It's not Campbell, Portis or Zorn - It's "The Curse of the Danny"

by SuperSkinsFan on Sep 23, 2009 12:47 PM EDT Comment 32 comments

The Curse of the Danny

The problem with the Skins is Dan Snyder. He doesn't know how to be an owner. He thinks he knows football, but he doesn't. You would think after 10 years he would learn that you cannot build a championship team through free agency. Let me give you a couple of names as examples: Bruce Smith, Dana Stubblefield, Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuleta, Deion Sanders, Jason Taylor, Shaun Alexander, Jeremiah Trotter, Jeff George, James Washington, Mike Barrow, Jacquez Green, & Trung Candidate. I am probably missing a few.

Snyder needs to fire all of his "YES MEN" (namely Cerrato), stay home, go to the games on Sunday, talk to the coach on Monday morning - give him your feedback then (ask "What do you need?"), sign checks, and stay out of the draft room. You build championship teams through the draft not by picking players on their second or third contracts through free agency (follow the winning foot steps of: Patriots, Cowboys, Giants, Ravens, Colts.)

If he does the above, then maybe an offensive/defensive coordinator (NOT a quarterbacks coach) would come and coach our Skins.

If Snyder remains on this course the Skins have "The Curse of the Danny" for the next few decades. Ask a Cubs fan how it feels. We are in it for the next 20 years.

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While I tend to agree in general...

the Patriots are a bad example for your points. They do well in the draft of course (Brady!, Jerod Mayo, Kevin Faulk, Lawrence Maloney), but have done exceptionally well picking players off of other team’s rosters, e.g. Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Shawn Springs, Fred Taylor, Joey Gallaway, Jr. Seau, etc.. What they seem to have is an acute awareness of what they want to achieve (IMO) and then they find the player to fit their need and their organization. And it isn’t Bob Kraft who is doing the leg work.

by Scott E on Sep 23, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The latter part of

my comments of course support your opinion that “football people,” not owners should be calling the shots. I guess I’m just saying that championship teams are not all developed thru the draft.

by Scott E on Sep 23, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You may wanna replace

cowboys with steelers on that list of yours. Not sure that old JJ is much better than Danny boy in regards to your message.

by skinsfan28 on Sep 23, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

right

Jones is as bad as Snyder, probably worse considering he dismantled the Cowboys dynasty himself, whereas Snyder came in after Turner had us steered straight for the iceberg for years.

The overall premise of the post is right on, just of few corrections.

1)- Stubblefield was pre-Snyder

2) I would rather Snyder not even go to the games, unless he takes the Metro and walks in.

by CJHutch on Sep 23, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes!

I used to think the majority agreed with me until I started reading posts on this forum and then I started to think the majority really didn’t see too much of a problem with him. I’m not saying he’s mean and tyrannical and a bad owner in that form but I think he (and Cerrato) are at the root of the problem! We will never have a championship team until they learn that throwing money at a problem does not always solve it. I’m not saying he doesn’t try, but he’s not learning from his mistakes. And he’s spent way too much time in this position to not be getting it.
I knew he would be a problem from the beginning. As soon as he ripped Jack Kent Cooke’s name down off that stadium and sold it to a corporation… He doesn’t care about the fans or the team. He’s here to make money. And that’s fine but until you take a vested interest in your property, you’ll never take care of it properly.

by SkinsGirl07 on Sep 23, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Exactly

I’m hoping that as a businesman he realizes he’ll make more money with a winning team and the only way that will happen is for him to change. Can his ego take that?

by ZakInOmaha on Sep 24, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rec

Well said, it’s a business but is it only about making money? Shouldn’t be

by dr WNC on Sep 23, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

snyder doesn't know any better

he doing the only thing he knows….running a business. and, in business, most people in charge believe the best way to solve a problem is to throw money at it. it doesn’t matter if that money is well spent, just keep throwin it and the problem will go away. as i’ve said before, snyder is NOT an nfl caliber owner. until he becomes one, or sell the team to one, things will not change. just my humble opinion.

by grandpa grouse on Sep 23, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jones Knows Football

CJ Hutch, I stand corrected on Stubblefield. I hate to say it but Jerry Jones knows football. While you may think he dismantled the Cowboys dynasty, you are mistaken. Most teams now emulate how he has set up his entire football business. Jones made his money in oil/gas, but he PLAYED football for Arkansas. This is very different than Snyders football fan only background.

The Curse of the Danny (and his yes men) is upon us. And it sucks.

by SuperSkinsFan on Sep 23, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

that JJ knows more about football than Snyder. But so does the stinkbug hovering around my back window. Your statement rings true

Most teams now emulate how he has set up his entire football business

But as all Skins fans know, being good at the business part of football doesn’t mean being good at the FOOTBALL part of football. The Cowboys have been in a combination of limbo and tailspin since Jimmy Johnson left with his team building acumen. Sure, they won with Switzer after he left, but that team was still the dynasty that Jimmy built. Hell, NORV probably could have won with that team. But, tell me this: other than being at the top of the preseason predictions, what exactly HAS Dallas done since then? I’ll answer for you – NOT A THING. As Skins fans, we used to look at Dallas as a good team/franchise because they dominated us for so long. The problem is, WE were the only team they could beat. As for Jerry himself, I think if Snyder hadn’t come along to steal the spotlight, Jones would be the laughingstock of the league. They spend about as much money as us, they have had tons of coaches AND QB’s in there, just like us, and their fans think they should be an elite team, just like US.

by CJHutch on Sep 23, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

good points

by VA_Skin on Sep 23, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Remember all the draft picks

the Vikings gave Dallas for Hershel Walker. The numerous draft picks gave Johnson an excellent roster that carried over for several years. Why didn’t Johnson succeed afterwards?

by Jefferson1935 on Sep 24, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he wasn't there

afterwards. But he made several good draft picks during his tenure. He also set up Miami pretty well before he left there, only Wannstedt screwed it up. Actually, if you think about it, the BIGGEST testament to Johnson’s genius is the obvious idiots he had working for him. (Norval, Wannstedt, Campo, etc)

by CJHutch on Sep 24, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True

But maybe they were good at the lower level jobs and just not cut out to be a head coach. But I don’t think so – I never though Norv Turner was even a good OC.

by ZakInOmaha on Sep 25, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What has Jones done to show he knows football??!!

He took over the team and subsequently ran off his HOF Head Coach and General Manager (who he never hired to begin with) after Jimmy built him a dynasty. Why? Simply put, ego. Jones actually thought he could assume all GM duties and perform at the same level as Jimmy Johnson. What has the last decade+ shown? That Jerry Jones doesn’t know football! ZERO playoff wins since the last decade of the last CENTURY. Jones is a terrible GM and most Cowboy fans would actually agree.

Now as an owner, I actually think Jones is pretty good. But I also think Snyder isn’t the antichrist a lot of people on here make him out to be. The bottom line is that the owner cannot be held directly accountable for a team winning and losing. He hires the people to bring in the talent to win games. That talent – the coaches and players – are the ones who are planning for the games, drawing the plays up, calling the plays, and are responsible for executing those plays with success. NOT Snyder.

by VA_Skin on Sep 23, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what has snyder done?

by grandpa grouse on Sep 23, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A whole bunch of nothing

except make our franchise one of the most financially profitable sports franchises in the world. But most fans don’t care about that. We want wins, championships actually. To add to our collection. But blaming Snyder for our wins and losses is ridiculous.

by VA_Skin on Sep 23, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm guessing

We’re all in agreement that Snyder hasn’t done anything to show that he knows football. I think (and I hope and pray) that he would tell everyone the same thing. We all know that Snyder does what he wants, how he wants so if he felt he truly knew football he would have already named himself GM by now, and that is something I don’t even want to think about.

by bigrm18 on Sep 23, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And that is why

Snyder is actually a better owner than Jones. He’s not as meddling and won’t ever anoint himself as GM. He knows his limits and he lets his people do their jobs. But he also holds those people accountable for their performance (as we have witnessed with the coaching carousel).

by VA_Skin on Sep 23, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cerrato is SNYDER

Snyder is the GM. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Cerrato is a “Yes Man”. How many offensive linemen have we drafted in the past decade? Cerrato is constantly agreeing with Snyder that we are one skilled free-agent away from the Super Bowl. If you think Snyder is a good owner, as the Greaseman says,“You need a check up from the neck up”

by SuperSkinsFan on Sep 24, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hear you

The problem I have with all the hate on Cerrato is that technically, he’s only been calling the shots for 2 years now. How many OL has he drafted in 2 years? One. Before that, Gibbs was our President of Football Operations and made the final personnel decisions. Spurrier before that, Schottenheimer before him, on & on. Cerrato may have been in the shadows the whole time advising, but he certainly wasn’t calling the shots.

by VA_Skin on Sep 24, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Snyder took over

a team that was bad and KEPT it bad. Nothing to be proud of. But Jones took a team that was god and MADE it bad. Which is worse?

by CJHutch on Sep 23, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In that case

Snyder is an average owner, and Jones is a crappy owner.

by bigrm18 on Sep 23, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd like to see

you call Snyder AVERAGE to his face.

Of course, you’d have to get on your knees first..

by CJHutch on Sep 24, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I will NOT give Snyder the compliment of being average

I think he is well below average. I would definetly tell him that. Why should I not? His record as an owner of the 3rd most valuable sports franchise (behind Manchester United and the Dallas Cowboys – Forbes 2008) is awful. The Skins have the worst record and NO championships out of the top five (Patriots and Yankees are 4th and 5th). The Cowboys have at least won the NFC East in 2007. We haven’t been in contention.

The Redskins football product is terrible.

If Snyder fires Zorn, we are in big trouble. NO ONE WANTS TO WORK for him. That is why he hired a Quarterbacks coach? What’s next? A special teams coach? Then a high school defensive coordinator?

The original post is that the 10 year woeful run of the Skins is because of Snyder (not Snyder vs. Jones). If it was, then I would have said something like “Isn’t Snyder a little better than Jones?”

The Curse of the Danny has been declared. Strap in and sit down. You will be here for a few decades (reference West Ham United and the Chicago Cubs — they have experience in this).

by SuperSkinsFan on Sep 24, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs