3 Training Camp Events Which Put the Dallas Cowboys’ Fanbase in Panic Mode
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 9:50 AM EDT
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The Cowboys have only had ONE day of training camp, yet fans and media have already slammed the panic button. I'll let the Cowboys' blogger do all the talking:
1.) No physical contact in training camp
"We're gonna tackle in the preseason games," said [Wade] Phillips with a straight face. "There's no reason to tackle our own guys. You're more susceptible to injury when you go live."
I thought for sure the Cowboys would show up to camp and get mean and physical. How can you evaluate a player when they can't tackle and hit? Injuries are a part of the game. I think it's more dangerous when you play or practice so as not to get hurt.
2.) Their fearless leader, Tony Romo, is in hiding
"Tony Romo decided not to talk on Day 1 of training camp. Does that bother anyone? I can't recall the starting quarterback ever blowing off the media on the first day...Our leader decides that the best way to usher in a new season is to duck for cover and hide in the locker room while reporters are roaming the ground looking for some words of encouragement for the new season."
3.) Players don't have to be on the field
Something I thought was weird from today's workout, at the beginning it was odd to see several of the Cowboys veterans who aren't involved in the kicking game stay in the locker room until midway through the special-teams portion of practice, after most of the team had already stretched.
Marion Barber chatted with coaches during the opening field goal drills, and Tony Romo, Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton came out later on, and joined the team for a second period of stretching. Strange as it sounds for the acknowledged leader (Romo) to have a different arrival time than most of his teammates, that apparently is how the Cowboys are going to roll.
Now forgive me if I'm wrong, but on day one of training camp doesn't everyone show up at the same time and get some sort of a rallying speech from the head coach, then the defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator and finally a few words from our quarterback?
Yikes. I am I the only one laughing right now? There is nothing better than seeing your biggest rival implode.
I hopped over to the Cowboys official blog to see how they are treating the situation, and they're sugar-coating it, but the hand is creeping toward the panic button:
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Regarding No Tackling:
"It's got to be physical and it's got to be violent until you get to the tackle," Phillips said.
As was the case the first two camps under Wade Phillips' watch, there won't be much tackling. He'd change his mind about his no-tackling policy during camp if he didn't think his team was tough enough...You folks be nice and don't bring up the Texas Stadium finale in the comments section.
Regarding Romo/Williams:
It's way too early to push the panic button regarding Tony Romo's chemistry with coachable WR Roy Williams, but the duo didn't do anything to rave about during the opening practice of training camp. The only live action of the day was a 7-on-7 session in which Romo didn't throw the ball Williams' way. When they were running routes vs. air, Romo was off-target on a few balls to Williams.
We took that month off, so we've got to shake the cobwebs off and get back on track," Williams said. "But today was a good day. It's going to get better."
Some of the Cowboys' fans comments sum it up better than I ever could:
"Wade Phillips is such a joke...It pisses me off that this team will not be tackling. This team was horrible at tackling last year.....especially the end of last year."
"Coach Landry is crying in heaven for the travesty that has beset the team he built."
"Worried about injuries? How'd the philosophy work out last year for you?? Guess what, injuries happen, better that than to completely embarrass yourselves with weak-willed, weak-hearted play with the season on the line. Where do you think the genesis for that style of play comes from? That's right, right now."
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They don’t even give Romo a red jersey for training camp, instead they just wrap him up in bubble wrap.
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have lost a lot of respect for the Cowboys since Bill Parcells left. Wade Phillips just seems like a buffoon. There is nothing nasty or blue-collared left in them. I would not be surprised if they put on clean uniforms at halftime.
by liger99 on Jul 30, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I lost a ton of respect for the Cowboys when Parcells was there.
People romanticize the effect he had on the team. Sure they improved over the 5-11 records they liked to post, but the defense was soft and applied very little pressure, there were few turnovers, the running game was mostly in shambles and Parcells broke whatever was special about Julius Jones, their were bonehead penalities up and down a game, and our QB play before Romo took over was suspect at best (Bledsoe holding the ball for an hour and then getting sacked).
And don’t forget about the lay down game agains the Saints on Monday Night. I love the Cowboys, but just because Parcells helped to fill the cupboard doesn’t mean that he coached ’em up.
by jdramirez on Jul 30, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RB's
I hadn’t heard this before but they’re calling their RB trio ’Tash, Dash, and Smash. I mean…frickin win something first. What are their training camp drills consist of? Handing the ball off to each other in Globetrotters-like maneuvers?
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
The Bears freaking filmed the Super Bowl Shuffel before winning their first and only SB. Last year the Titans backs had some nickname like Smash and Dash. This happens, people get bored.
My problem with it, is that it not that interesting. I liked the Hogs, where it refers to a group, and if Choice goes down or is cut, there goes the nick-name. Where are the Doomsday defense, purple people eaters, and Steel Curtain of the past? Are people less creative now?
by jdramirez on Jul 30, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicknames
How many “Thunder & Lightnings” have been there? I agree..nicknames are pretty weak these days. It was easier w/ one feature guy…hence, “The Nigerian Nightmare.”
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
I miss the days of “Ironhead” Craig Heyward, “Sweetness,” and of course… everyone’s favorite felon – “The Juice!”
Now you have “Earth, Wind and Fire.” How gay was that, by the way?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep calling JC “The Second Coming” but it still hasn’t caught on in the national media scene.
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took me a second to realize why that was funny (his initials being JC).
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That, mainly, but he has the same # as Doug Williams
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It works on a number of levels
and that’s why I love it.
by smutsboy1 on Jul 30, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a good one,
but HE HAS TO BE REALLY GOOD TO LIVE UP TO IT.
by jdramirez on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that is a MFin’ nickname. Even when TO tried to nickname Barber, Marion the Barbarian… that was something…
by jdramirez on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking News!!!
They’re working on a play where Tony Romo throws a bucket of water on the referee, the receivers start doing the Kid n Play dance, the running backs dry hump each other, and while all this confusion is going on, all the O Lineman huddle up and one of them puts the ball under their jersey. Then, they all run off in separate directions so the defense doesn’t know who to tackle.
Championship!
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Romo
I can already envision in a radio interview when the Cowgirls are 3-6 and Troy Aikman is hammering Romo about his work ethic….Romo replying with a Varsity Blues….“I don’t want…your liiife!”
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I totally forgot about that play. Classic.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was so bad it almost looked like a video game glitch.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?!? I don’t recognize that name.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's never good.
But he was a rookie last year, and he was a CB. Maybe he’s trying to be a modern day Deion Sanders… in one regard at least.
by jdramirez on Jul 30, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it’s OK to be a pussy if you’re a rookie?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFC EAST SUCKS....well almost
-Dallas Cowbytches are pillow biters as proven by their training camp procedures.
-Shytadelphia Iggles will be lost w/o Darth Sidious (r.i.p.) and Dawkins. Weak D.
-NY Midgets have a retard as a qb that cant wipe his own ass, and the offense will score less than wash ’08. DAMN BYTCHES. PIMP SLAPPED!
and then theres us. hope and talent. Just have to sit and wait.
by TheOverLordMarshl on Jul 30, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After reading that, my first thought was “This has to be a yahoo.com guy that just joined,” and sure enough…
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm guessing you don't condone his comments.
I think we can all agree that the NFC east is the most competitive division in all of football. On paper, the Skins appear to be the weakest in the division, but I actually think they will be competitive, more so than the Giants and Eagles.
by jdramirez on Jul 30, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
on paper the skins are the weakest?
please lets talk about that
the cowboys took steps back in the division with their offseason, everyone else made improvements
by travisjh86 on Jul 30, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
The Cowboys were riddled with injuries last year at key positions and questionable coaching. Hell, yall remember when they ran only 6 times against yall. What the hell was that about, and Jone was healthy then.
And I think the Eagles and the Giants are taking big steps backwards with the loss of their respective Defensive Coordinators, and Eli not having a #1 receiver, and every Eagle fan believing that Maclin will come in ready to be a #1. Please.
by jdramirez on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries happen to every team, but it’s not like they lost a bunch of guys for the season (Felix Jones being the lone example, I think). That’s why depth is so important. It’s no excuse.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kosier played 3 games, Holland played 1.5 games,
Newman missed a few after surgery but that was after playing hurt for4-6 games. Henry has actually breaking down for the last 2-3 years. Romo missed 3 games. Roy Williams (SS) missed 10+ games. Not to mention Flo’s shoulder was banged up, MBIIIs toe was in bad shape most of the year and cost him a couple of games.
Did I mentioned we lost our pro bowl Aussie punter for 2/3rds of the year.
We really were banged up for most of the year. Im not making excuses for last year, we didnt get it done but we had our share of bad luck.
Im obviously a Cowboy fan and I can tell you honestly Im stoked about this coming season. If you look past the fluff, the chicken littles(you know the sky is falling types, all gloom and doom) the over hyped media BS, our biggest problems were injuries and special teams.(we have others too)
Our punter(back up) couldnt punt 40 yards and our kicker could barely reach the 5 yard line on one of his better kicks. Our opponents always seemed to be starting on or near our 40. We ranked I believe 30th on opponents starting field position.
Staying healthy and improving our special teams to the top 1/3rd of the league could make us much better than you might think.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Jul 31, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
I tried to stay out of this one, BUT…
You’ve got an already shitty special teams going into the season with an offense and defense that has lost key players and you started drafting in the 3rd round. So besides the wishful thinking about everyone staying healthy, how will the Cowterds be better this season?!
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jul 31, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im banking on health. We were unlucky last year and Im hoping it trends the other way this year.
Our probowl punter is back. Felix will be returning kicks again. We drafted a 230lb kick off specialist. We got a new special teams coach who was the guy that broke his vertebra when the bubble collapsed. He was coaching again in 5 days with a C-collar.(gotta love a guy like that) Every practice so far has started with special teams 1st. That means they realize its important and that it cost us games last year . I think it will be highly regarded this year.
Draft picks have their bigger impacts in their 2nd and 3rd years, having said that we took a page out of the Patriots book and got a bunch of athletic, smart guys that love to play. We will turn them loose on special teams for a couple of years and coach a few of them up to starters eventually.(hopefully, but then thats next years problem)
We dont see TO as a key loss. You guys showed us a guy bumping him and a guy over the top could stop him. He seemed to cause as many problems as he solved. Canty flashed big plays occasionally but he also was a tease. Didnt play lane disipline consistently. Could disappear for stretches.
Cowboy fans in general are high on Bennett. He has been a matchup nightmare for LBs and DBs. Felix is back. Choice can play and has outstanding vision. Sensabaugh gets grief on other teams sites but he is a major up grade over Keith Davis. Davis was so bad he pulled down the play of Hamlin. Roy Willams couldnt cover but Davis couldnt cover or tackle. (we actually had to pull Ware away from rushing the passer to play coverage)
Yes, Im an optimist but arent you. I truely believe, and you can quote me on this, this division will come down to who is the healthiest. I think every team has concerns but there are no easy outs. I think Dallas will go 3-3 in the Beast same as everyone else. It will be determined against the likes of SD, NO, Car, Atl.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Jul 31, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
travis, let's do talk about it
QB: Dallas
RB: Dallas (as a whole) – I like Portis, but he doesn’t have near the help that Barber does
FB: Redskins – but then again we run a lot more 2 TE sets than a traditional FB
WR: Dallas – And since I know I will get a lot of arguments here:
Moss > Roy
Randle El < Crayton
Thomas < Austin (Austin has shown more)
Kelly < Hurd (Hurd has shown more)
And this changes even more if Austin beats out Crayton for the number 2 slot, that makes it even more lopsided.
TE: Dallas
O-Line: Dallas
D-Line: Redskins (but to be fair we play different defenses)
LB: Dallas
Front 7: Dallas
CB: Even – I wanted to give the edge to the Cowboys, but I think this one is really close if Newman stays healthy
Safties: Redskins, but this could change once we see Sensabaugh play.
Punter: Dallas
Kicker: Dallas
So I am not really sure where you think you are a better than we are on paper. When you talk about doing nothing in the offseason, look at your offense before you start talking. You did nothing but attempt to get rid of your starting QB and an O-line that was absolutely shredded, you think Dockery will fix all of that? I think you are dreaming.
by sduncan24 on Jul 31, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
but I guess it would be too difficult for you to step up and show me where you think I am mistaken?
by sduncan24 on Aug 1, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm a Cowboys fan,
but I think your analysis is spot on. That doesn’t mean we won’t split the season series, but I agree.
by jdramirez on Aug 1, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, sorry about that
WRs: Based on last year’s performance, you are correct. But having been to camp I would not trade Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly for any of the WRs on your team (save Roy Williams). Austin Miles had 13 receptions in 12 games last year. He seems to have the skills but never really explodes into that big time role. His special teams are surely very good. Same thing for Crayton…16 games…500 yards. Hard to believe he’s already 30 years old as well, but he never turned into that great WR you hoped (which is why you brought in TO and Roy Williams)
Full back: Mike Sellers is a pro-bowler
Punter: Skins have one of the best in the league in Hunter Smith.
Cornerbacks: Carlos and DeAngelo Hall are better than yours. Mike Jenkins and Terence Newman combined for only 5 INTs. Skins corners didn’t have a lot of interceptions, but that increased when DeAngelo was added. Given how good the safeties are (Horton and Landry)…that will increase this year. Especially since the skins finally have a DLine now that can get to the QB.
by KevinE on Aug 2, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Austin played no where near 12 games last year (healthy) he was hurt early and never got back into things. We are expecting lots out of him this year, as you are Kelly and Thomas. I don’t think anyone ever expected much from Crayton, we was a converted QB who has turned into a really good third option.
You can see the argument below on why McBriar is a better than Smith. He is not bad, but he is no McBriar.
We’ll see on CBs, we have some young ones, but they have been preforming very well as of late and if they both turn into the quality starters we expect them to be we will be a force for years to come.
by sduncan24 on Aug 2, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reality Check
QB: Dallas – JC will surpass Romo this season
RB: Redskins
RB corps: Dallas – more depth (even if they’re all pussies)
FB: Redskins
WR: Redskins – none of your Cowboy WRs even put up Randle El’s production last season, and they were all at least in their 2nd season or more (unlike DT & MK).
TE: Even
O-Line: Dallas – barely
D-line: Redskins
LB: Cowboys
Front 7: Redskins
CB: Redskins – not even close
Safeties: Redskins
Punter: Even (we signed Hunter Smith, in case you didn’t know)
Kicker: Dallas
Are you really talking about not doing anything with the OL this off-season? Who has the oldest OL in the NFL again? (HINT: they have a giant pentagram on their helmets & uniforms).
Dockery is only one piece of the puzzle for us. Stephon Heyer at RT is a way better pass-blocker than Jansen. And we now have experienced backups in Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges. We are still developing Chad Rinehart to replace Randy Thomas. All-Pro Chris Samuels should stay elite for a couple more seasons. It will all come down to health, as you witnessed in our 6-2 start last season.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 1, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
QB: Seriously on JC???? Say what you want about Romo but he has put up some of the top numbers in the league. Get real.
RB: Ok so that is an edge for Dallas, thanks for repeating what I said
FB: We agree
WR: Agree to disagree, you can believe in completely unprovens, I will believe in slightly provens
TE: Seriously?!?!?!?! I should stop right now because every analyst in the league thinks Witten is one of the top 3, many say the best
O-line: Agree, and I also think it is a slim lead
DL: Agree
LB: Agree
Front 7: Is this based on a non-existent pass rush? I think you are hopeful on this one, maybe your new aquisitions pan out, maybe they don’t. All I know is Haynesworth isn’t playing for a contract this year.
CB: I will give you the edge, but be realistic, it is as close as our lines are. You can keep praying for Hall to live up to the hype, but he never will.
Safties: I agree
Punter: You must not watch any football, we have a pro-bowler who right now back from injury is crushing 65 yard punts and is in the prime of his career.
Kicker: Agree
I believe you are right behind us in O-line age, and we leading until you cut Jansen, so I would really think about that one before you go there. What we did in the off season is return two of our lineman from injury and will not have the same line we started the 2007 season with.
Heyer sucks, period. The guy will get blown off the line all season long if they stick with him. He might be better than an aging Jansen, but that doesn’t say much really. I have news for you, Samuels stopped being elite a couple years ago. Sorry to burst your bubble. I did witness your 6-2 start, but I also witnessed your 2-6 collapse so I am not sure why you bring up injuries. We definitely had more substantial injuries than you did.
by sduncan24 on Aug 1, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
- Romo just lost a top 10 WR and you actually think he will be better with a bunch of WRs who couldn’t even put up ARE numbers last season?! And I should get real?
- Witten/Bennett = Cooley/Davis/Yoder. I’m using your same WR argument that more is better.
- Please stop pretending that us adding the best DT in the NFL and drafting the highest ranked DE to an already 4th ranked defense won’t make our Front 7 better. The contract year silliness is just plain wishful thinking.
- Come back after clicking this link to 2008 special teams punting average statistics (Hunter Smith played for the Colts last year). EVEN
I believe you are right behind us in O-line age, and we leading until you cut Jansen,… What we did in the off season is return two of our lineman from injury and will not have the same line we started the 2007 season with.
LOL. Long story short, you have the same old-ass OL as last season (except now they are the oldest), and therefore will undoubtedly have OL injury problems again. Nice job talking in circles.
Heyer sucks, period. The guy will get blown off the line all season long if they stick with him.
Well thanks for that insight, Nostradumbass. I will go ahead and reserve judgement until I see him play in his 2nd season starting.
I have news for you, Samuels stopped being elite a couple years ago. Sorry to burst your bubble.Think before you type, bro…
Amount of sacks given up by each LT in the NFL (2008):
1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed
2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed – PRO-BOWL
3. Tra Thomas (Eagles) 2.0 sacks allowed
3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed
5. Jake Long (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed
6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed – PRO-BOWL
6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed
6. Jared Gaither (Ravens) 3.0 sacks allowed
6. Marcus McNeill (Chargers) 3.0 sacks allowed
6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed
6. Chris Samuels (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed – PRO-BOWL
6. Todd Weiner (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed
13. Walter Jones (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed – PRO-BOWL
14. D’Brickashaw Ferguson (Jets) 4.0 sacks allowed
14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed
14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed
17. Joe Thomas (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed – PRO-BOWL
17. Branden Albert (Cheifs) 4.5 sacks allowed
19. Levi Brown (Bengals) 5.5 sacks allowed
20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed
21. David Diehl (Giants) 6.5 sacks allowed
22. Flozell Adams (Cowboys) 7.25 sacks allowed
23. Khalif Barnes (Jags) 7.5 sacks allowed
23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed
23. Chad Clifton (Packers) 7.5 sacks allowed
23. Kwame Harris (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed
27. Joe Staley (49ers) 8.5 sacks allowed
28. Donald Penn (Bucs) 8.5 sacks allowed
29. Jeff Backus (Lions) 9.25 sacks allowed
30. John St. Clair (Bears) 9.75 sacks allowed
31. Duane Brown (Texans) 11.5 sacks allowed
31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed – PRO-BOWL
I did witness your 6-2 start, but I also witnessed your 2-6 collapse so I am not sure why you bring up injuries.
Uhh, maybe because our OL was virtually 3rd string going into to the last 4-5 games? Your team wasn’t the only one riddled with injuries last year. That’s actually a pretty lame excuse.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 2, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
- Romo just lost a top 10 WR and you actually think he will be better with a bunch of WRs who couldn’t even put up ARE numbers last season?! And I should get real?
But, that’s your reasoning behind you saying that JC will surpass Romo? How did JC played last year? How has he played for his short career? Romo with a limited throwing hand had much better numbers…
- Witten/Bennett = Cooley/Davis/Yoder. I’m using your same WR argument that more is better.
Davis and Yoder stats last year? 11 for 77 and 1TD… Bennett? 20 for 283 and 4TDs… Davis and Bennett were rookies, Yoder is a 9 year veteran…
Yup, they are even, REAL EVEN….
- Please stop pretending that us adding the best DT in the NFL and drafting the highest ranked DE to an already 4th ranked defense won’t make our Front 7 better. The contract year silliness is just plain wishful thinking.
Last season. Best pass rusher? Ware (20 sacks), OLB. 2nd best pass rusher? Haynesworth (8.5 sacks), DT. 3rd best pass rusher? Tie, James and Ratliff (8 sacks), ILB and NT. And you’re trying to make the case that the Redskins have the better front 7? I would say even, with the Redskins having an advantage of a better DLine and the Cowboys with better LBs.
- Come back after clicking this link to 2008 special teams punting average statistics (Hunter Smith played for the Colts last year). EVEN
And you’re one to talk about thinking before writing… McBriar was averaging 49 yards, good for 2nd best in your list… He broke his foot in the 6th game of the season and was replaced by Paulescu, who averaged 41.8… Good for bottom 5… Right now McBriar is back to full heatlh and punting 60 and 70 yarders in a consistent basis. Advantage – Cowboys.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Aug 2, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
- JC has steadily improved every season and will have more options than he has ever had this year. Romo took a HUGE step back last year and is going into this season without his top 10 WR and less options than he has ever had. That’s why I believe Campbell will surpass Romo this season.
- Witten and Cooley are a wash, Bennett > Davis (right now), Yoder > NoName Scrub. BTW, Yoder is a better blocker than any of your TEs.
- I guess we will have to agree on even with the Front 7. Happy?
- McBriar broke his foot? Ouch. Is that the same foot he kicks with? I guess we will have to say that Hunter is better simply in terms of durability then. Advantage – Redskins.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 3, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
- Sure.
- Witten and Cooley are a wash? Really? I’ll take Witten, you can take Cooley and you can ask around the NFC East blogs… as a matter of fact, make polls on every blog, I can guarantee that 80-90% of the votes will go Witten’s way, if not more… Davis (right now)… Impressive, you can make the case of a player on your team improving in his 2nd year, but what about Bennett? He ain’t going to improve? He’s an improved player already, now he’s well versed as a TE, slot receiver, split WR and HB… His numbers are going up. Yoder… I’ll give you Yoder…. Still isn’t much…. I’ll keep the Cowboys TEs, alright?
- Happy, yeah, good common sense.
- He injured his foot on a blocked end zone punt, our STs as usual that year failed misserably and McBriar had 2 guys in front of him ready to block, he’s now back to full health and punting 60 and 70 yarders, including the end-over-end hard difficulty punts. Durability? Give me a break…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Aug 3, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would keep your TEs too if I was you. Chances are they’re gonna be the only ones catching TDs this season.
Look on the bright side though, at least you guys will have high draft picks next year… well… at least until Jerah trades them all for another washed up has-been.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 3, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That, right there, is a text book example of what hope is in relation of Football.
Of course, hoping that something will happen won’t make it happen.
But you can keep up, your effort is appreciated.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Aug 3, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you and Peter King are right
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 3, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a better QB period. I really don’t care who is throwing to, he is still a better QB. Period. But while you at it, he is throwing to receivers that didn’t put up numbers, not couldn’t. Small difference in words, big difference is meaning. Roy was a mid-season acquisition who was suffering from plantar fasciitis, Austin missed most of the year, Hurd missed most of the year and Crayton and ARE’s numbers are strikingly similar. ARE has more yards, but Crayton has a better YPC. You act as if he is throwing to a bunch of high school kids. Yes YOU should get real.
My logic with WR was not the more the better, remember I compared them to each other and looked at the whole. Witten and Bennett are light years ahead of Cooley/Davis/Yoder.
I think those two additions do help your front 7, but I still think we have a stronger group all together. You had a better run stop defense, we had a better pass rush defense. The point is I think the difference between our pass rusher and yours is greater than the difference between your run stop and ours.
I looked at that link, and then I chose to do my own research, because as Chandus pointed out McBriar missed most of the season. Over the last 3 seasons I am going to give you the AVG for each punter and you tell me who is who, ok?
2008 44.2 49.0
2007 41.9 47.1
2006 44.4 48.2
Now which would take? Since this is an “on paper” discussion. Be honest.
I am entitled to my own opinions about your players and their abilities. I think you have seen about all you are going to see out of Heyer, they brought in an out of football out of shape Mike Williams to compete with him. There are a lot of football analysts who agree, but I would appreciate it if you could keep this civil and about football and leave out the names. We are both adults and you reverting to that level is kinda sad.
All I will say about Samuels/Adams is one of the played injured all season, and maybe I will end up being wrong about Samuels. Keep this part of the conversation in mind when Ware and Osi each face him twice this year. You’ll see what I mean then.
If I recall correctly, and I do recall correctly because I went back and doubled checked, you brought up injuries first, so I am not sure what “lame” excuse I made. Maybe you can come up with a better effort next time.
I almost stopped reading when you said JC was better than Romo, god I wish I had at this point.
by sduncan24 on Aug 2, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now, Romo would have to be considered a “better” QB. If you actually read what I typed, you would notice I never said “JC was better than Romo”. You are entitled to your opinions about players and abilities, but when you come on a Redskins blog trolling about how “Heyer sucks, period”, and how he’s gonna get “blown off the line all season long if they stick with him”, you better expect some backlash. There aren’t ANY football analysts saying those things and I would appreciate it if you would keep this banter halfway intelligent by recognizing the fact that Heyer has only started at RT in 3 games (2 of which we won).
As for all of the other back and forth BS, I am perfectly content with my team and I’m looking forward to competing for first in the division.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 3, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction *
Heyer also started at RT in the last 4 games in 2007 (and playoffs) as a rookie, which we won out.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 3, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am really not sure what the difference is what you just said and what you stated earlier. Romo is a better QB this year, but yet you want to give the advantage to JC because you think he is going to get better?
I believe that my banter is a little more than halfway intelligent. I live in VA and watch more Skins football than I really care to think about, and I believe that Heyer is not a very good player, he is your best option at that position, but I think he is sub-par in the NFC East.
I think everyone is content with their team in most areas, but you seem to have a hard time acknowledging that even though your team may not be “weak” in a particular area that they are better than the other teams in the division in that area.
by sduncan24 on Aug 3, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
- Once again:
JC has steadily improved every season and will have more options than he has ever had this year. Romo took a HUGE step back last year and is going into this season without his top 10 WR and less options than he has ever had. That’s why I believe Campbell will surpass Romo this season.
- You live in VA, please tell me you’re not one of those people that has never even been to Texas.
- Stephon Heyer hasn’t had enough playing time to decisively establish whether or not he’s a long-term solution at RT. He’s technically still a work-in-progress. I like what I’ve seen with his pass protection, but he has a ways to go with his run-blocking. Regardless, passing judgement already would be like me announcing right now that Obama’s stimulus plan is an absolute failure, months before the long-term effects have manifested.
- I don’t think that last sentence in your comment turned out like it was supposed to.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 3, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see the HUGE step back, the guy missed 4 games last season and put up better numbers than JC did in 12 games. Please show me the HUGE step back.
I am an Army brat so I have lived all over the world, including twice in Texas, combined with both of my parents being Texas natives and my dad being a huge Cowboys fan his entire life makes it a pretty simple equation for me being a die hard.
I’ll guess we’ll just have to say, we’ll see.
Maybe it didn’t. Let me try again. In all of these discussions my main issue is that you seem unable to accept that another team may be better than your own in an area, unless you feel that it is a weakness on your own team. Saying that the Giants have a better o-line than us or that your secondary is slightly better than ours doesn’t mean that we have a crappy o-line or poor secondary. Quite the contrary, I believe that our secondary is going to surprise a lot of people and be a real strength this year, but since it is yet to be seen, I have to give you the edge. My point is you seem unwilling to acknowledge this point for your own team, and seem to think that any recognition that another team is stronger is an indication that the Reskins are weak in that area.
by sduncan24 on Aug 4, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the most amount of time I have ever spent on this blog and I am a getting a bit nauseous.
by sduncan24 on Aug 4, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 games? I think you mean 3 games and a bye. Romo’s accuracy, QB rating, yardage, TDs, TD:INT ratio, rush Y/G, etc. all went down last season. It’s possible that he could have matched his 2007 total passing yards in those 3 missed games, but definitely not TDs. The only stats that really went up were fumbles and fumbles lost (12 and 7 respectively). On the other hand, JC’s numbers went UP across the board (except sacks – Yikes). JC hasn’t had the luxury of playing with the same offense for however many years Romo has. He also hasn’t had a top 5 WR in T.O. (up until last season anyway) to dominate the secondary. With JC going into his 2nd season in Zorn’s system, the number of plays called being doubled/tripled, and Thomas and Kelly poised to surpass ARE on the depth chart, Jason Campbell looks ready to have his best season EVER. Tony Romo… meh, not so much.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 4, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, 3 games not 4, what can I say I am at work and I guess I rushed through that. All of those statistical categories may have gone down, but he still can you really be down on a guy who has a 91.4 QB rating? or threw 26 touchdowns in 13 games? or completed 61.3% of his passes? You know Peyton Manning’s QB rating has gone down for the last 4 years now, I guess he isn’t very good and JC will probably surpass him this year too…
It isn’t that hard to improve on the numbers Campbell has put up thus far, so you can definitely say that JC will have a better year compared to his career than Romo will have compared to his previous years. But you will be hard pressed to find anyone objective that will tell you they would rather have JC than Romo, for now or the future. You can stick your head in the sand and say “I like my guy, he’s the best” all you want, but it doesn’t make it any more true.
by sduncan24 on Aug 4, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, I am officially calling it quits on this string of debate, it has gone on too long and there is no way either will change their minds at this point. And even if one of us did, there is no way we could admit it on this blog. I normally don’t get into long blog discussions, but I have enjoyed this one, good luck this season. Maybe I’ll buy you a beer when I come up to FedEx field for the Cowboys game.
by sduncan24 on Aug 4, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I could never say I would rather have Romo because I’m pretty sure I would be struck dead by the past spirits of Redskins’ greats.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Aug 4, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as well you should, hell even my attempt at unbiased analysis giving the Redskins credit Tom Landry visited me in my dreams and beat my ass.
by sduncan24 on Aug 4, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way I noticed you have ODU listed as your NCAA favorite team, you don’t happen to be located in the Hampton Roads area, do you?
by sduncan24 on Aug 4, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HaH..You have a better chance of seeing GOD!!
QB-Only if JC turns into JC
RBs-even- ours can’t stay healthy and neither can yours
TE- No brainer/Backup rookieTE had more TDs than your 3rookies/Cooley
FB- ‘skins
OL-Dallas/your counting on the guy who was 425lbs in Feb. out of football 2yrs
WR-Dallas/check the #s you might consider trading for Crayton our #3 last yr
DL- Sorry but 100million man vs Gurode/Ratlif+Spears+Igor=11scks-8 by NT
LB-Given
CB-Newmans healthy/Springs is gone/Hall will revert back to toast then be benched
SS/FS-Skins Landry’s pretty nice/young buck Horton hits hard
P/K-Pro Bowlers dude
OLinemen tend to last into the mid thirties and stop listening to that moron ByeDawk
it makes you look stupid.
" Your own words":
" Dockery is only one piece of the puzzle for us. Stephon Heyer at RT is a way better pass-blocker than Jansen. And we now have experienced backups in Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges. We are still developing Chad Rinehart to replace Randy Thomas. All-Pro Chris Samuels(32) should stay elite for a couple more seasons. It will all come down to health, as you witnessed in our 6-2 start last season."
Dallas Blog: Kyle Kosier returns to 1st team reps after 08’ foot injury.Line continuity complete once again.
Big difference!! It looks like Samuels might have to be put down he’s 32
by psychodad on Aug 2, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like Samuels might have to be put down he’s 32
Kosier, Gurode, Davis, and Colombo will all be 32 next year. I guess they should be put down too. And Adams will be 35.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Aug 2, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading too much hype
On paper, the COWBOYS are the weakest team in the NFC East, the Eagles are a wildcard (they could be anywhere from first to third in the East, I think), The Giants are on paper the most solid; I see them as either first or second, in the East. The Redskins could go either 2nd or 3rd, unless the D is even more upgraded and we get a HUGE step up from both Thomas and Kelly; the Redskins will be improved on D with more scoring and better field position on one of the best defenses already in the league, and should have a somewhat better offense (middle of the pack ranking). Even 3 points more a game, on average, for the Redskins would have resulted in an NFC East title last year. I just don’t see where the stuffed shirts are getting the 4-12 BS from for the Redskins….
by BillWard on Jul 31, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree the Skins are better across the board because they will be in their 2nd year
under the same system, but I don’t think they are leaps and bounds better than last year let alone better than the Cowboys, but we can agree to disagree on that point.
by jdramirez on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Cowboys fan...
and I think they do need to focus on tackling and have some bigtime hitting going on. For teams like the Steelers, they say training camp is where they develop toughness and attitude.
I want to see a little attitude from the defense. They are a solid corp of guys, but they don’t strike fear into anyones heart.
As for Romo, why do people care if he says anything the first day of camp. He was covered 24/7 during the entire off season.
And in terms of people coming out at different times… camp schedules vary. Drills vary. Big freaking deal if they don’t come out all at the same time.
by jdramirez on Jul 30, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A cowboys fan wrote all that...
As for Romo, why do people care if he says anything the first day of camp. He was covered 24/7 during the entire off season.
Exactly…this was his chance to have everyone talking about football for a change…but he backed out for whatever reason…could be watching tape with coaches…or applying his vagisil.
Drills vary. Big freaking deal if they don’t come out all at the same time.
It’s about being a team…this is a not a good start in establishing chemistry.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we need to import the hip hip hooray footage from the Skins's coach and
play that at the begginning and end of each practice. That really worked out well for yall. And here’s a quick opinion regarding coaching, you set goals at the beggining of the season, you don’t start off with the hip hip hoorays until you need to fire up your team. If you are a constant ball of firey speeches, they eventually lose their value.
by jdramirez on Jul 30, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything is better than what the Cowboys are doing now..including Hip Hip Hooray
This is year THREE for Wade Phillips and there appears to be zero team unity. Take a look at the Skins first training camp today….big difference from last year and players are glowing. Does that mean Super Bowl? Of course not…but team chemistry can’t be under-rated.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did you see zero team unity? Because they didn’t all come racing out onto the field at the same time? That is the biggest cop-out I have ever heard. You can take any peice of information and spin it however you want, and this post has proven that point. But what I love the most is that I am pretty sure this post has had more comments than any other in recent memory on Hogs Haven….and it isn’t even about your team. I have said it many times, but I really think that some Foreskins fans hate the Cowboys more than they like their own team. Kinda funny to me.
by sduncan24 on Jul 31, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we def hate cowboys
The SB Nation blogger for the Cowboys at BloggingTheBoys.com….he IM’d me and said this post was pretty far from the truth. (He is at camp in dallas). He and I are friends and I am sincere when i say i dont want to post misinformation…which is why i only quoted the cowboys bloggers. He agreed to do a Q&A with me this Sunday … he said all the Romo – wade stuff is hog wash and that everyone in Big D is optimistic. So…perhaps I jumped the gun..but at the same time…I have no regrets b/c I did nothing but quote Dallas bloggers.
by KevinE on Aug 1, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely, there are tons of horrible blog sites out there, that is why the only ones I read are here on SB Nation. I think all 4 NFC East sites are pretty darn good at reporting accurate information (even though we differ on opinions, I still think all of them are well written)
by sduncan24 on Aug 1, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a spot of analysis and reading into the wording...
But I will say that while the concerns addressed are exactly right, they are reflective of posts I do read from self-proclaimed Cowboys fans. And if I were the coach, I would give them a speech at the beginning to set the tone, and I don’t entirely like the team coming out in piece meal. But I don’t think it was a big deal either.
by jdramirez on Aug 1, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, but we can also look around and read the little minds of your fan base...
Like the ones throwing the 2009 season on a bin because JC will be the starter…
Like the ones thinking that Colt should be given the starter job because he’s on his way to a lot of Pro Bowls and Canton…
Like the ones saying that Zorn isn’t the answer….
Like the ones wanting to fire Cerrato, Lil’ Dan (Snyder – The Owner) and all of the Front Office…
Our Blog, along the rest of the East, can write that kind of stories but that doesn’t make it true. Just because it’s a slow time, you shouldn’t bring something out of someone else’s ass and use it as news…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Aug 2, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can say that about a lot of fans of different teams.
But for every person who harbors this type of animosity, there are 3 or 4 bandwagon fans who haven’t watched a game in 4 years, but claim to be fans of the Cowboys.
by jdramirez on Aug 1, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked “Hip hip hooray.” Highly gay, but was funny.
In the same vein, as an Eagles fan, I’m rooting extra hard for 5th round pick Victor “Macho” Harris to be a good player, just so that the Eagles play this (below) after every big play…
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Victor
is an absolute beast. When I covered draft day at Fedex Field….there were fans who wanted us to use our 1st round pick on him. What fans think doesn’t mean a lot, but he can ball.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. We here in Philly don’t really have a local college (I think Penn State would be considered the most local, even though it’s like 3 hours from Philly), so we don’t really hear too many idiots clamoring for the local kid on draft day, which is a good thing.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Temple and Penn aren’t cranking out the NFLers?
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Villanova cranked out Westbrook, and I actually remember people not liking that pick.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…and by “people,” I mean Eagles fans.
And no, Temple, Penn, LaSalle, and St. Joes aren’t exactly lighting it up.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to play against Macho in HS and he tore us up, he was 10 times better RB in HS than CB. Great basketball player and track field athlete too.
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted Macho too,
so I guess we were all disappointed. Actually on my draft board I had a TON of players that I really liked, and we picked up 2 of them, and those were the players I would have been satisfied with if we got them in the 7th round. So, poo for me.
by jdramirez on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1...2...3...
it’s the cowboys downfall
http://fourthdownand5.blogspot.com/ – a “Playoff” blog
by socmaniam on Jul 30, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BloggingtheBoys.com
The lead SB Nation blogger for the Cowboys just hit me up on gchat. He said this article couldn’t be further from the truth. He’s at Cowboys camp right now and said that there is no panic’ing going on and Wade has had ‘no-contact’ every year. He continued that there is a good atmosphere in Big D and that there are not fans turning against Romo.
I sent him this article of Irvin telling fans to back off Romo and he wasn’t sure where that was coming from and that the media does this to Dallas/Romo every year.
I’ve setup a Q&A with him for early next week to talk about this and the Dallas; expectations for next year. Stay tuned.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No contact every year...
Actually, that makes a lot of sense.
When Bill Parcells left the Cowboys, his replacement was going to be someone who was his direct opposite — easy to get along with, non-controlling, willing to take input on staff, willing to not always put pressure on the staff. The kind of coach who would make Valley Ranch a kinder, gentler place. Welcome, Wade Phillips.
- Mike Lombardi, National Football Post
A couple things here…
1) If there’s a team that I know really well aside from the Eagles, it’s the Cowboys, and although I knew they ran a plush camp under Wade, I’m thoroughly disappointed in myself for not knowing they don’t TACKLE.
2) Defensively, not tackling in camp is basically the equivalent of not practicing bunting, or not teaching pitchers to cover first on grounders to the right side in spring training. It’s mind blowing.
3) I mentioned it above, and it REALLY does explain a lot. I jokingly posted the Mike Jenkins video, but now you can also point to the Cowboys-Ravens game as a clear example of how poor tackling cost them the playoffs.
On your Q & A, you plan on lofting up softballs, or are you going to hammer him?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a friend of mine..so need for softballs...
We’ll be bringing the thunder…if you have any special ones you want me to throw in (this applies to everyone)…comment below. I’m sending the questions to him on sunday.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might know where this one is coming from...
By the end of the season, the offensive line starters will be the following ages…
Adams – 34
Kosier – 31
Gurode – 31
Davis – 31
Colombo – 31
Is there a concern that some of these guys are going to slow down by December? Are you happy with with the depth behind these guys?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Dawk
Adams – 34-4 ProBowls
Kosier – 31 31 is pretty young for a lineman and he’d upgrade your team,Herramens, remember him, Haynesworth remembers him,I hear C is up for grabs
Justice,Jean-Max and the Andrews sisters, Can’t wait to hear the excuses.
Gurode – 31-3 ProBowls
in Philly& moving all those OLinemen around could be dangerous for your brittle QB
Davis – 31-3 ProBowls-what can you say pretty good investment,Could be our Runyan(36)
But don’t worry he’ll be there when they realize like BIGG Davis he’s a guard.
Colombo – 31-Coach Landry used to say if somebody made him a 1st rounder usually there’s
something there& it’s up to me to find it. They found it . He’ll be good for 3-4 more
years.
All of that continuity the Oline in Philly had is now gone and McNabulous will be McChukin’ it into the ground
by psychodad on Jul 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KevinE...
See how much they hate that one? Truth hurts.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 31, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea still can’t find the correlation between Gurode and Philly’s C situation… lets get a pool up on how many times Flozell gets caught holding, I’m going with 73…
by pas493 on Jul 31, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he’s saying is that there’s a competition between our usual starting center, Jamaal Jackson, and Nick Cole, and he’s right. However, there’s only a competition because Nick Cole played so well last year in relief of Shawn Andrews, as opposed to Jamaal Jackson playing poorly, and they’re just creating competition. A lot of people think Jackson is a Top 5-10 center in this league (I don’t happen to agree he’s that good), but this clown is making a pretty dumb statement regardless.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 31, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a good report card for the Cowboys O-line from Matt Mosley
After observing three practices, I’m convinced the Cowboys could be in big trouble if any of their offensive linemen go down with injury.
Pat McQuistan looked completely helpless through much of Thursday’s practices. And the worst part is that he got worse with each rep. He freaked out when DeMarcus Ware lined up over him and had a false start. Doug Free, a former third-round pick, looked a little better in the one-on-one drills I watched, but he’s not ready to step in for left tackle Flozell Adams if something happens. Cory Procter’s a guy that can get you through a couple of games at center or guard, but he needs to stay in that role.
This team has done a very poor job of drafting and developing offensive linemen. They took Andre Gurode out of Colorado in the second round in 2002. They’ve been striking out ever since.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-9-188/The-Mosley-Training-Camp-Report.html
by KevinE on Jul 31, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Mosley always kills their line.
One thing that’s staggering to me is they had 12 picks this year, have a lineup full of 31+ year olds, and drafted ONE OL… and NONE last year. How dumb is that? Actually, the Skins are a little guilty of the same thing too, but to a much lesser degree.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 31, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say the Skins are worse than the Cowboys
At least the Cowboys have a solid STARTING line…Skins dont even have that.
by KevinE on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Dawk:
I’m pretty sure that can be said for at least 30 teams, not many teams can afford to lose a OLineman, And yes Kosier got hurt and they struggled running the ball,but for all it’s worth his backup didn’t give up 8 sacks the whole season let alone 1 game ie:W.Justice the next Tra Thomas,HaHA. and I’m pretty sure the Giants are the only team in this division who wouldn’t swap front 7s and w/o JJ to get them off the field on 3rd downs It’s going to be sweet hearing you complain about the LBs getting gashed by TEs+RBs,and how they have no pass rush or still have no rush ‘cause ya didn’t fix that did ya". Looking forward to seeing how your midget DBs stack up against a whole division of 6’1"-6’6" WRs. Boy, every team in this division has a weapon you can’t stop
it’s called a TE. Got one yet, still looking huh…don’t worry Ingram’s the answer if that knee’s right,but once again he doesn’t block either and I hear he’s kind of soft.McKoy is in the same mold of the last 5 RBs you guys picked,He can’t block. I’m sure ILBs will know that come gametime<Pierce,James,Fletcher> pretty good inside blitzers.
Oh and remember your picks haven’t been so great go back five years and take a good look. Never realized you guys drafted so many RB/OL/DB/LB/DL Yet every year you splash into free agency for something a DB,OL,LB,RB/DL but they draft so well.
by psychodad on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this all you really have?
you post this same stats about 100 times so far this offseason, and the whole if you know any team aside from your eagles, it’s the Cowboys: you are dead wrong. you think you know the Cowboys, but you know them from a biased, eagles fan standpoint. You are no where near objective when it comes to them, although you’d like to believe you are. I am not blaming you for this, there are very few fans you are unbiased, but stop acting like you are truly objective when refering to other teams in the East.
by sduncan24 on Jul 31, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'll be here defending people of my ilk.
Ughhh. I hate most ignorant Cowboys fans the way yall hate Cowboys fans in general. It is true that some fans are losing faith in Romo and that’s just crazy. But that’s an argument for a different day.
by jdramirez on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poll...
I just added the poll…NONE of my die-hard Redskins fans knew this. Makes no sense. How do you evaluate two linebackers fighting for the same spot when there’s no tackling? The 3 pre-season games where teams plays scrubs the majority of the time?
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I remember it from Hard Knocks
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remember hard knocks
but not this. i think b/c it was all about Pacman and TO.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea they focus on how many punted balls they can hold on to then fundamentals
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it's not just tackling...
It doesn’t help offensive players practice ball security (not fumbling), it doesn’t help them with breaking tackles, and most importantly, it makes everyone extremely soft.
What I’m about to say isn’t a even a joke… Since the entire offense is off limits, do Tony Romo and the other QB’s even wear the “red jerseys?”
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they did in Hard Knocks honestly, but I could be wrong…
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They Don't..
i just saw some AP pics from camp yesterday..Romo and all the Qbs wear white … in fact the entire offense wears white…defense blue.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. To make a Skin’s point, I think I recall Marty beating the crap out of the players in the first few days of training camp. The old ball coach took a different approach. They both had about the same success, so I don’t think we can learn much from that.
by jdramirez on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike the rest;
of the East, Dallas isn’t looking for starters @LB,D-Line,DB,OLine,WR,TE,RB or QB, Not trying to stuff a rookie into the fire or trading for positions they already spent many picks on. Ask Bye Dawk how many OL,RB,WR,TE,LB,DL they’ve drafted in the last five years. If you look @ the last five drafts the Eagles have made the Skin’s look competent
by psychodad on Jul 30, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
Phillies, Sixers, and COWBOYS?!?!?
Nope, sorry – Can’t allow that. You’ve lost all Phillies privileges. Please immediately hand in all 2008 WS Champs merchandise you may have purchased. The city of Philadelphia and surrounding area doesn’t tolerate bandwagon douchebaggery.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 31, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's easy Thanksgiving+Monday Night Football
See when I was a kid growing up in Jersey,We played football as the great players-Dorsett breaks it-20-10-TD!! or Bradshaw’s back to pass over the top to Swann-TD and Mean Joe’s just dismantled the RB with a forearm shiver,Franco’s dragging defenders for the TD,LT’s sacks Jaws will he ever get up,Riggins,Pearson,Bavaro,Lambert,Casper,Belitnikof,Stabler,Staubach,Hollywood were stars.Name some Eagles of that ilk. Honestly the only Eagle I remember was the kicker and thats because everybody had a set of Tony’s Toes.
And to be honest most of the kid’s in my day were Steelers,Cowboys,Giants,Jets,Balt.,Wash.,Oakland fans.But that was back in the day when the Eagles really sucked you know the 70s-90s. But now some have become Homers but there’s nothing wrong with that.Just don’t remind them of the days when they were die hard Steelers or Cowboy fans. Not all of us conform or jump to the next bandwagon. Thanks Dad! for not allowing me to jump to the Eagles like everybody else did. Glad I stayed true, 3SBs later+ looking for more.
And we didn’t sit in the house,No A/C,No cable,But Thanksgiving+MNF you where home watching games and in the 70s-80s there was no better team to watch than the ‘Boys’. Who couldn’t be a fan of Doc,Toney,Moses,Cheeks,Cunningham. And the Phils because of Smitty,The Bull,Lefty,Dykstra.But when they fired Ed Wade my season pass was on the way,no worries about the GM now.Maybe when they fire Banner they’ll win it all.
Flyers cause I’ve been to some games,and really didn’t watch until Brashear came to Philly(didn’t know brothers played hockey)
Most kids choose to emulate and follow winners and great players, Must’ve been tough as a Eagle fan back then,Gee it must have been even tougher watching the whole division hoisting Lombardi Trophie’s.
by psychodad on Jul 31, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much exactly what I’m saying… Bandwagon douchebaggery.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Aug 1, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which would have been worse?
Changing back to a Eagles fan when he got older because of peer pressure or what did and stick with the team he chose as a child?
by sduncan24 on Aug 1, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Dawk:
I’ll be at all 3 Boys division away games this year. I always wear newer jersey#s w/PSYCHODAD on the patch or Old old throwback#s 12,33,88,54,56,94,72,74.
But @ the Link Just for you I’ll wear my Blue#80/Pdad jersey. Meet me over @ Rocky 2hrs before game time. We’ll have a beer,It’ll be fun…..
…… Ahhh, the days of the 700 level are back!
by psychodad on Jul 31, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wade Phillips
might actually pass Dave Campo for worst Cowboys coach in this decade.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jul 30, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Campo's #1 defenses
Campo coached up a #1 defense as a DC and one as a head coach(Zimmer was the DC) .
But hey, if you keep beating the Eagles twice a year I’m a fan @ least twice a year.
by psychodad on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as bye, dawk pointed out….
can you explain how you are a fan of the cowboys but a fan of all other philly teams?
by travisjh86 on Jul 31, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell does that have to do with him being a head coach?
Remember we coached up three straight 5-11 seasons? But your right he’s awesome!
by pas493 on Jul 31, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even close.
Campo looked lost on the field. Phillips seems competant, but doesn’t have a field general presence of a Parcells or even Jimmy Johnson. So… yeah… totally wrong.
by jdramirez on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was for Redskins fans
this “Hogs Haven” is just a place for closet ’boys fans. I am very disappointed. Maybe the Cowboys equivalent will have all of the Redskins stuff….
And I don’t care if he is bashing the boys. Get over your crush on them or pass it to a real skins fan!!!!!
by brettpedigo on Jul 30, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We play the Cowboys twice...
Doing sporadic articles on the other NFC east teams is relevant and important (they make up half of outr schedule)…since the Cowboys camp started a day earlier than the Skins…I picked it up…not to mention it’s making fun of the Cowboys.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on Kevin we all know your not a true Redskins fan and that your a closet Cowboys fan, it just oozes out of you day after day.
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE OPENED TODAY. THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS!!!
ROMO;S FACEBOOK PAGE WAS UP FOR A MONTH!!! insults are a form of flattery. Also, we opened TODAY!!!!!!! NOTHING. Just more COWBOY CRAP!!!! How about a picture of Devin Thomas Catching a pass. I know it is a hard concept on the skins site.
by brettpedigo on Jul 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude your such a better Redskins fan than any of us, you proved it for sure…
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so instead of being annoyed, you will mock me.
awesome
by brettpedigo on Jul 30, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot stop laughing...this is amazing.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, yeah...
I read it 3 times.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I find it funny that you first, spend so much time with the skins, and two, you would take the time out of jour day to write that and put it up there!
by brettpedigo on Jul 30, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you really want to bash me...
Go to my real site
by brettpedigo on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Time out of my day?"
I’m at work! What else am I going to do?
So that is you then, huh? Did you eventually bang her?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really me. Married with children.
by brettpedigo on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, maybe now, but that diary entry was 2003. Come on, Bretty boy… I’ll have a lot more respect for you if you can laugh at yourself and admit that was you.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I wish it was….Although, how many Brett Pedigo’s are there?
by brettpedigo on Jul 30, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dawk, your every where but yet always at work.
What do you do, and are you guys hiring.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, investment research company, and unfortunately, no. I’m a multi-tasker.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 31, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats unfortunate. I work in a hospital so its feast or famine here.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope..
yes! Finally i am getting respect!!!
by brettpedigo on Jul 30, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the four articles on the front page regarding skins training camp? They even have pictures!
by pas493 on Jul 30, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Brett
I posted this article at 9:30am …. which means I wrote it BEFORE camp started. I have done nothing but Redskins posts leading up to today, and I do one Cowboys post over two weeks. Romo’s facebook post was up a couple days at most. SI.com put in on their homepage..so it had to be worth SOMETHING. Each new article written pushes the next one down….8 articles MAX on the homepage…so by math…2x a day…4 days at the most it was up.
by KevinE on Jul 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
O.K.
I am in L.A. and missed the earlier stuff. I just hate going to my y! sports page and seeing COWBOYS under the skins! You do a good job, though!!
by brettpedigo on Jul 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet you clicked on the Cowboys article. Interesting.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 30, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, EVERY Cowboys related thread is filled with
fans of every other team yelling how much they suck, and how fat Jessica is… so take some solace in the fact that you don’t have to hear from every yahoo with an internet connection.
by jdramirez on Jul 31, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 training camp events which put DC fanbase in panic mode
What panic mode??? Camp has just started. There are many questions to be answered. They will not be answered on the first day. Plenty of training camp to go. So can we just get a grip.
by 1960boys on Jul 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll hit panic mode if the Cowboys start off 0-3.
Hot muggy day in Tampa…. few turnovers, 0-1.
Giant team just running like crazy, 0-2
Carolina running like crazy, 0-3,
Think air in Denver, 0-4
Miracle win by KC…. well, probably won’t happen. 1-4. Whoo, Super Bowl Bound!!!!
by jdramirez on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
jdram look around:
There must be a barrel of glue open somewhere,open a window you could die in there!
Must be light headed.
Hot muggy day in Tampa…. few turnovers, 0-1.Wades 2-0 opening game,RookieHC/OC/DC/QB-1-0
Giant team just running like crazy, 0-2 NewStadium/div opp/D avgs. 4sack/1 int vs Eli 2-0
Carolina running like crazy, 0-3, No matter how well they run Jake doesn’t scare ya/Ware vs? Ware wins-3-0
Think air in Denver, 0-4 Orton/bad defense/RookieHC
Miracle in KC…. 1-4 Might be tricky Todd Haley took us apart in "Zona/ Wades D starts taking over -4-0
It could be cruise control until Atlanta, can’t believe no Eagles till Nov.
by psychodad on Jul 31, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Apparently you haven't read the vast majority of my posts.
I personally have the Cowboys going 16-0 this year, but I wouldn’t mind if they fall just a little short of that. It was just conjecture on when I would hit the panic button. Ughh.
by jdramirez on Aug 5, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, that will be the 3rd straight game Atlanta plays against a team coming off of a bye.
My guess is that they will not only be beaten and battered by the Giants and Eagles in the previous weeks, but they will beaten and battered by a rested and healthy Giants and Eagles team. So I have that penciled in as a win… but again, 16-0.
by jdramirez on Aug 5, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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