Washington Redskins By the Numbers: #22 - Carlos Rogers, Curtis Jordan
by Ken Meringolo on Jun 25, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
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We have fallen behind...ok, I have fallen behind. For a series that was designed to help us mine content during the offseason, we have found ways to make articles about forgotten kickers fun...to write (hopefully it was fun to read about Ali Haji-Sheikh, Reggie Roby and of course, Tom Tupa's dad.)
It will be time for training camp soon enough so we need to pick up some serious steam. What we will do going forward is put together our pick for the number of the day (or numbers of the day) and then as we are able to fill in with interviews and stories, we will update/re-post. As always, we remind you that we aren't naming the greatest Redskin to ever wear the jersey. Think of this as more of the game you might play on a road trip, trying to name a Redskin for each number. We'll throw out one or two, and you fill in the rest, with your own stories and opinions, as well as anything else going on that day. We would love to get through 99 this summer, so efforts must be doubled.
#22 - Carlos Rogers
I am not too old to remember the name Curtis Jordan, but I am too young to remember much more than the name. He was drafted the year I was born (1976). Carlos Rogers is the obvious #22 today. When we drafted him #9 overall back in the 2005 draft, I remember thinking how much we needed a cover corner to come in and be a stud for us. Pacman Jones and Antrel Rolle went ahead of him to Tennessee and Arizona respectively, despite Rogers winning the Jim Thorpe Award for being the nation's top defensive back in the 2004 collegiate season.
There were those who doubted he was the best pick for us in that draft. And we have all witnessed him struggle with bringing the ball down when the interceptions have been there. But this past season he stepped up in a major way, coming off the knee injury.
The contract situation remains a bit dicey. But only for Carlos it seems. The word on the street is that the league is going to enter an uncapped year next year. If that is true, Carlos, who is entering the final year of his contract (same as JC), wil NOT be an unrestricted free agent, as he will not have the required service in the league to do so. This explains why Carlos may have been antsy to get his new deal from the Redskins (or anyone else) in the last year.
So I am hard-pressed to call this a contract year, but here's hoping that Rogers does what most NFL players seem to be capable of these days--putting together his best year with all his future money on the line.
#22 - Carlos Rogers
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I think he’ll have more than 3 picks, but I think Hall will lead the team (and hopefully the league).
by SSBlitz on Jun 25, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Beat me to it
I agree, and I think Landry and Horton will make some big-time plays too. Last season I was hardly ever worried when team passed on us cause the coverage was so good. With just a little bit of a pass rush the turnovers will come.
by Boo. on Jun 25, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, more than three but hall will lead the team in INT’s and getting burned
by travisjh86 on Jun 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Carlos is a very good corner no doubt, but we’ve seen what Hall can do so far. It would be a pleasant surprise if Carlos gets more than Hall.
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
by Rekka on Jun 25, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rogers and Hall
are both going to have MONSTER years (IMO). With a D-line and LB corps that can finally bring the heat, our CBs won’t be running around like headless chickens for 33 seconds on every passing play. Rogers is in a contract year and Hall will be playing with an edge. They are both capable of playing at an elite level.
I agree with SSBlitz. Hall is a ball hawk and will inherently have more INTs (with Landry watching his back). But, I do believe Rogers will improve and have more than 3 INTs. Barring injuries, I also believe both will have Pro-Bowl seasons.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By that description...
19-0!!! I actually agree with everyone’s comments…D should be a real force.
Man..gona be an interesting year, ugh this no-sports-but-baseball stretch is so rough. Why can’t there be a reality show with Jeff George on through these slow months?
by KevinE on Jun 25, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
D looks good
But our offense is a huge question mark.
And yeah, this “no-sports-but-baseball stretch” SUCKS!!
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
soccer my friends, soccer.
Gold Cup is about to start. Nothing like watching us beat on Team Mexico.
by smutsboy1 on Jun 25, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll start watching when 0-0 ties (or any tie for that matter) is no longer tolerated
by pas493 on Jun 25, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
confederations cup is on too, i don’t understand why soccer is hated on by so many people
by travisjh86 on Jun 25, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should be a fun match - US vs. Brazil.
Brazil looks vulnerable.
Check out these games:
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by matthiasstephan on Jun 26, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying there's a chance....
Hey, if we can beat the #1 team in the world, we can beat anyone right?
by Ken Meringolo on Jun 26, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha what? they smoked us last week.
by smutsboy1 on Jun 26, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah we’re playing brazil in the finals, we beat spain (even though they dominated us) who is number one in the world, now we’ll get our asses handed to us again against brazil
by travisjh86 on Jun 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have a tendency to underestimate the opposition.
They played poorly (although winning) against South Africa in the semis, a game they should have won easily. They also didn’t do well against Egypt in the group.
Having beaten the US easily in group, they might overlook a US team with a lot of momentum. If we can keep more than 10 players on the field, yeah, we have a chance.
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by matthiasstephan on Jun 27, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
- I’m at work at 2 PM when the games are on
- Gold Cup is everyone’s reserve players
- If there was a FIFA game going on in my front yard I would move to my back yard
Its not that people hate soccer, its just that it is very boring to Americans.
by pas493 on Jun 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After trying to watch
the Brazil vs. South Africa game last night (for like 5 minutes), I came to these 3 conclusions:
1) They need to reduce the size of the field in half.
2) They need to reduce the time length of the game in half.
And most importantly…
3) You have to be catatonic in order to watch a full soccer game.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 26, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’s actually non stop action, unlike football and baseball.
good action doesn’t need to be validated by frequent goal scoring.
by smutsboy1 on Jun 29, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you’ll watch the knockout stages?
cool.
by smutsboy1 on Jun 26, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rogers
gambling on next season being uncapped (and therefore taking plays off) would be downright foolish. I think he has demonstrated by his words and actions this off-season (especially voluntary OTAs) that he fully understands what is at stake.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BOOOOO!!!
Thats all Rogers will be hearing, AGAIN, this year. I will never forgive him for dropping a SURE PICK-6 against the Seahawks in the playoff game in 05. hE COULDN’T CATCH A COLD standing buck-naked in 22 degree weather.
If he wants out, let him go. He is a BUST as far as 1st round (top 10) picks go.
Shawne Merriman vs Carlos Rogers….Why didn’t vinny go after the local boy?
We should have traded him this year prior to the draft and got our second round pick that we lost on Jason Taylor.
Guess who is only pick- 6 is against. THE LOWLY LIONS, with about 2 minutes left in a blowout game.
Darrell Green had a career
Champ Bailey was a monster
Smoot shows up (from time to time)
DeAngelo Had more picks in fewer games with the team than Rogers
Rogers should go get burned and drop picks for some other team.
- belongs to someone else.
by Elaw6 on Jun 25, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why didn’t vinny go after the local boy?
hindsight is truly impressive.
by smutsboy1 on Jun 25, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don’t you stop looking at his interceptions and look at his covering skills dipshit
he’s a better cover corner than hall, just doesn’t have good hands
by travisjh86 on Jun 25, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
Judging CBs strictly on INTs is absolutely moronic. If that were the only benchmark, DeAngelo Hall would have been considered a top 5 corner LAST year…
NFL Leaders: Interceptions (Thru Dec. 28, 2008)
Rank Player Team Stats
1 Ed Reed, Bal, 9
2t Nick Collins, GB, 7
2t Michael Griffin, Ten, 7
2t Troy Polamalu, Pit, 7
2t Charles Woodson, GB, 7
6t Oshiomogho Atogwe, StL, 5
6t Jason David, NO, 5,
6t Cortland Finnegan, Ten, 5
6t Andre’ Goodman, Mia, 5
6t DeAngelo Hall, Was, 5
6t Brandon McDonald, Cle, 5
6t Darrelle Revis, NYJ, 5
6t Tramon Williams, GB, 5
14t Ronde Barber, TB, 4
14t Melvin Bullitt, Ind, 4
14t Stephen Cooper, SD, 4
14t Chris Hope, Ten, 4
14t Sean Jones, Cle, 4
14t Rashean Mathis, Jac, 4
14t Brandon Meriweather, NE, 4
14t Terence Newman, Dal, 4
14t Jarrad Page, KC, 4
14t Kevin Payne, Chi, 4
14t Jacques Reeves, Hou, 4
14t Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Ari, 4
14t Asante Samuel, Phi, 4
14t Gerald Sensabaugh, Jac, 4
14t Aqib Talib, TB, 4
14t Josh Wilson, Sea, 4
NFL Leaders: Passes Defensed (Thru Dec. 28, 2008)
Rank Player Team Stats
1t Leon Hall, Cin, 24
1t Carlos Rogers, Was, 24
1t Asante Samuel, Phi, 24
1t Corey Webster, NYG, 24
5 DeAngelo Hall, Was, 21
6 Ron Bartell, StL, 20
7t Chris Gamble, Car, 19
7t Andre’ Goodman, Mia, 19
7t Quentin Jammer, SD, 19
7t Jacques Reeves, Hou, 19
7t Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Ari, 19
12 Terrence McGee, Buf, 18
13t Cortland Finnegan, Ten, 17
13t Brandon McDonald, Cle, 17
13t Troy Polamalu, Pit, 17
13t Charles Tillman, Chi, 17
13t Charles Woodson, GB, 17
18t Chris Houston, Atl, 16
18t Dwight Lowery, NYJ, 16
18t Ed Reed, Bal, 16
18t Darrelle Revis, NYJ, 16
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 25, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why don’t you START looking at his INTERCEPTIONS (or lack there of) instead of cover skills, faggot?
An INTERCEPTION changes the face of a game. It can take away/give momentum to a team. DHALL did just that when he PICKED OFF Romo and Manning.
As Far as coverage skills….I think Plaxico just gained another 15 yards on Rogers….OOoops, T.O. also. Rogers has been constantly over his short, bust of a tenure in Washington.
by Elaw6 on Jun 25, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Elaw
Why so hostile? Rogers was consistently there to knock the ball down or force the QB to throw it away last season. Sure, he got burned a couple times by the top WRs in the league, but he also played well against them and others. I also agree that his dropped INTs (especially the sure-fire pick-6 against the steelers that would have completely changed that game) stand out, but there is absolutely no justification for claiming him to be a bust. He’s young and has room for improvement. I can’t stand people who post just to talk baseless shit.
by Boo. on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like someone’s vagina smells of dead babies…
so what you’re saying is we should only look at interceptions when considering cornerbacks, interceptions are a bonus that is game changing, but to be a cornerback you have to be able to COVER people
as long as we’re name calling…
NEEDLE DICK! NEEDLE DICK! NEEDLE DICK!
by travisjh86 on Jun 26, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha i guess i started the name calling, didn’t realize that
my bad
by travisjh86 on Jun 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
INTs
are just one of several variables needed to determine the real value of CBs. Some others are:
- How many times were they passed on?
- How many yards did they give up out of those pass attempts?
- How many TDs did they give up?
- How many passes were deflected out of those pass attempts?
- What was the CB’s forced incompletion percentage?
- Which WRs were they covering? The #1s, #2s, #3s…?
- How much time is the D-line leaving the CB exposed?
Despite being thrown at 105 times (3rd most in NFL) Rogers held his own. His low YPA and high forced incompletion percentage are a couple of reasons why Carlos Rogers is absolutely NOT a bust, despite defending against the best WRs in the NFL.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 26, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
Gilbert Arenas didn’t go to the same knee doctor as Carlos.
by KevinE on Jun 26, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost wish
we had cut our losses with him last year (before the mega-contract).
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 27, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my boys and i
when GS offered 100mil…we were like “take him.” So tough, Abe said we’re keeping Gil no matter what the price.
by KevinE on Jun 27, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos will lead the team AND the league in INT’s
haha. I voted this one out of sheer ridiculousness.
by smutsboy1 on Jun 25, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Thomas #22
ROY 1975 and one Pro Bowl for the Skins. He put up some good numbers for back in the 14 game season days. He should at least get a mention being we haven’t had too many ROYs. I had a sweet #22 Thomas jersey that I rocked for a few years while growing up.
by liger99 on Jun 25, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rogers
stinks in my opinion.
every big TD- Hey, whos man was that? Carlos Rogers!
by jdubz on Jun 28, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
show me all those “big-TD’s” that he gave up
by travisjh86 on Jun 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas Game 07
@ Dallas, TO ABUSED HIM (4td’s remember?)
Opening Game 08, Plaxico scorched him, dropped pick.
Cards @ Skins 08. Who did Larry Fitzgerald Smoke???
Monday NIght 08. Rogers made SANTONIO HOMES look like ART MONK
Final game of season @ SF. LAst pass play of the game. Rogers crumbled setting up a Nedney FG
WInless ST.Louis Rams at FedEx. Who did the rookie beat to set up last second field goal? #22
If you want more just ask. It was music to my ears when i heard #22 Wanted to be traded at the end of last season.
You wanna know why he was thrown on so much. Because offensive coordinators found the WEAK SPOT in the ’SKins D.
by Elaw6 on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubbish
Rogers only gave up 4 TDs ALL SEASON (despite covering #1 receivers). Your writeup implies he gave up like 8 TDs or more. These were his 2008 season totals:
105 attempts 3rd most in NFL), 5.69 YPA, 47.62 Forced INC%, 4 TDs, 2 INTs *
Translation: Carlos Rogers is a damn good Cornerback.
You wanna know why he was thrown on so much. Because offensive coordinators found the WEAK SPOT in the ’SKins D.
He was thrown on so much because the other options were Shawn Springs and DeAngelo Hall. Pick your poison.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jul 1, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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