3 Reasons Why a QB Controversy is Coming for the Washington Redskins
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 29, 2009 12:04 AM EDT
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1.) Zorn is not sold on Campbell.
Coach Zorn recently said he 'thinks" Campbell can make the jump in production like Matt Hasselbeck did, but obviously did not go as far to say he's there. With the defense rolling, the front office will not be patient to ride out Jason Campbell through the end of the year. The Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez fiascos are obvious proof of this.
2.) Colt Brennan vs Todd Collins.
People want to talk about the RT being the #1 competition in training camp. I disagree. Whoever wins the RT spot will be adequate. The REAL battle is for the #2 Quarterback spot. If Colt is the next Jay Cutler gun-slinger this pre-season and wins the job from TC, that brings Campbell's number of games to keep his job down dramatically. I can already imagine the hundreds of forums and blogs headlining "START COLT NOW!!" week three if Campbell has anything less than five total touchdowns (and Colt is #2 on the depth chart).
3.) The fact Colt is playing the majority of the pre-season games.
There is no real reason to sit Campbell. He is still learning this offense and needs competitive field time with Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly. In addition, the Redskins added multiple, new offensive lineman. I would think the Redskins' coaching staff would want to give the "starting" offense as much time as possible together to work out all the kinks, especially since Zorn and Campbell said they added another 80 offensive plays over the OTAs. It seems to me that Zorn wants to give Colt as much time as possible to assess his skills and have him ready to play when if Campbell falters.
All that aside. I do feel for Todd Collins. He is the proto-typical Joe Gibbs-like Super Bowl QB. He's not flashy, but he throws a great ball, makes few mistakes, and is smart on the field. #15 jerseys aren't cash machines and since the Redskins are looking for a "long-term" solution, TC really has no chance at ever seeing the #1 spot for consecutive games.
Of course, I don't think the QB controversy will be as epic as the Jay Schroeder vs Doug Williams one, which ESPN ranked #7 of all time [Video]
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Problem Solver
Redskins have always been known for throwing their quarterbacks to the wolves, exactly what they have done with Jason Campbell. Good quarterback – yes, ready to be a starter when he replaced Mark Brunell – no. But now he is the starter and they have a decent back up in Todd Collins. If they would leave things as they are and start grooming Colt Brennan to be their future starter. But don’t be so quick getting rid of Campbell, he does have talent but thrown into a bad situation. The problem solver is train them to be quarterbacks before they actually are and stop bringing in "so called " celebrity veterns who are just finishing out their career. Go back to the basics of building from the ground up and they will someday again be holding a Super Trophy. And leave Michael Vick to compete against J.P. Losman in Las Vegas.
It seems like every 2 seasons the Redskins are building from the ground up. Spurrier, Schotenhiemer, Gibbs, Zorn etc. etc. Consistency is needed.
Thet picture
Did anyone beside myself see the movie “Bruno”? If they were in pink (not that they have to be) this is like straight (and I use the term lightly) out of that movie.
Campbell in Preseason
“He is still learning this offense and needs competitive field time with Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly. "
I agree 100%.
So if Campbell can’t produce, why not let Colt sit and learn for one more season (Aaron Rodgers style) whilst MIKE VICK runs a muck.
Also, can JC17 be considered a bust? After all he was a high first round draft pick that plays the most important position on the football field. He hasn’t lead the team to the playoffs. Just wondering
Wouldn’t consider him a bust… but he hasn’t lived up to his full potential (prob due to several contributing factors- i.e. new offensive schemes, poor WR/OL play, and inconsistent management).
JJ Fe
Campbell/Zorn
but he hasn’t lived up to his full potential (prob due to several contributing factors- i.e. new offensive schemes, poor WR/OL play, and inconsistent management).
Wouldn’t that be all the more reason to give Campbell a lot of snaps in pre-season?
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 29, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
yes,
I believe that all developing QBs should play as much PREseason as possible (minus the 3rd/4th “lets see who has potential” quarters)
and with this still a relatively young QB, he should be allowed to take more snaps in preseason to ascertain if he will pan out for the season or not… the more snaps you have to go off of, the easier it will be to see if the team needs to go in a different direction or not…
JJ Fe
I dont know what to believe
I believe that all developing QBs should play as much PREseason as possible (minus the 3rd/4th "lets see who has potential" quarters)
Wouldn’t Campbell fall under the category of ‘developing QB.’ I want to see him succeed and giving him a lot of pre-season ball would help. Maybe rotate Colt and JC every other game. I realize I’m not a coach….training camp start yet?
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I should add...
That as a fan, I think campbell will do well, and I’m hoping for it, but everything is pointing against it. Lavar predicted on his radio show “100% chance Campbell is not a Redskins next year”
he knows the organization better than any of us do
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 29, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And he owns a crystal ball.
’Nuff said.
by ReggieBullits on Jul 29, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It's more accurate than our crystal balls
he knows people in the organization and players.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 29, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I have yet to hear Lavar make a well-thought-out statement on his show. Do you really think that he has a tons of inside information? I’m sure he has some friends on the team, but he also has an enormous grudge to pick with the organization AND he is following Radio Sports Jock 101 by making ridiculous and controversial statements like what you quoted.
I like Dukes, but Lavar is almost painful to listen to. Plus he was defending Steelers fans in DC. Lets not use this guy as a source for anything.
He might hold a grudge against Snyder and Gibbs, not the entire organization, but he is also a skins fan. While he may say some ridiculous things on his show, so do all other media types. If you havent heard him say anything “well-thought-out” than maybe you dont listen very often. Of course he says stupid things, but he has only been on the air for a week and a half. Some of his insights are informative.
Also, Lavar said that he thinks Campbell is very talented and he thinks Campbell will make it in the NFL because he has a great arm and is talented. He would know that better than us. He said he thinks that he will not be with team next year becasue either he will have a great year and leave or Zorn will pull him early because he fears for his won job.
I don't think its that simple.
1) I think Snyder’s “pursuit” of Cutler and Sanchez was overblown by the media and Skins fans who have never seen a QB controversy they didn’t like (Florio and his protege, KevinE, respectively**). When’s last time Snyder really wanted a player and didn’t get him?
2) If Campbell and the rest of the offense struggles, he will not be back and Zorn probably won’t be either. That said, I think it would be impossible for the offense not to improve even slightly.
The O-Line has established if aging talent in Samuels and Rabach, and while the RT spot is an unknown, the depth is improved. Kelly, Thomas, and Davis also all have the potential to be above average players, their problem last season was a combination of injuries, lack of discipline, and unfamiliarity with the offense. Are the chances of those things being a factor again really that high?
Campbell cannot be called a game changer by any means, but he is also not a liability. People will disagree, but I don’t think his decision making was the main problem the offense had last year by far. If the offense improves enough to take us to the playoffs, I think Snyder and Zorn will both want Campbell back.
3) Campbell will not want to leave. I don’t think his feelings are as hurt as people want to think and why in the world would he want to go to another team with another coach and learn another system? And clearly, with a full 50% of Redskins fans (according to this poll) believing that a QB controversy is not on the way, Campbell can always rest assured that the fans have his back.
- Just playin’, KevinE
by Boo. on Jul 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I like your points. I’d contribute some of the young WRs disappointment to not being thrust into the spotlight. Players like Jackson and Royal needed to step up and were relied on heavily from the start. Thomas and Kelly were gradually worked in as they developed a feel for the offense.
Duh...
People have been saying that there is an incredibly high probability he won’t be with the team next year.
If he performs well, he’ll likely take a starting job elsewhere. If you had to work for this owner you probably would be looking for a job elsewhere after your contract year too. If he performs poorly he won’t be offered a new contract and he’ll find a back up job elsewhere.
It does seem unlikely that he’ll be here in a year, which is unfortunate. I think he has the potential to be damn good.
by TheLastStraw05 on Jul 29, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Good post
I agree that the #2 QB competition is the “REAL battle” to keep an eye on during training camp and pre-season. Stephon Heyer will be our RT, until/unless he’s injured (same as last season). Heyer knows the offense better, and we need to see if he can be our future at 25 years old. If he can, then we will be set at RT for a long time. If he can’t, then we will probably have to start looking at another option in next year’s draft.
It really looks like the pieces are in place and the stars are lining up for JC to have his career best season. Barring multiple injuries/fatalities, there won’t be many excuses for us to go into our bye week with a losing record. If that happens (and I don’t think it will), there will be a lot more fans screaming for change.
RAK EM UP!
It really looks like the pieces are in place and the stars are lining up for JC to have his career best season.
To me it all hinges on the WRs (in addition to hinging on JC himself, obviously). JC needs more/better targets.
One 5’9" downfield threat and ARE as the flanker isn’t enough.
If one or both of last year’s 2nd rounders pans out, that would be huuuuuge. If not, we’re going to struggle on offense again. Few one-dimensional offenses are successful.
Don't forget Zorn's playcalling
Last year he was limited in terms of what everyone had assimilated from his playbook. He should have twice as many play call options going into this season. Chances are that at least one of the 3 – 2nd rounders from last year – will rise up. All 3 are going into training camp prepared and healthy. JC will have more weapons then he has ever had before.
RAK EM UP!
Kevin
Stop being a campbell hater!! Is this because he’s black?? JK!!!!!
Seriously though- I’m glad all of you guys have received your crystal balls b/c mine has yet to arrive!! LOL
I predict campbell to step-it-up this year with some impressive numbers… if not, I’m gonna be wasting a selection in my Fantasy draft this year- I have FAITH in the guy… even when nobody else does!!
JJ Fe
yeah,
He’s been my fantasy B/U for the last couple of years… seemed to give me consistent numbers. Felt fairly confident with him coming in for the week while Brees or Brady had an off week.
JJ Fe
Voted No
The schedule looks too easy early in the season with STL, KC, and TB at home and DET away in the first six weeks. I think a conservative, defense focused game plan wins these games…and JC is the best QB choice to pull this off. He will limit turnovers and hand the ball off to Portis plenty (lots of annoying runs on 3rd and 4, then sending in Hunter Smith to play the field position game against an overmatched offense). I can see ARE fair catching lots of punts too. The other two games in the first six are at NYG and at CAR, both winnable games. I’m guessing the Skins are 4-2 or maybe 5-1 heading into the week 7 home game verse PHI (another winnable game even with a poor offensive showing). We are prolly looking at 5-2 or worst case 4-3 heading into the Week 8 bye, I doubt we are switching QBs at that point. Even at 4-3, I can’t see the majority of the fan base calling for a QB change in Week 8. If Colt plays well in preseason, I could see more of a fan push for him to be the starter in Week 1 verse Week 8. Zorn has already said how much stronger Colt is this year and that he had limiting hip and knee issues last year. Plus Zorn asked to draft Colt.
The Irony
“I just got a Rams/Pete Kendall flashback.”
Yes, one play made at least a 7 point swing and more than like 10 points since a short field goal was in the making. The Skins should have been 9-7.
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 29, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
If I was Florio…I would have wrote:
My source in Cambodia tells me that Zorn and Colt Brennan have had secret talks about finding ways to make Campbell fail in training camp. They’ve talked about unscrewing his cleats and letting a Tiger loose in the lockerroom.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 29, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell me
Coach Zorn recently said he thinks Campbell can make the jump in production like Matt Hasselbeck did, but obviously did not go as far to say he’s there.
How does this quote demonstrate that Zorn is not sold on Campbell? I took out your inferring quotation marks.
3 reasons a qb controversy is already here
1. People are ridiculous with their infatuation with colt.
2. Dan Snyder is a dip shit
3. We are not patient as fans
by travisjh86 on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Haha
that is much more sweet and to the point. definitely true.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Since we're quoting ex-Redskins who may/may not have crystal balls
I’m gonna go 180 degrees in the other direction and plant my flag firmly in Theismann’s camp. There will be no QB controversy and JC will make the Pro Bowl.
Sugar
Sugar made a great point when I was talking to him last night that Campbell was a Pro-Bowl nominee when the Skins had that great 6-2 start. Another year under Zorn….we should see some real success. It’s the reason I’m going to every game.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Really?
Every player is a pro bowl nominee. The season is 16 games, not 8 games. How is that a great point?
b/c you vote in the middle of the season, DUH
He was just saying JC looked/played like a pro bowler for the first 8 games, so he has it in him
Damn right you have a quarterback controversy
You Skin fans need your head examined. You saw Brennan in preseason last year.He won the starting job outright last year, Forget this year. You can say preseason is not like the regular season, all you want but it is used to evaluate players at every position. If you compare the preseason stats between Campbell and Brennan they speak for themselves on who the starter should be. Skin fans use to be know their stuff,what happened?
u have to be kidding me?
Going against 3rd string defenses who dont make the final cuts is a little different than going against Ray Lewis and Ed Reed.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 29, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So True
Couldn’t have said it better
by williamhudsonlink on Aug 16, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
QB questions loom large for us
I just hope that JC can start the season like last year and carry it to the end..I do think that the “D” this year will be outstanding and we can only hope that it holds the other teams down on scoring so that whatever comes our way we can still score enough on offense to win the close games we tend to loose too many games by 3-7 points so that we can be better than .500 this year.
Not exactly KevinE
Brennan started a couple of preseason games going against first team defenses. True he came off the bench too,but when he did that he brought the Skins back from behind. Try actually watching preseason this year.Eventually everybody plays in the regular season. We will see then. As a Steeler fan I can assure you that there was no winning another Superbowl, untill number 7 dropped to pick 11. You got something in Brennan,he makes the Skins look explosive. He makes a much quicker decision then Campbell.
you are a steeler fan?
You must have some ulterior motive to your post?!? and I must have missed that part where Brennan made us look “explosive”… the kid had guts and gumption; but I wouldn’t mistake that for “explosiveness.” Are you sure you weren’t watching Tebow play down at UF or something? You know he is God’s next of kin right?
JJ Fe
Stay on the Steelers blog
Colt did not face ANY first team defenses. Not only did I watch all the games….(and was there)…but I just spent the time to check back with game recaps…Colt did not see 1st team D’s
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 29, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK Skin Guys
Whatever you think,I guess the next option is Mike Vick?
No, Campbell....he'll surprise.
Skins averaged 16 points a game last year, with their D…all they need is to get that average up to the 21-24 mark. JC and the WRs worked ALL off-season together and the # of plays they added are almost tripled. It’s almost impossible the offense won’t be better.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 30, 2009 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Skins are headed nowhere with Campbell
You know it,I know it and worst of all your coach knows it. Your owner better make a move now before the season starts because Campbell starting at quarterback don’t equal playoffs.
And you met who in the first round of the playoffs ???
Skin fans used to know it’s the playoffs or the entire season is considered a failure.
Campbell
He had ONE wide receiver and about 3 1/2 offensive lineman. Dude deserves a fair shot. We’ll find out this year.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 30, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And he is going to get his shot...
But if the skins are 6-2, dont go proclaiming JC MVP, like so many skins fans did last year. He has to prove he can do it a full season, which he has never done.
Come on KevinE
You actually went there I see. Is that really the gold digger or you just posting any kind of crap? You can say what you want but #7 is a Superbowl winning QB. Can you say the same for Campbell? The writing is already on the wall,you just have to want to see it.
yea
I was gonna say…i’ve always loved #7.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 31, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
After a closer examination.......................
…..ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww that’s his sister for real.
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