Pour Some Sugar On Me - Who Are the Washington Redskins?
People have come to expect unbridled optimism from me, both in this space and in general. And while I am far from beaten down, the fact is that I am alarmed. Jim Zorn had a bad day. The failure to convert red zone opportunities into touchdowns against the Rams was bad all by itself. But the fact that this has become a trend straddling two seasons in this offense is alarming. I am there. Where I am NOT though, is in a pissed off place after a win. You only get 16 chances to win each year (unless you make the playoffs of course), and regardless of the opponent, kneeling out the clock for the win is a feeling that needs to be enjoyed and celebrated in these parts. I mean, who do we think we are? The Patriots? The Colts? We are not a team that can afford to downplay or discount a victory. We simply are not in that position. We don't have to be blind to the general state of things, but on Sundays, as Redskins fans, shouldn't a win be enough right now? I struggle to reconcile our recent history on the field with the uncompromising expectations to "blow out an inferior opponent." I was right there with my Friday Night "Mights" predicting big things, but the failure to achieve some of those numbers would never constitute a failure on the part of the team (unless I start really lowering the bar on those "Mights".)
As for the booing in the stands, you won't hear me arguing with those people. But while I respect the right of people to boo, I don't believe in booing the home team. I'll leave it at that because it does no good to argue this point. Robert Henson may have chosen his words poorly, but I appreciate his energy and emotion. Of course players don't want to hear booing from their own fans. But ultimately, I know and you all know that the only way to silence the booing is to show us something better than we have been watching for what seems like a very, very long time.
What can we do on offense to establish a red zone identity, or even a touchdown scoring identity period? (read on after the jump to find out)
1) My first suggestion is that we come out on Sunday with a completely different and NEW red zone offensive set. I propose 5 linemen, JC, Cooley, Davis, Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell. These are the players that we have all been saying are our up and coming red zone threats. Let's get them all on the field at the same time and MAKE Zorn call a play that utilizes them. Moss and ARE simply don't scare anybody in the red zone. There is less room to work and once they get to the end zone, their size hurts them. There are only so many WR screens you can throw inside the 20. Zorn needs to be saved from himself. At the very least nobody can claim that he is not calling plays for these guys if they are all on the field at the same time. And we should have some size advantages as well with this set. Don't tell me they're not ready. They're who we have. Draw up some plays this week in practice and call them on Sunday.
2) We need to take more shots at the end zone once we cross midfield. Santana Moss can get open with that kind of space on the field. Kelly and/or Thomas could/should be targeted as well. Until we can reliably score inside the 20, we need to ramp up the chances we take at the end zone from outside the 20. This may very well be equal parts Zorn and Campbell but regardless, the ball has to go at the end zone from farther out until we prove we can work in the confines of the red zone.
3) Lose the trick plays until we prove we can do something that makes the defense over-pursue, thereby making our trick plays work. Don't we need to establish something on offense first before we can catch the defense overplaying their position? We are really only tricking ourselves if we believe we can convert any old gadget play in our bag. If Zorn can't see that our offense is not yet to the point where defenses are going to get tripped up by a reverse option, there might be a bigger problem here.
Ten Yard Fight: 10 Chances To Make One Good Point
1) Don't let the numbers fool you. Jake Delhomme is NOT back. If you own him in fantasy football, I would search desperately for someone who needs a quarterback and trade him immediately. He did tally 300 yards and a touchdown in the loss, so his trade value will probably never be higher.
2) I loved the no-huddle offense the Redskins ran at times on Sunday. For those watching at home, how did it appear to come off? Was JC catching anyone off guard? It looked to me like it was a pretty positive stretch.
3) The defense I have spent so long touting as ready to dominate from wire-to-wire got beaten Sunday by the Bengals! Green Bay...you're killing me. They continue to be a turnover machine though, with Charles Woodson adding two picks. The Packers get the Rams next week, so I would expect them to bounce back in a huge way.
4) Kurt Warner is not doing anything to help me with my prediction that Matt Leinart will be starting for Arizona by midseason. After he finished going 24-26 for just under 250 yards I actually looked rather stupid. I hate that, but when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I think what ends up making me right is the fact that he is one good hit away from beginning his HOF waiting period. That hip surgery concerns me. Any time old people have surgery on their hip, you have to be concerned.
5) The outcome of the Lions-Vikings game is slightly misleading. When you look at the box score of this game, some numbers stand out to you as troubling if you happen to be a marginally decent team getting ready to travel to Detroit. The Lions had only one less first down than the Vikings, a better 3rd down conversion percentage than the Vikings, and the exact same amount of total yards. Detroit led (barely) in overall time of possession and had more rushing yards than Minnesota. They even jumped out to a 10-0 lead in the second quarter. Ultimately, Adrian Peterson (who failed to get 100 yards on the ground) and Brett Favre wore them down and outscored them in the second half 20-3. The Lions also gave up 3 turnovers. A lot of people have the Vikings in the "world-beater" category. It would be wise to take this Detroit team very seriously these days, as it does not appear they will continue losing forever.
6) As a Redskins fan, there is little better than the feeling I get when we are playing Detroit. That is not cockiness or arrogance. I have been conditioned to think this way. The Redskins hold a 30-10 advantage in the 40-game series between the two teams (this includes a 3-0 record against Detroit in the playoffs.) And am I mistaken in thinking the Lions have only beaten us once since 1968? I know they beat us in the regular season once under Norv Turner but then later in that same season, we body slammed them in the playoffs (1999, right?). I can not think of another time we were beaten by the Lions. That doesn't mean squat after the kickoff this week, but it does feel good.
7) I put the Oakland Raiders on the clock for next year's draft in late August. I might not have been wrong, but at 1-1 on the year, they are showing signs of life. They played the Chargers very tough in the opener last week and stole one from the Chiefs this past Sunday. Their defense has been very quietly playing excellent football the last couple seasons. Jamarcus Russell has a 35% completion percentage so far this year, putting that defense in bad spots at times. What I like about this team is its willingness to run the ball, play good defense and take a few shots. They seem to kind of know who they are, which is at least slightly refreshing, even though what they are is not going to get them to the Super Bowl.
8) Earlier this offseason, I talked up the Saints' signing of Darren Sharper. You might not be paying too much attention to the Saints' defense in general thanks to the scoring spree by Drew Brees every week. But Sharper's 97-yard interception return for a touchdown was awesome. He still has it--only Rod Woodson has taken more balls back the other way for six. If Sharper can stay healthy this season, his presence and experience will become very important in the playoffs.
9) I guess I have to give Byron Leftwich a little love again. I am watching him mostly because we have to play him very soon. But he damn near put 300 yards on the board in a loss. That team seems to be in a bit of disarray in general. One Buc fan I ran into this weekend told me that new coach Raheem Morris simply isn't the guy and that they are as good as they are going to be for a very long time right now...at 0-2. Hmmmm...where else have I heard this sentiment?
10a) If you would have told me that in the Bears-Steelers tilt, one team would run for 43 yards and the other for over 100 yards, I would have bet my life that the team that covered more territory on the ground would be the winner. Yet, the Bears pulled out the win despite only getting 29 yards from their feature back Matt Forte. Jay Cutler did play well enough to deserve the win, but when the Steelers defense is able to make a team so one-dimensional it usually leads to them winning.
10b) The Dolphins' offense dominated the Colts defense. Over 80 plays on offense and over 45 minutes of possession still was not enough to overcome what Peyton Manning is capable of in just 14 minutes and change. Amazing.
Give Me the Numbers, STAT!
Last week, we looked at where the Redskins stood statistically against the rest of the league. On defense, they were 19th in the league in total yards allowed, 19th against the run and 18th against the pass. After week 2, the Redskins moved up to 12th overall in total defense, 10th against the pass, and 18th against the run. That long run given up to Steven Jackson killed them. We are 7th in total points allowed. Listen, the logical explanation for this move is that we played a better team in week one than we did in week two. So we expected our defensive ranking to improve, and it did. We are tied for 15th in total takeaways in the league right now, and tied for 14th in total takeaway differential (0). Our two sacks put us tied for 22nd in the league. This is where we did not expect to be. I will take the improvement in total defense, I will even stomach the middle-of-the-pack nature of our turnovers. But we can not remain at the bottom of the league in sacks this season. Albert Haynesworth appears to be earning his money but his presence simply MUST translate into more sacks. We have seen what sacks can do for a team--they can turn into fumbles that go for a touchdown the other way, they can take an offense out of field goal range, and they can immediately force an offense to become one-dimensional if a team has to pass on long yardage situations due to a sack. That is what we HAVE to have. So next week, we will continue to expect our defense to improve their standing in the league in total yards given up, and total points yielded. But the stat we need to start harping on is sacks. Sacks and turnovers. Because if we are going to be led by our defense, we are going to need more.
Can this town fall in love with a team led by its defense? It did not look like it on Sunday. Yet, that might be the question we face as this season wears on. We knew coming into the season that our strongest unit was our defense. We even knew it was possible that our defense would be asked to win games. But can we stomach an offense that we all think can be better than a "game management" unit? I have serious doubts. I also think it is a bit unrealistic that we can even win enough games to be considered an "elite team led by its defense" if we can't score ANY touchdowns against a team like the Rams.
For everyone out there who, after two weeks of the regular season, thinks there is no Kool-Aid left in the jug, think again. I am admitting that based on what we know now after two weeks, there is reason to be concerned. But at the same time I think we have to look at our upcoming schedule and consider that if our offense has any chance to get it figured out, it would be against some of our upcoming opponents. I hate to say things like, "It takes offenses a few weeks to get rolling," since this offense was far from rolling last winter, but it is still true. And at 1-1, with a chance to stake ourselves to a winning record after three games, I find myself in more of a hopeful place than a stressful one. We're going to have to get comfy with who we are and extract as much enjoyment as possible from it. No need to call for anyone's head yet...the one thing we know this team is capable of doing is changing organizational direction on a dime (whether we think it is the right thing to do or not.)
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Atta guy
Nice, ken. Ladle me some Kool Aid, would you? Red zone was abysmal. Nothing else was. Sure can’t wait to turn orakpo loose though.
One thing. With big outside threats in the red zone like Kelly, Thomas, or Mitchell, you still could use moss or ARE in the slot. I just want sellers out of there and I want to spread it out a bit!
by bigredsnapper on Sep 22, 2009 6:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Zorn afraid to run a play action bootleg?
It is a wonderful goal line play… especially on 1st and 2nd downs. If it’s not there… the tight end is covered, just throw it away, or scramble for a score.
I have been waiting for it since Zorn was hired. He never does it. Just run left, run middle, run right. My wife knows the Skins are gonna run it on the goal line for Christ’s sake. Defensive Coordinators everywhere must be laughing at Zorn.
by williamhudsonlink on Sep 22, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reg #1, you need a rb in there…I’d pull thomas…it is a great thought and overall post!
by les boulez bomber on Sep 22, 2009 7:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What if we lined up Thomas or Davis in the backfield?
You don’t expect them to hand it off to either, which would make it an interesting call, and both can get out of the backfield for a pass. (This is what I do in Madden by the way)
by Sugar on Sep 22, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
Marcus Mason isn’t adding anything this team already doesn’t have. Still wish we kept Alridge.
by KevinE on Sep 22, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I HATE
to admit this, but I saw no reason to put Mason in the other day. Everything was going smoothly, then you throw in the unknown. Our guys don’t even know how to block for him yet. Ideally, I woulda like to see him make his 1st appearance once we’re up 21 points on someone. In fact, Larry Weismann, said something to that affect on Redskins Nation yesterday – that they activated him because they thought they’d be up by a bunch of points. HA!!
Of course, at this rate, MM would NEVER get in under my scenario.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody keeps talking about the OL
I really wish we would have drafted a legit backup for CP now. He just doesn’t look like the same runner I’m used to seeing. He’s GOT to break 100 against the Lionesses!!
by VA_Skin on Sep 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he looked good Sunday
just not in the redzone
by smutsboy1 on Sep 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe this
is a taboo subject around Redskins park. I think that Snyder is closer to Portis than anyone else on the team. He probably has pictures of the guy , in his treehouse. I really have a feeling that we’re gonna be watching Portis stumble through holes on a walker. It seems they extend the guy every year, and they refuse to bring in anyone to legitimately push him.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So True
Portis is a good trade piece now. We should see what we can get for him. At least draft a RB in the first 3 rounds to develop behind him.
by williamhudsonlink on Sep 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suggest going heavy jumbo with Haynesworth at TE next to Samels or at FB inside the 5. Make him earn his paycheck! But that might be too creative for Zorn.
by liger99 on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
naw
I’d be nervous about the defenders trying to hurt him. I’d rather put Alexander back there, lead blocking for Sellers.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I remember Alexander in the jumbo package for Gibbs a few years back. If anyone can stop that jumbo package from a TD we don’t deserve to score.
by bigrm18 on Sep 22, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know who loves jumbo package?
KevinF.
Hahaha
by SSBlitz on Sep 22, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say play to ‘win’ and use both Alexander and Haynesworth.
Sounds like something Zorn would say:
I’d be nervous about the defenders trying to hurt him.
by liger99 on Sep 22, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
It’s not like we don’t have other players that are the same size, or at least near the size of Haynesworth. It’s no reason to risk the 100 million dollar man getting hurt when we can use another player that isn’t as meaningful to our success.
by bigrm18 on Sep 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the game is on the line, I would use it. I would have it ready and use it only when needed. Our line got pushed back the Rams…something is needed. Daniels could be an option. I would hate to miss the palyoff by one or two games b/c we cant score inside the 5. We are going to be in tight games all year, so it will make a difference. Zorn sends Moss out for critical punt returns, so maybe?
by liger99 on Sep 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe, but
you have to admit that they would look for cheapshots. The way he wrecks offenses, I’m sure a team would love a shot at him and maybe take him outta the game. I’d be just fine with Alexander leading for Sellers.
Actually, I don’t know why we’re even talking about this. Zorn won’t even run right, why in the hell would he use a jumbo package?
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how it is possible that they can watch film on this game and not see that there is a problem with first and goal offense. All options should be on the table. I’m counting on Buges to let Zorn know what options they have. It is going to be pretty upsetting if Zorn sticks to his guns and does nothing.
by liger99 on Sep 22, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the Ravens in 2008.
They used the jumbo outside the red zone. Initially they were not that effective against the Skins, but eventually they wore down the defense. That is one formation where Mike Williams may be worth his salt in the line. There may be some other guys with size that can run better than Sellers on the roster. Sellers should still be the blocking back.
by Jefferson1935 on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, he should
but in “Jumbo” situations, he’d be our best option. When he gets his pads low it is VERY hard to get the guy down. He may not be as fast as Brandon Jacobs, but I’ve gotta believe that DB’s are scared of the notion of going against Big Mike.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After that
Incident Kenoy Kennedy had with Mike Sellers, I find it hard to believe that DB’s aren’t scared of him
by bigrm18 on Sep 22, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto that...
I still like Sellers as the lone back, pull Thomas out of your line-up. Not only do they have to respect Sellers on the run, he has usually been a good swing pass type receiver. Bummer he dropped the TD Sunday. (Have to give Zorn kudos on that play. Not a play calling issue.)
Liked the overall sentiment of the article and all 3 numbered points were spot on.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job
As for the sacks, it’s time to call Blache to the carpet. His refusal to utilize different blitz packages is simply out dated. I know that they have the same identity, but I actually got EXCITED watching the Jets and Ravens. I had goosebumps watching the Jets send 7 guys at Brady with the game on the line. THAT’s how you get sacks/turnovers/pressure. Yes, Big Al is doing his job. I think he’s a monster. But we’r estill sending 4 against 5 most of the time, and that just doesn’t get it done. I wanna see some UNCONTROLLED chaos out there. Like I said before, put Wilson and B-Rak out there at the same time and send ‘em both full bore at the QB, first one there gets to tear his head off and mount it on their wall. Sorry, if I’m a QB, I’d much rather be looking at 6 or 7 defenders spread all around the field than 6 or 7 defenders coming straight at me with evil intentions.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 7:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But wait, there's more
Speaking of wonderful defense, I’m surprised no one’s mentioned the coverage (cough, cough) on the TD. Something tells me we don’t run any fades into the end zone in practice, because it looked like we had no idea where or how to position ourselves physically as a defender on that play. Unless putting ones chin to the opponent’s knee with your back to the QB is considered optimal defensive position. Then again, maybe he just tripped….
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...that one hurt
I had a great view of that one…it came right at my corner of the field. Wasn’t Landry in the area too? DHall really got worked.
by Sugar on Sep 22, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
Landry basically was not in the play, several yds off the ball behind DH and with back to the QB.
A side note: Unfortunately, this is an incredibly difficult offensive play to conceive and execute as it requires the QB and the receiver to make a READ on the defender. It also calls for the QB to LOFT the ball and for the receiver to use one or two hands to CATCH it. Of course, one other important element is required – the coach must CALL the play.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah - yer right
odds are stacked against us EVER seein that play on our side.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and it makes me wonder how good this defense could be with some blitzing.
by ZakInOmaha on Sep 22, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pass me a shot of kool-aid
As much as I question Zorn’s play-calling, he did succeed in the red zone. Two Td passes were dropped. However, keep doing that. If you call Fred Davis, Marko, Malcolm and they drop balls or run terrible routes…call them out psot-game as things they need to work on. We need to do something different. That’s obvious.
That sideline debacle with Danny Smith is also VERY alarming. Zorn was signaling for timeout before that 4th down play while there was still lots of time on the clock. Danny Smith came running in and stopped Zorn from doing it. Zorn said he couldn’t see the play-clock b/c of the pile of guys. This has to be a joke, right? We all know at Fedex there are multiple play clocks…including one above the scoreboard (see pic). I can tolerate mistakes, but ignorance and not fessing up to mistakes is inexcusable.
by KevinE on Sep 22, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes! Kevin's back on board!
Yeah the Danny Smith intervention (and Jim Zorn’s appearance during crunch time of that game in general) does not give me any confidence. But Zorn can only improve from this point. The only thing that would keep him back is if he is entirely clueless or hopelessly stubborn, and you gotta think he is only partly clueless and frustratingly stubborn. There is no excuse for not putting the big receivers on the field in the redzone and not letting Jason throw it.
You have to hand it to Danny Smith though. After abysmal Special Teams all last season (worst in the league?) I have been entirely impressed by all Teams so far. It even seems like Suisham’s kickoffs are going farther.
by Boo. on Sep 22, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm always on board...
It’s just it takes 48 hours for the booze to clear my system and the ‘kool-aid’ brain cells to get restored. I wouldn’t be going to the games if I really disliked this team…
by KevinE on Sep 22, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
There is no excuse for not putting the big receivers on the field in the redzone and not letting Jason throw it.
This is my #1 gripe. Put them in, and use their advantages. I saw an interview with Kelly last week where he said it’s nice to be tall because you can do things other guys couldn’t even if they wanted to. Nothing profound, I know. But it rings so true. Let the big guys make big guys plays. (like St. Louis did) Furthermore, Zorn is handicapping JC’s ability to become a good NFL QB by not giving him the chance to throw TD’s.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Imagine if we put our two 6’4" WRs on the field with a two TE set with Cooley and Fred Davis. Most offensive coordinators would salivate in red zone situations if they had two pass catching TEs to go along with two 6’4" WRs. Damn. Or, if you don’t want to go to Fred Davis, use a 3 WR set with two 6’4" WRs and a 6’1" WR. Moss and ARE are great in open space but they are virtually ineffective in the Red Zone! Marko Mitchell was a TD catching machine in pre-season, doesn’t he at least deserve a chance to show that he might be capable of doing it in a real NFL game. Zorn says no. Zorn is coaching scared and I’m tired of it. Open up the damn play book, use all your personnel, and go for it all. I mean it’s likely his last season anyway, why not just get after it with an all or nothing mentality?!! This coaching scared crap is for the birds. Zorn needs to stand up and be a man!!
by Kurtstack on Sep 22, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely agree
Not only is Zorn coaching scared, but his job is on the line.
If not now, when?
by smutsboy1 on Sep 23, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you are correct, Sir...
I was not just pleasantly surprised, but excited by the special teams play. They kept us in good field position, and more importantly, if you are going to hang your hat on being primarily a Defensive Team, kept the Rams backed up almost all day. Many good tackles and players really let it hang out and converged on the ball well. H the P avg’d 48 yds/punt, which is even better than I expected out of him.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The above comment was in
response to Boo’s comment re Danny Smith, if that wasn’t evident by it’s placement in the string of quotes.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather take an early timeout.
Than a penalty for back-to-back timeouts. Now THAT was embarrassing.
by SSBlitz on Sep 22, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick note on booing...
Philadelphia fans booed the Phillies by the 6th inning in their home opener…classic!
by KevinE on Sep 22, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to be a booer, but...
Not all of the frustration of being a Redskins fan is driven by their performance. Lot’s of the frustration people are feeling is because the front office seems very adept at picking the fans’ pockets to the last thread, yet (despite spending big bucks) unable to come up with a model for success. (And that’s putting it in the mildest terms possible.) Every year, it seems, prices go up in one form or another – parking!!(highest in the league if I’m not mistaken), beer , T-shirts/hats – everything!! Then you have the ticket “scandal” where loyal fans are shunned in favor of the oppositions’ fans just to sell ridiculously over priced yellow seats. You endure this to the point that when you watch such mediocre play (out of a fairly talented bunch) the boos just come out. What is the big surprise?
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trust me...
I wasn’t surprised. And like I said, I didn’t argue with any booers. I just kind of soaked it in. It seemed clear to me that the boos were for Zorn and Snyder to be honest. And I am not trying to say the boos were undeserved. I just can’t bring myself to boo at home. Such a downer.
by Sugar on Sep 22, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I have to say...
booing doesn’t add to the NFL Experience, such that it is, in Washington. When you are passionate about your team you emote – good and bad. I am still rooting them on to get better. Maybe this will look like the darkest part of the dawn by the time the season is over.
On the super plus side, we did get to see an owner just as pocket-pickety as our own lose on the last play of the game to a division rival. All is not unfair in the world. :)
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How great would it be
if the Cowboys lose all of their divisional home games?
by Boo. on Sep 22, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
I thought the booing was 40% owner, 10% players, and 40% Zorn. Suing the fans for $$ and then having expensive players like DHall get burned by a Rams WR is gonna rain down some boos…especially when hammered on $8 miller lights.
by KevinE on Sep 22, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love $8.00
DOMESTIC LIGHT Beers!! Granted there is overhead and the vendors need to make some money, but…..wait, there is no overhead, unless you consider those little stands high rent district. Oh, yeah. I wonder what Snyder gets for those 6X4 plots of stadium-estate? But this is a different discussion, entirely.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close
– parking!! (highest in the league if I’m not mistaken)
The Chicago Bears have the highest parking fee: $46. Four other teams charge $40 or more while the Redskins collect $35.
Here’s some Snyder propaganda for everyone…
http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/NFL_Blitz__Holding_the_Line_On_Ticket_Prices
by VA_Skin on Sep 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a related note
I parked 1.5 miles away on Sunday for $15 and hit little traffic on the beltway. It was excellent.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of
I’m sure you guys have seen this, but I think it’s AWESOME. Best place to watch the Cowgals.
http://deadspin.com/5344216/cowboys-stadium-offers-valuable-seating-behind-this-brick-wall
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short term fixes
With your short term fixes the team can be competetive but the long term problem of not having a real FO and ignoring the needs of the OL will not be addressed.
To me this year has been much like the last 18 which is full of potential but not likely to produce. So I’ll keep cheering and hope for the best but I’ll also keep my expectations in check so they don’t get crushed too much.
After watching the Vikings – Lions game last week I think the team had better be prepared for a very tough game this weekend.
by ZakInOmaha on Sep 22, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A win is a win... I guess
Hey we dominated every aspect of the game be it defense or offense except when we got to the red zone. But I would take the win like we did over losing to them again like last year. Oh and is anyone else not at all impressed with Deangelo Hall’s play thus far in the season. He really needs to step it up!!!
by h money on Sep 22, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Hall's poo poo performance so far
might be keeping Blache from sending LBs and safeties into the backfield. He needs to give help to Hall’s side of the field when he misses his open field tackle.
by Boo. on Sep 22, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than that...
Rogers and Smoot on the other side don’t give you a whole lot of comfort, either. So the blitz becomes a huge gamble; more than it should be.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody remember 2007?
When we beat the Dolphins 16-13 in OT for the home opener? Remember the Dolphins wwent on to be 1-15 and we made the playoffs?
Moral of the story settle down everybody!
by pas493 on Sep 22, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not to mention the Giants started 0-2 when everybody said Eli was a bust....
Super bowl.
by KevinE on Sep 22, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Eli was a bust and Coughlin should have been fired, yet somehow they won the Super Bowl.
We can definitely improve, but based on Zorn’s comments about his playcalling it seems as if he’s perfectly fine with everything and doesn’t want to change. We aren’t going to win many games if we continue to only score FGs.
by bigrm18 on Sep 22, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I do remember...
A big, talented O-line that were earth movers as well as great pass blockers – and they had an ATTITUDE. And any QB, running back or receiver Gibbs put in excelled because of it.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
those Art
Monk double reverses were sweet. The slowest guy on the field, running the slowest developing play in the play book, and he’s getting chunks of yardage. Man I miss those days.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because
he was running right down Rt 66.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
if you settle for mediocrity, that is what you become, mediocre. I am gald to win, but it strikes fear that i will only have that feeling maybe six more times this year. Wins in December suck after losing for two straight months.
by brettpedigo on Sep 22, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
About next week...
be afraid. Be very afraid.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Jamarcus Russell has a 35% completion percentage so far this year
by smutsboy1 on Sep 22, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The HB option pass
You know why this call was so miserable? Because it was 3rd and goal from the 5. IE a passing down.
He called a fake-run pass play on an obvious passing down.
What is wrong with him?
Also I rewatched the game on tivo yesterday, and least 6-7 times Mike Sellers motioned out of the backfield on a run play. This seems like a pretty dumb idea. If he’s on the field, use him as a FB. He’s very good at blocking.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 22, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you're right
nobody is getting fooled by a fake run play on 3rd and 5.
by ZakInOmaha on Sep 22, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want Zorn to use Mike Sellers as the FB that he is? I don’t know if that’s going to work, that idea seems kinda sketchy if you ask me.
by bigrm18 on Sep 22, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reply fail :(
Was replying to Smutsboy1
by bigrm18 on Sep 22, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially since...
he lacks size for that position…..
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right?
I mean, why else is he on the field? pass catching?
this seems like a classic case of over-thinking things. Zorn gets worried they know its a run, so he motions Sellers out to try to fool the defense. and all he achieves is the same run play, only without a FB.
by smutsboy1 on Sep 22, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spot on...
with the overthinking observation. At some point you need to go with option 1 – your best bet with the talent you’ve got. That may be JC on the rollout to the wide side with the option to run it in. He has shown the ability to move the ball with his legs. If the D has to respect that, then the rollout pass becomes more viable.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team Led by defense
I don’t mind having a team led by the defense…if it was more explosive. We may get key stops but we’re not turning the ball over and we’re still not getting enough sacks. Against better teams we may keep them out of the end-zone but they’re still getting inside field goal range.
I’d like to see at least one defensive touchdown this season…please?
by snowburnt on Sep 22, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The only really....
Defense-led team to win the SB was the Ravens. But they were a SCORING defense as much as anything. Huge +turnovers and Ed Reed & Co. were picking up fumbles and picking off passes for 6 pts. (I seem to remember some big plays that year on Special Teams, too.) And they were not a “bend but do not break” defense either, which effectively keeps your offense off the field without affecting the score.
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is
hard to believe, but Ed Reed wasn’t on the Ravens when they won the SB. They had Rod Woodson.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A statistic I don't want to see...
Who has more drops this season? Our WRs or our DBs?
by Scott E on Sep 22, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I loved the no-huddle offense the Redskins ran at times on Sunday. For those watching at home, how did it appear to come off? Was JC catching anyone off guard? It looked to me like it was a pretty positive stretch.
We actually looked like an organized machine at times (albeit against the Lambs). But that red zone was like a wall that couldn’t be crossed. I do like the sound of this though:
My first suggestion is that we come out on Sunday with a completely different and NEW red zone offensive set. I propose 5 linemen, JC, Cooley, Davis, Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell.No one under 6’ in the red zone. Right on.
by VA_Skin on Sep 22, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree to an extent
My first suggestion is that we come out on Sunday with a completely different and NEW red zone offensive set. I propose 5 linemen, JC, Cooley, Davis, Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell.
I like the possibilties of the formation. Except that until whoever replaces Randy Thomas proves that he can pass block well enough, I think an extra blocker lined up next to JC is going to be necessary. I think that the 5 linemen, JC, Cooley and any 2 of the Fab 4 lol (Davis/Thomas/Kelly/Mitchell) plus either Portis or Sellers to pass block or possibly roll out after protection would still cause alot of problems. However, you’re not going to scare anybody if your pass catchers cant hold on to the ball…..(cough) Thomas (cough) Sellers
by CuseSkinsfan1 on Sep 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A win is a win and we dominated most of the aspects of the game. BUT we didn’t CONTROL the game. There is a big difference between how the Giants beat us and how we beat the Rams. I could care less about blowing out the opponent and putting 35 points up on the scoreboard. I want to see our team play sound football. The Rams are 1 safety away from tieing that game. If Horton doesn’t cause that fumble, the Rams are in position to take the lead.
In the first two games our team hasn’t played inspiring football. Yes we won, but they aren’t showing us they can play the type of football that will take you deep into the playoffs or even to the playoffs at all. That’s why the boos rained down.
by sgf21 on Sep 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I re-watched the
game on my fake-me-out- Tivo this morning, and I STILL had white knuckles on that last pass that Horton tried to catch defended. If Horton is a step slower on that play, it’s a TD. The ball was pretty much on the money, and Avery had nothing but green in front of him. CH was definitely our MVP of that game.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That entire defensive series was incredible
The pressure from Big Al and Rak especially is something we need to see. I believe Orakpo was playing on the line for all four of those plays.
by Boo. on Sep 22, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is where he should be
I know Andre Carter has been a professional. He just hasn’t been a professional pass rusher. I think B-Rak belongs in that spot. I can’t wait for the day where him and Jarmon are lined up opposite each other. I think they’ll reek havoc like the Giants’ guys.
by CJHutch on Sep 22, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horton
is awesome and thank God he pulled that off. Not to disrespect him but I feel like his quality says a lot about how terrible our drafting is. All our early ‘08 picks barely contribute while the 7th round guy comes to play. It makes me think my cousin vinny doesn’t even look into the people we ultimately end up drafting.
by SkinsOsTerps on Sep 22, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that
Our ’08 – 2nd and 3rd round picks – still may prove to be great. We must be patient.
by VA_Skin on Sep 22, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
I feel like his quality says a lot about how terrible our drafting is
When a team drafts a starter in the 7th round, they’re usually looked at as a great drafting franchise. We don’t want to draft O-lineman so we don’t belong in that category. But because we found Horton in the 7th round doesn’t mean our drafting is terrible, the fact that we don’t draft O-lineman means our drafting is terrible.
Just because our second round picks have yet to contribute doesn’t mean that they’re busts or anything like that. it’s not like Cerrato randomly picked their names out of a hat. Each of those players were looked at as being the best at their position in that draft so I don’t fault Cerrato for drafting any of them.
Granted, they were useless their rookie year, but their teammates and even the coaches have said that they looked ready to contribute this year. Nonetheless, come game day their numbers are hardly ever called on. It’s hard to contribute if you aren’t given much of a chance to do so. Horton on the other hand was given that chance and is now a starter on our defense. Hopefully our 2nd round picks will receive their chance and prove their worth, if they aren’t able to do so they should stop wasting everyone’s time and just cut their ties with the team.
by bigrm18 on Sep 22, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bootleg
It’s time to start running bootlegs in the redzone. It puts pressure on the secondary. I’ll be looking for bootlegs and roll-outs in the redzone where Campbell can run for the pylon or hit Cooley in the back of the endzone. Oh and throw in a fade once in a while. Spread out the defense and you’ll find many more opportunities to punch it in.
by Kurtstack on Sep 22, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fun fact
I just heard this on the radio, but did you guys know the Giants are 0 for 8 in the redzone this year? And yet they’ve scored 30 more points than we have. I think this team needs to realize its ok to score on 60 or 70 yard plays; not every possession needs to be a grind.
by Strong Side on Sep 22, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
14 of those points
Are on defensive touchdowns. The big turnovers didn’t come last week but there were at least two plays in the STL game that should have been made that would have given us very short fields (the C-Griff near-pick and the negated fumble recovery). They will come. Does anyone else have the feeling that Orakpo is starting to get more used to the speed of the game and Haynesworth is starting to get into game shape? They were a force at the end of that game.
On the offensive side, the grinds are very important sometimes, but that Miami game last night and the way the Giants have played shows that they clearly aren’t enough. The great news is that I think everyone on the offense, including Zorn, is confident that they can make those big plays!!! CP said so with his “bombs over baghdad” comment and they have taken some shots down field.
Here’s looking forward to a breakout game on both sides of the ball this weekend!!!
by Boo. on Sep 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm talking about!
I love Tuesdays
by Sugar on Sep 22, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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