A different look at the RB conundrum
I've been a little surprised by the amount of people in favor of cutting Betts or Rock in favor of Mason on HH recently. CJ had a pretty good post about it today. He also asked me a good question in the comments when I said I felt if Portis got hurt tomorrow Betts could give us 1100 yards as our feature back. "And what have you seen out of Betts since ‘06 that says he can produce 1100 yds as a feature back? I don’t think he’s had a 100 yd game since that year, and Portis has been out a few times." That prompted me to do a little research and see if I still felt the same way. After writing out the whole comment I figured I'd just make it it's own post and give some other thoughts about the RB situation. This isn't really a rebuttal of CJ's post cuz I agree with many of his points. His post and comment just prompted me to put my thoughts in a semi-coherent manner for once. Poll and some thoughts after the jump.
As for Mason over Rock I think it's kinda obvious the team figures they are gonna keep Rock. They lost Thrash, Khary Campbell, Demetric Evans and Fincher in the last year from ST. Thats alot of Vet leadership. I don't think they'd let Fincher go if they were also gonna let Rock go. He's not only our returner he's a ST leader and a great tackler. I feel the team has already decided to keep Rock and I actually agree with them. He's too important to our ST to be replaced by someone who is bad at teams. Especially if we keep Marko and have him learn ST on the fly. Also remember MM is in his 3rd preseason. He's not a draft pick who can rest on his laurels to make a team. The fact that a guy who has to do everything he can to make a team is still so bad at ST in his 3rd preseason tells me he'll either never be good at it or he just hasn't put in the effort necessary. I don't like either scenario if we are expecting him to contribute in any way on ST this year, which is a must if your gonna cut Rock.
As for Betts I still feel he is our best option at RB if Portis goes down for the season early. In 2006 he ran for 1100 yards in basically 2/3rds of a season. He is now 29 but has had only about 200 touches the last 2 seasons and has only missed 3 games over the last 3 seasons(including two 16-game seasons). So I feel like he is fresh still and in good shape. I also doubt the coaches would be raving about him if he had significantly lost his game over the last 2 seasons. I agree that Betts hasn't shown that he's a 1,000 yard rusher since 2006 but I feel that is due to lack of carries. I don't believe the fact that he hasn't had a 100 yard game since is a very compelling piece of evidence against him.
I decided to go and look through all the game logs at Pro Football reference to get a better grasp of his ability to be the feature back if Portis goes down early. I decided to compare Betts history of being the feature back with the man he would be asked to replace since I feel like Betts can replace most of Portis's production if he had too. Since 100 yards a game is a pretty round and easy number I chose that to use as a benchmark for a succesful rushing game. Since I was talking about feature back here and to eliminate fluky outliers like Rock's 9 carry 100+ performance I chose to look at just the games where Portis or Betts had 20+ carries as 20 seems to be the minimum amount of carries to be considered the feature back for a game. I felt that comparing their whole careers would help compensate for any disparity in O-lines during their games. Portis had 2 great lines in Denver which should help compensate for any bad O-line years he might have endured in later seasons(like last year).
While Portis has often been banged up and hasn't finished every game, he has played in all 33 games the skins have played in the 2007 and 2008 seasons. In that time Betts has only gotten double digit carries twice(11,17). Tough to get a 100 yards when your averaging like 7-8 carries a game. Part of this is because the 3 games Betts has missed the past 3 seasons happened to coincide with the stretch last year where Portis was banged up and couldn't go all game. Unfortunate luck. I also feel like CP would have sat those games if Betts had been available instead of limping through a half which underscores the necessity to have a guy who can take up Portis's slack if need be even more.
I looked through every game in Betts's career and he has gotten 20+ carries 9 times. He reached 100 yards in 7 of those games. The ones he didn't he gained 83 and 92 yards. This meant he got a 100 yard game in 78% of the contests he got 20+ carries. A third of his 20+ games were only 20 carry games.
I then looked at CP's career. He has gotten 20+ carries 62 times. He reached the 100 yard mark 39 times in those games for 63% percent. He had a way higher percentage of his carries in the 25-38 carry range than Betts did.
So when you are comparing portis and Betts's 20+ carry games Betts has had less carries on average in those games but still gained 100 yards 15% more often than Portis did.
By no means am I saying Betts is better than CP. 8 out of the 9 times Betts got 20+ carries was in 2006 and the fact that his sample size was so much smaller than CP's leaves a large margin of error. Still I wanted to point it out when I say that I feel Betts has delivered as a feature back almost as often, if not as often, as Portis has in his career. Betts hasn't gotten many opportunities as a feature back over his career due to the presence of CP but when we have rang the bell he has delivered at a very dependable rate for us.
This is a veteran team with a still developing QB and young receivers. If Portis goes down we need a dependable replacement if we wanna go to the playoffs. Betts has proven he can do that. Especially in comparison to MM. MM has 2 nice blocks in the Pats game but also struggled on several other plays(at least one of which he was blown up by Merriweather getting Campbell hit and forcing an incompletion). While Betts isn't as strong as Portis as a blocker he is a stronger blocker right now than MM and I don't wanna fool around with someone who hasn't proven an ability to be a decent pass blocker or reciever out of the backfield yet.
I gotta admit I just don't see what everyone else does in MM as a runner. That is subjective so feel free to disregard but it's not like the dude has been tearing up the preseason. He has only been the lead rusher once and was mediocre against the Patriots first team last game. He also doesn't really fit the mold of a change of pace back he is more in the mold of CP and Betts. I 100% would love to get a speedy elusive guy to throw in for 5-8 plays a game as a complement to Portis/Betts. I agree Betts is too similar in style to be a great change of pace for Portis but they can split 30-32 rushes a game between them keeping them both fresh all game/season and find 5-8 carries in addition to some pass touches for a speed guy. I can see that really helping this team but that doesn't sound like Mason. It sounds more like Aldridge than Mason. If we could find the roster room I'd love to keep CP, Betts, Rock and Aldridge or Dorsey or some other speed guy. That way Betts is always there to take over if Portis goes down early in the season and we add another element to the offense. If we can't find the room then we can just go with the CP/LB/RC this year and look for a decent speed back next year maybe even with a late round draft pick. I just feel like if we let Betts go and Portis get's hurt for an extended time we would regret cutting Betts. Plus guys like Aldridge and Mason are always available if Portis or Betts go down. Our D and most of our offense is meant to make a playoff run this year and I don't want to waste it if Portis gets hurt. Especially since we have no cap reasons to cut Betts now anyways. What do you guys think?
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another option
if it’s possible to keep 3 other RB’s as your options indicate, why couldn’t it be Betts, Rock and Mason? Personally I think they need a RB who can spell Portis regularly (10-15 carries a game instead of 7-8) who also has a different style, something Betts doesn’t have, which is why I’d like them to keep Mason. I can’t imagine cutting Rock due to the impact that would have on ST.
Yeah
that was the option I was looking for
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
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Added the option
sorry for the brain fart.
by BayAreaBullet on Sep 2, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really see how Mason has a style different from Portis but point noted. I was saying only that Betts has been getting 7-8 carries in the past(coaching staff hasn’t been utilizing him and thereby running Portis into the ground every year). If him and Portis were splitting 30-32 rushes I would envision Betts getting 10-12 of those. I wasn’t very clear about that. Judging by their comments it seems like the team is trying to give Betts more as well this year. It was amazing how many 30+ plus carry games Portis has had looking though the game logs. I’d love to see Portis getting only 20 carries in addition to his pass-touches.
by BayAreaBullet on Sep 2, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Great article.
I would definitely feel more comfortable with Betts taking over for Portis. I’m still skeptical about him though but I agree that it’s too huge a risk to lay the responsibility on Mason if Portis goes down and it would be downright stupid to get rid of Rock for all the reasons above.
I’ve been hesitant to put Mason on the pedistool so far but I have liked what I’ve seen from him.
I still think we need to find a back that is a compliment to Portis that could maybe even take over for him in a few years though and that is most definitely not Mason IMO.
Hopefully the coaches make the right decisions on final cuts to make this team the best it can be.
if they can only keep 3
I was just rethinking the issue and I can’t see keeping Mason over Betts if they can only keep 3 other RBs because from what little I’ve read Mason isn’t proficient at blocking yet.
At least with RB’s they usually don’t need years of grooming to be effective so before they spend high draft picks on a replacement for Portis they need to address the offensive line.
I may be
in the minority as far as Betts goes. I like what he’s done for us overall, and I thought it was great when we resigned him pretty cheap. But I just think he’s outlived his usefullness. I think that’s our biggest problem with this team, we don’t know when to move on. Look at Pittsburgh. They get rid of guys every year, and replace them with someone younger and usually better. I KNOW we don’t have the personnel dept to get away with this, but it’d be nice. I’m already convinced we’re going to keep Portis past his mark, I just hope we have someone else in there as well.
Sorry, I got on a tangent there. Anyway, as far as Betts himself, I don’t want to minimize what he’s done for us, but you do have to realize that at one point we actually had a god line. AND they were built for smashmouth running, which Portis wasn’t ready for when he got here. I think that’s one big reason for Betts’ big ‘06. The line was excited to be blocking for a more physical back, which Betts was then. Regardless, that was all in the past. I’ve seen enough out of Betts recently to realize he’s past his prime for me to think he’s past his prime. The number of carries is a little misleading anyway. He’s still gone through the practices, preseasons, not to mention been on WAY more special teams than Portis. And finally, I go back to the blocking. He is not very good at it. And the goal line package. He just can’t get in when we need it.
Now, all that said, I will say this. The Junkies brought up the fact this morning that the team doesn’t HAVE to keep 3 QB’s. Now, I know the “Cult” will put a hit out on me for this, but think about it. When is the last time our 3rd stringer actually played a regular season game? It’s very rare. And, face it, if we ever got to that point (bodybag game?), we’re most likely so far out of the game anyway it doesn’t matter. So how about this – put Colt or Chase on the practice squad, then keep 4 HB’s. If JC goes down, you could always call up one of the young’uns the next week.
OK, I’m wearing my styrofoam suit. Let the darts fly.
I guess I don't see Mason as better than Betts right now
Betts is a way better blocker than Mason right now IMO. Plus he is our best pass catcher among the RB’s. For everyone worried about our o-line they should be pulling for Betts cuz his ability to stay in and block or pick up 10 yards in a check down will help immensely against other teams pass rush. If Betts gets cut that means Portis must play all 3rd downs which will give him a huge work load. Mason hasn’t shown anything this preseason check his stats.
As for the QB thing I’m cool with that as ARE can be the QB in a pinch if we have a body bag game. I see Rock as basically the 7th or 8th LB on ourteam. The guy who is not gonna get any defensive snaps in a game but is there for ST prowess.
by BayAreaBullet on Sep 2, 2009 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I understand the line
of thinking. But I’ve seen Betts whiff on way to many blitz pickups to call him a “good blocker.” Actually, that’s one of my biggest problems with him.
colt or chase on practice squad. another team will snatch them up quickly.
cut Rock we have better RBs,and D.Thomas will be better at special teams returns
by CHAOS-BRINGER on Sep 3, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
D. Thomas is not a ST replacement option for Rock
Rock is also a great tackler in ST. Thomas can’t hold down every position Rock does. Here’s a quote from the ST coach in the Post yesterday.
""The thing that people don’t realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that’s four spots. When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.
"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That’s the difference. It’s not like when you lose a fullback and say, ‘Well, we’ll just go to another formation.’ In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."
Also I doubt Colt or Chase would get snatched up and if they did who cares they would be our 4th best QB. I’d rather hold onto one of the best kick returners in the league and someone who actually contributes to our team.
by BayAreaBullet on Sep 3, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess we just disagree a little. I think Betts is a solid(not great but solid) blocker while Mason is poor but improving. I did find your comment about the O-line intriguing though. Portis had pretty much the same starting O-line for the 2 years preceding Betts’s breakout year and by 2006 Portis was pretty much a smashmouth back anyways(though Betts was bigger/stronger). The interesting thing is that we basically have the same o-line as 2006 right now(replace Jansen with Heyer) so maybe our line is still set up to block better for Betts. I’m not hating on MM I just don’t think he has performed well enough this preseason to justify making the team with his ST and blocking deficiencies.
As an aside it seems like we will def. have too keep Portis too long due to salary cap implications so prepare your self.

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