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Are the Redskins Trying to Be Blacked Out On Local TV?

Since cars will be designated where to park at Fedex Field, Redskins' groups find new ways to travel to home games to ensure they can tail-gate together.

Since cars will be designated where to park at Fedex Field, Redskins' groups find new ways to travel to home games to ensure they can tail-gate together.

Why does it always seem like when the Redskins change the rules, the people that end up getting the most crapped on are the hardcore fans? The chances that the Redskins are ever blacked out locally are extremely low. But that doesn't seem to stop the powers that be from constantly discovering new ways to piss off the most ardent of Redskin supporters.

Before we all go off the deep end and incorrectly claim that the team is anti-tailgating, we should point out that instead of eliminating tailgating, the team is going to try and manage it the way they see best. This is of course their prerogative. So they hired a "consultant" and determined that the best way for them manage their lot is to tell us where to park.

Let's skip to the ways this sucks for the people who actually care about the team, and let's emphasize that this is our knee-jerk reaction to the rule changes. But let's contemplate for just a second who this hurts the most--the average fan who makes a day out of it on Sundays by setting up shop in the parking lot...NOT the muckity-muck who rolls in at 12:55 acting like he owns the place.

1) Getting there early and hanging out by the gates waiting for them to open will no longer get you that primo spot you and your family have been tailgating at for the last 10 years.

2) If you are not part of some "multi-tailgater" group, you will be directed by parking lot attendants into a spot of their choosing. Let's be clear, the parking lot attendants have NEVER been very helpful. They routinely act as if they don't care, EXCEPT when you question their "authority", in which case they relish the opportunity to wield the "power" they have been granted through their orange vest and orange flag. Now they are responsible for assigning seats at this party? These are the same people who could easily see a row of spots is 100% full, yet they send car after car down the row from the front of the lot, creating a nightmare for the people trying to find spots.

3) Between navigating the beltway, exiting the beltway, crossing whatever lanes of traffic necessary to end up in the proper turn lanes for the stadium, and the free-for-all lanes of traffic where everyone tries to get in the proper lane for their lot's color--keeping a group of tailgaters together seems next to impossible. Yet on the face of it, this is what you may very well have to accomplish to ensure you are able to park next to your friends.

4) If you don't all arrive together, you will NOT be able to park next to (or near) each other--allegedly.

5) The experience you have been enjoying and perfecting over the last 10 years is OVER if these rules are enforced the way they seem to be written as of now.

They will argue away all of our complaints by saying that tailgating will "still be welcome". But how do you plan for and implement a kick-ass tailgate when you can't even ensure all your people will a) know where you are, b) be able to get all the tools and ingredients to your spot, and c) not get hassled into a spot far, far away from the tailgate?

The parking lot has long been the sanctuary of the die-hard fan. I worry that the complaints of the people who think they can whiz in to the purple and orange lots at 12:45 and make 1 PM kickoff have dictated this policy change. You know...the people who are there to entertain clients, getting tax write-offs and not at all caring about the game itself.

I was recently called by the Redskins ticket office and offered 50% OFF DISCOUNTS on additional seating in my section THIS YEAR. My Uncle was called just this past Thursday and offered additional seats in his section for a deal. My father and his buddy who have been ticket holders for a while were also asked to participate in additional ticket deals. The three examples represent the upper bowl, the club level, and the lower bowl. Which means they are ALREADY having trouble selling all the tickets. What is going to happen when they piss off all of the die-hard ticket holders that have been willing to stomach all the shenanigans in recent years because they still looked forward to tailgating every week?

And I would be lacking the full "objectivity" that Mike Florio claims I don't have if I didn't mention that when they made their pitch to my Uncle and I, the Redskins' representative actually said that we should buy the additional seats and put them on StubHub to make money off of them. This is INSANE. First of all, they are basically saying, "Please buy these seats and then do our job for us by selling them yourself." The Redskins have a promotional agreement with Stubhub that nets Snyder six digits a year. So something stinks. Secondly, they are saying they don't care who buys the seats, just that they are bought. If they have 50,000 people in line to buy seats, they should not be asking me to buy extra tickets to sell on StubHub. They should be selling them to the tens of thousands of Redskins fans they claim are waiting to be called.

Seriously, how likely is it that Dan Snyder will become unable to sell that place out?

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Will the Redskins be blacked out in the DC market?
Never
421 votes
Maybe, but not in the next 10 years
111 votes
Yes, in the next 5 years
80 votes
Yes, it is closer than we all think
207 votes

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I’m having a hard time getting worked up about this.

Being closest to the stadium is a nice perk of getting there at 9 am or whatever, but it doesn’t seem like it’s an ironclad right to me, nor does it seem like the end of the world to be denied it.

Assuming this is part of a successful plan to fix the nightmare that is walking or driving through the parking lots, I don’t have a problem with this.

However if the parking lots are as big of a mess next year as they have been in the past, then screw Snyder and screw this change.

by smutsboy1 on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea, it's a tough call

We always tailgate after games too, so traffic is never an issue. It makes sense to group the tailgating, which I’m OK with…but the “last 2 rows” seems like it just won’t work. If every car is taking an extra 1-2 spots…that means, what the first 100 cars essentially get all the spots. The first few games will be rough…hopefully it works out though. The fact other stadiums do it successfully gives me some hope.

by KevinE on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Jun 23, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

it will be difficult to manage a multi-person tailgate with people arriving at different times since the parking lot attendents tell you where to go. I wonder if these guys will be the bouncers of the tailgaiting world.

by monk81 on Jun 23, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zorn

If the Skins don’t make the playoffs, that means we will have had a VERY disappointing season (Skins play STL, DET, etc). If that happens and Zorn gets canned, plus tailgating is a hassle, I’d imagine there’d be a substantial amount of season tickets that get handed in. Winning solves a lot of problems.

by KevinE on Jun 23, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's all about winning

Rules, regulations…all the Stupid shit does not matter
The team needs to be a playoff contender, this year and the future…Like they say in politics…it’s the economy Stupid
Well it’s all about winning stupid!

by dr WNC on Jun 23, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being close to the stadium is not the issue.

In the lot I tailgate in, the front and the back of the lot are only like 8-10 rows apart. The issue is being able to get there, get set up and get everyone in the same place. I am not worried about being a bit farther away from the stadium. In fact, the spot we tailgate in is buried in the middle of the lot. We tailgate after games, so we figured it made more sense to suck it up and not try and get the closest spots to the exits.

Don’t get me wrong…the idea behind getting the parking lot and traffic solved is not a bad one. But year in and year out, this organization has proven that they simply don’t execute well and I worry that when the season starts it is going to be nightmare for those people like me, who get there early not because we want to the best spot to leave from, but because we want to get the grill going and the party started in a place and way that allows for maximum enjoyment for our crew.

by Ken Meringolo on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

I mean, Southwest airlines has never had a problem with the free-for-all approach. You get there late, and yea, you’re screwed and you get the middle of the seat in the back. Guess what, everyone shows up early. If I’m coming to Fedex at 12:55pm for whatever reason then I’d expect hell to pay.

With situations like this you can’t please everyone..it just sucks the people getting there at 9am are the ones that have to take the kick in the nuts, which goes back to your article…that hard core fans.

by KevinE on Jun 23, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This shouldn’t have any affect on the hardcore fans who get there at 9 AM with an entourage of 4-6 people and only need 1 spot.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jun 23, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless

they hire enough Gumps to be able to direct everyone into exact parking spots (which I highly doubt), then it sounds like the only difference will be that your group will be in the back area now, instead of the middle. Hopefully they won’t try to be out their like nazis telling every single car where to park.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jun 23, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds like they will be directing people into spots....

like at a concert parking lot.

And what I have not said well so far with regard to their lack of execution is that they have tried to change the rules before (just not this far out).
Last season they rolled through at 9 AM on the first Sunday and started making all the people who were setting up tailgates on the edges of the parking lot break down into one spot. Fair enough. We all did. Then every person that came after 9:15 set up where and how they wanted and they never busted anyone’s balls. So the only people who got screwed for that week were the earlybirds/hardcores. The following week they tried it again and there was almost a riot.

At least this time they are trying to lay out the rules a little further out than the morning of the first game. But there is a bad taste in some people’s mouths over this because of the way they have gone about it in the past.

by Ken Meringolo on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you know this?
“Starting in the 2009 season, The Washington Redskins have designated
two (2) parking areas, Lots A1 * A2 and Lots E1-E2, at FedExField as
SUITE HOLDER PLATINUM PARKING ONLY

Leaving the stadium will also be faster, as we are introducing express
lanes for our suite owners and selected other premium customers."

So that means LESS lanes for the regular ticket holders. Seems like a recipe for shenanigans to me.

by KevinE on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bus pic, lol

Either that bus is stopped, or there is a serious nor’ easter coming in from the left.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jun 23, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol. yeah the photo is awesome.

by smutsboy1 on Jun 23, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is actually a photo of my offshore coding team arriving at work in Pakistan. Sugar used the photo without my permission.

by liger99 on Jun 23, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

I still can’t get over the guy on the phone. That actually says as much as the tailgaiting thing. I can’t believe he wanted to sell you these seats so bad, he pointed out you could get rid of them on stubhub.

by monk81 on Jun 23, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stubhub is

Probably the exact reason there were so many Steelers fans in Fedex last year. I’m trying to support Snyder but he’s corrupting the Redskins fans into becoming money hungry.

by bigrm18 on Jun 23, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the Redsksins blogger

Some of you may have already read this but…

http://blog.redskins.com/2009/06/22/details-on-the-new-parking-policies/#continued

A new FedEx Field parking lot will be opened for thousands of Washington Redskins fans with the onset of the 2009 season, the team announced today. Additionally, new post-game traffic patterns and parking policies will be implemented to improve traffic flow in parking lots and on stadium roads.
We expect to have more tailgaters than ever," said Mitch Gershman, the Redskins Chief Operating Officer. “Those who want to meet with their friends will have more space, and those who want to simply park will find it easier to do so.”

The most significant new procedure will have parking attendants directing fans who wish to tailgate in more than one space to the back of lots, where they will be allowed to occupy two spaces until required for additional vehicles. Fans who wish to only park, or tailgate within their single parking spot, will be directed to the front of lots, filling the lot from front to back. Tailgating is permitted in all lots, except Platinum. Platinum lot parkers who choose to tailgate will be provided passes for Purple lots.
“Everyone who wants to tailgate should be able to tailgate. We absolutely believe that,” Gershman said. “This is designed to improve the experience for fans who want to tailgate.”

“Our outside consultant analyzed the flow on roads and in the parking lots at FedEx Field, with cameras recording the traffic patterns. What we found was that when tailgaters spread into multiple spaces, it caused congestion in the lots, and resulted in inconvenience to everyone – the fans tailgating and the fans who were just looking to park in their assigned lots,” Gershman said.

The way it’s explained here, everything makes sense to me and seems like it should work. However, it will only work of course if the plan is executed correctly. Whether or not the parking lot attendants will be able to effectively implement this new procedure remains to be seen. To me it looks like they just want the tailgating groups in the back, and the individuals that only need one parking space in the front. However, this is coming from someone that has never been to Fedex (even though I desperately want to go) so I haven’t a clue whether or not this should work. I’m siding with the Redskins official blogger on this one.

From the Redskins official blogger and the same link as above:

As someone who has had enjoyable tailgates disrupted by people trying to park on top of my grill, I have to say that this doesn’t sound like a bad deal. And, as someone who has also shown up to games later than I intended and found multiple spots filled with tailgaters in lounge chairs, it sounds pretty good as well. Which seems like the definition of a win-win, if everything goes as it was explained to me.

What do the rest of you think about the new intended procedure after reading this press release? If you haven’t already read it of course.

by bigrm18 on Jun 23, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It sounds good in theory

As someone said earlier, if you get there at 9am when the gates open, it shouldn’t be hard to tailgate with your group of people. Fedex is primarily empty the first half hour.

My concern is, this new rule means there is a lot less grassier areas and we will now be moving into territory of other tailgaters that setup shop in the past. First couple weeks will be interesting.

by KevinE on Jun 23, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you just hit the nail on the head, Kevin...

It’s the folks who’ve been firmly established along the backline already that are going to have to “defend their turf.” It’s said that the F21 crowd will likely have to move. I think it’s a plan, if implemented correctly, that makes sense. But, implementation is another thing entirely…

by bigredsnapper on Jun 23, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

F21 is not dead yet

Don’t give up on F21 so easily. We still have time to figure it out.

by Ken Meringolo on Jun 23, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

typical Snyder

he doesn’t give a s#%t about the everyday fan. He figures he’s gonna get his quota from us anyway, and if some of us bail on him, there’s more to step up. He’s taken that ticket waiting list and turned it into a pipeline for himself. Frankly, I’m surprised he doesn’t charge a franchising fee for tailgating, or have the tailgate lots sponsored. Of course, if this was the “Official” Redskins blog, I couldn’t say that, cuz lil’ Danny would pick it right up.

by CJHutch on Jun 23, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

friends of mine are not renewing

Totally sucks about the football tailgating policy, Snyder is using, “outside consulting firms” to alienate his fan base. He’s destroyed the institution that Jack Kent Cooke built. There used to be a twenty year wait list for tickets, and now I bet he will have to give tickets away to kids groups just to “claim” the sold out status like the Broncos were doing when I was in CO.

by BufordTDiesel on Jun 24, 2009 7:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to HH.

Wouldn’t the smart thing be to wait and see what affect (if any) these changes will really have? I understand if a person can’t afford to renew their tickets. But, just assuming that tailgating is now ruined before we even see the outcome of the changes seems a bit premature, IMO.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jun 24, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Redskins fans are Little Girls

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Why don’t you cry about it a little more. In Baltimore they have been doing this since the Ravens got here and we have never had a problem tailgating. Is this seriously all you have to worry about in washington? If i were a Redskins fan, and thank god I’m not, I would be more worried about how the redskins are overpaid and suck year in and year out!!!

by RavensFan05 on Jun 24, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If that is true, then we should be okay....

I have tailgated at Ravens stadium a few times in the last few years and I have always tailgated at the same spot with the same people. Then again, I was tailgating underneath the I95 overpass, and if I recall, the lot was filled with trashcan fires and hobos wearing purple camouflage pants. Good times….

We’ll see how funny it is when the Bengals take your playoff spot this year son.

by Ken Meringolo on Jun 24, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

That’s a pretty accurate description.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jun 24, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're an idiot
In Baltimore they have been doing this since the Ravens got here

That makes things easy doesn’t it? What if they decided to change tailgating rules NOW where all tailgates HAVE to be in one area by the Camden Yards warehouse, for example?

I’m so glad I didn’t get my education in Dundalk

by KevinE on Jun 24, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You do realize...

…that you look like a total tool reading another team’s blog for the sole purpose of trolling it like a 13 year old with a low self-image right?

by Mixmy1200s on Jun 24, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

B-more

like D.C.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jun 24, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+202

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Jun 24, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New Tailgating Policy: Flag the Front Office for Illegal Procedure

I will start off by saying that the new procedure is not necessarily a bad idea. As I understand it, the reason is to co-locate tailgaters who occupy an extra spot because of canopies and such to the back of a lot, thereby allowing those who venture in after the “hard core” tailgaters are set up the ease of finding open spots. I can accept this line of reasoning.

What I find disturbing is the proposed implementation: being directed to a specific space/area of a lot. And what’s the criteria for directing people: how their vehicle is packed? I park in a single spot and tailgate behind my vehicle but because my grill/cooler combo and propane tank are tied down on a hitch mounted carrier, will I be sent to the back of the lot? Meanwhile, my tailgating partner, who has everything contained in a minivan, would be sent to the front which is where our tailgate grass “island” is located in our particular lot.

What the attendants should be doing is targeting the problem areas of years past and enforcing the one spot run early. Even if they direct people to spots, they are still charged with enforcement which will happen regardless. So what do they really gain by telling people where to go if they have no idea ahead of time how to distinguish those who will take up multiple spots from those who don’t? They will wind up judging books by their covers which is something that we were told growing up not to do.

If the implementation goes like I (and others) fear, we will see a significant drop in season ticket renewals to the point that the so-called “waiting list” will be exposed because of empty general admission seats. And the blackouts that result mean having to drive south of Fredericksburg to catch our beloved Skins on TV.

by HouseBowlrz on Jun 24, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Ravens!

ugh. I’d never hit that point, but I have some friends who have switched over to BAL (they live there full-time) and have had enough. I can’t see the Skins ever getting blacked out anytime soon…there is still a heavy demand for uppers and lowers…but man, this season means more than ever in this economy.

by KevinE on Jun 24, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Danny has done it again!

Once again the danny has screwed the little guy….he needs to stop screwing with football operations entirely! This means the stadium, the players, the coaches. Want a good owner model? Try Pittsburgh or NE…or hey how about JKC? JKC wrote the checks and looked on and let the professionals do their job. The redskins are like an airliner flying at 38,000 feet – you can do a lot of stupid things and they have a lot of distance to fall before they crash – but diehard fans I talk to are getting sick of his foolishness….I’m sure his ego ( as large as he is small) will never allow him to let go and become a good owner. I doubt the Skins will ever return to their greatness under The Danny….maybe it is time to look at switching to Carolina or BAL. People get tired of being screwed with.

by Danapoleon on Jun 25, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It already is...

Look, I don’t think the NFL has any interest in investigating the Redskins and enforcing the black out rule, but it isn’t sold out. Every year I know someone who was called by the Redskins to let them know that their time on the mystical waiting list is over. My friend was able to get upper deck seats within 2 years of being on this ‘waiting list.’ It is a farce. And the black out rule doesn’t even apply to the club level, which isn’t anywhere NEAR sold out. The proof is in the pudding, and anyone attending the games can see the upper deck and club levels are maybe 75% full on Sundays.

by DCLance on Jun 25, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess you could say there is

a difference in being sold out and having full attendance (or having everyone in their seats at one time). Opening days are always packed out. As are most division games.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jun 25, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Packed Out

That is absolutely not true…I’ve missed three home games since FedEx Field was opened, and while the division games are usually a little more full, they certainly are not “packed out.” I advise you to look hard at the upper deck next opening day or division game, and you’ll see for yourself.

by DCLance on Jun 29, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I was IN the upper deck for our opening game against the Saints last season, and it was definitely loud, rowdy, and PACKED OUT. I’ll give you that the Club Section generally does not have everyone in their seats at one given time. Seriously, if you had the choice to go flirt with Hooters girls while getting sauced up or watch the Redskins lose to the pitiful Rams, what would you do? Although it is possible that the club section is not selling out, as far as the rest of the stadium goes, even you admitted that it took your friend 2 years to get upper level tickets.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jul 1, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting to FED EX without Metro shuttle service

Wtihout the Landover Metro shuttle (stopped last year by stupid government bureaucracy) it is too hard (long walks – traffic) and/or expensive to get in and out of Fed Ex -I actually gave a lot of thought to not renewing this year, but I did hoping the shuttle might be restored. I know others who decided it has become too much trouble to come to the games (witness the large number of Steeler fans there last year) – the Skins are not losing fans but losing people willing to put up with getting to and from FED EX.

by Don Gorenzo on Jun 26, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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