Hogs Haven: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Spencer Hall's College Football Week 12 Alphabetical

WaPost Drops Bombshell: Redskins Sold Tickets Directly to Brokers

C-r-e-a-m-cash-rules-everything-around-me-t-shirt-vintage-t-shirt-review-cotton-factory-cotton-factory-3_medium

How many times have we heard the owners, coaches, and players say the Redskins have the best fans in sports? Well, it only makes sense to keep them out of home games, right?

Washington Post broke the story that brokers could buy large blocks of tickets in exchange for purchasing the over-priced premium tickets that no one wants. Gotta sell those premiums! I'm glad there is finally some resolution as to why Fedex Field has had such a dominant force of opposing fans the last two seasons.

I cautiously believe Snyder did not have a play in this, which I'll address below, but there are some glaring holes in that belief, and his decision not to talk the media hurts even more. You need to step up Mr. Snyder and address this issue, even if you truly had no hand in it. The Fedex Field experience is not a good one and now it's your office directly to blame: 

Facts:

Redskins General Counsel David Donovan said the prohibited sales were discovered in the spring during an internal audit of last season's ticket contracts and involved about 15 ticket brokering companies. He said the ticket sales employees involved were disciplined

The Washington Post was able to document the sales by one ticket broker, ASC Ticket of Gaithersburg, which bought at least 5,000 tickets for nearly $600,000 during the 2007 and 2008 seasons, team records show. The tickets included 1,690 for general admission seats in the 100 sections of FedEx Field's lower bowl, among the most coveted seats in the stadium.    

Donovan said Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder was unaware of sales to brokers. When he found out, Donovan said, "he was livid" and tried to have the accounts canceled immediately.   

The Redskins have the highest season ticket-renewal rate in the NFL.    

Redskins ticket agents worked on commission at the time. "The motive is money and laziness," Donovan said. "It is a lot easier to sell a package of 50 club seats along with 200 general admission tickets than it is to find 25 fans to buy two tickets each."

Redskins employees sold tickets on stubhub for over face value for the Pittsburgh game

I mean, sweet Jesus. Finally, we get some resolution on what happened last year. It wasn't so much the fans!  So here's my question. WHY ARE THERE 5,000 GENERAL ADMISSION TICKETS FOR SALE??? I know 1,000 people that would buy up those lower bowl tickets at $98 a pop. They were left open to use as leverage to sell premium tickets. I don't think to brokers, but definitely fans. Dear Lord...what a mess. How does selling 5,000 tickets to a single person not ring any bells with anyone? This is a joke.

First, I do have to give some credit to the Redskins for catching this in an internal audit. I can't imagine they wanted this to get out, but alas, it did.  I only highlighted parts of the article, some of which I left out are equally troubling.

Star-divide

There is an entire graph of what seats were sold to who, how many, and all the lawsuits pending. It is a bit upsetting that so many fans who couldn't uphold their contracts were sued by the Redskins and then had their tickets re-sold by the organization. Other organizations do sell their tickets to brokers, so I won't go all mad on this, but let's be real. The Redskins for decades have boasted a great fan-base with with a mile long waiting list. There's no way all these ticket brokers were on the list 20 even 10 years ag, so how did they get to the top of the list?? In the article, it mentions the brokers were forced into purchasing premium tickets to get all the lower and upper tickets. A HA! The damn premium tickets. Sugar and I both have first hand experience of them cramming these tickets down our throat. I only got on the "list" last year and I received a call asking to buy club tickets in what seemed milliseconds from when I clicked "Submit" on the online form. 

It's a tough call if Snyder was aware of this. How can one possibly sit in the owners' box for two consecutive years and look out at the stadium and not know what is going on? I guess that prompted the internal audit, but fans, including myself, were complaing about the fan ratio before PIT. The fact that one company/person is able to buy 5,000 tickets is RIDICULOUS!!! Is that not a red light?

[Image via vinteeage.com]

2 recs  |  Comment 78 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Cornering the market in douchebaggery...

I REALLY can’t stand the ticket office…

by bigredsnapper on Sep 2, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is an OUTRAGE
Donovan said most of the brokers’ contracts for bulk tickets were canceled. But some brokers — Donovan would not say how many — have been permitted to continue to buy hundreds of Redskins season tickets because they demanded that their contracts be honored and threatened legal action.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Sep 2, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not that I'm terribly surprised by this

but putting it all out there like that does piss me off. Remember, in the same town, we have the Capitals refusing to sell any playoff tickets to people without Virginia, DC, or Maryland IDs. The contrast is striking.

"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!

by kseandoyle on Sep 2, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you notice

the “contributor” to the article? La Canfora. Figures

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m surprised the Skins admitted this.

In what essentially explains the Steelers/FedEx debacle, the Redskins FO admitted to greedily selling tickets to brokers who were forced to buy club level seats. Nice…

by superjuan on Sep 2, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is embarrassing. how could snyder not know about even a little of this? he’s the freakin’ owner for crissakes. ive never been to a redskins game in my life because of this guy. overinflated prices and the tickets going to the wrong people.

by Shaffi3 on Sep 2, 2009 5:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how can he not know?

If you’re selling out the stadium just like always and the “waiting list” is still robustly trotted out to prove your teams economic worth why would you bother to notice? The cash keeps flowing just like always but then again you’re a multibillionaire. so what are you supposed to notice exactly? You think the PR and the Sales guys are gonna pony up and state, ummmm Dan, we’ve been raping our custormers because we’re skimming those profits and the PR guys didn’t want to talk to you about it because of your ongoing feud with the one major rag in town and it would make us look bad and be a reflection on your ownership because your employees have been stealing….

okay, not sure how this usually flies in most businesses, but when the employees have their hands in the till, unless there’s a reason for suspicion, NO ONE is gonna know about it until the proverbial poo hits the fan (pun intended)

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Sep 2, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This makes me sick to my stomach.

All those die hard skins fans waiting for tickets.. and the damn brokers are getting them first. The Redskins offices should be ashamed of themselves. I hope every last employee in the ticket office gets shi$ on for this.

by williamhudsonlink on Sep 2, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disgusting

While I think Snyder has learned a little bit about not micromanaging the players of a football team, it’s disgusting that he’d fleece the fans like this. I’m sure he was aware of the situation…but there used to be plausible deniablity and now he can sweep in like a hero, not that anyone would buy his story.

Absolutely sick that they’d lie and sue paying customers for hitting a rough spot (granted, they should have read the contract long ago I learned never to trust what a salesperson says), make money off the lawsuit and then resell the tickets…obviously they were hit bad by the loss.

I was on the list for 5 years before getting called about upper level seats. I did get called seconds after signing up about club level seats though. I’m glad I didn’t bite…yet.

If only you could fire the ownership.

by snowburnt on Sep 2, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Snyder doesn’t do something about this, I will rape him.

by travisjh86 on Sep 2, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2 questions

I emailed the author of the WaPost article 2 questions which I hope to hear back on.

1.) How much time went by b/w the internal audit and this article (ie – did the Skins hide it).

2.) Why are Redskins ticket sales agents ALLOWED to sell 1,000+ tix to a single person? That should be a guideline in place. Managers had to notice it. Something stinks.

by KevinE on Sep 2, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

b/c the team wants to maximize sales and PROFIT

that’s why.

2.) Why are Redskins ticket sales agents ALLOWED to sell 1,000+ tix to a single person? That should be a guideline in place. Managers had to notice it. Something stinks

by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps the livid-ness is a lie

as you say, this whole thing stinks. and I’m not really shocked that the team was selling 1000’s of regular tickets to brokers in order to maximize profits with the hard-to-sell club seats.

by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think by the time this series is over, heads will be rolling out of Ashburn. Donovan will hopefully be out of a job and $nyder may sink some profits into a proper ticketing system.

I guess the only way we can hold Snyder accountable is to boycot his product.

Anyone want to picket the head offices?

by snowburnt on Sep 3, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

try to find out if the 5000 tickets to one broker were sold on a 6 year contract. That would make more sense why it went undert the radar….that it like only 100 tickets per game.

by liger99 on Sep 2, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

James Grimaldi responded to my email

He’s on deadline so we’re going to talk tomorrow.

by KevinE on Sep 2, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great work

This really, really is a slap in the face to EVERY fan.

by brettpedigo on Sep 2, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't tell you how upset this makes me.

I love how Jason La Canfora came back to “contribute” to this article. So great! HE would NEVER miss a chance to pile on in a situation like this.

Here are some more facts for you:

When I was laid off in 2003, I called the Redskins for mercy on my season ticket package. It killed me to do it, but I was hurting. They told me they would kindly break up what I owed into 3 installments to be paid off in the next 3 months. That was all they offered to do for me.

When I had my first kid in 2007, I called them again and asked if they would consider helping me out by transferring me to a cheaper seat. They told me they were simply unable to do it as the demand for seats prevented them from being able to do such things.

This is the last year of my season ticket contract. I already called them and told them that I thought they ran a completely absurd operation and that I would not be renewing this contract at these prices (after 3 letters from their office to renew). Guess who I talked to? Jason Friedman, the guy listed in the Washington Post. He told me and I quote, “Maybe we simply aren’t offering you the right deal to stay.”

I will absolutely continue going to games. But my eyes are opened with regard to how I go about doing it.

by Ken Meringolo on Sep 2, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shirts

Maybe we should get t-shirts made…“Friedman : Redskins :: Grinch : Christmas”

by KevinE on Sep 2, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha thats pretty good

by pas493 on Sep 2, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So at the end of this nightmare

does this mean we’re gonna stop seeing our stadium being overrun by the enemy or what?

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 2, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

depends who the tickets go to....

they did cancel a lot of the accounts tho…so that is good.

by KevinE on Sep 2, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This reveals the deeper problem

Many Redskins season ticket holders who are upset with current management decided not to renew their tickets in protest. Now this would be an effective method of protest if it weren’t for the fact that the skins can just sell those tickets to brokers who then pass those tickets along to opposing fans. So, clearly not renewing your season tickets isn’t the best way to get at Snyder, as he’ll always find somebody to sell them to. Redskins fans are unjustly getting a bad rap lately when it’s the team management who is to blame. Redskins fans ARE the BEST FANS IN FOOTBALL, just look back at RFK in the 90s under different ownership and you would see a stadium full of burgandy and gold. Snyder and his cronies have put an end to that era, not the fans!! Let’s get it straight!!

by Kurtstack on Sep 2, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A better way to protest Snyder and Management

Would be to fill the stadium with burgandy and gold t-shirts that say “Sell the Team”. I think that would send the message we all can agree on. Particularly if it was coordinated for a Monday Night Football game.

by Kurtstack on Sep 2, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The code name for this event will be...

“The Sell Out,” which can be taken many different ways, all of which are true.

by Kurtstack on Sep 2, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like it

everyone who wears those shirts can parade in fron of Danny’s owner’s box

by Sugar on Sep 3, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can almost believe Danny on this one

simply based on how it is at my job. The company is small enough that we’re all in one huge office space, with the owner and CEO on the opposite side from us. There’s only like 40 of us in here, but we barely ever see the guy. All of the dealings within the office or handled by the COO and while she does update him on things, she is the one with the most contact with everyone. Now, imagine an organization as huge at the ‘Skins, and it’s really not hard to believe that this could have totally slipped past Snyder, especially if people were TRYING to keep this under the radar.

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 2, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that doesn't mean Snyder isn't ultimately responsible

or didn’t put the policies in place that lead to this.

by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't say he was responsible, didn't say he isn't

I wasn’t one of the one doing the dirt, so I really don’t have any idea as to whose is ultimately responsible. I’m saying that it’s really easy for stuff like this to slip when you have a million+ other things that need to be done on a daily basis. not unless you begin to micromanage, which is what I thought that’s what everybody wanted him to do anyways.

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 2, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its like a machine, how often do you think Snyder pops by the ticket office. Is he ultimately responsible? Yes, he’s the owner, but I would be surprised to see if he was involved at all. He doesn’t need these brokers, it was an easy sell for everyone in the ticket office and all Snyder sees is $$$ and 92,000 at every game.

Protesting Snyder wouldn’t do anything, the only thing that can really be done is overhauling the whole ticket management operation.

by pas493 on Sep 2, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Protesting Snyder would do something...

It would embarass him on national television, which would make me as a fan feel better. I can’t overhaul the ticket office and either can you but you can certainly voice your opinion on a national stage.

by Kurtstack on Sep 2, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, he does
He doesn’t need these brokers

he needs the brokers b/c they sell the club seats, which have by far the biggest profit margin for the team. that’s what’s at the middle of this entire storm.

by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know that?

How do you know that the ticket office isn’t perfectly capable of doing that on their own? And how the hell is no matter what subject is brought up you know everything?

I worked in NCAA ticketing for 3 years. It seems like to me this was the employees and ticket managers taking an easy way out and reaping the awards, rather than actually doing their jobs.

by pas493 on Sep 2, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

chill with the anger

I’m offering my opinion, you offer yours. It’s what happens in internet forums.

by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don’t offer things as opinions, you dispute other people’s opinions and insert you own as facts.

If the ticketing department did there job correctly there would indeed be no need for brokers.

by pas493 on Sep 2, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol
You don’t offer things as opinions, you dispute other people’s opinions and insert you own as facts.

by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wanted him to stop doing anyways*

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 2, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Embarass him on national television

And maybe just maybe he’ll make the changes necessary to make FedEx a more fan friendly environment.

by Kurtstack on Sep 2, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fyi

I buy a lot of tickets at ASC Tickets in Gaithersburg. I’m not sure how I feel about doing business with them after this news. They have a store front called Main Street Tickets in the Kentlands near my house. I normally paid less than face value for the tickets with no commission by walking in the day of or day before the game….plus they have the tickets in hand. I bought tickets for the NO game there last year, so they are not all going to opposing fans! Damn…I’m really torn on this. I bought caps playoff tickets there for the opening game verse the rangers…$100 for $125 seats…8th row behind the bench they went up to 225 for the next game (I think it was due to the game being on a weds and the dates were announced late). I also got opening day Nats tickets for under face value, sat first row between the dugout and the screen….the best seat I ever had to any event…they were ‘Lerner’ seats, so I’m sure ASC is well connected. I’m betting ASC still has the Skins tickets they bought and I need tickets for a few games. I’m leaning towards still buying from them…let me know if I’m an idiot for doing that.

by liger99 on Sep 2, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to know as well

So far I’ve learned that StubHub is a freakin joke. And besides buying from people here, anyone else know of a place to get tickets that are “tainted?”

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 2, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think StubHub has a partnership with the NFL but I could be wrong.

by pas493 on Sep 2, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TRAITOR!!!

JK, until the Skins figure out a way to sell single game tickets at face value themselves, brokers like this are a necessary evil. I think the more damning piece of the “scandal” is the fact that people in the ticket office sold seats directly to StubHub at higher than face value, basically just pocketing the profit while making them all the more accessible to out-of-town fans.

by Boo. on Sep 2, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where to buy tickets

You can buy tickets on extremeskins.com for face value if you go to the classifieds, and craigslist is another option and Ebay, but you probably won’t get face value prices on those sites.

by Kurtstack on Sep 2, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Black Outs

With 91,000 seats, there is a lot of pressure to sell out the stadium for every game. Reading the Post article, it seems like the packages sold to the brokers were not only designed to dump some of the ridiculously expensive premium seats but also to sell chunks of the “less popular” home games.

I’m a student and I can usually only spring for one game a season. I love watching the skins in person, but I’m not sure I would even want to go more than once because getting there, parking, and getting back is expensive, time-consuming, and altogether unpleasant. I’m sure there are a lot of people in the exact same boat. Therefore, my friends and I have an awesome time watching the game and getting as drunk as we want in the comfort of our own homes. The last thing I want to see is for Home Games to get blacked out.

I know other teams have ways to sell single game tickets and do so very successfully to avoid blackouts. I would love to be able to buy single game tickets at face value from the team itself. I’m afraid, however, with the game-day experience the way it currently is, the skins would fail to fill 91,000 seats in the less enticing match-ups and we would all be SOL.

by Boo. on Sep 2, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

very well said

and all the more evidence how this entire controversy is emblematic of how Danny runs our team.

by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I know, and thank goodness for that

But the same packages to the ticket brokers that include the premium tickets also include chunks of
“normal” tickets. The fact that you can buy tickets from StubHub or these ticket brokers days before some of these games (below face value, like you described) shows that if the team wasn’t selling tickets to brokers in bunches they would probably flirt with black outs at least a few times per season.

by Boo. on Sep 2, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I think Snyder has to know this.

He is a good businessman, I have trouble believing he was drinking his own Koolaid about the wait list.

A caller on the radio said, “I’ll support this team whether its owned by Dan Snyder or Idi Amin.” I kind of feel the same way, I just hope “TicketGate” forces Danny’s hand to rethink how tickets are sold.

by Boo. on Sep 2, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 2, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ‘normal’ general admission tickets are good seats in the front rows of the section and fairly priced. I would love to buy a season ticket for some of those seats, as would everyone at my tailgate. RFK season ticket holders were moved farther back when transitioning to the new stadium to open up more/better ga seats. When they call you for season tickets, you are offered premium, club, or last row in the upper deck seats (with the promise of moving lower each year). I’m sure the demand for the ga tickets is there, the brokers definitely want them. I doubt we will ever be faced with a blackout. I could see it being possible if the ga seats were last row of the endzone in the upper deck, but the FO has made sure to maximize profit.

by liger99 on Sep 2, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like the tshirt idea

but we could go farther than that too. stuff online wont embarrass danny, but doing something inside the stadium would. another thing would be calling a press conference, cause that’s our legal right to do. maybe the guy who wrote this article could call one, and we could voice our disgust with this.

by Shaffi3 on Sep 2, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good idea

The national media already dogs Snyder and thinks he is a joke, so what would this do?

Ticket $80
Parking $40
Gas $30
Beer $25
T-Shirt $25

YEA THAT’LL SHOW HIM!

by pas493 on Sep 2, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same situation

as Boo. I’d hate to see blackouts but maybe the threat of it would ultimately lead to improving the experience at fedex. I would love to be at the games more often (I make it to at best 2 a year) as would my horde of friends who also love the Skins but I honestly get where I have more fun grabbing a 30 pack and watching the game at someone’s house. I did go to the preseason game in B-more and as much as I dislike the ratbirds it almost broke my heart seeing how good the fan experience is just up the road.

Even if the experience still sucked I’d still make it out more if some of those single tickets were available. Who am I kidding I’d run up my credit card and go every damn home game. Stupid Snyder.

by SkinsOsTerps on Sep 2, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Internet.
There’s no way all these ticket brokers were on the list 20 even 10 years ag, so how did they get to the top of the list??

by SSBlitz on Sep 2, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

what enrages me more, the facts of the article, or the fact that La Canfora helped with it. I’m sure he worked for free. I was so happy he was out of town finally, then last week I saw his piece on NFLN talking about the NFC East where, naturally, he picked us to finish last, below .500. That guy needs a blanket party. I’ve never seen a single writer have such a personal vendetta against a team like that.
As for the facts, they don’t surprise me. I will always be a Redskins, but their practices make me sick sometimes. Snyder doesn’t give a damn about the fans, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to know he had something to do with this. Money is, and always will be, the bottom line for him. If it were an expansion team, or even just a newer team he’d bought, the fans would’ve run out on him long ago.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

La Canfora is probably Florio’s undisclosed source 90% of the time

by pas493 on Sep 2, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cerrato

I remember Cerrato going on his radio show and even the Redskins Nation show criticizing fans for allowing their tickets to get into the hands of the Steeler fans. He actually blamed the situation on the fans. Now, I know that there were a lot of fans that did this, but I think its same to assume that Cerrato was wrong here.

by monk81 on Sep 2, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cerrato is the VP of Football Operations, what the hell does that have to do with the ticket office?

by pas493 on Sep 2, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

with those eyeballs

he should be able to oversee EVERYTHING

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about this

I wonder if someone will do this for lil Danny when he we build(s) HIS new stadium.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/history/cooke/articles/mood8.htm

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

god i hope we get RFK 2.0

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Sep 2, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

O its gonna happen!

Its going to be great and there won’t be a scoreboard in play

by pas493 on Sep 2, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RFK 2.0

Somehow I think the evil hobbit would figure out a way to ruin RFK. Let’s not tarnish RFK the great memories there.

by Kurtstack on Sep 2, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for shameless self promotion...

But I’ve made these shirts, and have worn them to games. In fact I got a pretty good reaction at the Steelers game from a smattering of fans.
Sell the Team T-Shirts

by DCLance on Sep 2, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shameless

That term should be directed toward the owner who sells thousands of tickets to brokers instead of the diehard skins fans who have been waiting patiently on the waiting list for their chance to buy tickets!! What’s worse is how Snyder sues the pants off of any season ticket holder who for personal financial reasons cannot fulfill their obligation. Then he turns around, after bankrupting a true redskin fan who has hit hard financial times, and sells those same tickets a second time, basically selling a ticket twice and profiting twice!!!

He could simply charge the financially burdened fan an early out fee and sell the tickets again, but the angry greedy hobbit instead goes for the entire value of the season ticket package and then sells the entire package again to another sucker or to a scalper! The capitals by contrast do not penalize a fan for hitting hard financial times, they simply take the tickets back without a fee and sell them to another loyal capitals fan. Night and day how the two teams treat their fans. I’m becoming more of a hockey fan everyday based on the fan friendly atmosphere the caps provide.

by Kurtstack on Sep 3, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am pretty sure the sales of tickets to brokers was not the Danny’s doing.

That said, with regard to the lawsuits:

The whole reason for buying tickets on a 10 year contract is simply to lock in, for both parties, a price that is mutually agreeable for 6, 8, or 10 years. For the customer, this gives them an advantage in that the prices are locked. They can’t be renegotiated. For the Redskins, they also have an advantage in that they 1, don’t need to count on selling those tickets from year to year, and 2, they can count on that amount of revenue each year for 6, 8, or 10 years.

It simply comes down to 2 points, I think. 1, the demand for club seats is not nearly as high as the seats for the general admission crowd; 2, Why sign a multi-year contract if it’s not necessary to observe? They are controlling the costs of these seats for each year. There were probably MANY folks who suddenly wanted to get rid of their club seats this year — I know a number of 10 year contracts finished this year, too. In this economy, it is probably terribly difficult to sell the club seats right now. I don’t know that the waiting list actually applies to the club seats, which are essentially the only ones in question here. I don’t believe anybody is being sued for the general admission seats — why? Those are year to year contracts.

So… I think it’s pretty clear that they are counting on the revenue for these harder to sell seats. Perhaps we should start blaming JKC for having put in such a significant club area. (I am being facetious here). But… I think we need to identify what is being argued here, and I think it’s a safe assumption that they tried to work through other means to get to this stage.

Bad taste? Maybe. Bad business decision? Arguably. Do they stand a chance against the court of public opinion in this mostly one-sided argument? Not in the least…

by bigredsnapper on Sep 4, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Club seat contracts

The best thing about the contracts is that they guarantee practically nothing on the part of the Redskins. It says basically that for x number of years you will pay whatever we change the prices to and we’ll give you a couple of seats.

So: they’ll give you seats that they have trouble selling, but they can change the price at will and they’ll lock you in for countless years.

Seriously, I’d go to town on that contract writing in out clauses for me and get it notorized and filed with the county before turning it in. Not that I’d ever buy club level seats.

by snowburnt on Sep 3, 2009 7:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The contract

Even has a clause in it that Danny Snyder can have your soul if you are unable to meet the terms of the contract.

by Kurtstack on Sep 3, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I’m married!

/Simpsons did it

My clauses:
Pricing: Base pricing is $x per ticket.
should the quality of the product be sub-par, pricing for the tickets shall be adjusted by no less than 2% downward from the pricing of the previous year for every game under 50% of the final record. Should the team break even or have a positive record but fail to make the playoffs ticket pricing shall remain constant from previous year. Should the team make playoffs the team may adjust the pricing my no more than 1% upward for each round of the round of the playoffs they participate on the field in.
Should the team have consecutive sub-par seasons ticket prices shall be lowered by an additional 1%.
Should the team participate in the Championship game in consecutive seasons, ticket prices may be raised an additional 1%.

Upgrades: should the contract hold desire an upgrade, it shall be made available to them prior to the season ticket holder list.
Should the redskins fail to up-hold this clause a penalty of no more than $1000 shall be assessed to the organization.

Out-clause:
The ticket holder may be released of their contractual obligations without penalty should any of the following criteria be met:
- The product is sub-par for 3 or more consecutive seasons
- The product fails to make the playoffs for 10 or more consecutive seasons
- The ticket holder’s income is lowered by 75% or more
- The Redskins fail to meet any of their contractual obligations

The ticket holder may buy out their contract if none of the above criteria are met for 10% of the cost of the adjust price for the upcoming season.

Should the Redskins be unable to meet their contractual obligations they shall pay a penalty of no less than 50% of the upcoming season ticket prices.

by snowburnt on Sep 3, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they should also formalize “the quiz” if you want to sell your tickets. With a penalty if someone is spotted in your seats with an opposing teams jersey on.

by snowburnt on Sep 3, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Media Requests please email hogshaven@gmail.com
Start posting about the Redskins »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

RedZone Moments from SB Nation

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Sidney-harbour-australia_small
Positivity week!!!
Perfect-strangers_small
Cerrato Owes Campbell an Apology...And I Have Written It

Recent FanPosts

Sidney-harbour-australia_small
The Great JC Debate.....continues
Superbowl_small
Hogs Haven chats with Funny Danny (Rouhier) About Dallas
Small
With Redskins' Starters Out, Team Plays Better
Super_skins_small
Friday, November 27, rememeber him. Honor him.
Sidney-harbour-australia_small
Interesting news from SI, means Danny's Cash could be useful
00508_2123_small
Injuries keep adding up
Sidney-harbour-australia_small
new stat required
Super_skins_small
12-7... wait, Shaun Suisham is a POS.
Small
Friday Fandomonium
Sidney-harbour-australia_small
Skins History

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Latest NFL Headlines from SB Nation

SPONSORS


Managers

Superbowl_small KevinE

Riggins_small Ken Meringolo

H2_logo_b_small Sugar

Authors

Hogshaven_small Skin Patrol