Open Thread: Redskins @ Ravens
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 2:00 PM EDT
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Continung the fun from last year, we'll be live commenting from this thread for tonight's action just before game-time. OverlordMarshall, I sincerely hope you can make this chat thread (no censorship)...it will make for a good time.
Game Time: 7:30PM EST
TV: NBC-4/Comcast HD (Mike Patrick, Joe Theismann, Kelli Johnson, and Lindsay Czarniak)
Radio: ESPN Radio WTEM 980 AM (full radio list) - Larry Michael, Sonny Jurgensen, Sam Huff, and Doc Walker (sidelines)
Thoughts:
This is the perfect game for the Redskins to have a pre-season game against. They'll face a tier-1 defense for a few series, and the Skins defense will get to see multiple types of QBs: Flacco (strong QB with size) and Troy Smith (small QB with lots of quickness and mobility). Flacco has struggled in camp thus far with accuracy, and he won't be getting much help since the WRs he is throwing to are mostly inexperienced: Demetrius Williams, Marcus Smith, Kelley Washington, Yamon Figurs, Eron Riley, Thomas White, Biren Ealy, Justin Harper, and Ernie Wheelwright.
I predict a sloppy game for the Ravens offense with some ferocious hits from the Skins defense, specifically Kareem Moore. Jeremy Jarmon I also expect will stand out with a sack or two. As for the Redskins offensive line, I expect to laugh a few times tonight. They're still a work in progress and now they will be facing players they haven't seen before. Add in the crowd noise and that puts the false starts over/under at 3.5.
A win tonight is zero injuries.
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wrong, think about your team after tonight’s performance.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
it's pre-season dude...
doesn’t mean squat. Open the windows in your trailer when you’re painting the walls…especially in this heat. Fumes can be vicious.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 14, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trailer?
Lol. I live on a golf course at home and an apartment at school. If you are basing that off my picture and the trailer in the background, I was on a fishing trip and that is right next to the dock.
Trailer, lol. You are too funny.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
i was just playing
at the Ravens game last year I must have screamed “go back to Dundalk” at least 15×...that and “it must be convenient that you can drive your house to the games.”
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 14, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Now Dundalk
That is the largest trailer park in the world for sure. How do they say it, “Dundock”?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Cool Big W for the Ravens!
I just think you are in for a rough year. You have no offensive weapons that scare anyone and I don’t think your defense is going to be as good as it usually is.
I think it would of been a different story tonight if A) it was regular season and B) we had played Portis, Haynesworth, Rogers (Remember those guys?)
Yup
We have no offensive weapons. Just 3 RB’s that got us to the 4th best rushing attack in the league last year. We also have the same group of WR that has taken us to 13-3 and 11-5 with an appearence in the AFCC last year.
No weapons, you are 100% right mr Randel el. Lol, talk about not weapons, look at your group!
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I wanted to bring this up in a previous post but I was a little late to the game...
Does anyone think picking Orakpo over Michael Oher was a mistake? I love the kid and I have no doubt he’ll this season and for many seasons to come but doesn’t the offensive line have more positional value in a draft than an outside linebacker? If anything I would have loved to see them trade into the late teens and pick up both players but I guess they wanted to leave their options open for next year in case JC doesn’t play as expected. I’m also convinced that Shawne Merriman will be a redskins next year without a salary cap so that makes me wish we had bolstered the o-line more this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
I think adding someone like Orakpo to take advantage of Haynesworth being double teamed was mandatory. I like Carter, but he is 30 now so he could be slowing down. I don’t see anyone else that will supply a sick pass rush without drafting him. As for our RT issue, I suspect they will sign someone to compete for the job or supply some depth. Levi Jones is out there.
I don't agree with any of it.
Orakpo was considered top 5 talent in the draft. He’s a monster with a full trophy case to prove it.
No way were both players going to be there in the late teens.
Shawne’s not going anywhere; he’s a fan favorite, brings in revenue, and is the key producer in their defense.
I do think
Merriman will end up back in San Diego. But if it comes down to him or Rivers, Shawne is out. And why does everyone think Orakpo will stay at LB? As I said in another post, I heard an interview with Blache yesterday where he said Orakpo needs to learn how to play the run in the NFC East before he lines up at DE full time. I think they’re putting him at SLB just to make sure he gets on the field, while staying with Blache’s mandate of stopping the run first and foremost.
As for Oher, he is playing RT for Baltimore. And that’s where a lot of people had him projected. He may have been a good pick up at 13 if BO wasn’t there, but we got a top 5 talent and probably the best pass rusher in the draft at 13. I would have been sick to my stomach if we had passed that up.
funny
Shawne’s not going anywhere; he’s a fan favorite, brings in revenue, and is the key producer in their defense.
You could have made the same statement about Lavar before we dumped him.
I think a lot of people forget that he hasn’t played in a year. No one really knows how good he is going to be.
However
We do know that the Chargers D took a serious step back last season. They NEED Merriman.
RAK EM UP!
RT and DE were both positions of great need
Orapko might be getting reps at OLB now but he was the best 4-3 DE in the draft and nothing has happened since traning camp to change that. Would I have burnt all my skins jerseys if they drafted Oher? Heck no, but I don’t think we should question the FO when they are finally realizing they need to stockpile young talent on both lines. In my mind it’s arguable that DE was an even bigger position of need than RT just cuz we’re relying on Carter(not much of a threat most of his skins career), Daniels( who is always hurt), and Wynn(who isn’t much). I wouldn’t argue it that hard but I’m just glad we are focusing on the line and I don’t think Haynesworth would be as effective without good players around him. Plus in my mind there are guys like Oher and Joe Staley available at the end of the first round every year but not guys like Orapko.
by BayAreaBullet on Aug 13, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
FOOOOOOTBALLLL
It’s like that first cigarette in the morning. Ahhhhh.
Can anyone point a west coast Skins fan in the right direction to watch the game tonight online?
Find a bar with directTv that has the NFL ticket
I’m pretty sure it carries all the pre-season games too. I’d call ahead and make sure.
I have the ticket
Preseason isn’t broadcast.
by ReggieBullits on Aug 13, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If a bar has DirecTV/satellite
They should have an east coast Comcast feed, right? It is worth a call to a sports bar in your hood. I know Comcast has some rights but not sure about broadcasting live nationally.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily
DirecTV does offer regional sports channel packages but they’re separate from the Sunday Ticket so there’s no relationship between the two. Definitely worth a call.
I’m getting giddy over here. Redskins football AND a reason to drink beers at 4:30 (pacific). Excellent.
by ReggieBullits on Aug 13, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
bar
Not sure where in CA you are, but if you’re near Venice beach, there is a Redskin’s bar. Go to Joxer Daly. Its near the intersection of Washington and Venice. Some cool dudes there too.
Good to know
I’m in Huntington but might cruise up there some Sunday. Thanks.
by ReggieBullits on Aug 13, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Kelli Johnson once again looks like she raided Blossom's closet for her wardrobe.
Seriously…it’s like she doesn’t even want someone to find her hot enough to take a secret video of her changing in her hotel room.
I know I read about it somewhere...
But can someone please explain to me why Comcast got the HD rights? NBC HD channel is not in HD. I love how everything is for sale.
Hogs Haven has exclusive rights to Kelli Johnson coverage. Stay tuned for analysis on her wardrobe changes and the suggestive way she holds the microphone when she interviews some players.
Kelli or Lindsay?
Right now, Lindsay is in the lead. But they have figured out a way to make them look 98% the same.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Theisman or Mike Patrick
You are on a desert island. Which one are you going with?
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
JC looked good.
I’m not worried about some of the throws being a little off. It is the first action of the season and at least he made good reads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
yep
Did the Nationals make these jerseys?
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah....no Rogers
Would like to see Barnes sooner rather than later, right?
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They didn't show the pick
It was an ugly bomb to Randy Moss that went right into the hands of Shelden brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Can someone tell me
why did we draft a 5 "9 corner?
he was the fastest guy in the draft that year
by BayAreaBullet on Aug 13, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Very much so
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Aug 13, 2009 8:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is a slaughter
Flacco is Michael Vick and Tryon is a pitbull
University of Delaware is a football powerhouse!!
by BayAreaBullet on Aug 13, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll be a lot more exciting when Colt throws 3 pick 6's
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude...
don’t put that out into the universe. My boy Colt is gonna stir sh!t up by driving for a TD
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I have predicted he gets cut.
But when we signed him we did not have Jarmon or Orakpo.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope Devin and malcholm play lots
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Aug 13, 2009 8:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Collins
Is gonna lose his backup job to Colt
please no.
I couldn’t stand listening to all the Colt homers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
don't worry hibachi
JC has to be injured for Colt to take his job this year
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
thats a good point
Mike Williams looked good on that last play. Hagans now has 2 drops.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Live in pa game blocked on dc comcast
Stuck watching it on masn2 ravens crew. Yuck.
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Aug 13, 2009 8:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Earlier today
Who was the that fat prick that dissed colt on the pre-game show?
Oh boy. Dorsey isn't the answer to our returning woes.
Why does this team remind me so much of last years?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Why are they blaming that on Malcolm Kelly?
It’s more Todd’s fault than Kelly’s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
nevermind
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4397938
not many details.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
No kidding.
Glad to see the guy got another chance. Not glad to see him in our division.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
I Wont be suprised
if colt comes in and saves the day like last year.
Correction
Orakpo is getting into the backfield AND HELD on almost every passing play
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Edelman
A 7th rounder, Wes Welker type receiver is really impressive in the Patriots game. He’s returned a punt for a TD too.
Fred "ButterFingers" Davis
New nickname for the guy… two fumbles in one series. That’s not good. I guess he’s gotten more catches this series than he got last season…..
midle of the field is WIDE open every play
what are the LBs doing?
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I asked Todd Yoder if we was like Ware...
and Todd said “no”…Ware is bigger…but that Orakpo is a beast. crazy first step…which we’re seeing.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Comparing a 3-4 OLB and a 4-3 DE is problematic anyways. Love Orakpo!
by BayAreaBullet on Aug 13, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
come on dude
Who was getting that kind of pressure last year? He made the play.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
When the QB is in your arms....
You don’t let him have the CHANCE to throw the ball away.
TD…. someone blew that coverage…. looks like Barnes.
Do any of you guys remember
That guy who caught a pick 6 in last years HOF game? Whats his name.It looks like we really need him
So much for both the D and the O
I at least thought it should be a 0-0 game…. WTH?
No D, and the O is …. pitiful
If Colt throws a touchdown...
I might shutdown Hogs Haven tomorrow to avoid the 27 fan posts named "Start Colt Now!!’
++
Hey, just because I want Sacks from Orakpo doesn’t mean that he’s not playing well…. these two are bright spots. But Kelly needs that first NFL TD.
Oh, and where the heck is Devin Thomas?
WHAT THE HECK kind of coverage was that on the kickoff?
Oh, holding…. never mind
haha
you did it!
I’m looking forward to the “Trade for Vick” posts.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick Lindsay update
I don’t they could film her at a worse angle. Kelli must be slipping her cameraman a 20 spot.
Haha wtf?
First he says Troy Smith needs to stay in the pocket then he says he likes how he moves around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
This
Is some dull commentary.I want Larry and Sonny
It depends on the possession like they said
I think he had it looking at it a second time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
wow...you beat me to it!
was just writing that
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
sugar
Jim wants to know what positive spin you can put on this game so far.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ethan Albright
looks like he is in mid-season form
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 13, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Playing with depth.
So don’t look too much into it. The plus is that two “on-the-fence” starters, in Kelly and Orakpo, shined.
Just remember...
The detroit lions went 4-0 last year in the preseason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Yeah that was unbelievable
at least we’re in the wc though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
At least
Colt and Chase will make this game less boring
I wish
Coach Danny Smith said there was no chance, unfotunately
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea...
Our boy is not having a good camp…and that was real bad
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone notice?
That Michael Vick signed with the eagles for two years? I don’t know if anyone else already posted this or not but if someone did then ignore this.
it's been on the espn ticker multiple times
and they’ve shown Vick praciticng with what looks like 12 year olds
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, no pob
we linked that above. I’m curious to know for how much. Prob the minimum.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks colt
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
He can't talk to Shanahan right now he's on the phone with Phillip Rivers
It’s never too early to start tampering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
If you're in prison for two years.
You have nothing to do other than work out. I don’t see a big dropoff in Vick’s athletic ability.
Peyton Manning
said that Vick won’t be able to jump right back in. He’ll be like a rookie again. Getting use to the speed of the game, taking hits, etc.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I’m sure running away from the Shawshank rapists is a good work out, but it’s probably nothing like an NFL game.
He still has 4 seasons worth of experience.
Running against the nfl. This is like an extra-long, workout-focused, off season for him.
I can't watch the game
but looking online… Is Marcus Mason playing some defense? Because he’s got two tackles… Explanation? Position? Or, should I just say… HUH?
Constant passenger of the Jason Campbell Bandwagon since 2007. Keep on driving, brother.
Not so sure
I’m watching the NFL gamecast… First of all, I’m almost positive that those tackle stats are only defensive tackles. Second, on that Beck deep pass that got called back for holding, Mason was the tackler on the play… Like I said, I can’t watch it here in New Orleans… But it seems to me that they’re putting him in on D. Probably not a big deal though.
Constant passenger of the Jason Campbell Bandwagon since 2007. Keep on driving, brother.
Oh OK
So, on to my next question. Who the f is Doug Dutch? Never mind. Don’t answer that. I don’t care.
Constant passenger of the Jason Campbell Bandwagon since 2007. Keep on driving, brother.
Here's the link
2-19-BAL 38 (:15) 12-J.Beck pass deep right to 14-J.Harper to WAS 39 for 23 yards (24-M.Mason). PENALTY on BAL-72-B.Mattison, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at BAL 38 – No Play.
Constant passenger of the Jason Campbell Bandwagon since 2007. Keep on driving, brother.
Whats worser?
Joe Theisman’s commentary or the redskins defense?
Theismann
He is not even CLOSE to being objective. Another Snyder homer.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What is the draw?
It’s preseason. Throw it and see waht they can do…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
he was REALLY slow off the ball there
worked out tho
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
When John Beck outperforms you, you know it’s been a bad night… By the way, I couldn’t remember if his name was Josh or John. I went to look it up on Google and it doesn’t come up as one of the suggestions lol. That guy became obscure VERY quickly.
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
You could say that about any Redskins quarterback with the line we’ve got right now… I really hope they get better before the year starts.
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
Got some real ugly cheerleaders this year
or real pretty O-Linemen… Either way, I feel a little queasy.
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
Don't drink enough to ask one of those OL/Cheerleaders out
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
Thats it
This is a freckkin snoozefest im outta here
That guy just wouldn't let himself get cut
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
I used to call him "Big Play" Jimoh...
Cuz everytime they mentioned his name he was giving up a big play or getting a PI call. Good on teams though.
by BayAreaBullet on Aug 14, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
amazing that ALL game we could not get in FG position ... ONCE
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
New kicking battle
Play some South Park-style rochambeau. Kick each other in the nuts over and over again. First one to fall down loses.
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
for all of the offensive woes
still not good seeing each Raven QB put up a 100 yards on us in the air.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
That's just a joke, right?
The day a punter starts making trade demands is the day I call the Players’ Union myself
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
Good... Although I could see it now
A punter for a bad team calls his agent after game 6 of the regular season:
“But Jimmy, I have to punt soooo much!! Do they think I’m some kind of machine? I think I had to punt the ball nine times yesterday! And they made me hold for a field goal once. Why can’t they get me a backup? The quarterback has a backup, and I’m like the quarterback of special teams, right? … Right? Jimmy, answer me!!”
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
HS
Hunter: “I’m not making league minimum to kick 11 punts a game. Get me outta here.”
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah if they overwork him he might only be able to kick till he’s 42 instead of 44.
by BayAreaBullet on Aug 14, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
True but...
Right, but why do all the teams that are actually good look like it in preseason. Somehow the Ravens could at least get out of their own way and look fairly good even with their backups – I guess that is what depth looks like. Its just hard to get happy after that display. Very very few bright spots.
Listening to the interviews with Blache, it seemed like he wasn’t calling plays or making assignments to win a game, he was doing it to test his young players.
I don’t think he’d put Tryon one-on-one so many times in a row during a normal game (ever at this point) after he got burned so many times. Same with Barnes.
I’m not happy with it at all, I think that our depth right now is filler or extreme raw talent that needs experience. The Redskins called the game like an experiment, the Ravens played it like a team trying move the ball.
I’m not going to get worried unless they look like this a game or two into the season…It would be nice to see some polish before the season starts, for sure, but I’m going to temper my preseason expectations with an understanding that this is still the preseason.
Well that was lovely.
Oh well isn’t there an adage about ignoring the first and last preseason games?
I'm off to go get bombed at Lucky bar now...
I’m going to try to make it to camp tomorrow.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 13, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this statement guys
I predict a sloppy game for the Ravens offense with some ferocious hits from the Skins defense
You were so close to holding us under 500 total yards and you were so close to getting 200 total yards. Maybe next year….
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
First off
I never predicted anything for the Skins offense…so the 200 yards comment doesn’t apply. The Skins defense actually did lay some nice hits…and if it wasnt for the 15 blatant holds the Ravens offense commited (half of which were called), who knows what would have happened. I’m not saying the refs were a factor in the loss…I’m just saying they completely sucked over all. Receivers were catching balls with one foot out of bounds, missed calls…pathetic refeering on both sides.
As for the Ravens offense, the Skins D held them to field goals the early part of the game…Troy Smith played A LOT more than I thought he would. Beck still threw for over 100 yards, was embarrassing in itself.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 14, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
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