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Jarmon stands 6-foot-3, 279 pounds, and was widely regarded as the best defensive player on his college team. He ran his 40-yard dash in around 4.8.

over 2 years ago Superbowl_tiny Kevin Ewoldt 42 comments 2 recs  | 

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Atleast the team is trying to shore up one of the lines. Building a D line that can get to the QB without blitzing=Win. Like the giants.

I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble

by CptChaosSidekick on Jul 16, 2009 2:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yes, which again brings the question to play

Was Cutler and Sanchez top prizes and how did the Redskins not get it?

Overall it appears a smart move, a 3rd round draft pick, some thought he would go as high as the second round.

by dr WNC on Jul 16, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 is too high...

Especially since it’ll be an early 3, haha.

by JimmyK on Jul 16, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Third round pick for next year has just been used

Typical. I expect first and second round picks to start ans third round picks to at least get playing time. I see this as a depth pick only. Maybe they plan to release Wynn. We def need to make the playoffs and force the pick to be late third round.

by liger99 on Jul 16, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Training camp

just got a lot more interesting at LDE. Orakpo at OLB might be more likely now also (at least for this year).

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jul 16, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

if...

they put a rookie 3rd rounder on the field this season…Demetric Evans will be the most-missed member of last year’s team

by terpsez11 on Jul 17, 2009 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least its a drafted player

Jarmon would have been picked higher in the normal draft if he had been eligible. He will play eventually and could be valuable depth behind Carter, Wynn, and Daniels, one or more of whom might be done next year.

This move isn’t like trading a future draft pick for an overrated vet. This is a farsighted move that is representative of exactly the direction we want this team to go.

Plus it makes next year’s decision between drafting an O-lineman or continuing to re-up the D-line a little easier.

by Boo. on Jul 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

+1

I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble

by CptChaosSidekick on Jul 16, 2009 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This pick is huge for us

We need young defensive linemen. Philip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn are one-year patches. We basically added two extremely young pass rushers with serious abilities this year with Orakpo and Jarmon. I would love to see us use next year’s #1 on a stud offensive lineman.

by Ken Meringolo on Jul 16, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Dream senario

I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble

by CptChaosSidekick on Jul 16, 2009 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Taken from espn & I agree fully

The reason the Redskins needed to look for a young defensive end is because they have too much age at the left end spot of their defensive line. Phillip Daniels is 36 and Renaldo Wynn is 34. The Redskins can develop Jarmon over the next year to take over the starting job and maybe help at defensive tackle on passing downs.

I’d quote it but can’t via mobile. Thus building for the future begins… I hope.

I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble

by CptChaosSidekick on Jul 16, 2009 4:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

Andre Carter isn’t exactly a spring chicken either. Jarmon “has the frame to get up to 295”, so he could potentially play some DT if necessary.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jul 16, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I LIKE it

especially since we actually USED our pick. I think this guy would’ve gone higher in next year’s draft, so this is probably a steal. And now we have pretty young depth at D-line. Once the old crusties retire we could have a rotation of Jarmon, Carter, and Orakpo. All 3 pass rushers. Very nice.

by CJHutch on Jul 16, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Jarmon

needs to get on the Orakpo/Daniels workout regiment.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jul 16, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I like it

Sometimes I think relying on Wynn/Daniels to hold down the Base End spot is even more dubious than expecting one of RT candidates to turn into a above average starter. This gives us more depth this year from a guy who seems perfectly suited for the Daniels role of solid run end with some pass rush skills who can move inside on third down. Plus next year it no sure thing Carter will be back or any good and that leaves just Orapko at the DE spot. JJ with a year experience will probably be better suited to start for us in 2010-2011 than any third round DE we draft next summer would be. If it pans out we don’t need to invest any high draft picks or serious FA dollars on a DE next year and we’ll have our bookends of the future. Plus our best answer for the RT position is to use one of our top 2 draft picks next year to get a young talented dude and this trade doesn’t affect that plan at all as it saves the top 2 picks and diminishes another big need. Finally we are planning ahead and using our draft picks to bolster the line play.

by BayAreaBullet on Jul 17, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

kinda

Makes ya wonder who’s running things, huh? Drafting TWO stud D-linemen in ONE offseason, after going 10+ years without drafting any? Surely Snyrrato is/are locked in a utility shed somewhere in Six Flags while some junior scout is running the War Room.

by CJHutch on Jul 17, 2009 12:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

haha

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Jul 17, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

as long as

Albert’s motor is running and he gets the usual dbl-team…nothing is dubious about this defense

by terpsez11 on Jul 17, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stockpiling Pass Rushers

has helped the last 2 Super Bowl teams overcome some shoddy O-lines. I can’t remember the last time we had a dominant pass rush.

by BayAreaBullet on Jul 17, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m still not sure about this pick. If we make the playoffs then it is a steal pickup, making it a late third round pick. However, we need Tackles in the draft next year. If we have a late first and late second round pick we are going to have an issue drafting an impact LT. A late first pick should get us a decent RT assuming the draft depth is the same as past drafts. Having the third round pick would allow us to trade up in the first round to get an LT quality player to play RT (and maybe replace Samuels down the road). Then the second round can be used on a DE who is rated higher then Jarmon.

by liger99 on Jul 17, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

So you wanna continue

sacrificing draft picks? You sound like Vinnie. WE can def. get a Tackle prospect at the end of the first round. NO need to mortgage a whole draft to get 1 player. Plus JJ with 1 year experience will be more likely to start than any second rounder we draft next year. HOw about we keep on using all of our draft picks on players?

by BayAreaBullet on Jul 17, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

the three LTs in the draft this year went in the top 8 picks (#2, 6, and 8). The Ravens had to trade up three spots to #23 to draft the next tackle, Oher, who is only an RT. If we have the 25-28th pick next year, then we are looking at having to trade up most likely to get a quality RT….then we are still looking for someone to eventually replace Samuels. In order to move up the the LT draft range, we will need to have the third round pick to trade. The other option is to sign an FA LT that will cost about 50M. I don’t see any other reasonable way to get an LT.

by liger99 on Jul 17, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oher is a LT prospect

and was available in the 20’s. Even if we only get a RT prospect thats fine cuz then we have a starting RT with Heyer or whoever as a backup. Then we can think about getting a LT the next year when Samuels will be done. I agree the only way to get a LT is through the draft but we will need to replace both tackles over the next 3 seasons so no big worry if we can only fill the RT need(the greater/more urgent one) next draft and thencan revisit the LT in the 2011 draft. When we need depth and starters on both lines no need to waste multiple picks on the same player. Thats the thinking that almost had Snyder draftying Sanchez.

by BayAreaBullet on Jul 17, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

I think late 1st round picks are actually the most valuable picks, in terms of cost/risk. Their contracts are so much more reasonable, and their success rate isn’t THAT far off top 10 or top 15 picks.

by smutsboy1 on Jul 20, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The issue would be that there is not any depth at OT in next years draft. In 2006 there was only one drafted in the first round and just three in 2007. In 2008 we moved out of the 21st spot with OTs on the board, but the quality may have been iffy (ATL did take an OT with the pick). 2008 was the draft were there were 14 trades in the first round due to lack of depth. This year Bal had to trade up to get the last decent OT on the board (4 drafted first round). Fat Andre Smith failed at the combine, but was still drafted #6. IMO most teams know that it is cheaper/better to get an LT or RT in the draft and this potentially inflates their draft position. The Redskins are basically broadcasting their need to an OT the next draft, so any wise GM will look to move ahead of them if the crop looks thin. Basically I’m saying that the Skins have gotten themselves into a position where the have to draft an Ot next year and if the draft is thin then they are going to have to reach for one and/or have to trade up to beat other teams to the punch.

by liger99 on Jul 20, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we have the 25-28th pick next year

I was drinking soda when I read that, and it came out my nose.

by JimmyK on Jul 17, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But thus scenario isn’t really sacrificing a draft pick. It’s more like using the draft pick on a young player with plenty of upside.

I mean it’s not like the pick was traded for an old DE that will be on the team for only a year, he is a young player…

by Adi C on Jul 18, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st of all

I’ve read plenty of places where he is rated a 2nd round talent. DE’s usually go higher as well, so who knows. 2nd of all, YES we need more O-line depth, but I disagree that we need more DT’s than DE’s. Haynesworth, Gholston, and Montgomery will be here awhile, and Alexander could be too. The same can not be said of Carter, so we probably need another starter opposite Orakpo. Or, if they use Orakpo at OLB, then need starters at both DE spots. I think this was a forward thinking, gutsy move. I just want to know who made it.

by CJHutch on Jul 17, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Good Post CJ

Without this trade the DE spot would be a bigger area of concern next year than the RT. We don’t have a single person on our roster capable of playing base end when WYnn/Daniels leave so we would have had to expend alot of resources on DE next year. Now we can spend those resources on RT. Both lines are important we shouldn’t apply the same backwards thinking to the D-line that we bemoan towards the O-line.

by BayAreaBullet on Jul 17, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not everyone is high on Jarmon

Redskins Insider said Cerrato had him pegged as a 2nd rounder….

Sporting News…not so much:

Weaknesses: Is not an explosive pass rusher, limiting his ability to defeat offensive tackles. Struggles to threaten the corner as a pass rusher, and lacks a variety of pass-rush moves…His lack of explosiveness makes Jarmon a mid-round prospect.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-07-16/redskins-select-jarmon-nfl-supplemental-draft

by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 20, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I shouldn't even link to this SN article

It’s written by “Sporting News staff”…that could be a custodian in the WAC for all we know. Forget i even said it

by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 20, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...
Based on film study, he has the talent to become a good NFL strong-side end whose strength will be playing the run.

So we spent a 3rd on a 21-year old Phillip Daniels (at least)? I can live with that.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jul 20, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

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