Redskins' Offensive Line Not Impressing Out of the Gates
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 31, 2009 9:42 AM EDT
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Here is a summary of all the reports from the reporters/bloggers that were at camp yesterday. I will be attending camp on Tuesday and possibly tomorrow (Saturday), so I should be able to add some concrete insight as well. Obviously things will not be perfect on day one.
From the warpathconfidential:
Stephon Heyer was badly beaten by rookie Jeremy Jarmon on one snap and had to resort to grabbing Jarmon's jersey to prevent a complete whiff on the block. Nor was it limited to the tackles, with Albert Haynesworth displaying deceptive quickness against Derrick Dockery in getting penetration on a few plays.
At one point the line had back-to-back false starts.
Probably the most spectacular play of this drill was a double-move by Malcolm Kelly on Justin Tryon. Kelly was running a crossing pattern when he cut once towards the post, and then cut again to run towards the middle, leaving Tryon 10-15 yards out of position. Kelly caught the pass all alone in the middle of the field.
From the Redskins Insider:
[Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges] encountered problems against ends Renaldo Wynn and Rob Jackson, but Coach Jim Zorn said he was not discouraged. The Skins have a long way to go before things need to be set along the offensive line, and Zorn preaches patience.
"It's hard to block that second move" of the ends, Zorn said. "You think you got 'em, then you start to punch, and then the guy comes back underneath. That's what we're working on. That's why we're out here. There's a lot of practice time that has to take place before these guys can get enough experiences to feel like we can block all the moves that our defense is going to show us."
"There's going to be a learning curve," Zorn said. "It's going to take some time, [but] he's got a great attitude for it."
As for Bridges, "we're looking for a guy who can play multiple positions," Zorn said. "I'm looking for him to keep going. He wants to earn a starting spot. So, playing him in different spots, we're going to find that right spot for him. And whether he starts or becomes a swing guy, that's down the road a ways."
It's only day one, so obviously there's no need to throw up the red flags. However, it takes some kool-aid drinking and a few prayers to assume that offensive linemen that have been out of the league a couple years can contribute at a high-level when pre-season begins in 2 weeks. Can they be ready in a month? Time will tell, but they are practicing against one of the best DL's in the league. That certainly counts for something.
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There has been no mention of Chad Rinehart anywhere yet...
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 31, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to camp tomo
I’ll get the skinny
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 31, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
That first block quote
could either be terrible for Dockery, Heyer, and Tryon, or fantastic for Haynesworth, Jarmon, and Kelly. I’m thinking it’s mostly the latter, although I don’t have much faith in Tryon. The second quote, though, is just embarrassing for the O-Line. It’s 2009; no one should be getting beaten by Wynn anymore (sorry). And Jackson is, at best, a situational defensive player right now.
Constant passenger of the Jason Campbell Bandwagon since 2007. Keep on driving, brother.
actually
what I took most out of it was Jarmon beating Heyer. Heyer SHOULD BE the most ready of the tackles. The fact that Jarmon beat him means he at least belongs. Not that I didn’t think so already, just helps. Especially since Zorn said he didn’t expect anything out of Jarmon this year. As for Heyer, I personally think we’d be better off if Williams beat him out. And I have a feeling the coaching staff feels the same way.
Panic Mode!?
Your first real thread about traing camp is about how crummy your offensive of line is. That my friend is panic mode. LOL!!! I mean that is really funny. People in glass houses really shouldnt throw rocks.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
geez, read the entire story if you're gonna comment
It’s only day one, so obviously there’s no need to throw up the red flags.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I whole heartily agree. My point was the exact you were making. Your fans are every bit as dumb as ours.
You commented on our 3rd practice (2nd day) on a very loud but small minority. I’m with you, the real anwsers wont come til Sept. If your Dline lives up to their potential your Oline might not ever look good in camp..
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
No way
Dallas fans is a lots dumber then uz.
Seriously though, how can you say
I’m with you, the real anwsers wont come til Sept
then buy into the hype of preseason predictions, where Dallas is picked to win the Superbowl every other year. Now, I’m not saying YOU in particular. I’m generalizing. I run into Cowboy fans all over the place who think Peter King is the 2nd coming of Nostradamus.
Im not buying any hype. My feelings are based on what I read and see and not emotion.
Dallas has talent, a top notch DC, sack leading D, a top 10 possibly top 5 QB, 3 very very good RBs, a group of CBs that might be the best in the NFC by the end of the year. We have what will prove to be the best TEs in the league and maybe the #1 and 2 TE in the league. The best all round defensive player in the league.(Ware) A walking home run in Felix.
If you look though the hype, Jessica, Romo cant win in Dec., Jerry Jones, ect…. You will see we led the league injuries and a special teams unit that was in the bottom 1/10 in the league. Health and improved special teams and we could have easliy won 2 more games last year.
Im sure you can quote a Dallas newspaper bashing us and you might think Im an over the top fan but dig deeper and watch this year. If we stay healthy we have a chance.
By the way I have read more than I will care to admit but I have not seen anything that puts us higher than 3rd in the NFC east. Not even King.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
I'm not
talking about this year. I’m talking about every year. Last year they were picked to win the SuperBowl by some outlets. And I’m not JUST talking about the Cowboys. What I’m saying is I hear Cowboy fans buy into the preseason predictions on the Redskins as well.
Now, as for your post. I don’t know what “top notch DC” you have, but your head coach is a joke. Romo top 5? Not at all. He MAY be top 10, but I think he’s gonna be a lot less successful without T.O. Yes you have 3 good RB’s. That I can’t dispute. As long as Jones comes back 100%. As for your tight ends, I’m not sure about your meaning there. Are you saying you have the top TWO tight ends in the league? I hope you’re kidding. Witten is top 5, but that’s it.
The Jessica stuff is funny, and Romo asks for it by putting his face out there. Until he wins ine December, that point is valid. Jerry Jones deserves his rep as much as Snyder does. Take that for what you will. I don’t care about health – every team deals with it, every year. “Improved special teams play” would come from improved coaching.
I cant do nothing about preseason predictions.
These guys who make all of these take last years standings and then regurgitate them. We were 13-3 two years ago so they put us top last year. Philly went to the NFC championship last year so they put them on top this year. You guys bitch we get too much positive press and all we do is bitch about the negative press. Its funny you only hear what bothers you.
Im still out to lunch on Wade. He is a great DC and will be handling the D full time. As a head coach he took ove the Bills after their 4 SB loses. He took them over at the end of a dynasty(Kinda, 4 SB appearances) they were old. Took over Denver after they got old. Thats not a fair evaluation to take over a team getting old fast but not quite rebuilding. This is his make or break year. He is seasoned and has talent. we will see.
Witten is a top 3. Take off your homer goggles and look at the facts. Bennett will be the second best TE in the Division by the end of season. The dude is good and getting better fast. We will be running a bunch of 2TE sets. He is a matchup nightmare. 6’6" 265 and fast. Played power forward in college just like Gates and Gonzales. Was gonna enter the NBA draft after HS but word is he wasnt guaranteed a 1st round selection. Im giving you inside scoop for your fantasy league.
Romo is only started 2.5 years. Every QB outside of Brady has growing pains, its just part of the learning curve. Im going off of memory but Romo had more yards and TDs then any body else in the NFC east and missed 3 games. He will put it together in Dec and Jan before he is done playing.
By the way with the coaches you have had I dont know if you guys are in a position to call anyone a joke. Even Gibbs, who I love, was a shell of himself.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
You MUST be blogging in Amsterdam right now
Always remember…. puff puff give.
I read somewhere up there about Romo being top 5!?! Hahaha, seriously?! Take a look at this list and then tell me Romo is top 5:
- Tom Brady
- Drew Brees
- Peyton Manning
- Phillip Rivers
- Aaron Rodgers
- Donovan McNabb
- Kurt Warner
- Jay Cutler
- Carson Palmer
- Ben Roethlisberger
Do I really need to go on? Clearly, you can see that without T.O., your boy is lucky to be in the top 15. None of the WRs on your current roster even matched Randle El’s production last season. Pathetic. With all of the attention T.O. had last year, they should have been lighting it up! Instead, your TE was your #2. And this year, Jason Witten will be your #1 receiver.
If Witten is a top 3 TE, then Chris Cooley is a top 4 or 5. There is very little disparity between the two. The biggest difference is Witten being a better blocker.
Bennett will be the second best TE in the Division by the end of season.Hahaha. Only if Cooley is #1. Why don’t we hold off a little before crowning Bennett as the 2nd Coming of Kellen Winslow Sr.? And keep an eye on our young, athletic TE Fred Davis this season. We will be running a ton of 2-TE sets also. You know, inside scoop for your fantasy team…
Joe Gibbs lead us to the playoffs 2 out of the 4 seasons he was here. And he did something no Cowterd coach has done in over a decade… WON a playoff game!!
RAK EM UP!
I would only take Brees, Brady, Manning, Roeth(based solely on 2 SB wins) and maybe Warner (but he is old)
over Romo.
I dont like Phillips. Palmer was a stud but has struggled since his Knee. I like him but I want to see another good year out him 1st. Donovan was ranked 15th last year and I feel most of Phillys success was from their D. I dont like Cutler or Rodgers. Romo finished 8th in QBing last year and we struggled with injuries and no running game. He can play and has won loss of 27 and 12.
Cooley is 2nd best and I like him a great deal. Would take him on our team in a second. I just think him or Witten are no where as physically talented as Bennett is. He has a great work ethic and listens to Witten. He is to fast for LBs and too big for Safeties. As a fan, you want to know your talented guys work as hard as your over achievers, this seems to be the case. He beat you guys with the winning catch last year, get used to it.
I expect a little more than that from a hall of fame coach, so should you.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
I dont like Phillips
I don’t like Wade Phillips either. At least we can finally agree on something.
I expect a little more than that from a hall of fame coach, so should you.
What Gibbs did in his last season, after 21 was murdered, was one of his finest hours. Winning out the last 4 games of the regular season, with a backup QB who hadn’t played in 10 years (after losing our best defensive player), and nearly going to the NFC Championship was a prime example of why Gibbs in in the HOF. My only disappointment was that he couldn’t finish the last season of his contract (grandkid’s leukemia). Then we could have probably transitioned from Gibbs right into another proven HC in Shanahan or Holmgren this season. Nevertheless, Zorn still looks more promising than this guy…
“NO tackling at Camp Marshmallow or you can get your ass out of here!”
RAK EM UP!
I didnt know about the leukemia and thats a shame.
Their are some guys that regardless of who they play/coach for you admire. Gibbs was one of those guys for me. Im thankful Snyder was the owner or Gibbs might have one another.
I think we will get the final verdict on Phillips this year. What gets overlooked is in his first 2 stops he probably shouldnt have even made the playoffs.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
As far as Fred Davis goes I have seen or heard his name anywhere.
Nobody who has been to Cowboy camp goes away without mentioning Bennett. This guy really looks like a player. I just hope Im not jinxing him by mentioning him so much.(Im superstitious about football)
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
Then consider yourself forewarned
Because you will see and hear his name at least twice a year from now on.
RAK EM UP!
Maybe so but will it be for something other than a penalty.
I read about your practices and I havent seen his name. I have been hearing about your Sophmore WRs. Incedently I think they will turn out to be pretty good. I wanted both of them coming out in the draft. ByDawk can tout his WRs all he wants but that kid from Michigan state has much better tools. He can be a true number 1 cause he has the size and speed to do it all. If Kelly is fully healed and he is faster than timed 40s he had coming out he should be good.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
Oh boy
you want me to “take off my blind homerism glasses”, then you tell me a TE who has done NOTHING is going to be better than Cooley by the end of the year? Do you often run into walls with those blue glasses on? Witten is good, MAYBE a smidge better than Cooley. MAYBE. First you have to see how he does without T.O.
As for coaches, I didn’t say we had any winners either. Gibbs did turn us around after the Spurrier debacle. The book is still out on Zorn. It remains to be seen whether he will turn out to be a good coach. The book that HAS been written is Wade Phillips. He ain’t half the man his father was. The guy hadn’t lasted 3 years before Dallas. The only reason Jerry hired him was because he wanted someone to control after Parcells took his toys away. It’s the exact same thing Danny did with Spurrier, after he fired Marty. Philips isn’t getting another head coaching gig, so he’s gonna nod and say ‘Yes sir’, to anything ole Jerry says.
Im talking as a fan of another team telling you what I think and feel.
Telling you why Im excited about the up coming year. I think by the end of Bennetts second year he will have progressed enough to be that good.
Smidge my ass. Witten is listed as either 1,2,3 in every book Ive read and Cooley is 5-8. That isnt a smidge.
I cant argue against Wades HCs record. I just have a feeling he is due. He is a great DC and has shown that every where he has been. I think this is the 1st place he had a team he could win with. I think he is in the right place for his skill set. Im hoping its a case of the right place at the right time.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
Yeah maybe, but I cant give too much ground to a Redskin. It pains me to say he is good. I think Witten is a 2 and maybe a 1. I think he is a better blocker than all of them.
Gonzales may have a great year being in an offense with a good WR and a stout running game. Gates needs to stay healthy all year. With the age of one and the health of the other thats a tall order to fill.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
last years stats
bq. Tight End
Statistics
Rk Player Team Pos Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD
1 Tony Gonzalez KC TE 96 1,058 11.0 66.1 35 10
2 Jason Witten DAL TE 81 952 11.8 59.5 42 4
3 Owen Daniels HOU TE 70 862 12.3 53.9 35 2
4 Chris Cooley WAS TE 83 849 10.2 53.1 28 1
damn
posted too early.
Anyway, this tells me Witten is A SMIDGE better than Cooley. and as far as Cooley being “5-8”, this goes back to what I was saying before about us getting constantly overlooked. Cooley has been to the last two Pro Bowls. Last I checked they only let 4 tight ends in the Pro Bowl. Ranking him 8th is a joke. Whatever publication you’re reading that tells you Cooley is the 8th best TE in the league sure saw you coming.
wtf
Whats wrong pansies? The only way to truly excel and win is to fail first. anyone who has won anything will tell you at some point they failed before they won. and especially when speaking of a group of people doing anything together, they must fail together to triumph together. and listening to the “try-too-hard velveeta cheesy douche bag” frank hanrahan thalk shit about our ol, has made me enraged. listen, bytches stop sucking the media’s dick. and for theo.c.d.-a.d.d. redskins fans, spit, do not swallow. dont believe the hype nipple that they want you to suckle upon. The OL will be fine.
by TheOverLordMarshl on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
What are you even talking about?
Constant passenger of the Jason Campbell Bandwagon since 2007. Keep on driving, brother.
paraphrasing
don’t worry about the o-line. they go through the hard knocks together, they’ll succeed together. it just takes a little time, and day two in training camp just isn’t enough time yet. they just need to build chemistry.
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
i wouldn't want it any other way
i wouldn’t want to hear how are oline completely handled our d because after all we know where the oline is (near the bottom) and the dline is (near the top). if the o-line can use the practice against the d-line to become an average o-line I’ll be happy.
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