Hogs Haven: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Around SBN: Can Tebow Say No To Anything?

Should the Redskins be Looking at Former Chiefs CB Patrick Surtain

610x_medium

Good morning Redskins fans.  I'm coming here from Arrowhead Pride to give you the lowdown on former Kansas City Chiefs CB Patrick Surtain.  There's been some talk, or Tweets, that Washington should be taking a look at Surtain to provide some depth at the corner position.  

What we do know is that, as the Washington Post reported, the Redskins have not contacted Surtain.  There's also a rumor floating around that the Denver Broncos are interested in his services. 

quick search on Arrowhead Pride shows we've talked about Surtain.  A lot.  He was the topic of many conversations over the past year.  However, it usually wasn't a good thing.  42 days after Scott Pioli was hired as the Chiefs new GM, Surtain and a number of other over-the-hill veterans were given the boot.  

The move can be viewed one of two ways.  A) Surtain was a salary cap casualty as he was due $7 million in 2009 and this netted us $6.184 million in cap space (like we need it) or B) he's a 33 year old corner who couldn't win his job back from rookie and 5th round draft pick Brandon Carr.  My take?  A combination of both.  There's no doubt Surtain has lost a step but then again his salary was set to be one of the highest on the team.

What can he do for the Redskins?

After the jump we detail his tenure with the Chiefs and his current status >>>

Star-divide

At this point, he's solely a role player.  His starting days are behind him and signing him should certainly be considered a risk.  He appeared in eight games last season and only started two.  He also appeared on the injury list 11 times.  Things like injury don't usually get better with age particularly when you're in a position predicated on speed.  

I talked with your fearless leader, Kevin, a little bit about the 'Skins corner situation.  Two starters locked up, a capable veteran and a third round pick behind them.  If you want my opinion, Surtain should only be in Washington if you're worried about injuries to your current crop.

Then again, he can provide another important component of the offseason preparation.  I'll quote our former soundbyte machine head coach, Herm Edwards: "Competition.  It's a good thing."  The more competition you can create, the better.  Creating competition at every position is the hallmark of a Bill Parcells/Bill Belichick regime.  In that aspect, Surtain would be worth signing as training camp fodder.

Surtain's tenure with the Chiefs

When the Chiefs signed him in 2005, we were one year removed from a 13 win season and in the middle of one of the best three year stretches of offensive production in NFL history.  Surtain was viewed as a savior to one of the worst defenses in the league.  Jason Whitlock of the Kansas City Star famously claimed Law's arrival would result in a Super Bowl appearance for the Chiefs (He also said the Chiefs should Jeff George....about two weeks ago).

His first season with the Chiefs was more in line with his career average, snagging four picks and batting down 12 passes.  After that, the decline started.  If he started his dip in statistical rankings three years ago, don't get your hopes up that this will change in '09.  It probably won't.

To recap: He's older, battled injuries last season, has lost a step in a position that requires an extra step and couldn't win his job back from a 5th round rookie.

Here's a few places on AP where we've talked about Surtain:

July 9th: Is the depth of the secondary a concern with the loss of Surtain?

July 8th: Are the Denver Broncos looking at Surtain?

February 24th: Chiefs release Surtain

February 6th: Chiefs salary cap situation: Surtain most likely casualty

December 15th: Video: Surtain takes back an interception for a touchdown

Poll
Who would you rather see the Redskins use as a replacement if there is an injury to the secondary?
Patrick Surtain (league minimum contract)
74 votes
Justin Tryon
93 votes

167 votes | Poll has closed

0 recs  |  Comment 14 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Geez..I had no idea his injuries were that extensive

After hearing all this on Surtain…I don’t think he’s worth even the league minimum. Skins have some depth in their youth with Justin Tryon, whom I would trust more dropping back in coverage. I can’t see Surtain keeping up with any of the WRs in the NFC East.

by KevinE on Jul 16, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's mostly just last season

But those things don’t get better with age.

by Joel Thorman on Jul 16, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Justin Tryon

I really hope he’s not the next Ade Jimoh…

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jul 16, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Tomahawk here from Arrowhad Pride also

Surtain def. does not have it in him anymore . The guy has no speed at all..he was run down at the 1 yard line by Phillip Rivers after intercepting him and hes the man that got beat deep to start the Chargers crazy comeback to beat us at Arrowhead..Great write up Prime!

by tomahawk44 on Jul 16, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice write-up

I was worried that he would be just good enough to be overpriced, and just old and slow enough to not be worth it. Typically these are the players that are in our freaking wheelhouse and we sign. But what the Skins need to do is develop Barnes and Tryon and they are already somewhat buried behind Hall, Rogers, and Smoot. So I say no, but if this guy is available in Week 6 or 7 still and someone on our squad goes down, he is probably worth a look to keep some depth on our bench.

by Ken Meringolo on Jul 16, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

seriously?

Assuming Surtain was league minimum…you’d want him out there over Tryon? Given Joel’s writeup and tomahawk’s comment, it would be more effective to move Albert Haynesworth to cornerback instead.

by KevinE on Jul 16, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Hitter

I always thought P. Surtain was a big hitter and not much of a cover guy.

by Elaw6 on Jul 16, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

With his speed (or rather lack thereof)

the only guys he’ll be hitting will be the opponent’s offensive linemen as they mow his ass down on a screen play.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Thanks for the write-up, but I was never worried about him coming to the Skins. I’m happy with our depth at cornerback, especially with the new young guys J.T. and Kevin.

by SSBlitz on Jul 16, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't

even know we were looking at him, but I think it would be absurd to sign him. For what we would use him for, it doesn’t make sense to sign a high priced veteran. At best, he would be the 5th corner. I think Barnes will work himself into the mi, maybe even jump ahead of Smoot. Who knows how Tryon will do, but I can’t imagine him covering any worse than a 33 year old broken down CB. I don’t see any reason to sign Surtain, or any other vet CB unless 1 or 2 injuries pop up.

by CJHutch on Jul 17, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We're not looking at him...

Just a ‘what if’ scenario

by KevinE on Jul 20, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OIC

guess I misread the write-up. Then I’ll just leave it at ‘what if NOT’.

by CJHutch on Jul 20, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Media Requests please email hogshaven[at]gmail.com
Start posting about the Redskins »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

Comcast NFL RedZone Moments from SB Nation

Music City Miracles
Tennessee Titans Red Zone Report
Bleeding Green Nation
Comcast NFL Red Zone stat of the week - Something doesn't have to give
Niners Nation
49ers Red Zone numbers: How effective are they?

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
How Soon We Forget...

Recent FanPosts

Lavarr_small
How would you guys feel about a Drafted Defense and a FA Offense in 2010.
Small
Brandon Marshall would be a good fit for this team
Cooley_small
QB Jason Campbell. Love him or Hate him?
Small
Adversity Makes Great NFL QBs
Sean_taylor_small
LT if he does get released
Sidney-harbour-australia_small
3 Years in a Row
6412_1079726164299_1560642125_201533_8358678_s_small
Peyton Manning you deserve no respect
Small
Please JC haters wake up !! You might win in spite of a rookie QB, not because of him...
Lavarr_small
2008 Falcons = 2010 Redskins
Davis_small
Congratulations to Greg Williams and the New Orlean Saints!

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Latest NFL Headlines from SB Nation

Mocking The Draft
Morgan Burnett NFL Draft scouting report
Mocking The Draft
A case for Sam Bradford going first overall
Turf Show Times
TSTocracy - Feb. 10th

SPONSORS


Managers

Superbowl_small KevinE

Riggins_small Ken Meringolo

H2_logo_b_small Sugar

Authors

Hogshaven_small Skin Patrol

Small mmford10