team up, but nice try though.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
besides, you constructively agreed with ‘rodskin’ aka the dude who doesn’t know the difference b/w “your” and “you’re” by piping up. You are dumb.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really thats what you came to do today is bash your own fans and be a total asshole? Thats what you wanted to accomplish here? No one is allowed to disagree with you?
Grow some balls dude.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry your merits and argument were what ??
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Sep 28, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i did misread your post in re the team component
and apologize for that, i’m trying to read these as fast as i can before going to work, but in terms of the firing Zorn/hiring X selection process I totally disagree with your thinking that Blache should be promoted from the inside because of football tradition. His head is stuck in the sand too, the defense generates no turnovers and is about as marginal as it comes to sacks, and I doubt Greg Blache knows how to turn up our offense either. In any case the warrants for promoting Blache are clearly wrong if your only justiication is that according to football tradition, an interim must be hired. The team is so bad, the loss to the Lions is so poisonous, and neither Blache nor Sherman Smith have shown anything that indicates either could stand a hair’s chance in hell in turning around our offense with game-calling which could keep the team competitive.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
read above
i can’t continue this debate because i have to go to work but hiring externally shouldn’t be disqualified from consideration simply because it goes against standard football firing/hiring protocol & conventions
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i also realize it is 99% improbable my suggestion will be followed because of its unorthodoxy, but i believe it is far more justified than simply following tradition because an unconventional move looks bad internally and externally
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
learn to spell, it’s horrible to ‘argue’ with someone who writes like a 5-year old.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How come every time someone doesn’t have a valid point they resort to pointing out grammatical errors?
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pas493 is matt millen, i am convinced. In the words of boy, “your an idiot.”
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Zorn?
Who’s going to call the plays? Who will be our Quarterbacks coach? Who on our team can come in right now and be an intern coach? There is absolutely no way an outside person is going to come in here during the season with the state of this team. No one wants to, no one will, and nobody is going to.
Don’t say Blache either, because our so called “dominate defense” just looked like a bunch of high schoolers out there on Sunday.
by travisjh86 on Sep 28, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry not you its the Grand Tanyon Sturtze
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Sep 28, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't we have a Offensive coordinator?
Besides, CAmpbell is a better play caller than Zornie.
by brettpedigo on Sep 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Defense was out their 80% of the first half because
They couldn’t stop Detroit. It was clear they couldn’t stop them from the beginning.
by Kurtstack on Sep 28, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean...
couldn’t stop Detroit? They only had drives of 99, 94, & 85 yds….they stopped them over and over again…and over again and again. Just didn’t get the ball back…COL
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know we sucked yesterday and this should matter
But I feel like the Lions had a great 12th Man yesterday, the refs. I mean that was a blatant facemask on Santana, how did they have a conference and overturn that, what was said? And the pass interference on Horton? I really felt like he turned around addressed the ball and made contact with the ball. The refs don’t deserve a pay check for this game. They cost a drive that could of produced points and basically gave the Lions 7 points.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you have to be kidding me
the refs? That is no excuse, we have too many good defensive personnel to allow a first-year quarterback defended by a sieve of an O-line to march up the field at will anyway, saying “come on it wasn’t that bad, the refs had the Detroit Kittens’ backs” is a weak-ass justification that our mediocre staff and team leaders have been using to just ‘stay the course’ in the status-quo. Yesterday’s game was a manifestation of everything that has been going wrong with our team since teams adjusted to Zorn’s (obviously EXTREMELY limited) game-calling. If you can’t read a message like, “your team could not control the tempo of the game and lost against a team which still sucks on paper and on the field, and hasn’t won since 2007,” then you are utterly blind.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just as weak a "vindication" of our team and our COACH's
absolute shitty abilities as Campbell simply saying, “the Rams, well they’re better than people think,” after we win on a score that looks like a children’s soccer game count. Okay, so the Rams are better than people think, and the Lions are better than people think; this is an incredibly lazy justification that obviously has no boundaries, Campbell, and Zorn, if allowed not called out by us to spur management into dumping idiot Zorn and hiring a coach with a legitimate NFL CV like Cowher/Holmgren/Shanahan, then there is no logical limit to how many times they can simply say that and chalk up their own inadequacies and underperformance to “oh well, they are better than you think they are, we’ll just have to show up next week.”
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you not read? I said...
I know we sucked yesterday and this shouldn’t matter
Seriously dude, whats your problem? I know it shouldn’t be a factor b/c we should of crushed them, but the non call on facemask could of very well cost of the game and would you be on here bitching as much if we won?
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point is that in a game recap like this one against a team which hasn’t won in over 2 years and has on paper the worst team in the NFL, it doesn’t seem reasonable to waste any time arguing with the ‘12th man’ – bitching about refs, that’s a factor that all teams have to compete with save for possibly the pats. Fan displeasure should be concentrated on what we CAN change, ie a shitty coach and/or offensive personnel
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fans can change the coach and offensive personnel? Is there a website I can do this at or something?
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’s called public outrage. When the fan base gets vociferously angry, it prompts ownership and upper management to make changes re: the on-field coaching staff. Conversely, when we get pissed at Snyder, it gets jack shit done. Think about it genius..
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Sep 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The facemask, I agree with – pretty black and white.
The pass interference was bad luck but I thought it was justified. Even though Horton was looking at the ball and the contact was accidental, the bottom line is that it made it impossible for Johnson to make a play on the ball and that’s something that’s going to get called every time
by David M. Getz on Sep 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I'll tell you why, he's not a NFL QB."
I understand it’s probably just venting the murderous rage that comes with losing to the Lions, but I can’t say I agree with that one. Going by the numbers, Campbell is 9th in the league right now on his QB rating. His numbers are solid. It’s clear he has developed into at least a decent NFL QB. Every team can’t have a Brady or Manning.
What is most surprising is that Portis is 22nd in the league on rushing yards. 1 or 2 seasons ago, these 4th and ones would have been converted. Portis is still capable. He’s still in his 20’s. Our O-Line is completely shot though. It’s old and worn out, and it probably won’t be able to be rebuilt soon enough.
I don’t think a complete rebuild is necessary. But it is absolutely necessary to get Zorn out immediately. He’s not a leader. He’s not mean enough. He’s not capable of inspiring a team of men. The entire football community can see this. Despite what he has done to coach up Campbell. Zorn has to go. I played football for 9 years, all of my coaches knew how to get you fired up. None of my coaches resembled Zorn. The players can’t always do this on there own. Sometimes they need someone to light a fire under their asses. They need a REAL HEAD COACH!
A wise and proven veteran coach could pick up the pieces and turn this season around before it’s too late.
by DCtoAustralia on Sep 28, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zorn
He’s not a leader. He’s not mean enough. He’s not capable of inspiring a team of men.
That’s exactly right. As for Campbell, yes, statistically he looks good. But what you don’t see are the mistakes that end drives. His inability to make the big play. Wins/Losses is an important stat…he doesn’t rank top10 there
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What we have
Is a bunch of high priced pampered babies. And that’s what we’ll likely be stuck with for the foreseeable future.
by Kurtstack on Sep 28, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portis’ stats, while telling, are also a product of a bad offensive line and terrible play calling.
a better running back might have been able to gain a couple more, but without a good line or a good play call, there’s not much he can do.
by snowburnt on Sep 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow Kevin, you've surprised me
You want us to blow up the team? WOW!
We all can rant and rave about this and that should be done but how likely is it going to happen? Do you think Snyder is willing to get rid of Portis? There’s no way in hell that happens. We can talk about our next head coach and possibly defensive coordinator because Snyder is most certainly willing to get rid of coaches.
But blowing up this team is something that just isn’t going to happen. Maybe it should, but it won’t.
by bigrm18 on Sep 28, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Let's be real....
With the age of all of our starters and high priced free agents, this team will be a 5-11 team in 2-3 years anyway. Why not blow it up and bring in youth? Fletcher, Portis, Moss, Carlos, DeAngelo, Haynesworth, ARE, Betts….none of these guys will be on our roster in 3-4 years.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are we going to bring in right now? And where were these opinions all offseason? I’ve never seen a whole fan base and city implode and jump ship on whats going to be a .500 team after this weekend.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
offseason
We were all misinformed. We were under the illusion we were building and that all our youth (WRs) from the 2008 draft would make an impact. They’re not. Skins are going BACKWARDS. We said the Oline was a huge concern….and it still is, though it is playing well. Either way, if you look at the area of concern regarding quality starters and depth (QB, RB, OL, DL, LB, CBs)…there’s no way are picks from next year can save us.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still believe that if we had a better o-line we would be a damn good team.
by travisjh86 on Sep 28, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we'd still have a weak WR corps
and I still don’t see much of a pass rush.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I think the WR we have could be the best, provided a Coach who knows how to call plays and a QB which can read 3 or 4 progression pass play in 2 to 4 seconds, which he does when in shotgun…Campbell can’t read when he’s dropping, the mark of an outstanding QB vs an average QB.
Pass rush must be a focus, the players are in place they are not being used, maybe the defense can back the CB’s up another 5 yards that might help…NOT!
The players are on this team, the coaches are not inspirational and are trying to force a system onto the players instead of playing a system which fits the players…
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRs
Santana Moss is not an elite #1 WR, and none of the other guys on the roster have proven themselves worthy of starting at the #2 spot.
that is a bad WR corps.
As for the pass rush: Andre Carter and Philip Daniels are mediocre in the pass game, always have been. Orakpo might be a good pass rusher, unfortunately we’ve got him playing strong side linebacker half the time.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is a outstanding QB ????
You can not name ten QB’S in the NFL that can read just as well when dropping back as from shotgun formation !!!! Most of the all time greats played in the shotgun formation very often !!!! Should I start naming them for you ????
by LETJASONPASS on Sep 28, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What O-line are you watching?
“it is playing well”???
What are you talking about?
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Sep 28, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
check in to reality
“whats going to be a .500 team after this weekend”
We just lost to the Lions and barely beat the Rams and you think the rest of the year we’re going to go .500?
What in the world makes you think that?
by ZakInOmaha on Sep 28, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because its the NFL! Just b/c we had two bad games doesn’t mean that we’re going to replicate those bad games all year. ITS WEEK 4!
Half of the league is either 1-2 or 0-3. What should I do? Go? “O yea this teams just going to get progressively worse this season, theres no way they’ll improve and win some games”?
I really don’t give a rat’s ass who we beat and by how much all I know is this team can still win, theres no doubt in my mind.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not without a decent OL
The OL has been neglected for years and it’s taking it’s toll. The team can improve a litttle but no team does well with such a poor OL.
“this team can still win” yeah, given that a single win would make that true.
We can beat teams in the AFC West (some of them anyway, like the Chiefs and Raiders) and then we’re back on the ropes.
by ZakInOmaha on Sep 28, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why
an uncapped year could be a bleesing in disguise
by skinsymets on Sep 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying we shouldn't
I’m asking how likely is it to happen? Do you think anyone in the front office is smart enough to realize that this team isn’t going to win? More importantly, do you think anyone in the front office is man enough to say “I made a mistake by acquiring this player and I am willing to trade him for a future draft pick.”
by bigrm18 on Sep 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost a 0% chance it happens...
But somewhat needs to say it!
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
We can say it all we want, but if it isn’t going to happen, why bother?
by bigrm18 on Sep 28, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
B/c it might result in some of it happening...
like Cerrato getting canned.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snyderrato are entrenched...
egomaniacs. So you are right, no chance they will do the right thing vs admit to “an error in judgment.”
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Haynesworth's name keep coming up?
Guess what. He’s got one of the largest contracts in history. He’s not going anywhere. You have to be the absolute best player in the league to be tradeable with a contract that size.
You’re overreacting, KevinE. You can’t honestly tell me that that one play means that Campbell isn’t an NFL QB. The guy has to work with what he’s got, and he’s getting a lot done with no protection from his line and a run game that no one respects. So on that one play he didn’t pass to the open man running a flat route. That’s because he was playing from behind and trying to make plays happen. If he had passed it to ARE and the ball had been dropped, or fumbled, or the drive had stalled there, you would have been saying that he should have taken the risk and thrown it to Moss… You would have admonished him for not giving Moss a chance at a jump ball.
Guess what, everybody? QBs throw interceptions. Every single one of them. And when you’re playing from behind and your defense is letting the other team walk all over them, you’re going to take more risks and your INT rate will go up. Well, he’s been playing from behind all year, and our defense has been getting walked all over all year. So Campbell has to take some risks. 2 interceptions in 3 games and you’re throwing him under the bus?
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Sep 28, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If they don't blow it up
They should at least draft O-linemen/D-linemen with their first 4-5 draft picks this year. I mean we are losing games in the trenches. We are getting worked over on the lines. Any NFL expert will tell you that you can’t win when you lose the battle in the trenches.
by Kurtstack on Sep 28, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4th and 2?
My main problem with the 4th and 2 call on the goal line is we have done nothing so far this season to show we are capable of making this play a success. At no point have we scored in the redzone, much less the 2 yard line. Why would Zorn think we would in a 4th and 2 situation? Let’s get the points, and when we prove we know how to score a touchdown in the redzone, let’s make these risks then. If we had spent the last two games proving we are a team that converts a 4th and 2 on the goal line opportunity to 6 points, I really would have backed the decision. I just have no idea why he thought our offense could swing it.
by RFKate28 on Sep 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a couple...
of sides to that equation. I thought Zorn was giving his offense a chance to make up for the end of last week’s game. What I don’t understand is why CP left again? A play we have proven over and over again unable to work, not to mention entirely predictable. And Zorn’s on record as saying he thinks it’s our best play???
I would have thought, yes, the worst that could happen is Detroit gets the ball on their one and we get a shot at the safety. But boneheaded off side play nullified that and gave them an opportunity to make the drive. But then, we don’t accept the penalty and WTF???
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He thinks it's our best play
Most likely because it works in practice against our defense. Detroit also ran left quite often against our defense with success. Unfortunately for Zorn and the skins the other defenses in the NFL aren’t as weak against the left side run as our own defense that we practice against.
by Kurtstack on Sep 28, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I saw it
is similar to you… It did have to do with last week. But as soon as I saw they were going for it, I said, “Zorn, don’t play last week’s game.” He couldn’t let go of that stalled drive from last week, and so he tried it again.
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Sep 28, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th AND 2 NOT A BAD CALL IF ?????
This would not have been a bad call if we had ran a play action type play with JC faking the hand off to PORTIS to the left but rolling to the right with full back or tight end crossing the endzone JC could run or pass the ball and normally it would be against one defender that would be a linebacker in coverage on the tight end !!! If the linebacker goes after the qb he leaves the tight end uncovered !!! This is a very basic play but works all the time when the other team knows that you are going to run the same play all the time IE CLINTON PORTIS to the left !!!!!!!!!!!! ONce again JIM ZORN and his play calling are horrible !!!! Dont blame JC !!!!!
LET JASON PASS THE BALL !!!!!!!!!!!!
by LETJASONPASS on Sep 28, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would have been my call...
It’s only worked for every team to have ever played the game.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Sep 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billick was PLEADING for play action
My three year old daughter knew it was run left.
by brettpedigo on Sep 28, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha…..my 8 month old puppy also looked up and rolled her eyes at 4th and 2…..run left….hhahah
Tony A
by JNZO on Sep 28, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wear a paper bag
Boo the team.
But you’re not helping anything if Danny-boy’s pockets are still lined. If you buy one thing at that game you’re a disgrace. There shouldn’t be a line to anything at this game except the bathroom. Why only the bathroom? To expurgate your system from the garbage you’re watching, from the reek that exudes from the field below.
Every single over priced beer tells ownership that business as usually is good enough. Every $30 cardboard pizza, every $50 “Tastes Just Like Chicken!” finger platter tells Danny that he’s forgiven for his mistakes and his nepotistic operations.
Dear Snyder: I quit.
by snowburnt on Sep 28, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wholesale the entire team
While I agree that we need to get rid of guys and get better/more motivated guys, we have a major flaw in that philosophy. We would need to get rid of the entire squad, save for very few, and bring in an entirely new team. We do not have this luxury. We don’t have 50 draft picks. If a couple of people who have performed in the past are not performing now, this is a personnel issue. I agree we need to change those people out. When an entire team is not performing, we now need to dig deeper and see this is not going to be resolved through free agency and draft picks. This has to be fixed upstairs.
by RFKate28 on Sep 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Good news
in 2001 the Skins started 0-5 than Schottenheimer won his next 5 games….tho Snyder still canned him. Plus, our next 3 opponents are 0-8….it’s just Zorn lost the players. You can’t fix that.
Chick Hernandez said that when Portis ran back to the sideline after the failed 4th down from the Rams…he said ‘WHY RUN WIDE?’
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
EVERYONE watching the game, even the lions said “WHY RUN WIDE”
by snowburnt on Sep 28, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Postgame comment
At the post game Jim Schartz said that
On the very first play, Stafford draws them offside with a hard count to give us a cushion. That showed me something." Later, as the Lions tried to kill the clock from their own 21 with 2:33 remaining, Stafford ignored tight end Brandon Pettigrew, who was wide open in the flat a few yards downfield, and went up top to tight end Will Heller(notes) for a 24-yard completion. "Not the safest throw of all time," Schwartz said, laughing. "But Matt’s not a guy who’s always going to play it safe. Will was open, and he hit him.
The defense is to blame. Jim Zorn can’t win with no OL. The only OL older than the redskin OL is the Cowboy OL but they are a team of pro bowlers.
by Sportsboy on Sep 28, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KevinE...
Honestly, is this post mostly emotion or fact?
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Sep 28, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reality
I have zero faith the Redskins will be good the next 5 years. I can still be optimistic this team could salvage this season if they brought in another offensive coordinator to help Zorn with the calls. As another commenter said, Zorn is in over his head doing all the play-calling and game management.
But as for the next 5 years, all of our key players are in their prime and we have no one to replace them. This team is broken….break it up and re-build it the right way.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sold them to Steelers fans arleady
In reality, of course I’ll stand by team and go to the games, but you have to take a real look at this team. You can’t build a team thru free agency. It looks good on paper, but it’s possible to build camaraderie. All these young guys that work hard to win a starting spot get replaced by an over-paid free agent. It kills emotion.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Kevin
You can’t come in with new personnel on the coaching side and the player side and change things. This isn’t the 1970s we’re not F’d for the next 5 years.
Look at the Falcons, Jets, Dolphins, Saints, 49ers, etc., etc.
Relax brother. If we get some O-Line help and veteran coach we’ll be just fine.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-Line help and veteran coach
You think a new coach would want to keep all our current players? It’s the lack of depth at RB/Oline that bothers me. That’s not a quick fix.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he would want to keep our current players. But the problem is coaches bring in “their guys” that fit their personality and they draft “their guys”, there are no Zorn guys. Remember how Marty brought in some guys from KC? When veteran head coaches or respected coaches come in the bring a following of core, good players.
Look at Rex Ryan with Bart Scott, etc. And he’ll continue to draft hard nose guys. Theres always a general migration of respected players that can make a difference. You don’t think if we brought in Chucky in Trueblood, Rudd, Allen, etc. wouldn’t be chomping at the bit to get to DC. Or if Shanahan came Kuper, Dumervill, DJ Williams, maybe BMarshall wouldn’t be on DCs FA list?
All that Zorn has given us is Plackemier and SAlexander
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or please get Cowher and sign Hampton, Keisel, Hartwig, JHarrison, Townshend, Clark. I’m salivating.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
without a good GM
this groundhog day will go on indefinitely.
“we just need a couple more pieces…”
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
COULDA SHOULDA WOULDA
COULDA SHOULDA WOULDA:
COULDA actually hired a head coach and GM with some experience.
SHOULDA spent the $100 large on the O-line.
WOULDA if not for my HUGE ego and tiny penis
signed – DannyBoy Snyder
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Sep 28, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree with this post
the skins are clearly the worst team in the league. “if you beat the best you are the best”. well it goes the other way around. i am really for trading ALL those “great” players away for draft picks. i want to see the skins with 5-6 1st and second round picks this year. we need to get rid of them all. moss is a great SLOT reciever, not a great number 1. we dont hav a number 1. portis is done. samuels is on the same path thomas took. out the door. ARE, Landry, ANYONE who thinks they are great and arent playing great get rid of them!!
horton earned a spot, cooley earns his spot, orakpo is yet to be determined. but why dont we play him as FRIKKIN DE AND NOT A LB!! we a need a real LB not a de! let go of betts, and cartwright. id rather see mason as #2. atleast he WANTS to be there.
by mrhinton on Sep 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i am really for trading ALL those "great" players away for draft picks. i want to see the skins with 5-6 1st and second round picks this year.
How does that happen? What players do you move and to what teams?
The Redkins have some talent guys that other teams would want, but not enough to stockpile that many picks.
by David M. Getz on Sep 28, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy here is the formula
portis to arizona, NE, cincy, New orleans for christ sake. landry to new orleans, moss could go anywhere, ect ect ect. all these guys are worth atleast 2nd roun dpicks and there are teams that would consider them bargains.
by mrhinton on Sep 28, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedric Benson’s rushed for 293 yards this season, Arizona’s set to go forward with Wells and Hightower, New Orleans has Bush, Bell, and Thomas. None of those teams would want Portis with the contract he has right now.
New Orleans also has Darren Sharper – with three picks and three passes defended playing at free safety. He’s no spring chick, but I don’t see that as a position of need for them.
Moss I could buy teams having interest in (though I’m not that familiar with his contract), but enough to use a second round pick? Maybe a couple, but not “anywhere”.
When you’re looking at transactions involving draft choices you have to consider the total valuation of the pick. Would someone out there want Moss? Probably. But is he worth more to them than what the pick would give in return or who else they could acquire with it? That I’m not so sure of.
by David M. Getz on Sep 28, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A TEAM FULL OF PLAYMAKERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It amazes me how people talk about our lack of talent on offense !!!! It is not that we have a lack of talent. It is that we have a coach that does not know how to use the talent that he has properly !!!
It is the coaches job to put his players in a postion to maximize their full potential !!!! Can anyone explain why Santana Moss Was not back receiving the punt when we needed a big play ??? I will tell you why Jim Zorn is a WIMP !!! He is afraid of certain players on the team !!!! He is more concerned with not hurting feelings than winning games !!!
Jim Zorn can not win games being afraid of his players. They will not respect him and he will make decisions based on not hurting feelings.
LET JASON PASS THE BALL !!!!!!
by LETJASONPASS on Sep 28, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
we have half a play-maker at WR and nothing else
there is no proven talent there.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're not gonna blow it up....
then they must bring in an offensive coordinator that has experience. Someone that can be the devil on Zorn’s shoulder. Sherman Smith is involved in this play-calling and if two people are getting it wrong, then it’s really broken. Easy to see since neither of them have been a play-caller ever in their careers.
And it’s not just 3 games….it’s now 19 games….all w/o offense.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blow it up.
This team has bigger concerns than just the offense. The defense simply isn’t very good and it never will be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Sep 28, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOOK AND LATTERAL ????? WTF !!!!
What coach in the pros make such a stupid call when your well in JC’S arm range ??? If that did not let you know how dumb Zorn is nothing will !!! If you have time you through it to the sideline if not to the endzone !!! In this situation only 1 of 4 things normally happens touchdown , pass interference, interception or ball gets knocked down !!! The H and L is sand lot footabll or maybe college not the NFL !!!
by LETJASONPASS on Sep 28, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IDK
If I would throw it up for grabs with one of the tallest, best WR’s waiting for it back there against our midget WRs. (well, the one’s that aren’t midgets have butter fingers).
LOL- it was a long shot… but hook and ladder doesn’t even work in flag football!!!
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Sep 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stay Medium.
calm and collected. say the right things. It will blow over…. And the rich get richer. Dan Snyder is laughing at all of us right in the face! His franchise is the second most profitable behind the world renowned cowboys. He breaks our hearts and puts his hand in our pocket. but, honestly, we are all to blame. There is old myth around DC that it is a privilege to go to the games. You are the royalty of football. That is how I was raised. That myth is broken. He is profiting off of the the past. WAKE UP!!!!! Please stop going. I promise if everyone COMES together, when this tyrant is gone, you will get your seats back. PLEASE, give our proud team a BLACKOUT!!!!!!!! Restore our team!!!!
by brettpedigo on Sep 28, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we don't go
Opposing team fans will. And Danny’s pockets will remain full. Great idea, but it just doesn’t work in practice. The stadium will be filled with or without redskins fans.
by Kurtstack on Sep 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steelers, Giants and Eagles will.
Not the bucs, cheifs, jags, bills, seahawks, chargers, colts, lions. half of the games will not sell out. Look at all of the blackouts this year. Trust me, they will not come.
by brettpedigo on Sep 28, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you get this team list from?
They’ll sell out no matter what, we’ll be jacked for next year and its not like many people are going to drop their season tix. But outside the NFC East next year we play Bears, Vikes, Texans, Colts, and a TBD from the NFC South.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
missed Detriot
Every Fan will go to Lions second win in 32 games
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Thats 8 games we play at the Lions next year
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next year
NFC easty
NFC North
Then TBD
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next year our home schedule is:
Bears, Vikes, Texans, Colts, and a TBD from the NFC South.
What aren’t you getting here?
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Road is Pack, Lions, Titans, Jags, and a TBD from NFC West
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My brain...
Not fully recovered…thank-you
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sell, sell, sell
Portis is the reason for the season!!! ;)
jk- LOL
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Sep 28, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cooley the man and highlights the problem
Chris Cooley is quoted over at the Post’s Redskins Insider
“Coach Zorn is our coach,” Cooley said. “We have complete faith in what he’s doing, the scheme that we’re running and the way that we do things here. There’s nothing for me to say, anything about his job or his job security
The coach is the man, he’s OUR coach! but wait what the issue…
”I can’t put a finger on anything. No one in here is going to be able to," Cooley said. “Fortunately, as a player, I’m not the person who has to put a finger on anything. I can just show up here and I can just continue to work hard and try to do my job.”
Just show up to work hard and do my job, lots of heart in that statement in a game where the heart does matter almost as much as talent. If the coach can’t figure it out and communicate the issue, then he’s not your coach he’s just another guy working hard and trying to do his job….NOT WELL!
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Cooley, who dosen't but
he must be well medicated. He must have one hell of a strong punching bag at home. That is all I can say.
by poopo on Sep 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't agree
Those quotes show me a guy who isn’t a leader. None of the team’s guys who are performing step up to be leaders. Cooley should be holding his team to task, not shrugging and saying its not my problem. I’m sure when things go poorly in Baltimore Ray Lewis just shrugs and says “well we just lost to the worst team in the league, but I did my job so I won’t worry about it, its not my problem”.
Seriously stop giving Cooley a free pass, he is just as accountable no matter if he is still playing hard.
by Mixmy1200s on Sep 28, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tampa
Do you think the Skins will get booed when they exit the tunnel at Fedex on Sunday? I hope not…but it will be an interesting day if the Skins start slow.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bag lunch...
bring your lunch to work day next sunday.
by poopo on Sep 28, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't blame Zorn
Lousy offensive line means no running game. No running game means that defenses load up to stop the pass. IMHO. Zorn and JC are doing okay, they’re taking what the defense gives them and not turning it over too much. Play calling could be better, but it’s not the core problem…. the old Skins won with a pretty unimaginative playbook, it’s just that running between guard and tackle looked a whole lot better when the guard was Grimm and the tackle was Jacoby!
To those of you crying “Bring in Chucky!” or “We need Shanahan!”…go back 18 months to when Zorn was hired. None of the high-profile coaching candidates (Cowher, Spagnola, etc) wanted to work for “Dysfunctional Dan”. What makes you think that Chucky or Shanahan wants to smear his coaching legacy with a burgundy and gold skidmark on his resume? They don’t need the humiliation, aggravation, and certain failure that being HC of the WR brings!
It all starts at the top. Under the Rooneys, the Steelers have had two straight HOF-caliber coaches (Noll and Cowher) and Tomlin is on track to get there too. The Lakers have won championships with 3 different groups of players over the last 25 years under Jerry Buss. Bob Kraft has turned the Pats from a league-wide joke to a model franchise. The old Redskins under Cooke were in that category, too.
As long as Danny is in charge, we’re screwed! Sell the team Danny!
by Halby on Sep 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Danny SELL THE TEAM<
but Zorn is the problem, he’s not an NFL coach, and the other misfits coaching this team may be just as weak…He may learn in 3 to 5 years or Danny can make another change since he can’t afford to wait and he won’t sell the team.
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well..
…you could say playcalling isn’t the central problem, but it lost us a game to the worst team in the league. We lost by 5 and the coach direcly gave up a 7 point differential through terrible calls. I don’t usually make statements like that but its true, he cost us a game literally, not figurativey. We can make excuses and say that the defense should have stopped them on that 3rd down when we gave them another shot, but I could just as easily say maybe they would have missed that 50 yard field goal attempt too. The fact is that while people could have made plays here and there and maybe scored or prevented a score here or there, the coach most definitely cost the team 7 points in a 5 point loss.
by Mixmy1200s on Sep 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, maybe not...
The Lions were playing soft D leading up to the Skins TD with 2:36 to play, knowing that they could allow a TD as long as it took time off the clock. It would have been a completely different story if that was the potential go-ahead touchdown.
So I don’t agree with your conclusion that Zorn’s playcalling cost the game. If he had made the correct-in-hindsight calls, the whole game may have unfolded differently; who knows what the score would have been? No way of knowing.
by Halby on Sep 28, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Danny fires Zorn before the end of the season
It reduces the chances of any of those guys wanting to work for him either. We are riding this one out guys. Suspend all your hopes and expectations and you might end up positively surprised.
by Boo. on Sep 28, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on guys
You can not run the ball when your down 13 points in the first half. everyone knows this.
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Sep 28, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
running the ball when you can't run is a mistake
but abandoning the run b/c you’re down 13 in the first half isn’t smart.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
running eats up the clock you need time to score points. you need points to win
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Sep 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eating the clock
Throwing the ball in the middle of the field w/ less than 1 minute left and no timeouts is what eats the clock.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eating the clock
Throwing the ball in the middle of the field w/ less than 1 minute left and no timeouts is what eats the clock.
by KevinE on Sep 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No really KevinE
Eating the clock Throwing the ball in the middle of the field w/ less than 1 minute left and no timeouts is what eats the clock.
I heard throwing the ball in the middle of the field w/ less than 1 minute left and no timeouts is what eats the clock,
or trying “chutes and ladders” damn thats a kids game I mean a “hook and ladder”—>Ahh, what the hell they to our man Zorn they are the Same damn thing!
Be an NFL Coach or GTFO!
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't become one dimensional in the first half
that’s a mistake.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sad...sad...sad!!!
Hello to all…I am a lifelong redskins fan…good and bad. I have spent the last 2 months reading all of the statements on these post with shock and disgust. While any real redskins fan hates to seem their team lose to the lowly lions, after reading some of the insanely dumb ideas posted on here I felt the need to register and reply to the garbage coming from some of your finger tipes. Ok, lets analyze thess recommendations a little more shall we?
1) Fire Jim Zorn…NOW!!!
2.) Jason Campbell sucks/needs to go.
3.) Bench the starters for the younger players.
4) Trade away our greats for draft picks.
Answers:
1.) Ok, I agree that JZ is no longer the right person for this job, but seriously, 3 games into the season? What the hell sense does that make? JZ also is the off coord., and qb coach. Firing JZ now means having to hire a off coord, qb coach and hc in less than a week. How do you propose the Redskins install a new offense in the middle of the da*n season? You think we suck now,…
2.) T. Collins for J. Campbell – Do you really think Collins would’ve fared any better these past three games? Does he give us a better chance to win with his weaker arm, no o-line protection and zorn calling plays? Jason Campbell may not be ever be a great qb but he is decent. Just as decent as some of the other quarterbacks in the nfl. Take a look at his stats compared to others like Rothlisberger, Romo, Warner.They are not much better and neither is the win percentage for those teams. There are only a few great qb’s in this league…P. Manning, Brady, McNabb, Farve. How great do you think any of them would be in this offensive system? Do you think Stafford and/or M. Sanchez or any other veteran qb available at this point would put up better stats or remain upright long enough to make a difference behind this o-line? Especially with Z-man calling the plays?
3.) Really interesting thought process here. Instead of having our best players on the field, lets commit to losing the rest of the season by placing Portis, Moss, ARE, and Cooley on the bench in favor of our younger inexperienced players. This would allow D. Thomas to develop into the #1 receiver we all think he could be, and our 1-2 Mason/Aldrige running punch would install fear into the heart of every def. coord in the league.
4.) Let’s see, if I’ve got this right, let me know if I miss anything please…
a.)Trade CP, eat the remainder of his contract and hope we get at least a third round draft pick for someone that struglling b/c he runs behind an o-line that cant block a cold!
b.) Trade away C. Samuels! The only lineman who blocks on a regular basis and is still worth a da*n.
c.) Trade…Landry, Rodgers, Hall and Orakpo. Get rid of Smoot and Hayensworth! Sure, while we’re at it, lets trade the entire defense away so we can have more hensons, blades, westbrooks, tryons, and barnes out there causing havoc on defense.
d.) Get as many draft picks as we can for next year. Sure.Have you people been watching the redskins over the last 5-6 years? Since when do Synder and Cerrato trade for draft picks? AND…WHAT IDIOT would trust Synder and Cerrato enough to give them more draft picks???
…more to come later…
by redskins fan on Sep 28, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow finally a voice of reason
Thank you!
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Voice of Reason, but lacking
1) Zorn: He has an offensive Coordinator, plus an assistant Offensive Head coach/Running backs coach. Maybe that is the problem, he’s doing everyone’s job or all of him and his buddies can’t get the job done. Firing him at the start of the season, no Fire him for leading a team to a record of 3-7, over 10 games. Hiring a new coach, installing a new system would be a lot of work, sounds like the Redskins need to do some work instead of coasting week to week.
2) Campbell I have to agree, he is able to do the job.
3) Best players on Best performing players are two different things. CP would not be on the Field, Mason, Betts, & Alridge: Why because CP is not running this year like he did in the past be it injuries or a lack of will. He’s the best back but the others could out perform him with some heart, and possibly break some tackles.
Cooley, Fred Davis can perform just as well…Cooley doesn’t know what the problem is but all he has to do is come to work, work hard and play, someone else can figure out the problems
Moss is working and a team player, ARE is trying but should be removed from punt returns.
4) yeah this is stupidity
by dr WNC on Sep 28, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of a worse loss: the year Dallas went 1-15 and we were their only victory. That was devastating.
by andrewtsks on Sep 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone explain to me why we play @ Detroit three years in a row.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jim Zorn
I would like to stick a paper bag over Zorns head and sufficate him and that friggin west coast offense
by vincent60267 on Sep 28, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's the problem with potential replacements
Gruden would come in and install the WCO all over again
by smutsboy1 on Sep 28, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orakpo? really? ITS WEEK 3! and he’s playing a new position for the first time.
by pas493 on Sep 28, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think orakpo is a bust
he just needs to play DE…. he’s not a linebacker….
by ACo on Sep 28, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JC
One of the few who still has faith in Jason, but am obviously seeing the collapse on his supporting cast. Snyder needs to come out of his helicopter and open his ears. Major changes need to be made.
I voted no on wearing a paper bag at the game. Im just refusing to go to the game.
After we see the outcome of TB (who the New York Football Giants destroyed), then I will break out the bag
by A-Frankie on Sep 28, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Think Positive!
The Redskins played like pure uncut bums. But I truly believe that this is what we needed. A wakeup call. I can see them going on a nice winning streak after this. At home against Tampa is a nice way to get that winning streak started
by alleykatt1000 on Sep 29, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
“blowing it up” wouldn’t even work in Madden. We still have time to get it together.
by VA_Skin on Sep 30, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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