Recap: Redskins vs Giants: Game Plan in Action is a Head-Scratcher
by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 14, 2009 7:35 AM EDT
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PrintDespite the stupid penalty by Laron Landray, the Redskins played rather disciplined giving up only 32 penalty yards but look at the time of possession difference. I mean, wow. Who thought our defense was going to be a problem? Being in the stands, I didn't have the benefit of replays and what not, but two things stood out.
1.) 1st play of scrimmage Portis has a huge gain. Why does Zorn call a gadget play next? Keep running the damn ball. Gadget plays work when you setup a consistent way of beating a team and then you change gears suddenly. Second play of scrimmage? Really? And why didn't Randle-El throw the ball away?
2.) That whole play where Landry got the personal foul. How is Brandon Jacobs turning a corner on this defense?
3.) That hit early in the game London Fletcher had on Jacobs. I wish you could have seen how fast Giants stadium got quiet.
| TEAM STAT COMPARISON | ||
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| 1st Downs | 15 | 18 |
| Total Plays | 50 | 61 |
| Total Yards | 272 | 351 |
| Passing | 187 | 248 |
| Rushing | 85 | 103 |
| Red Zone (Made-Att) | 2-3 | 0-3 |
| Penalties | 4-32 | 4-30 |
| 3rd Down Conversions | 5-12 | 6-13 |
| 4th Down Conversions | 1-1 | 0-1 |
| Turnovers | 2 | 2 |
| Defensive / Special Teams TDs | 0 | 1 |
| Possession | 23:52 | 36:08 |
What do you think? Zorn's chair just get a little hotter?
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yeah
the playcalling was awful. Running behind Samuels all day in game 1 will handicap us the rest of the year. And so much for the young wideouts – if this keeps up, they’ll be lucky to have 30 catches between them this year. In the red zone – no Mitchell, no Davis, no Kelly, no Thomas? Seriously, what was the point of preseason if we’r egonna do the exact same things we did last year?
i agree 1000%
if jason campbell was 19-26 last night it shows that jason was effective. But definitely the play0calling was suspect. we have all-new recievers but didnt use them. if i were CP i would be pissed today because he got bashed around so much against that defense. the giants KNEW what we were going to do. its always the same. run-run-pass. but its clear mixing it up would have helped.
jason was 8-10 for 136yds last night on first downs. that says something about his throwing ability and the effectiveness of the passing game if utilized. excluding the huge 32 yrd run on first down CP averaged 2 yds per carry on first. doesnt that say something? 90 percent of his runs were to the left. sounds predictable? i think so.
What about his INT?
Wasn’t he past the line of scrimmage when he threw that? Very dumb. You never here of good QBs doing that.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 14, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
it happens
to everyone… occasionally- its not like he does that more than once a year! first time I’ve seen him do that… first real game… its a mistake. Doesn’t make him a bad QB.
JJ Fe
Exactly.
I saw Cutler make a worse play on that fumble ‘incomplete’ pass. And even Eli had a delay of game against him yesterday.
Cutler
boy I’m glad we didn’t get THAT guy. I don’t have enough hair to be pulling out every week. He’s got phenomenal ability, but he’s just not smart. Add to that the fact that he’s a douche, and I’m glad as hell we didn’t give up a whole draft for that dummy.
yeah,
Favre does it a lot. I’ve also seen McNabb and Romo do it a few times. I don’t think it’s called all the time.
There's a lot of leeway in that rule
As I know the rule, a QB has to be completely over the line for it to be a penalty. He can have almost his whole body across and it’s still legal so long as he has a foot on the LOS.
having a rough day
Took the bust back hammered from nyc at 9pm…then was at work at 8 AM…running on fumes.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 14, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What about the
Holy Hand Grenade pass into the end zone. I know he was being hit, but he didn’t have a clue as to where any one was and could have been a pick six. Also, it should have been called intentional grounding as he was in the grasp, within the tackles
my guess is that heyer is not a good run blocker, but I did see him crush a db or two in preseason. We also lack a blocking TE … but I think the real issue is that teams stack the line against the run and check moss on the line….we need to get the ball down field to loosen up the LOS. Play action would help…not sure why we are not using it.
Yoder
It is a 99% chance of a run if Yoder is in the game. I like him, but the play-calling would be a bit too obvious with him in the game. I’d be all for throwing it to him a few times…back in the day didn’t Gibbs gameplan to throw to Don Warren all day…he caught like 12 passes or something like that?
One note...
How is Brandon Jacobs turning a corner on this defense?
That’s nothing new, he does that on everyone. How far he goes….now that’s on you.
What the f$%k is the internet?
what I noticed
Santanna Moss was made totally ineffective (2 catches for 6 yards) by Corey Webster in single coverage. I used to think the team needed someone to step up and become a #2 WR but that last game makes me think we need a #1 WR. In fact Campbells INT wwas at least partially due to a sloppy route by Moss.
The secondary was atrocious and it makes me wonder why they let Shawn Springs go.
4 man pass rush yielded no pressure.
Other than a couple plays, we had no running game. I saw way too many 2 yard runs by CP which is prettty sad considering we know his talent level isn’t the problem. That’s the price of never using high draft picks on the OL.
The OL was fairly good at pass blocking unless there was a blitz.
Campbell was ok considering the lack of WR support. He was not great but not also was not bad. I wouldn’t consider this a break out game by any stretch of the imagination but in fairness that’s hard to do when you’re #1 WR is shut down.
I was pleased with the way the defense stopped the run in 3 and short situations.
That’s the facts as I see them.
Yup. Santana isn't a Great #1 WR
he’s a decent one at best, made to look worse b/c we can’t seem to find any other WR talent.
(Except ARE in the slot, where he had a great game. But one slot WR doesn’t make a good WR corps)
The dude had a bad game.
Don’t jump on him. He has carried this team at that position for a long time. jump on the GM for building a crappy unbalanced team… oh wait, we don’t even have one of those, either. WE wonder why we have turned into the cardinals of the east…..
Santana should
make the ring of honor just for what he has done to the Cowboys during his career. Having said that, it’s pretty obvious:
- He’s small and has trouble getting off the LOS with physical cornerbacks
-He lets defenders get into his head (witness the early brawl yesterday)
I’d like to see them put him in motion to get off the line and be a real threat and to get our new, bigger receivers more involved. Esp in red zone.
You just proved my point
I’m not saying I don’t like the guy – I do but he’s not a #1 WR because of what you mentioned. As bretpedigo said, he’s carried that position for years and the management has done a poor job of building the WR (and OL) positions. We need a WR who can get off the LoS with physical CBs and let Moss (and ARE I suppose although I like Moss better) work off of the LoS.
I was watching the Dallas-Redksins game the day he torched them for 2 long TDs with my friend and coworker who is a die hard Cowboys fan so I remember that game well.
once in awhile
they should tell santana to run streaks and let campbell rifle one down the field. even if they dont connect, it could help santana get some breathing room on the LOS and it would keep the safeties back a little bit to let CP have an extra second or two b4 they are in the box
they need to get moss in motion being they are putting a physical corner on him. This is my problem with zorn…they did this last year and he has not figured out how to scheme for it. They also stack the line to shutdown CP and still no game plan to beat it. Try play-action or something? A rollout pass? Anything besides the same plays as last year would be nice.
Kevin E ---I agree--questions.
I agree totally.
Skins had something on the first drive, and instead of throwing the ball away, randel-el, aka as our 3rd qb per Vinnie, elected to take a loss of 11 yrds. unacceptable, though 82 did play well, and shut me up for a week. I would like him better if he kept his feet and stopped falling.
does it seem like we always run left or into the boundary with Portis? or default to the Santana Screen?
How about some counter or zone instead of ripping 4 yrs runs into the short side of the field?
Also, bring Sellers and Davis in to block alla Didier and Warren and f-ing make the D work for the rush! THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO THROW DOWN FIELD!
you have a 6-4 receiver—-USE HIM!
I cant fault the d too much for as much as they were on the field, but, the Skins have to come up with a way to stop people on 3rd and + 5—-they did a great job on 3rd and shorts, but, again, couldnt get any push off the edge.
Landry is going to cost us a game this year—-he is borderline on being an overpaid idiot right now—i dont see those “mistakes” out of London Fletcher.
If they lose this week I am going to kick Zorn in the ninnies and pull out a handful of his beaver hair.
and another thing....
FING LINE CP UP WITH A LEAD BLOCKER AND TURN HIM LOOSE.
if we are going to run behind our best fattys, great. Put another one in front of him and challenge the d to stop him. We have a 265 pound h back in sellers and we never use him the way he is built to be used…Power I that bisnatch!
that is my last nugget.
Offensive Woes
I have never seen a team so damned afraid of “beyond the line of scrimmage” as this one. I knew we were in trouble during the pre-season when we had a 3rd and three and someone called a 1 yard pass play. It’s like they are intimidated by the line of scrimmage and if they somehow get past that, it’s the first down marker that scares them and the end zone is some ghastly forbidden territory where bad things must happen to those who go there. Pathetic. Even KC put up 28 points on the Ravens!! And the Lions scored 10 more points than we did against the Saints.
Receivers
On the play prior to the fake FG, Malcom Kelly just kinda ran lightly out of bounds in the end zone providing nothing for JC. Even Cooley on same play just played handsies with his defender. I didn’t get a look at Moss during the replay, but he couldn’t get past his one defender all day. I just don’t get it. Didn’t they bring in Steve Largent to help out the receivers this pre-season? Didn’t show.
Well Jacobs got jacked up.
Not by LaRon though. That hit by Fletcher was devastating. You don’t see Jacobs get knocked back too often. Good game though. You guys made it closer than it really should have been by stopping the run in the red zone.
Couple of things I noticed…LaRon really played undisciplined. It looked like he really hadn’t gotten over being trucked by Jacobs. Haynesworth really looked like he got tired out.
yeah
Landry is still holding a grudge there. He showed fire when he threw Jacobs down, too bad he didn’t do it on a play.
As for Haynesworth, yeah, he got tired. But he did make a difference out there. It was evident when they stopped running Jacobs up the middle. And I think taking on the whole team on that 4th and inches really took it out of him.
A few less
three and outs by the O and Haynesworth et al would not had such a rough go of it. In general, I was impressed that the D kept bringing it as much as time of possession was way skewed to the Giants, especially the first half.
What happened to our depth?
Kelly, Mitchell, Davis, and Thomas were all expected (on varying levels) to be ready to contribute to the passing game. Betts was supposed to be our “third-down” back and Mason was kept so that we would have more runners this year. Instead, we did exactly what wore our offense down by midseason last year. We made Portis, Cooley, Moss, and Randle El the targets on almost every play. It should be a tribute to our offensive players that, with a terrible game plan and poor defensive showing, they were able to recoup from two costly mistakes and actually put up 17 points in just over one half of play.
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
One Final Thought
This team needs to toughen up. The D did a fairly good job, especially in the second half, but I didn’t see much intensity, especially on Offense. Sure Santana mixed it up with their cornerback once, but to be a real scoring O you need to put some pain and fear into your opponents. (Where was Sellers?) The Giants D almost to a man were out there shaking their heads and laughing at us. You could see them smiling through their facemasks and when they took their helmets off on their way off the field after ANOTHER three and out. Even when our receivers made catches (short dinks) they pretty much dove to the turf or ran out of bounds. And Moss was real soft on the JC interception getting outplayed and just pushed out of the play. OK, I’m done. Hate to be a whiner, but….
yeah,
the mental toughness can be questioned… but I like the momentum coming out of this game…. NYG is a GREAT D… I think we WILL have a GREAT year!!
It’s not like we just lost to STL, OAK, CLE, DET… we lost to a GOOD team with probably top 3 D in league!
JJ Fe
As easy
as the next few games should be, the last half of the schedule is brutal with most of our in division games. I think we could have stolen this game with just a better game plan and better play calling in the Red Zone – remember Jason’s run around left end in the pre-season? Anything but what we did. (The fake kick; however, really helped pick up the entire team, though. So that was hot.) So now, we are the only 0-1 team in the division. Not the end of the world, but…
I saw some good things
1. Our offensive line did an excellent job against the Giants, who boast the best defensive line in all of the NFL. Heyer looked excellent and so did Samuels. Campbell just needs to step up in the pocket to protect himself.
2. Randle El looks great in his natural position, the slot.
3. Kelly and Thomas need to do something to help this team. If not, give Marko Mitchell his well deserved opportunity.
4. I love the fake FG call. Ballsy, and it worked!!
5. Campbell had already picked up 2-3 yards when he threw the INT. If he just kept running he could have had a nice positive play and stepped out of bounds. He needs to make better decisions on the run.
6. DeAngelo Hall does not attempt to tackle RBs and our OLBs are probably the weak point on Defense. We will continue to see passes to the backs out of the backfield, and pitches to the outside until we can show that our OLBs and CBs can come up and make a tackle.
7. Chris Horton Continues to shine and he plays with an energy and intensity that is far and above anybody else on our defense. Our entire defense needs to take notes from Chris Horton and start playing with an attitude.
Good writeup.
I agree with all of that. Campbell was stepping up noticeably further in the pocket after that fumble.
mostly right but not quite
I agree with most of what you aid except:
1. The OL did a good job of pass blocking but were terrible in run blocking with 2 plays being the exception.
6. The CB’s and Landry didn’t play well either (not just Hall).
I wonder
1. The OL did a good job of pass blocking but were terrible in run blocking with 2 plays being the exception.
how much more effective they would have been if the playcalling was more mixed. I hope we have enough faith in Heyer to run to the right more this year.
Good point
Good point, hopefully we’ll find out.
no love for fletcher?
Fletcher was a beast out there. I think he deserves some props for hi splay yesterday. He punked Jacobs with his hit early in the game. And he had 18 tackles yesterday. I think he did well and i expect that he’ll raise the level of play from Orakpo and Mcintosh
Turn up the heat on Zorn????
What kind of stupid talk is that?
When does it become about the owner? How many more bad moves does a man have to make before Redskin fans see that Synder owns the team for the money….NOT THE GAME.
So long as he sells out the stadium and sells Redskin swag……he’s a happy man. Winning football is not something he knows ANYTHING about.
you're right
unfortunately we’re stuck with Napolean. I’m not ready to give up on Zorn (yet), but we may need a coach who’s more forceful, and can impose his will DESPITE our retarded owner.
Wise article in Post
Yes. I had the same feelings described in the article – fake punt during pre-season??, Inspector Gadget stuff that is not set up. One thing not mentioned, but I’m getting sick to death of the West Coast offense at least as it’s unfolded to date. Quit dinkin’ around and go out there and hit somebody literally and figuratively and have a game plan that supports this. I can’t tell how many times I called CP to the left for two yds prior to the play and was right! If the coach can’t out think me – someone whose never played the game at any level; we’re in trouble.
I really don’t think the O-line gave Campbell time to throw downfield much yesterday. As people have said, the Giants D is one of the toughest in the league, so this may not be an indicator of performance all year. We’ll see whether he has more time against the Rams. If we still don’t see him throwing more than a few yards, then I’ll agree with you.
Zackin and Kurtsack
Yeah, I did see some of the positives you mentioned – especially Chris Horton’s play. But run blocking – OL could not get a push across LOScrimmage all day except for the 2 plays you mentioned. Also, for the most part, the D would hold for two plays then give up 11yd gains that kept the time of possession way in their favor. I blame the secondary for that situation which played out time and again.
Secondary
Good point. Is it just me, or does it seem like our DBs give the WRs way more cushion than other teams around the league. Is that part of the bend but don’t break philosophy?
I agree
That’s what it looked like to me.
DBs
we seem to play way to much zone. maybe i’m oldschool, but a little man on man never hurts. if you have the men. do we?
by grandpa grouse on Sep 14, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
if you have the men. do we?
Yes we have the men to play man coverage, in fact, that’s Rogers’ and Hall’s specialty. However, if Blache doesn’t call it, they can’t do it.
then let's use them
why not play to your strengths. that’s aggressive football. that’s what’s laking.
by grandpa grouse on Sep 14, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
again
playcalling is our downfall, on BOTH sides of the ball. We have plenty of talent, now we need to put it to good use.
I'm not understanding
How our playcalling on both sides of the ball have gotten worse since last year. Do Blache and Zorn WANT to be fired on purpose?
Yes
We were supposed to be significantly better on D and we are for the most part. But it was like watching Zorn’s first game of the season LAST year. What happened to JC being in the same offense and being able to run more of the play book? Very disheartening.
Zorn?
I think Zorn was dead ended in Seattle. He had not shown anything beyond
being a quarterback coach. It does not seem as though he has grown as a coach.
by Jefferson1935 on Sep 15, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
it appears to me
that our coaches need to stop the cya and start being aggressive. i mean we look like we’re tryin not to loose, rather than tryin to win.
by grandpa grouse on Sep 14, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying not to lose rather than trying to win
That has been the problem with this team for as long as I can remember. I’m always hoping to see that offense opened up and I’m continually disappointed.
Its tough to run block
when everyone in the stadium knows exactly when and where you are going to run. Zorn seemed like he was more than happy to pick up a maximum of two yards on first down all day. I’m really disappointed in the game Zorn called, I don’t even know if we ran a single play-action pass after setting up the first down run.
In the end
We lost a game that most expected us to lose. The Giants have one of the best teams in the NFL. We just haven’t reached their level yet. We have a nice stretch of games coming up that we “should” win. If we can take care of the teams we “should” beat, then I’ll be much happier.
I agree
but it still hurts. I didn’t expect a win but I also expected a semblance of a running game, a pass rush on occaison and a better pass defense.
I blame the play calling, not JC
The Skins finally had a decent passing game (about 70% completion rate) but they decided to run the ball on every first down that I can remember, until they were in the hurry up. The short-mid range passes were getting decent gains and first downs…which is the point to an offense. Instead, Portis would run the ball on every first down, winding up with second and 9 or 8 almost every time. Outside of the first run, the running game wasn’t good. Why can’t the Skins throw the ball on first down and have second and short to set up a run or play action??
PS. I’m glad we finally found out that ARE belongs in the slot
Campbell did well
I thought my comment was pretty fair in that Campbell did well considering the play from the receivers. if they can’t create separation then there’s only so much he can do.
yeah, but
have you watched other teams play? Teams with big receivers? They catch balls while covered. Sure, we can’t expect Moss and ARE to fight for the ball in the air, but I thought that’s what we got the big guys for. Apparently we got them for their tremendous blocking skills.
Hmm
Maybe I misinterpreted what you wrote. If you’re saying the play selection was poor I’d agree. The pattern of running every first down for 2 yards got old and what success was found was through the air so why not try it on first down? I agree. Personally I think very few teams can succeed when they are so predictable.
that's exactly
what I’m saying. There was no creativity in the play-calling. Except for the trick play. But who knows ho called that. I just wanna know what happened to these 4 receiver, spread formations, and two tight end sets we were supposed to have? Are we saving the new plays for St. Louis?
I agree
we have two tall receivers (Mitchell and Kelly) but decide not to use or throw to them on a fade/anything while we’re inside the 10yd line or whatever. I don’t care that Mitchell hasn’t ‘earned his way on to the field yet’, the Skins got him for those exact situations (even used Mitchell in this situation during the preseason). The Skins should be using the right personnel and having only small receivers on goal line packages doesn’t make sense. This is why D. McCants was successful and a TD machine for us a few years back. Oh well, just one game but still felt like the Skins could have won.
The pass attack
looked really good in a few instances. I feel like Zorn just isn’t trusting the offense to go out and make a play. Campbell was accurate and when we were putting the ball in the air we were moving down the field. Then there is a conservative run call and it feels like we did way more to break our own rhythm than anything NY did.
I’m still with Campbell here, mistakes aside. Especially after watching Cutler turn the ball over 4 times last night and look lost against Green Bay’s defense (imagine him playing 6 games in the NFC East) I don’t see how anyone can think that trade would’ve been sensible. At best it would’ve put us in the exact same position we are now minus 2 draft picks. If anything my concern is starting to be more about Zorn and I think we all know where the blame will lay if he fails and that will be with Snyder. He may have put Zorn in a position he wasn’t ready for.
Also glad to see Horton out there making plays. Nevertheless I’m still optimistic. The real tests are going to be in the weeks to come. We have 5 very winnable games in a row coming up and we need to be well over .500 coming out of them.
Who called the plays at the end of the half and the end of the game?
The 2 drives which showed some promise were during a mostly “hurry-up” offense. Who was calling the plays at that point and why not maintain that level of tempo equal to that performance.
it seems
we only call those types of plays out of desperation. Imagine if we played that loose the WHOLE GAME?
I know Campbell has some leeway to call plays himself… maybe he gets more of the calls during hurry-up situations. Maybe he should be calling the game himself, a la Peyton Manning. It’ll never happen, but I’d like to see the results if it did.
I dunno if he
could handle all that, but I DO know that his first audible last year was the TD to Thrash.
Those were good drives but
the Giants were playing slack D at that point, at least during our last drive of the game. But I do think the Skins should maybe try out the ‘hurry up’ O to start a game or at some point other than the last drives of a half to change it up.
Shotgun!
Finally started using at the end of the half and game. I was happy to see them use it…JC sees the field much better out of the gun. But that is about the only thing I liked about the play-calling.
Almost every QB in the league plays better out of the shotgun
The league QB rating goes up like 30 points in the shotgun.
It was very frustrating that Gibbs 2.0 largely remained resistant to the shotgun, and I’m worried Zorn is being equally hardheaded.
The shotgun is an extemely important weapon to pass successfully in the NFL right now.
Positives
How about London Fletcher!! I was worried that he may have lost a step, but he tackled everyone he hit. Something that the rest of the defense could try doing. He had 11 solo and 7 more assisted tackles. MONSTER game.
by h money on Sep 14, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
real impressive
he did get run over on one play though
by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 14, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree
about Fletcher. The guy is a machine.
Couple thoughts...
1 – Skins, led my Campbell, don’t have personel who are capable of stepping up and just making a play when it matters. Campbell’s stats looked fine, but they hide the fact that when the pressure is on, he flails. Making a good drive in the last 2 mins of a half against a prevent defense just means that you are able to complete 10 yard passes to largely uncovered receivers. That isn’t an indication of much else.
2 – Again, in clutch situations, the play calling is just bad. Half the known universe knew that an all out blitz was coming on 3rd and goal, but the Skins call a slow developing pass play with no extra blockers. There was no mystery, everyone on earth outside of the Redskins sidelines knew what was coming. The Skins just look stupid, as in not smart, or dumb. I have no football training, I never even played in high school, but its pretty clear when the team known for pressure on the QB lines up 8 in the box on third and 4 from the goal line in an obvious passing down that they are about to come with heat. Hell, I bet even Larry Michael could have told you blitz was coming.
PS – Chris Horton might be a better safety than Laron Landry right now. Landry is good but way overhyped lately in the media. His play on the pick was a great play but its pretty rare that he makes a play on the ball when there is a defenseless receiver he could be attempting to spear in the back while being 2 steps late on the play.
you might be both...
but i think youre right
by grandpa grouse on Sep 14, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Me2...
Manningham is dam quick, but there is no way he should have scored on that play. I mean it’s not like our D hasn’t seen that play in practice (at least the first part where we lose 2 yds on that play because the receiver got gang tackled). Please add that to my list of changes for next week. I hate that play, just pads completion stats. We never run it correctly for any real gain.
Yeah, you're still drunk
doesn’t this pic seem to some up Andre Carter’s stint in DC?
It’s sum up, not some up
This is the second time you made a mistake like this in the past few minutes. The head writer for Hogs Haven should be ashamed.
never...
be ashamed of being drunk. it’s a natural state for some of us.
by grandpa grouse on Sep 14, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
my spelleeng haz been atrocious tooday.
My brain will be operating at 100% by tomorrow.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 14, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw Carter at LE at least once on a passing down, I assumed Orakpo was at RE but could not see for sure. I cant check the DRV right now…maybe in a few days.
This is where the team or better the coaches
are afraid to move out the vet and give to someone who appears hungry.
Play calling where Kelly is first progression
Using Alexander
If Marko is active then he better be in to catch a pass, that was the orginal plan according to Zorn
Stop allowing the other team to dictate the game, take the game at them
Changes for next week
Some ideas I’ve gathered from all the above:
- Run right and up the middle some
- Pass on 1st down more
- Mix up player packages to our advantage: e.g taller receivers get more work esp in Red Zone
- Get Sellers involved with blocking, running and receiving just to hurt someone
- What happened to Fred Dean?
- Tighten up secondary
- While pass rush was improved, still need more pressure – freshen up blitz packages – use them
- Take more shots down field – use roll-outs, swing passes to avoid rush
-Inflict pain on the opposition – O needs to get tough!! G-Men were laughing at us!!!
Fred Dean
Was a defensive end for the Chargers and 49ers. I’m not sure what he has to do with the Redskins at this point but yeah…
Oops!!
I meant Fred Davis. Fred Dean played DE for the 49’ers. And really, I never root for anyone to get injured. I’m just sayin’ – the G-Men were laughing at us. That needs to get fixed by being more physical and intimidating. MHO
I want
EVERY major offensive threat on the opposing team to be injured. I don’t care how that sounds. You don’t think that’s how the Ravens go into a game? That’s why teams are scared to play Baltimore.
My favorite movie quote of all time:
All right, now, I don’t want them to gain another yard!* * You blitz… all… night!* If they cross the line of scrimmage, I’m gonna take every last one of you out! You make sure they remember, forever, the night they played the Titans! – Coach Yoast
by CJHutch on Sep 14, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not necessarily injured but
I do want every one of our offensive opponents to be scared of our defense. In other words, I wish we had 11 Sean Taylors on defense this year. There wasn’t an offensive player in the league who wasn’t aware of, or cautious of Sean Taylor.
However, that just isn’t how our defense operates. They could, but they don’t. Our defense doesn’t want teams to score, the Ravens don’t want a team to gain 1 yard the entire game. That’s the difference between our defense and the Ravens’.
no, I want
PAIN. I want to see a Joey T type injury to Romo. Bones jutting out through pads. And screw broken ribs, I wanna see Haynesworth swan dive WITH McNabb into the ground, turning his ribcage to dust. THEN they’ll be scared to play us.
LOL!
Id pay to see Haynesworth Swan dive on Romo….
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 14, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent Movie-Excellent Quote!
The Redskins of 2008 and Game 1 of 2009, play based on the other team and what they dictate.
It’s time to take on an identify, set the tempo and get the other teams to play REDSKIN FOOTBALL
I think
us Skins fans (myself included) need to take a step back and say “Woosa”. It’s week 1. Last time I checked you can’t win the Super Bowl or for that matter, make the playoffs after week 1. Lots of football to be played and you never know what can happen.
Yep, but...
it’s like they did it to me again. Every year I get my hopes up, only to get dashed on the rocks (shakin’ not stirred). I figured, OK, we didn’t go for an O lineman (Like Oher, who is starting for the Ravens), but hey – We have a D that’s not going to give up more than 17 pts/game. All we have to do is figure out how to score 20. Anyone know what the league scoring average is?
Oh well…like you say the season is long, anything can happen, and it looks like there aren’t any serious injuries to worry about either. So let’s get serious about the Rams. (And please show them something different on Offense.)
The Seahawks
Shut the Rams out in the first week by beating them 28-0. If our defense gives up 3 points I’ll be disappointed.
Not a complete statistic, but
13 out of 28 teams that played prior to tonight scored less than 17 points, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that we can win games defensively (as many great teams of the past have).
agreed
it always seems like if our opponent gets past 20 were done bc we cant get passed 20 points
it doesn't seem like that, it IS like that
and our last 3 head coaches were/are offensive head coaches
@ Campbell defenders..
So let’s see…
1. On the fumble had a HUGE pocket in front of him yet failed to step up into it and avoid the rush— this is called pocket presence— something our hopefully soon-to-be free agent has never had.
2. How about the audible at the line RIGHT into the blitz? Eight in the box, blitzing down and distance and showing full blitz and you audible to THAT?
3. People always blame the WR’s… Yes they aren’t great but good QBs make bad receivers decent ones (an example)— Atlanta never had any wideouts when Vick was there, then Ryan shows up and all of a sudden they do!
I’m not saying anyone is free from blame but please don’t act like Campbell is a pro QB, he’s not. Anyone who watched this game could see mental miscue after miscue. No different than last year or any other Campbell year.. Sadly, Brennan is on IR so we’re screwed I guess.
When you say "Our" and "We're"
Do you mean the Redskins or the Ravens? Obviously I know Campbell’s on the Redskins, but your recent joining of Hogs Haven and history of posts on the Ravens blog make this anti-Campbell rant even more asinine.
Not trying to support him or anything (I wholeheartedly disagree with his comment) but he’s subscribed to the Orioles blog, not the Ravens. However, he falls under the category of the supposed “fan” I described in another post.
Someone who signs up to Hogs Haven the day of the game (he signed up a day later, even worse) and has 1 lonely comment bashing the Redskins.
ACTUALLY...
I was stationed overseas for a year… Good job on your assessment of my fanhood.
I’m not bashing the Redskins, just our QB. And I forgot to mention the blown timeouts above as well
I don't know anything
about his manhood fanhood, but I have to agree with his assessment. I have, and will continue to support Campbell as long as he is our QB. Furthermore, I HOPE he does well, because that means WE (I think I qualify as a true Fan, right guys? ………Hey guys?) do well.
BUT, JC does need to get his S*$T together quick. That fumble was his fault. Sure, Samuels coulda strung Osi out a little further, but Campbell has GOT to step up into the pocket naturally. The few times he did it Sunday, it seemed like he was in a rush. Maybe it’s due to his blasts in the past, but he looked too rattled even when he did have good protection. Hopefully Zorn has some sort of Zen practice drill that will rectify that.
Yea Brennan would have been awesome! Lets see in preseason he averaged a pick per quarter, so that would have really helped our cause.
He called a bad audible? That doesn’t happen to good QBs? And the play clock was running down and it was loud as shit dude. Half our offense couldn’t hear the audible and with the clock running down he had to switch again to something conservative rather than his receivers running the wrong route in a timing based offense, DUH!
Sure he had bad fumble but he also completed 75% of his passes and his QB rating is 11 points higher than the league average yesterday. You seriously think Colt would have led us to victory? Let me answer that for you NO CHANCE, we would of lost by atleast 14.
dude
this is his 4th year as a starter (granted he didn’t start all his games his 1st year) and he still makes the same mistakes. Give me a game that J Campbell won for the Redskins, just 1 game. Thirty-seven starts, by all odds he should have won ONE game for us by now on his own.
the 49ers game last year
except the defense folded and gave up a last second FG to lose
or was that FG his fault too?
the 49ers game?
18/30 160 yds 1 TD and a rushing TD is winning a game for your team nowadays?
I post here because I’m frustrated not that I think he’s bad but because I think he just isn’t progressing. Every week it’s the same mistakes. Shorts throws on long 3rd downs, not stepping up in the pocket when he should be (i.e. that fumble yesterday), and mismanaged games to name a few just get frustrating week in and week out.
The have ONE WR
Atlanta never had any wideouts when Vick was there, then Ryan shows up and all of a sudden they do!
Roddy White, and if you think Ryan made him what he is, I’m not sure what to tell you
JC had a terrible game yesterday and me a sad little Redskins fan. But I remain a JC defender to the point that he is far from our biggest problem, and dumping him last year or this year doesn’t really solve anything.
JC is not a HOFer. At this point he doesn’t even look like a potential pro bowler. But energy spent trashing him is misspent when evaluating all that’s wrong with this roster.
true
he is not our biggest problem. passive play-calling is our biggest problem, on both sides of the ball. if they would play to JCs strengths and let him unleash that cannon of his once in awhile, then defenses would be forced to respect the deep ball, which would open up more running room for portis and underneath passes later in the game. open up the damn playbook!
Yup. A sign of great coaches is catering to your players talents
but Zorn is still trying to shoehorn JC into being a WCO QB
the sign of a good front office is getting players that fit your scheme, or a coach that fits your players
and yet we end up with Jason Taylor trying to play in a rigid 4-3, or JC trying to learn let another new offense, this time the WCO which requires accuracy above all else (not JC’s strong point) or going from Schottenheimer defense/run game to Spurrier air it out to Gibbs defense/run game (which JC has the right tools for) and now to the WCO/short passes/accuracyneeded (which doesn’t suit JC).
sigh. we have neither a front office, nor have we had a good coach for about 19 years.
Don't know if it was mentioned
but what QB in the league holds the ball with one hand down by his hips when he is starting to get pressure? I know he had time, but keep the damn ball up! Basics.
Redskin woes
We can blame Jason Campbell for all ours woes, but I would look at our wide receivers. We didn’t upgrade this position in the off season. Our top receiver (Moss) is no better than the third receiver in the days of Art Monk and Gary Clark. He is great at trash talking and celebrating, but he falls short in the receiving department. Also, Marko Mitchell shows me more then Kelly or Thomas. I guess he will be trade bait; he’s only a seventh round pick. Maybe the problem is with Dan and Vinny? Other teams (Dallas for sure) within our division have no problems getting great quarterbacks and wide receivers year after year. Why can’t the Redskins? How about the play calling for the Redskins, it is very predictable.
Based on some of these comments, I wonder if we watched the same game. The Giants took the opening kickoff, marched down the field, scored on their opening possession and never looked back.
The NYG coaches have no respect of our offensive ability and Mr conservative TC goes 4 downs in the red zone and probably believes he will be right back there if they don’t make it. He was right.
We have no confidence in our own kicking game and pass on a 52 yard field goal in what should be a tight game. Then, we punt it into the end zone netting a whopping 15 yards.
The offensive line stinks. Campbell is pressured, fumbles, and we’re down 17 – 0 before we even knew what hit us. We had a few moments here and there in garbage play, but we never threatened at any point in the game. It was over after 20 minutes of play.
That game was just painful. Forget 10-6… 6 wins, 8 max. The Bucs game will be informative…they stink too…but they do have a decent offensive line. Snyder and Cerrato are the ones that need to be fired.
by les boulez bomber on Sep 14, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
the o-line was doing OK
the line did fine when they weren’t blitzing but we only threw on 3rd down so of course the blitz was comming… and like i said in my comment we have the best blocking running back in the NFL and he is sitting on the bench on blitzing down? that is just bad coaching plain and simple the giants had us scouted and it wasn’t that hard.. since it seems he is reading the book how to play a safe game in the NFL
by confederate_gent on Sep 15, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
whoah, people, we lost by 6 to a very good team in their stadium on the first game of the season.
the ARE gadget play was a fine play call. ARE’s mistake. he almost never fails to throw the ball away on that type of play. early in the first game is not a bad time to try that play, when everyone is jacked up and might overpursue. if it works you’re a genius. if ARE throws it out of bounds no one talks about it. anyways, we gained 34 yards on a run, but it’s not unheard of to run again after a play like that and lose a yard. happens all the time.
this team is better suited to passing than running. I’d like to see a 55/45 split in favor of passing, if not 58/42.
sure
but it could have been even MORE misleading if just one play had gone a different way. I’m not would-coulda-shoulda’in here. What I’m saying is, as much as they dominated us, we still had a shot to win the game. Is that something to be proud of? Probably not. But it’s something to keep in mind. It’s not always the best team that wins. Sometimes it’s the team that makes the last play.
To tell you the truth
If I were the Giants I wouldn’t be so ecstatic about their win. Jason Campbell looked pretty crappy, as did our offensive and defensive playcalling IMO. We still have a lot of room to grow. The Giants are capable of improving, but for the most part they played about as well as they were going to play in the first game. Even after all of this we only lost by 6 points.
We can all sit here and say that the Giants dominated us a lot more than what the score dictates, but no matter what we still lost by 6 after Campbell GAVE the Giants 7 points.
I’d say that they ‘frustrated’ us more than dominated. The giants made a lot of plays on thrid down, I think Eli was 5-5 at one point on third down. This helped them control the clock. Shit we only had the ball once in the first quarter. Eli had a great game and threw the ball into the cracks with their wrs making nice ‘hands’ catches (somehting Jc and our boys did not do). In the end they just made more plays on third down than us…I at least don’t feel like we were streamrolled like last year.
I’d love to see JC trust his Wrs more to make plays. Seems like he waits for them to be open before releasing the ball. We have MM and Kelly now so there are no more excuses for not putting the ball up for someone to make a play…it is time to challenge our receivers. I’m tired of seeing other teams do this to us and we just take what the D give us. (I thought I was less bitter today, guess not!)
agreed
but they also need to be on the on the field. I want to see a set with at least 2 of our big guys, preferably 3. And THROW IT DEEP!! JC himself said they need to do this even if they don’t complete it, just so teams respect it. At this point, on third and long, I’d rather us heave a 40 yard bomb to Kelly into double coverage than run a draw play then punt. What does it matter if it gets picked off when we’re just gonna punt anyway?The first time we do that and Kelly MAKES THE CATCH, is when teams start seeing us in a whole different light.
some questions i had after the game
1. why was betts in on 3rd down and long plays? when portis is the best blocking back there is..
2. why so safe? it’s like my old high school coach used to tell us “if you can’t leave it all on the Field then don’t take the field” or something like that.. but we took no shots what so ever we played safe ball all game.. to me that says that Zorn doesn’t trust Campbell at all..
3 why stay with the zone when they are picking it apart? Hell the giants had no wr’s so why were our db’s giving them a 5 cushion get up there and bump them a Lil shake them up a Lil..
and in closing
while yes Campbell some mistakes. the coaches made more. and lost us the game
zorn has to take risk we will never go any where in this div if we play it safe every game
by confederate_gent on Sep 15, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions
after my own heart
1. why was betts in on 3rd down and long plays? when portis is the best blocking back there is..
Now THAT’S something I’ve heard before
Optimistic
I think Campbell did alright. His completion percentage was over 70%. Threw for a TD. Had over 200yds passing. Made a few mistakes, but still played better than some other qbs on Sunday. I think his rating was actually higher than Eli’s for this game.
Considering the crazy talent the Giants have on their defensive line, and our O line not being great, I wasn’t let down by Campbell.
The defense played 36 minutes and gave up 1 TD and 3 field goals. We completely stuffed Jacobs. Had two turnovers. They played decent.
The game plan…. What the f!? I pretty much agree with everything negative said about the game plan. Offensive and Defensive. Play caller(s) needs a foot up the …
Zorn’s personality annoys me.
exactly
the fumble was an awful play. But here’s a gasser….OTHER TEAMS FUMBLE TOO. And sometimes, they even win after doing so. But you know what else other teams do? They involve their playmakers. They don’t limit themselves to the same 2 or 3 guys they have been using for the past 5 years. Does anyone really think Mario Manninham is better than Malcolm Kelly? (anyone who’s not a Giants fan, that it) I don’t. I don’t even think Kevin Boss is better than Fred Davis. But who KNOWS for sure? Because we refuse to use these guys. It’s not all on Campbell. The only times I noticed Davis in there were on run plays (including Hunter the Runner’s scamper to the house.)
So how about turning to page 2 of the playbook? HayZues!!! We went from a 700 page playbook to a 1 page summary. Seriously, do we HAVE any running plays to the right? And what happened to the page with those fly routes that Kelly and ARE ran in the preseason?
OK, I’m done. Sorry, I just spent all night at work explaining football to a DallASS fan front-runner. I’m a little amped.
What's worse
Is the fact that Zorn said he added about 70 plays to the offense this year?! Seriously? Because I haven’t seen them. I know it’s only been one game but is Zorn planning on using new offensive plays during certain games? I’m just so frustrated with his playcalling right now it’s not even funny.
Disturbing WR play
What is concerning to me is to see how much further along Manningham seems to be as compared to Kelly and Thomas. We need to see something out of Kelly or Thomas real soon or it’s back to the drawing board at WR. And it seems like Santana and Campbell are always running/throwing different routes on the deep balls. I don’t know who’s fault that is, but it is quite embarassing to watch.
that's my point
I don’t think he is “further along than Kelly.” I don’t know about Thomas. But Manningham did nothing last year. All they had to go off of was his preseason performance this year. But they knew they needed to UTILIZE THEIR WEAPONS, so they got him involved. They, ahem, LOOKED FOR HIM. Ran plays for him even. We have yet to do that with any of our young receivers.
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