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Statistically, Redskins Are Not Likely to Improve From Last Year

One of the perks of writing for SB Nation is that they give us access to excellent resources, such as Football Outsiders (FO), who records the in-depth statistics of every play for every team. We were fortunate enough to get an advanced copy of the FO Almanac, which has some great in-depth analysis and statistics of every team, including the Redskins. There are a lot of stats that stand out from the 2008 season, one of which being: 

Washington posted their three worst offensive DVOA totals in Week 8 (when Samuels was inactive with that balky knee) and Weeks 15 and 17, when he was gone for the year.

So basically, Chris Samuels cannot get hurt. Ever. To get a further understanding of the Redskins woes from 2008, Football Outsiders answered our questions:

Hogs Haven: In your FO Almanac, you said: 

 "Zone-blitzing the Redskins may not be the wisest move. Washington faced more zone blitzes than any other offense - 7.1 percent of pass plays - and shredded those blitzes with 89.1% DVOA, the best in the NFC."

What types of defenses was it that the Redskins struggled so much against? Opposing teams seemed to get pressure on Jason Campbell with even a 4-man rush, so I'd be curious to know those stats since the offense scored so few points.

Well, Campbell's sack rate was higher than average no matter how many people were rushing him. Here are his sack totals and percentages as split by the number of defenders that were rushing the quarterback:

3 rushers: 1 sack /31 attempts (3.3%, league average 3.3%)
4: 23/333 (6.9%, league average 5.3%)
5: 11/140 (7.9%, league average 7.5%)
6: 3/30 (10%, league average 7.5%)
7: 0/5 (0%, league average 9.5%)

There's no easy answer to give here like, say, "Campbell can't handle a blitz of six men or more". Quarterbacks tend to play slightly worse when you blitz them more, but they're usually in worse situations, too. 

Hogs Haven: Zorn added 80+ passing plays to the offense now that he's in year two with Campbell. What are the stats for coaches that go into year two of a system? (Hasselbeck's numbers jumped high his 2nd year under Zorn).

Our projection system provides a very slight bump for teams that retain their offensive coordinator (or their defensive coordinator) for multiple seasons up to a certain point, as we've found that teams that retain their coordinators do tend to see a slight improvement over similar franchises that don't.

There's nothing in those numbers, though, that indicates that Campbell should take a mighty leap forward. We like Jason Campbell; Dave Lewin's Lewin Career Forecast, which predicts the NFL performance of college QB's, had very nice things to say about Campbell coming out of Auburn. So maybe he'll take a step forward, and Zorn will help. But it won't be the dominant factor.

One thing that we can say pretty much for sure; Campbell's going to throw more interceptions. He threw picks on 1.2% of his passes last year, a remarkably low figure and one that almost always -- as in, say, 39 times out of 40 -- regresses back up closer to 3% or so. Last year's example was David Garrard, who was at a ridiculous 0.9% in 2007; he threw 13 picks last year at a rate of 2.4%.

Hogs Haven: What predictions can you make for the O-line with the addition of former Redskin Derrick Dockery (who was successful in this system before), and the replacement of Stephon Heyer, who is younger and stronger than Jon Jansen?

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I always love these sort of questions because fans will always bring up the hopeful adjectives about players. That's not a criticism, just an observation. The flip side is that you could say that Dockery was such a disappointment that he washed out of Buffalo after two years, and Heyer's failed to take the job by the horns, is inexperienced, and gets banged up too easily. That's not a fair analysis, but it's just the counterbalance to only noticing the happy things.

The biggest factor that we've noticed about offensive lines is that continuity helps a lot more than people think. Talent's great, but when you're barking out the signals and someone's not paying attention, talent isn't worth much. A blown assignment in the running game leads to second-and-long, a blown block leads to a sack that blows out Jason Campbell's knee ... it only takes one mistake, and offensive lines that are new with each other tend to make them. 

Obviously, Heyer's played a fair amount with the team, and Dockery was playing with Chris Samuels a couple of years ago. So that helps. I'd expect a few hiccups, but in the long run, it's more about keeping the five starters healthy than anything else. If they're healthy, the line will play well. If not, well, there will be trouble.

Hogs Haven: What turnover ration can Redskins fans expect with the addition of Haynesworth and Orakpo...since QBs will be forced to throw the ball quicker? (Orakpo has been very impressive in camp, drawing heavy praise from Chris Samuels and London Fletcher).

Yeah; again, plenty of guys get praised in camp, but that doesn't mean bupkus once you get on the field. I like Orakpo as a player, personally, but pass rushers rarely -- really rarely -- make an impact as a rookie. Think about Mario Williams, Patrick Kerney, Michael Strahan -- elite 4-3 pass rushers off the edge. (If he actually does end up playing strong side linebacker, well, he's even less likely to have an impact; the list of 4-3 linebackers with huge sack totals is extremely slim.) As for Haynesworth? There's no consistent trend where we see teams adding an elite pass rusher and seeing their interception or turnover totals go up. Anecdotally, I agree with you that the concept makes sense. But I can't sit here and truthfully tell you that "Interceptions will increase by 10 percent!" because we haven't seen it in the numbers.

Hogs Haven: Do you have percentages and comments on these stats?

- % of passing plays last year that were 5 yards and under (felt like 4/5 passes were under 5 yards...even on 3rd and long)
- % of 3 and outs and how that ranked with the rest of the league.
- % of run plays left, right, middle (I would imagine majority were runs left)

I don't have the numbers on third-and-outs, but I can answer the other two:

- Washington was third in the league in passes of five yards or less, at 51.7 percent. Only Tampa Bay and Indianapolis were higher.

- 38% of Washington's carries were to left end or left tackle; 30% were to right end or right tackle, with the remaining 32% being either up the middle or at either guard spot.

Hogs Haven: Without giving away the work you put into the book, can you give us your thoughts and expectations for the 2009 Redskins? What is your "best case" situation. Skins are optimistic the WRs from last year will contribute at a high level (Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis). All of them have looked exceptional at camp.

I think those receivers definitely have to play better, I think that's a key. I'd hope that they're optimistic, though; it would be worse if the Skins weren't!

We project the Redskins to win 7.8 games this year, with a 30% chance of winning 9-10 games and an 11% chance of winning 11+ games. Obviously, they play in an extremely tough division. In the NFC East, the balance of power could be shifted by one key injury (think Tony Romo's broken finger last year) or even a close win -- remember, the 2007 Giants beat the Eagles in a game where David Akers missed a game-tying field goal by a few inches. If the Eagles won that game in OT, the Giants wouldn't have made the playoffs.

Truthfully, you could tell me anything from 5-11 to 11-5 and I wouldn't be surprised. A lot could go right with this team, and a lot could go wrong.    

There is a lot to be said here. The key point Football Outsiders mentioned is that offensive line success is based on continuity. The Redskins cut 2 of their original starters from last year (Jansen, Kendall) and added multiple jouneymen, two of which have been out of the league for 1+ years (Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges). From what the statistics show and what I've seen so far in camp, it's going to be another see-saw year. I hate to say a month before the season starts that the Redskins success depends on EVERYONE staying healthy, but so it is.

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Jason Campbell’s success % nearly tripled when he was out of the shotgun…..hopefully we’ll see more of that.

by KevinE on Aug 14, 2009 7:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

very interesting

Their analysis seems very fair minded. Thanks for the post!

by ZakInOmaha on Aug 14, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love nerds.....

I mean that in absolutely no derogatory way. I am a nerd. I have always felt crunching numbers will generally always tell you the future. There is almost always a wild card to this but I feel like these answers were dead on as far as what to expect. I am feeling like the year will be the opposite of last year however. I see a slow start and a strong ending but as any real Skins fan, my fingers are crossed for a deep playoff run!

by shvd98z24 on Aug 14, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

playoffs playoffs playoffs did you say playoffs

just seems like we talk about this every year iam glad we dont train are army this way.i like zorn but when you dont draft anyone for the oline its not good super glue and duck tape only works for so long

by klaatu on Aug 14, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Love me some FO...

Those guys just do good work.

I think we all know that JC isn’t going to have 1.2% interceptions this year. My question for them, and anyone listening, would be: Is he being TOO tentative with the ball? Against seven rushers he’s solid at getting the ball out of his hands, but against six he’s not? Maybe he just needs to trust himself more (or his legs less?) and launch the damn football.

Sounds like he’s already prepared to take more chances in one on one situations with his receivers, which I like. But then again, I also like that 1.2% on interceptions. I’m torn.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Aug 14, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m nost sure if he is being too tenative b/c they really didn’t let him air the ball out last night. I don’t know why you don’t try to throw a couple of bombs in preseason.

by pas493 on Aug 14, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto.

Although I will say there’s good reason to hold something back in the preseason.

The retort is: Practice makes perfect.

I’ve maintained for well over a year now that Campbell’s best pass is his long ball.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Aug 14, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish his long balls had more arch. He’s got a strong arm, but his throws tend to be too flat.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Aug 14, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin E

I think the Skins should mortage the future and trade for Andre Smith. With the stout D-line and a better O-line, I think they could finally be back to the old skins, or look a little more like the team they played (minus the horrible purple uniforms and half fast logo because they stole an artist’s work the first year). Your thoughts?

by brettpedigo on Aug 14, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Andre Smith

I don’t think one player can fix the team (as every off-season teaches us). On the offense side, there is no depth anywhere, specifically RB and all positions of the O-line (TE position has depth). The Redskins O-line held up good last night, yet the Offense still was unable to move the ball down the field. So what would Andre Smith add there? Of course it is a major note that Santana and Portis were not playing, but they should at least be able to get in FG range ONCE.

Until the Redskins build through the draft, every season will be the same…high expectations, disappointing results. I’m trying to stay optimistic, it just gets tougher each year. When you build through the draft, young guys can replace older guys and you can trade those older guys in their prime for high draft picks. It’s a model that works that the Redskins refuse to use. Orakpo obviously proves this point, but as years go by, the free-agents the Skins signed have short life-spans given their age…so, there’s no continuity.

by KevinE on Aug 14, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

My thought process is that he is a rookie, and trading a 1st round next year for the 7 overall this year for a major building block could give us a jump our future.

by brettpedigo on Aug 14, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2010 Free Agent Offensive Tackles

Once players with too many years or injuries as well as those that have not been regular starters are eliminated there are not that many potential free agent tackles for 2010. Alex Barron, Brad Butler, Charlie Johnson, Nick Kaczur, Chris Kuper, and Marcus McNeill are the short list –
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=OL&y=2010

Even this short list is optimistic since these players are in their prime and are likely to get resigned.
It seems that the draft is the best way to get out of the Redskins offensive tackle dilemma and even then it would take several draft years.

by Jefferson1935 on Aug 17, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sobering read

The OL’s continuity is a great point. Hopefully our OL can stay healthy long enough to gel for a playoff run. At least the 1st half of the season should be easier than the 2nd.

Bottom line:

Truthfully, you could tell me anything from 5-11 to 11-5 and I wouldn’t be surprised. A lot could go right with this team, and a lot could go wrong.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Aug 14, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Point...

About building through the draft. Orakpo was an easy pick for this team. They would have lost some fans if they didnt take him. But I dont understand why they didnt draft one offensive lineman considering all the problems they had last season. Look at what this team has done with drafts picks the past five years. Some of those trades have been ridiculous, like trading a third round pick for TJ Duckett and a second round pick for Jason Taylor. I agree that this organization will be dissappointing for fans who have high expectations until they learn how to build in the draft, but it has to be done properly. The trade down two years ago was comically bad.

by Roastbeef on Aug 14, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vinny came to Bugel multiple times in the draft....

And Bugel said the O-line is fine…no need to draft an OL. This one isn’t on Vinny…or maybe it is if he thinks Bugel doesn’t need youth.

by KevinE on Aug 14, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that is true...

Then Bugel needs to be fired. Honestly, he appears to be in the same mold as Gibbs was, too nice and too apologetic. Did they watch the final 8 games last year?

by Roastbeef on Aug 14, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard this from a former player, who you also know

He also said it’s odd that Zorn kept Buges…should have his own staff.

by KevinE on Aug 14, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it can be extremely hard to argue mathematics. but just to investigate thouroughly………

how long has this statistical system been up and running and how long has it been in its current state?
- 2003 and since the last time they updated the equation.

and do they modify the equations each year?
-yup.

therefore, its not a good idea to base your understanding of ANYTHING statistical on just a few years or less of research gathering, Unless your are CNN and want to skew people’s opinions for politcal kickbacks and tax benefits, well then by all means. but be wary of things that state anything is “unlikely” or “likey” to happen, because due to good ol’ murphy, things can turn out quite different then you have been lead to believe. i’m not saying that these guys arent right or are blasphemers, im just questioning their ability to be correct enough to matter in the long run. we, nor they have canonical proof of what can or will happen other than what theyve seen happen since 2003. to me, 6 seasons is not long enoug to know and account for all the variables possible. the games have to be played first, then lets worry about statistics………

by TheOverLordMarshl on Aug 15, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Most of their equation data goes back to 1994

Some use data from much earlier (a lot of the team stats).

These guys are extremely thorough and by a wide margin are the most accurate and insightful NFL observers anywhere.

by smutsboy1 on Aug 17, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love

this team, but they will never be “upper echelon” until they get a REAL GM. Not a lapdog. They’ve had some pretty good 1st round picks, but those are the easy ones. The fact that we haven’t had a drafted O-lineman contribute since Dockery is pathetic. Our mid round picks are crapshoots every year. That’s the meat of the draft, where you find the guys who are gonna contribute for years, either as starters or competent back ups. They seem to think they can fill their needs with undrafted rookie FA. Meanwhile, the best teams stockpile talent through the draft every year.

I actually feel sorry for Zorn. Let’s be honest, his chances of making it here long term are slim. But if he gets fired, it won’t be his fault. Not entirely. He’s force-fed a roster of players put together by an amateur front office, from Vinny all the way down to the scouts. His only chance is to make lemonade NOW and up his credibility (and personnel knowledge) so that he can have a bigger hand on player moves.

by CJHutch on Aug 16, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also of note from FO:

According to game charting (ie actually watching each play, not just going by the generic NFL box scores), JC was one of the most accurate QBs in the league.

Also the Redskins receivers led the league in drops. Both Moss and ARE were in the top 20.

For the past umpteen years our WRs suuuuuucked.

by smutsboy1 on Aug 17, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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