Let's talk about the Running Backs
I'm so tired of every FanPost on the site being dedicated to a quarterback controversy that shouldn't exist. There are so many more interesting storylines with this team that will ultimately prove to be much more important this season. Then we'll feel stupid for having wasted our energy trying to decipher punctuationless postings instead having a constructive discourse about our favorite team.
That being said, I'd like to talk about our running backs. I think it is safe to say that in Jim Zorn's version of the West Coast offense, the running game is the cornerstone. In the first half of last season, Clinton Portis was the league's #1 rusher and was neck in neck with Jason Campbell in league MVP discussions. No seriously, our team was actually getting praise last season, remember?
In Saturday's preseason game against Pittsburgh, the running game was again the most impressive aspect of the first team's performance. Portis and Betts combined for 18 yards on two consecutive plays to bring us into the redzone. Portis finished his work with 5 carries for 26 yards. He also made me chuckle with his reaction to the bullshit roughness penalty on Deangelo Hall.
However, I am having some doubts that CP can carry the load as successfully this season. I actually advised a friend of mine not to take Portis too early in our fantasy draft cause I think his production will drop off. Now, there are a couple different reasons why this might happen and not all of them would spell doom and gloom for this team.
If Ladell Betts can step up to his 2006 production level and successfully spell Portis on a regular basis, then Portis' legs will remain fresh into January. If Rock Cartright can demonstrate that he can produce outside of special teams, it will be an added bonus. If Dominic Dorsey or Anthony Aldridge can show the semblance of a spark as a change-of-pace back in the preseason one of them might make the team. Maybe Marcus Mason might make the most of his moments. Whoever it ends up being, someone else needs to step up, because I'm not sure that Clinton can make it through another workhorse season.
It seems like the team is of the same mindset. Last week, the Washington Post reported that Ladell Betts will be the Redskins' official third down back. I heard on the radio that the team confirmed this decision, but I can't find a link to that. This move has a lot of implications. First, Zorn must be very confident in Betts, not only in his rushing, but also in his pass catching and blocking. Second, Zorn, conversely, must not be so confident in Portis-- perhaps in his pass catching but probably also in his ability to withstand the whole season. The question will be, is Portis ok with this move?
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I think that he would have to be. Portis loves the ball, loves to put the team on his back. He was very vocal last year about how he disapproved of being benched in the second half of the Ravens game. However, Portis has to know that he is getting older and if he wants to be productive for even another couple years he has to cut back on his carries. If the team is making an official decision and announcing it this eary, you have to think they have consulted Portis. Right? Then again, I wouldn't be all surprised if they hadn't.
When I first heard this, I immediately approved. I really want Portis' carries to be limited this year, at least early on, in order to keep him fresh at the end of games and at the end of the year. I like Betts; even if he has had ball security problems, I think he could start on another team. Plus, we were one of the only teams in the league that didn't operate with a committee of backs last year, which is a league trend that we would be stupid not to follow.
I also felt like "Official Third Down Back" wouldn't necessarily be a hard-set strategy that would be employed regardless of field position, scoreboard, or game clock. Its Third and One on the 3 yard line, Portis gets the ball, right? Well, maybe not. That exact scenario occured on Saturday. The result: Ladells Betts, no gain, field goal.
Now, because it's preseason we have no way of knowing whether the same play will be called come September 13. Maybe Zorn just wanted to see whether he could count on Betts in that situation. But that shouldn't stop us from speculating, criticizing, and getting way too worked up about it. So, what do you think?
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Mmh
I’m iffy on Betts as the 3rd down back. Like in a previous post, someone mentioned that betts could only run “if the whole is big enough to run a truck through” and on 3rd downs, that’s not going to happen to much. And seeing him not be able to punch it 1 yard kind of got to me a little.
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by Rekka on Aug 24, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Betts did not follow Sellers block at the goal line. He needed to cut it back inside or follow behind sellers instead of letting sellers block his man into him and get tackled. I dont know what to make of Betts still. In 2006 he seemed to need a few carries to get things going, then he would attack the line of scrimmage and bust off some good runs. The last few times I’ve seen Betts run, he got up to the line and dance around looking for a hole.
by liger99 on Aug 24, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sellers
I didn’t mention him above, but without Caveman the running game will go nowhere. I don’t think I exhaled until I saw him walking around on the sidelines.
by Boo. on Aug 24, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Consider age of RBs
Both Portis and Betts are in their 8th seasons. It would be better to phase in the 2nd and 3rd running backs than to wait until Portis is no longer effective.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 24, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of teams do this very effectively
We aren’t one of them
by Boo. on Aug 24, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the
only thing that will get Betts back to his 2006 form is a time machine. Everyone knows RB’s have a short shelf life. I know Betts hasn’t been a starter, but he’s had a pretty fair amount of carries, suffered a serious injury, and is knocking on room 30. Add all that to the fact the he does nothing that Portis can’t do, and to me you have an expendable back. Now, I know that Zorn is comfortable with him, but I just don’t see him being productive as a runner when called upon. Sure, he’s ok catching it out of the backfield, but that can be coached.
Now, I know you’ve never heard this before, but what I’m saying is we should make Betts the surprise veteran cut for the 53, and keep Mason. Mason has the size, speed, and vision to be an everydown back. Why not give him some coaching and rep with the 1st team to see if he’s up to that task? I really don’t think he could do any worse than Betts. Of course, if there’s a way for us to keep Betts AND Mason (as long as it doesn’t cost Marko Mitchell a spot), I’m all for it. But I don’t see it.
by CJHutch on Aug 24, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it too late for a competition at backup RB?
I’ll pay more attention to him on Friday, but I’ve sort of taken everyone at their word that Mason is the real deal. It would be nice to see him get some carries against first-teamers to see what he could do under real game conditions.
We haven’t heard much out of the team in terms of a real competition for any of the RB spots. Obviously they brought in DD and AA to return kicks/punts, and that puts Rock’s job on the line, but they haven’t commented openly about it being a competition. Along the same lines, you would think you would have heard that Betts was getting pushed by Mason if there was any chance in Zorn’s mind that Betts would lose his job.
I’m not sold on Betts either. He is a serviceable backup but his entire skill set is the same as Portis, except one step below. If the team thought Mason was even at that level, you would have thought someone would have reported on it. Of course, maybe we would have heard something if people weren’t obsessed about a QB controversy.
I really think the wrong decision about who we keep behind Portis could end up costing us games this year. How many RBs can we realistically keep? (And, yes, Marko Mitchell better make this team.)
by Boo. on Aug 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m so tired of every FanPost on the site being dedicated to a quarterback controversy that shouldn’t exist. There are so many more interesting storylines with this team that will ultimately prove to be much more important this season. Then we’ll feel stupid for having wasted our energy trying to decipher punctuationless postings instead having a constructive discourse about our favorite team.
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As for the running back discussion: I’m of the opinion that you all but need a tandem at running back to succeed in today’s NFL. Anecdotally it makes sense to me given that defensive players are getting bigger and stronger and the historically short shelf life of running backs is indicative of how much of a pounding they take. Statistically speaking most of the teams with good running games have at least two backs who see a decent workload and produce (New York, Baltimore, Tennessee, Atlanta).
Naturally the question for me then is whether or not Betts is good enough to be the guy who spells Portis in a great rushing attack, and I just don’t think he is. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy and I appreciate all that he’s done for the team but I think of him as a number two back, not a 1A type of guy. Maybe with a clearly defined role Betts produces more, but I wouldn’t count on it.
Unfortunately I don’t see a solution in the short term – maybe Mason pulls a Ryan Grant and comes out of nowhere to do something, but probably not. Long term I think the team just needs to make having more than one running back capable of starting a priority
by David M. Getz on Aug 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Depth Chart should be
1.Portis 2.Betts 3.Dorsey
by AppleDrank on Aug 24, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Cartwright is gone
I love him as a leader, but Dorsey looks able to produce as a return man, and if we don’t sign Mason to a contract this year, we can’t keep him on the practice squad any more. I think Mason almost definitely gets a spot this year and the coaches will make a decision about Cartwright or Dorsey. Dorsey seems like he’ll be the more productive return man, while Cartwright can probably be a better all-around special teamer and a great locker room presence. Tough to say.
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by kseandoyle on Aug 24, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking he was expendable too...
… but he is by far the most consistent and reliable role player that we have on this team. I haven’t seen enough from Dorsey (or anything from Aldridge) to warrant letting a leader like Rock go. I would really like to see Mason get time backing up Portis on friday to see if he can cut it against the big boys.
Does Aldridge have any chance to prove himself at this point? He’s coming late to the game and I don’t think he could get enough playing time against real competition to make an impression, especially with everyone else vying for time. It’s a realy shame because he came so highly recommended from Shanahan; I’ve always had a feeling that he would be the more viable option.
by Boo. on Aug 25, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Alridge wasn't injury prone, that'd be one thing...
but he is. Oh well.
Anyway, I’ve been going over the roster, and it seems like we might have enough room this year to carry 5 RBs if we want to. That would allow us to keep Cartwright, Mason, and Dorsey. Who knows if the team actually does that, but I think it could work out.
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by kseandoyle on Aug 25, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think carrying 5 is a good move...
The roster spot could be more valuable elsewhere and usually there is an overstock of RBs on the FA market so if there is an injury issue we can scoop someone up.
by pas493 on Aug 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DD and AA probably wouldn't get picked up off the practice squad immediately
I forget how it works, does a team have a chance to make a qualifying offer to one of its practice players before they get picked up by another team or is that just part of the gamble of making roster cuts?
I also don’t think we would end up carrying 5, but I wouldn’t mind seeing ksean’s breakdown of who wouldn’t make it if we did.
by Boo. on Aug 25, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I wasn't counting Sellers as a RB
so he’s not in that discussion. And if you carry 5 halfbacks on this team, only one cut is necessary. To me, it’s pretty obvious. Alridge might have really good potential, but he hasn’t been able to get on the field. So he’d be the one cut.
If we were to only carry 4, honestly, I would strongly consider cutting Betts. To a lot of people on this site, that’s a no-brainer, but I like the guy, and stand by my argument that if he could get consistent carries he could show us flashes of his 06 performance. But the team has labeled him as their official “third-down back” and I don’t really think that’s the best idea in the world. How much of a groove can he get in if he only runs in certain 3rd down situations? Maybe it’s worth seeing what kind of trade value he has and putting Mason in as the 3rd-down back. I don’t know.
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by kseandoyle on Aug 25, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most RBs we would carry is 4
QBs – JC, TC, CB (3)
RBs – CP, Betts, Rock?, Mason or AA or DD (4)
FB – Sellers (1)
WRs – Moss, ARE, DT, MK, Marko (5)
TEs – Cooley, Davis, Yoder (3)
OL – Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Rinehart, Heyer, Thomas, M. Williams, Bridges (8)*
DL – Daniels, Wynn, Jarmon, Griffin, A. Montgomery, Haynesworth, Golston, Carter, Jackson, Alexander (10)
LBs – Fletcher, Blades, Rocky, Orakpo, Wilson, Fincher, Henson? (7)**
CBs – Rogers, Hall, Smoot, Barnes, Tryon? (5)
Safeties – Landry, Horton, Moore, Doughty (4)
K – Suisham (1)
P – Hunter (1)
LS – Albright (1)
= 53.
*I left off a backup Center to make 4 RBs.
**I left off our draft pick – Cody Glenn – to make 4 RBs.
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by VA_Skin on Aug 25, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Williams will not make this team, and they said they plan on keeping 10 lineman.
by travisjh86 on Aug 26, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Mike needs to play friday if he has a chance.
VA_Skin also left off Will Montgomery and Edwin Williams, who are getting a whole lot of praise.
Are we also dismissing Eddie Williams, the FB draft pick? He would be a pretty safe bet on the practice squad, but if he can catch well and lead block Zorn might like him.
Yoder might not be a definite, either. With 9 OL and 2 TE there might still be a chance for 4 RBs.
by Boo. on Aug 26, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we have no one behind casey at center. I think it’s more likely we cut wynn to make room for montgomery just in case and as you pointed out he has been making an impression.
I disagree with you on Yoder, though. He’s our blocking tight end and although he’s not a target we look towards often he is reliable receiving option.
I just don’t see it being reasonable keeping 4 running backs.
by travisjh86 on Aug 26, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think there are enough openings/expendable positions elsewhere to warrant keeping 4 RBs. It would be a real tough decision for me, based on what i know. I have a feeling the team isn’t considering cutting Betts.
Oh, and Big Mike is playing friday and Jason Reid seems pretty sure that he will make the team.
by Boo. on Aug 26, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
big mike or big mike jr.?
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by Rekka on Aug 26, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know who else is worth keeping on the O-line
Batiste, Burley, Clark, Riley, and E. Williams all looked like a JV practice sled against Baltimore’s THIRD string defense, when they were supposed to be protecting Colt.
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by VA_Skin on Aug 26, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I've said this before, but
we should seriously consider cutting Betts. He’s approaching Jon Jansen status. Let the young ‘n’ hungry guy (with the better upside) step up. I doubt there would be a market for Betts, considering Edgerrin James JUST got picked up, and Deuce McCalister is still out there. Veteran RB’s aren’t a hot commodity these days. At the very least make it an open, fair competition; best man wins. Or at least the most productive. I just think Mason is a better RB than Betts, maybe even better than Betts EVER was. MM has excellent vision, and can get out of situations Betts simply can’t. Truthfully, I think Cartwright is more valuable on KR than Betts is at backup RB. He just doesn’t offer anything unique to the team.
by CJHutch on Aug 25, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edge is getting up there in years
so I’m not too surprised it took him a while to get signed, but Betts has a lot fewer miles on him. I wouldn’t but him in the same category as Edge or Deuce (or even T.J. Duckett, who is also unsigned*) just yet. But there are tons of young, talented RBs that are virtually indistinguishable from one another, and in a committee back system all you need is consistency.
Betts’ value was highest after 2006, but I wouldn’t have jumped to trade him them cause of Clinton’s health. We should shop him now, he might be worth a third rounder. I am officially climbing on board the Marcus Mason bandwagon.
*BTW, over on the Eagles blog they are drooling over the possibility of picking up Duckett. I thought it was funny.
by Boo. on Aug 26, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow, didn't realize Betts was 29
Cut Cut Cut Cut Cut.
by Boo. on Aug 26, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I’m gonna be laughed at here, and maybe deservedly so. But I heard Shaun Alexander on the Junkies today. He said he’s in great shape and looking to sign with a team. Now, I would MUCH rather keep Mason than sign Alexander, but truthfully I’d rather have Shaun than Betts. SA said he still wasn’t healthy when he was here last year, but he is now. Obviously a workout and physical would be needed. But I tell you what, I bet Alexander gets into the end zone against the Steelers last week. The one place where Betts has come up frustratingly short over the years is short yardage TD’s. Meanwhile, Alexander is a beast near the goal line.*
keep in mind, I KNOW this won’t happen, and isn’t even under consideration. And, like I said, the only backup RB I’m interested in right now is Mason.
by CJHutch on Aug 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not laughing
I was actually thinking the same thing earlier today…
by pas493 on Aug 26, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
be careful
people may start grouping you with me
by CJHutch on Aug 26, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Shaun Alexander makes this team again
I’m gonna start wondering if we have a Seattle conspiracy to sabotage this team. When Steve Hutchinson went to Minnesota (and Walter Jones started showing his mortality), Alexander’s career went down the toilet. He is done.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 26, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CP needs help
And Betts and Rock are not enough. I just pray that Mason/Alridge/Dorsey will really explode in these last 2 preseasons.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 25, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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