Summing up the Philadelphia Eagles in the 2000s (Flow chart)
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 12:21 AM EDT
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As we all know, Hogs Haven likes to make fun of people. We've done Romo, our own Vinny Cerrato, and now we direct our attention to the Birds. I'm not trying to one-up our other posts, but I thought this was definitely good enough to fuel some trash talking. I've been saying for years that the Eagles really pooped the bed not giving Donovan McNabb better weapons. I think this flow chart sums it up properly (click to enlarge):
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* - Before the Eagles' fans blow up the comments section, let me add a foot note here. I actually sent this flow chart to a great friend of mine last week, who happens to be a season ticket holder for the Eagles. His first reaction was this flow chart is crap because of DeSean Jackson. My response, "Well, follow the line, it ends in another NFC Championship loss." Not only that, DeSean is only one WR. Great teams don't win with one good WR. I of course brought up Todd Stinkston Pinkston and Freddie Mitchell (yes, those 2 WRs on the Super Bowl roster). No rebuttal there. The Eagles had a chance to get Anquan Boldin earlier this year, and they passed instead drafting Jeremy Maclin. My same friend pointed out that no stud WRs have come out of the Big 12 the last ten years, which worries him. Roy Williams certainly has mad skills, but he has yet to really be that big impact player. So yes, DeSean Jackson is a great player, but how good would he be without McNabb? It doesn't matter. The Eagles have had 7 playoff appearances this decade and of course no Super Bowls. It's pretty safe to say the WR position has been the weak link.
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oh yea
I love any excuse to post this picture..
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this coming from the guy
that wears green spandex suits in his apartment and takes pics of himself
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
rec rec rec rec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Jun 15, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When your buddy took that profile pic of you, did he say…
"Hey dude, you know what would be sweet? Fold your arms as if to say ‘Yeah, I got it goin on,’ and tilt your head slightly as if to say ‘Yo son, I don’t play.’ Oh wait, even though it’s overcast, you should also put your sunglasses on. That way the bitches will be like ‘He looks dangerous, but I want to learn more.’"
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats all you got?
I was in San Fran for the Skins game. What should I have done? Stand there and do a gay smile? You’re not gonna win this argument…your spandex suit is too easy a target.
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
First of all, you say “that’s all you got,” and then in the very next sentence, you explain your pose?!?
And secondly, that’s not even me in the spandex suit. It’s a character called Green Man from the best show currently on TV, “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia.” (And I’ll note that it’s not a good show just because it’s in Philly – It could be called It’s Always Sunny in Dallas, and it would still be a great show). Link – http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/sunny/#/home/ I’m not dumb enough to put up a picture of myself for people to insult.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always Sunny
Yea, no doubt it’s a great show. I def missed the one w/ the green suit.
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The episode is called “The Gang Gets Invincible.” They try out for the Eagles like in the movie Invincible, and hilarity ensues. Season 2 I think. Charlie dresses up as Green Man.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah you should of dressed like you live in san francisco, similar to Bye, Dawk… or spent the money from your minimum wage job to buy a six of icehouse and put on your finest spandex that doesn’t even match ur teams colors and eximplifies your gut, and (sorry for looking) its crazy with how tight that shit is that there is still no noticeable bulge but more of a inward action, eagle toe i guess we can call it
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might be the gayest post I’ve ever read.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA!!!
You say “That’s all you got?” and then you change your profile pic?!?!? (clapping) Outstanding!!!
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really must be like 15 years old?
I did it to screw with the people on the Eagles blog…dont worry, its going back.
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you change it back...
I’m just going to make fun of you for changing it back because I made fun of you changing it in the first place.. At this point, it’s a total no-win situation.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, that makes a lot of sense
b/c i could care less what you think. you have a frowny face in your profile…did you wrap yourself in your Eagles Snuggie and cry yourself to sleep when Dawkins left??
When the Skins play at the Linc this year, I’m wearing this..
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was more of a childish temper tantrum.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you have any relatives in the cicncinnati area?
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im sure he really gives a shit if you make fun of him
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously he does if he changed his profile pic.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I changed my pic again..oh my god..call all your tweener friends!
At least I have the sac to post my real picture if I’m gonna run my mouth. And it’s a pic that you’ll never be able to take in your lifetime.
What time do your parents make you log-off off the internet?
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up slim Pickins
Don’t act so hard across a computer.
I bet you never played ball a day in your life.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 15, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
You’re a doctor, so what’s your point?
actually, you’re probably a dentist.
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think thats maryland, not Md, could be wrong
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his icon picture
is a DNA thing and he’s from PA
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha yea just saw that…
you didn’t know if someone is a doctor then that automatically makes them a better/smarter person than us?
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know no one from the Philadelphia/South Jersey area would ever have any form of male jewelry
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love
Green man. I hate the Eagles but love Green man on it’s Always Sunny. Best show on TV. It’s really the only good thing about Philly.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd. and Buzzed
T.O. was really the only legitimate WR threat the Birds have had this decade. And what happened in his first year there (before he ripped the locker room apart)?? They made it to the SB for the first time in 25 years! McNabb had the best season of his career that year (2004), and the Birds went 13-3 and clinched home field advantage throughout the playoffs. I’m not saying it was all T.O., but it showed how having a top 10 WR helped McNabb and the Birds get over the top.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 15, 2009 7:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
T.O. helped us get to playoffs
not the superbowl. in fact, the ONLY post-season game he played in was the superbowl. And obviously, we didn’t need that much help getting to the playoffs considering we already do that rather consistently.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 15, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So which is it? If the Eagles didn’t need that much help getting to the playoffs, did T.O. help you get to the 2004 playoffs or not?
When it comes down to it, thought, it really doesn’t matter. It still doesn’t negate the fact that Eagles only legit WR this past decade was T.O. Hell, T.O. even helped Freddie Mitchell look like a real WR.
by superjuan on Jun 16, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, let me rephrase it so you can understand
first off, every player helps get a team to the playoffs so yes, T.O. helped us get to the playoffs and played a big part in being 13-3. All i’m saying is that he didn’t help take us to the superbowl through the playoffs because he didn’t play. Therefore, he didn’t help take us anywhere that we werent already regular visitors.
I’m not disagreeing with either of you in the matter that a having a top 10 WR could get us over the top. I’d love it. But for whatever reason, our FO loves to draft receivers instead of buy them. It just frustrates me when people say that T.O. got us to the superbowl when he actually didn’t (it’s very tough for me to let anyone give such a dbag that kind of credit when it’s undeserved).
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 16, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all despise T.O.
I’m sure if we had a poll on HH about who the most hated NFC East player of all time was, T.O. would probably be in the top 5. However, T.O. was the primary reason McNabb had the best season of his career in 2004, completing 300 out of 469 (64%) passes for 3,875 yards, 31 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions. He was instrumental in Philly finishing the season 13-3, clinching the NFC #1 seed, and thus having home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All i’m saying is that he didn’t help take us to the superbowl through the playoffs because he didn’t play
T.O. is obviously a douchebag, but you acting like he didn’t help the Eagles through the playoffs and into the 2004 Super Bowl is naive at best.
You must think it’s a coincidence that McNabb had his best season ever. Look, T.O.‘s presence that season without a doubt improved many of his teammates play, most notably McNabb. T.O. helped give McNabb a confidence he had never had (and hasn’t had since), and it’s not like that confidence just disappeared in those playoffs… although, it started to wane in the Atlanta game where he “only” threw for 180 yards and 2 TDs.
So please, pretty please with sugar on top… stop deluding yourself into thinking that just because T.O. is an ass he didn’t help his team while not on the field for two playoff games.
by superjuan on Jun 16, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a stretch
and silly. To assume it was T.O.‘s sideline presence (when he wasn’t even getting along with the team) is what drove us to the superbowl is a bold statement. The eagles played without T.O. against the two best teams in the NFC in the two very important games and won as the Eagles. Give mcnabb some credit. give the 2004 defense credit. yea, mcnabb had a great season because he had a great receiver to throw to. And that great receiver demanded double coverage therefore opening other talented receivers. I’m sure i don’t have to tell you, but those things inflate everyone’s numbers. It doesn’t summon talent. T.O. didn’t motivate the team into having some miraculous clairvoyant epiphone. He was sidelined. He contributed nothing. You can call mcnabb’s numbers “confidence driven by T.O.”…. i’ll call it talent + opportunity.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 17, 2009 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back on point
Look, T.O.‘s presence that season without a doubt improved many of his teammates play, most notably McNabb. T.O. helped give McNabb a confidence he had never had (and hasn’t had since), and it’s not like that confidence just disappeared in those playoffs…
superjuan is saying that T.O.‘s presence on the team DURING THE SEASON raised everybody’s game that season, which carried over into the playoffs (the word “sideline” wasn’t even in his comment). That’s not a stretch, it’s a FACT. Having home-field advantage during the playoffs as a result of the McNabb/Owens combination helped also. McNabb is a really good QB and your defense was solid that season. But without quality offensive weapons like T.O., your Eagles have not been able to duplicate the success of that season. They’ve come close, but they always fall short and they always will until Lurie/Andy & Co. bring in an elite FA WR or someone (DJ?) steps up to fill Owens’ shoes. If that doesn’t happen in the next couple of years, then it really won’t matter because McNabb will probably be gone and Kolb couldn’t carry McNabb’s jock strap.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 17, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually we really only duplicated the success of the previous seasons w/ the ’04 season…we were 12-4 w/ home field in the ’02 and ’03 playoffs. The only difference was the one extra win on our reg. season schedule.
I’ll give you that there was confidence in our WR corps brought on by T.O., but the fact of the matter is T.O. wasn’t on the field for 5 weeks. Which means the other teams, Minn/Atl, didnt have to shadow/dbl team him in the playoffs, and he didnt help us win the NFCCG..That would have been Dawk destroying Vick/Crumpler, haha, sorry had to say it.
So that is where the animosity comes from when you try to say that T.O. got us to the super bowl. All it shows is that w/ a dominant WR our offense is rediculous and were are capable dominating teams. Hence we agree that we need a no. 1 WR to win the big one, but don’t need T.O. to get to the super bowl. Insert any dominant No. 1 WR into our offense and we are an incredible team.
Also, Mcnabb always had confidence, T.O. didnt give it to him or bring it out. No man w/o a lot of confidence smiles that fkn much.
Lastly, i dont know how other Eagle fans feel, but is it too much to think that if Macllin turns out to be as good as he’s supposed to, that both Jax and Mac can’t fill the whole of a dominant no. 1 WR? Two really good wr could be the equivalent of a dominant 1. Not sayin right away, but by the end of the year goin into next year. While Mcnabb is stil at the helm. The two of them bein really good and the role player wr that we have on this team, i.e. Avants solid hands, our WR corps will be the best we’ve ever had for Mcnabb. Much better then T.O./insert name here.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 17, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only difference was the one extra win on our reg. season schedule.
Not to mention an NFC Championship, a Super Bowl appearance AND McNabb’s best season ever.
Sorry but the Eagles did not “duplicate” their previous season… unless you think they won all those NFC championship games prior to the 2004 season.
Insert any dominant No. 1 WR into our offense and we are an incredible team.
Five years ago? Maybe… I would add that the Eagles needed a true #1 RB as well.
Today? Nope… their McNabb window (two years at most?) is closing fast and they still need a real fullback and tight end. The offensive line changes also throw a question mark on their chances in that short window.
And while I don’t know enough about the Eagles defense, I remember them being inconsistent last year… either being a wall or giving up a bunch of points at inopportune times.
Also, Mcnabb always had confidence, T.O. didnt give it to him or bring it out.
Please. Prior to 2004 McNabb’s passer rating never broke 86. He was an average QB with a strong but inaccurate arm whose running abilities had to be respected.
In 2005, when T.O. left, McNabb stopped running and his passer rating dropped to 85. His passer rating has been higher since but I would credit a lot of that to the emergence of Brian Westbrook as a runner more than a receiver. (Prior to that Westbrook had split his yards fairly evenly between receiving and rushing.)
To put things simply, McNabb isn’t the type of player who elevates other’s play, he is the type that is elevated by others and thus a lot of his confidence is predicated on others.
No man w/o a lot of confidence smiles that fkn much.
I’ve worked with more than one person who smiled a lot when they didn’t understand what was going on. It seemed to be a coping mechanism, so needless to say I wouldn’t equate smiling with confidence.
by superjuan on Jun 17, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would add that the Eagles needed a true #1 RB as well.
Brian Westbrook is only one year removed from a 2,000+ yard season. If he’s even slightly healthy, he’s better than 90% of starting NFL RB’s. Check.
their McNabb window (two years at most?) is closing fast
2 years is a long time. If McNabb still has it, he’ll get a new contract. If not, we’ll likely part ways.
they still need a real fullback
Signed Leonard Weaver. Check.
and tight end.
In the Eagles 4 playoff games last year (if you include the Dallas reg season finale), Brent Celek had 22 catches, 181 yards, and 4 TD. Plus, they drafted a nice looking TE, Cornelius Ingram. Check.
The offensive line changes also throw a question mark on their chances in that short window.
Peters, Herremans, Jackson, Andrews, Andrews – Pretty much unanimously regarded as one of the top 5 units in the NFL. I’ll also note that Shawn Andrews and Jason Peters were roommates in college, and I THINK Shawn Andrews and Stacy Andrews also know each other pretty well. Concerned? Not even a little. Check.
And while I don’t know enough about the Eagles defense, I remember them being inconsistent last year…
3rd ranked defense in the NFL.
Prior to 2004 McNabb’s passer rating never broke 86. He was an average QB with a strong but inaccurate arm whose running abilities had to be respected.
QB rating… “The idiot’s guide to football.” John Elway’s career QB rating – 79.9.
To put things simply, McNabb isn’t the type of player who elevates other’s play, he is the type that is elevated by others and thus a lot of his confidence is predicated on others
Honestly, I read that 4 times, and I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what you just tried to say.
I’ve worked with more than one person who smiled a lot when they didn’t understand what was going on. It seemed to be a coping mechanism, so needless to say I wouldn’t equate smiling with confidence.
I’m smiling thinking about the 2009 season.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do agree with this
Brian Westbrook is only one year removed from a 2,000+ yard season. If he’s even slightly healthy, he’s better than 90% of starting NFL RB’s
I have felt for a long time he is the best player in the NFL.
But there is a lot of hits here just don’t know if he has what it takes anymore. But at half speed he is still pretty dam good.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 17, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signed Leonard Weaver
He sucks.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 17, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why where they trying so hard to get Tony Gonzalez?
If Celek is so good?
by KevinE on Jun 17, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair question...
Easy answer… Because Tony Gonzalez is the best TE in the NFL, and a clear HUGE upgrade over Celek.
Celek is no Gonzalez, he’s no Witten, he’s no Cooley for that matter. However, once he took over as the starter for LJ “strained vagina” Smith, he played great, and I think we have a solid NFL quality starting TE on our hands
That said, of all the offseason Eagles rumors, we really missed the boat of Gonzalez. Eagles get Gonzalez… game over.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so easy answer
The Falcons didn’t give up that much. It goes back to my whole point of the Eagles front office not going that extra step to get McNabb some weapons. “One player = game over” has been the story of your team this decade. So close each year.
by KevinE on Jun 17, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we got gonzo, and were possibly able to get him as cheap as the falcons, we would have still ahd the majority of our picks…So you figure our offseason still looks the same plus we have the best TE in the game. Yah, that’d be game over. Mcnabb would have gonzo, djax, curtis, avant….and maclin if he produces to throw the ball to.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 17, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Westbrook is only one year removed from a 2,000+ yard season.
Notice that I said “needed” as in “needed” five years ago… as in back in 2004.
While you seem to be confident about those other “checks”, I don’t see the reason for the high optimism.
As a Skins fan, I’ll be happy to see Celek and Weaver starting for the Eagles next season. The only ones of your “checks” which I would slightly agree with is the OL, but like I said the loss of Tra Thomas and the uncertainty surrounding Shawn Andrews makes the OL somewhat questionable.
I guess only the coming season will prove who’s right. However it seems that we can at least agree that McNabb’s window is closing fast.
3rd ranked defense in the NFL.
And the Skins were 4th… and just as inconsistent as the Eagles. I still don’t see where all the optimism is coming from.
QB rating… "The idiot’s guide to football." John Elway’s career QB rating – 79.9.
Look, while I agree that the QB rating isn’t perfect, I find it fine for the sake of comparing a QBs performance between years. Obviously, since you have yet to deny that 04 was McNabb’s best year, it works fine for that purpose AND my point still stands.
Honestly, I read that 4 times, and I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what you just tried to say.
Simply put:
1. McNabb’s performance has been improved by the presence of other good/great players. Examples: his best seasons have been with T.O. at WR and then with Westbrook in his prime.
BUT
2. McNabb doesn’t improve the performance of other players. Examples: T.O.’s stats were average to below average while in Philly. James Thrash never improved after his first season in Philly.
I’m smiling thinking about the 2009 season.
Aren’t we all.
by superjuan on Jun 18, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
T.O.’s numbers were average…are you kidding me? His stats were very good, and he only played in 13 1/2 games.
77 recs… ..(his 7th best year)
1200 yrds….. (5th)
85.7 yd/g …..(6th)
15.6 avg…..(t-4th)
14tds…..(t-3rd)
Also, if he finishes the Dallas game his game avg, td’s, receptions, and yards all go up. Probably finishes w/ 1350yds—17tds.
His avg. Numbers…He avg’s 14.5 games, one game more then he played in 04.
receptions:…..73
yards:……..1086
YPG:……….74.7
AVG:………14.8
TDS……….11
Had he finished the year, it would have been 15 games worth of stats, since we sat the last week. He was much better then his avg. stats. You can’t even give me that the numbers are skewed because his stats for the Dallas game he got knocked out of are figured into his game avg’s and he only had 2 catches for 24yds and no tds. So his stats for ’04 are off themselves.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 18, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably finishes w/ 1350yds—17tds.
Giving him an extra game in 2004 and you want to assume that he’ld get 150 yards and 3 TDs? Are you insane? In 2004 he averaged 86 yards and 1 TD per game… and you essentially want to double his stats?!
How about we not assume things and stick with the fairest statistic… average yards and TDs. Like I mentioned T.O. averaged 86 yards/game and 1 TD/game in 2004. That makes his 2004 season the 6th best season of his 13 season career. Pretty average.
However, we should take the following into consideration:
1. His best season (by averages) was his abbreviated 05 season in Philly. I think we can agree that that season was an anomaly, so we might as well say 2004 was the 5th best season of his 12 season career. Now that makes it sound better for your argument. HOWEVER…
2. We should also take into consideration the fact that he wasn’t a #1 WR until his 5th season (he played with some guy named Jerry Lee Rice for his first 4 season). So now, not including those first 4 seasons, T.O.’s 2004 season ranks as 6th best in his 10 season as a #1 WR. Like I said, below average.
Combine the two and it’s his 5th best season in his 9 “full” season as a #1 WR… slightly better, but still below average.
Now I’ll admit that when it comes solely to TDs calling his 2004 season below average is incorrect. But it’s not like his 1 TD/game average is outstanding: He has matched or been 1 TD away from matching that average in 4 other season.
BTW, your argument that “he got knocked out of a game with 24 yards and no TD, so he would have done better” doesn’t hold water because that isn’t the only time an injury has forced him to leave a game with low stats (For instance in 2007 he left this game with 37 yards and no TDs).
by superjuan on Jun 18, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the 17tds and 1350 yards….was puttin him basically on avg for the season…..24yds from 86 is 62 add that to the 86 he would have avg’d the next game and what do you get when you add that to his total for the season???….1342yds…DUH…
17tds….lets see you can assume the one td a game avg and that adds 2 tds to his total. What do you get???? 16tds….DUH…
I was sayin his numbers were skewed because they have him playin 14 games when he didn’t really. He played in 13.5 games. I went w/ the numbers he more then likely would have finished with.
As far as 1200yds 14tds…i dont consider avg for T.O., and would be great season for any wr.. The numbers he would have finished with had not been injured by the p.o.s. roy w., he would have finished that year w/ much greater numbers and would have been toward the tops of his career numbs.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 18, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the 17tds and 1350 yards….was puttin him basically on avg for the season…..24yds from 86 is 62 add that to the 86 he would have avg’d the next game and what do you get when you add that to his total for the season???….1342yds…DUH…
Look, it’s just not fair to extrapolate statistics for one season and not for every season. You could take any of his season and say “well if this or that didn’t happen he could have gotten and extra 100 yards and an extra TD.”
17tds….lets see you can assume the one td a game avg and that adds 2 tds to his total. What do you get???? 16tds….DUH…
So since when is 16 TDs equal to 17 TDs?
I was sayin his numbers were skewed because they have him playin 14 games when he didn’t really. He played in 13.5 games. I went w/ the numbers he more then likely would have finished with.
And as I showed you, that isn’t the only season in which he left a game early. So calling it 13.5 games is disingenuous at best.
As far as 1200yds 14tds…i dont consider avg for T.O., and would be great season for any wr.
While I agree that it is a good season for any WR, for T.O. it is average at best. And for T.O. as a #1 WR it is, technically, below average.
The numbers he would have finished with had not been injured by the p.o.s. roy w., he would have finished that year w/ much greater numbers and would have been toward the tops of his career numbs.
I just don’t know how else to say it… but this is going no where if you’re just going to keep repeat your belief that his 2004 numbers are “skewed” because of an injury and not realize that that could be said about practically every one of his 13 seasons.
Finally, sorry but I can’t agree with the Roy Williams sentiment. I enjoyed watching the Skins play against Roy Williams… I especially enjoyed watching a Skins WR burning him deep while headed to the end zone, for what felt like, once a game.
by superjuan on Jun 18, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, obviously you didn’t get what the word “probably” infers…but i was creating a hypothetical situation, where as he plays 14 full games and plays a 15th, thus finishing those numbers. So yes i can extrapolate the numbers if im creating a hypothesis of what numbers T.O. might have finished with, and used the numbers he had for the season to get those numbers. There’s no other way to do it besides guess.
If you actually look at his stats he had mostly games with multiple TDs and a bunch with none. One of those games being Dallas where he had 3 tds. I was taking a stab that one of those games, either Dallas or SF, he was gonna get more then one td. They won 41-7 vs SF, ya think that might be safe to say he ends w/ 17?…not like i sayd 18-20…i gave him 3 more in 2 games. It was all done w/ logic to take a stab at the numbers.
I’ll agree to disagree that his season was avg or not.
Roy Williams is a pos, but he sucked at the end so yes it was fun to watch him get burned by fast wideouts. You just might feel diff. if he had horse collared moss when you’re team was steam rolling other teams and were super bowl favorites, for the NFC. Then a couple years later horse collars your franchise qb and almost snaps his ankle too.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 18, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So yes i can extrapolate the numbers if im creating a hypothesis of what numbers T.O. might have finished with, and used the numbers he had for the season to get those numbers.
Okay, fine. But that’s all it is… a hypothesis, a assumption of what could have been but wasn’t. However, don’t try to compare your “hypothesis” season with other “non-hypothesized” seasons.
I was taking a stab that one of those games, either Dallas or SF, he was gonna get more then one td. They won 41-7 vs SF, ya think that might be safe to say he ends w/ 17?
What are you talking about? The Eagles never played SF in the 2004 season.
Anyways, it doesn’t matter because I’ve already explained that these “hypothesis” of yours are useless unless you extrapolate EVERY season.
You just might feel diff. if he had horse collared moss when you’re team was steam rolling other teams and were super bowl favorites, for the NFC.
I guess we can agree that Roy Williams is/was a dirty player… although I probably don’t have as much hatred for Roy Williams as you seem to have.
by superjuan on Jun 18, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were the one that took issue w/ my hypothetical numbers..l was just explaining them.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 18, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't bother w/ the rest of your post
But we DID duplicate the ‘02 and ’03 seasons with T.O…..outside of the 13th win. We were first seed in the playoffs in all 3 seasons. T.O. did not play in any of the playoff games, just the super bowl, which we lost. So he he did not win the NFCCG for us! He didnt get us over the hump, the team got over the hump despite not having him in the playoffs. Then he was a big distraction and played in the Super Bowl. Since we did not win the big one, he didnt help the Eagles do anything they hadn’t done w/o him.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 17, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason or another you don’t understand how, or don’t believe that, a good/great player can improve another player’s confidence and play… especially after playing and practicing with them for an entire season.
I can assure you that this “push” does happen and that it doesn’t disappear immediately once you don’t play a few games with them. (I guess, if you were unsure of your own skills in the first place it might disappear the second you stop playing with them, but that’s another discussion in itself because I don’t think McNabb is THAT weak minded.)
I guess it comes down to this: if you really don’t believe in the “push”, or you believe that the “push” disappears immediately then there is no reason to continue this discussion.
by superjuan on Jun 18, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, from my first post, i believe mcnabb has a lot of confidence. So, no, i dont believe his confidence was truly raised by T.O. I think its obvious Mcnabb knows what he’s capable of it and that you just have to give him the tools to get it done.
Secondly, i do believe there is a “push” that you get from having the talent that T.O. was, on the field with you, but he wasn’t on the field for 6 weeks w/ the Eagles. That’s not exactly a game or two. The Eagles had already been to the NFCCG 3 times, they had been there before, i.e. they didnt need T.O. to get them there. So you’re gonna tell me after not playin w/ T.O. for 4/5 games, that the “push” that T.O. gave the other WR’s was still fresh. No, it wasn’t. What was fresh in there minds was that they had one the division game w/o T.O., so they didnt need him on the field for them to get over the hump.
You wanna tell me they had there chests puffed out a lil further w/ .T.O. lined up across the field, hell yah they did, and anyone would. But, you can not tell me that they still had their chests out because T.O. had been apart of the team in the regular season, when they played that NFCCG. He hadn’t played a single playoff game for them.
So, If you truly believe that, you’ve got your head deep in that burgundy sand. Play any sport, when one of your best players goes down, there’s either a let down or a picke me up. Obviously the Eagles picked themselves up and believed they had enough to win w/o T.O. on the field. Hence, they won in spite of T.O. not because of him.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 18, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Secondly, i do believe there is a "push" that you get from having the talent that T.O. was, on the field with you, but he wasn’t on the field for 6 weeks w/ the Eagles. That’s not exactly a game or two
To be exact it was three games… one of which every important starter (including McNabb) pretty much sat out. So calling it two games isn’t that off.
But, you can not tell me that they still had their chests out because T.O. had been apart of the team in the regular season, when they played that NFCCG.
That’s exactly what I’m saying because if they lost that “swagger” after not having T.O. for a pair of playoff game, then I would have to believe that the 2004 Eagles were much weaker minded then you or I believe.
Obviously the Eagles picked themselves up and believed they had enough to win w/o T.O. on the field.
While I agree that their previous experience in the NFC championship game helped, I guess you’re forgetting that they lost each of those games. Sorry but you’re being naive in thinking that T.O. “push” didn’t have anything to do with helping the team get over that hump.
by superjuan on Jun 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been doing pretty fair assessments of the NFC East teams’ strengths and weaknesses (and other concerns) over at Bleeding Green Nation.
Here’s the Cowboys…
And here’s the Giants…
Guess who’s next… And you know what? It’s clear as day who the weakest team in the NFC East is going into the season.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops, somehow the llinks didn't post...
Cowboys…
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2009/6/11/906632/3-part-series-our-rivals-biggest
Giants…
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2009/6/13/908124/part-2-of-the-3-part-series-our
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys
Yep, we’ve all been saying here the Cowboys are going to blow this year. I’m not saying that b/c I hate them either. Your article spells it all out. The one thing I would disagree with you on is the Dan Snyder giving Haynesworth the stupidest contract ever. Yes, Snyder has done that many times before, but multiple teams had offered Albert that much $$, so if it wasn’t Snyder, than it would have been someone else (Tampa). Time will tell if it was a bust signing or not, but we like our odds more w/ this one than previous signings (Trotter, Deion, etc).
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
Actually, I was wrong. The Haynesworth wasn’t the dumbest contract ever – The DeAngelo Hall contract was.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brandon Lloyd was...
He is still counting against our cap this year….f’n $5+ mil. Archuleta…highest paid safety ever and all he ever played was special teams.
DeAngelo Hall…yea, they paid more than they needed to, but he is $$. You’re judging him by his OAK days which he has spoke at length about. That team was a mess….he played really well for us last year and his been to every (voluntary) workout this off-season.
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deangelo is going to have a big year.
He’s been working hard and he’s motivated, even if it is for a stupid reason.
http://blog.redskins.com/2009/06/01/deangelo-hall-is-a-little-angry-with-ea-sports/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Jun 15, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah...
So DeAngelo Hall only decides to play hard when he’s in a good situation? Nice. Good luck with all that. Personally, I wouldn’t give $55 mil to a guy that TWO teams gave up on in less than a year, but I’m not Dan Snyder.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
did Randy Moss he sucked in Oakland also than goes to NE and puts up the best year ever.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
I love the “Randy Moss” argument… Used all over the world by fans of teams that just signed a complete J.O. that has more baggage than talent.
“It happened once… EVER… Remember Randy Moss?!? It can happen here, too!!!”
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zone defense
was the reason Hall struggled in Oakland. He’s back in man-to-man now.
Oakland is the black hole for NFL players.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 15, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, there were 2 factors why Hall sucked...
1) Zone defense.
2) The government.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skins
And as for the Skins being the weakest team in the NFC East, at this point I don’t care what people think. All the experts think the same, yet they put the Cowboys in the top 10 of the league. Gimme a break.
Coming into the season with low expectations is fine w/ me. The team is clicking much better now that the offense is entering year two. Regardless, we’ve beaten the Birds 3 of the last 4 times….
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team is clicking much better now that the offense is entering year two.
Year 2 of what? Mediocrity?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again didn’t we sweep you in year one of midocrity then?
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by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup...
Your D has our number, no question about it. Nevertheless, we went to the NFC Championship game (and yeah, I know, we didn’t win the Super Bowl and still haven’t ever)…
So congrats on the sweep. Your team was golfing in January.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what?
The Eagles were a big dick tease last year. Everyone was calling for Any Reid’s firing…then the Bucs inexplicably lose at home allowing the Birds into the playoffs and everyone loves AndY Reid again.
Let’s see how good the Eagles are without Jim Johnson. And if you want to talk about over-paying for players…Jason Peters anyone?!
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
Jason Peters, a guy that just about every expert calls one of the best 3 left tackles in the game (and last I checked, it’s a pretty important position) is making…
$60 mil over 6 years…
Meanwhile, DeAngelo Hall, a guy that, again, TWO TEAMS QUIT ON in less than a full calendar year, and wouldn’t even START on the Eagles is making…
$55 mil over 6 years.
Not to mention, we’re only like… $30 mil under the cap?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
first of all DHall was traded b/c the Falcons couldn’t afford him and he wanted out, and second of all, last time I checked Al Davis doesn’t make the most sane personel moves in the NFL, the guy is a two time pro bowl CB and showed how good he can be when he got to the Skins last year, hence earning his money
Regarding Jason Peters, watch some tape or talk to a Bills or AFC East fan. Peters will get worked this year by Hayneworth, Orakpo, Osi, Tate, Ware, Canty, etc, etc…
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by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tate is the Redskins waterboy who is also capable of working peters
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by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup...
All the Redskins “work peters.” Sounds about right.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its
Pilly the second biggest gay population next to San Francisco?
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t sound right. I’d have to assume New York City would be number 1 based on sheer size. Got any evidence on that?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just look in the mirror, isn’t that as much empirical evidence that you would need?
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by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
“Look in the mirror?”
And another guy on here said “look up (fill in the blank) in the dictionary and you’ll see the Eagles”
You guys got the “4th Grade Comeback Handbook” over there?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wheres your fannypack full of dildos in your pic?
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by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, it’s fine if it’s true. I don’t give a flying F. I just don’t think you have the statistical evidence to back it up.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your picture
and comments are all the evidence I need.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
do you ever try to make a valid point or just post “thats gay” or some other one line response, if you want to talk football then go ahead
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb
Are the Eagles worried if McNabb gets hurt? It was pretty obvious Kolb is about as valuable as Koy Detmer.
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t worry they still have AJ Feely and his career 69 QB rating
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by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gladly talk football...
Just not with anyone that doesn’t know who Justin TUCK is.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right man i don’t know who justin tuck is, and you’ve never made a mistake before. Can you teach me how to make some cool smiley faces out of punctuation marks if i give you my e-mail address?
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my point
Same experts claiming Jason Peters as a God also have the Cowboys #9 in the NFL right now. You’re backing your argument with Skip Bayless?
As for being $30 million under the cap. Congratulations…maybe if your cheap ass owner would use some of that $$ and get McNabb some real WRs …. you’d actually WIN a super bowl.
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, Skip Bayless...
Gotta love Skip… Actually, you won’t find a single Skip Bayless fan in all of Philly. Actually, here’s a great interview where Skip gets taken to school by a Philly radio guy – Outstanding… http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/mike-missanelli-and-skip-bayless-have-nasty-exchange-950-espn
Anyway, as far as our receivers go… I’m completely content. 900+ yards last year out of DeSean Jackson (an absolute star in the making), a solid #2 in Kevin Curtis (who is only one year removed from an 1,100+ yard season), Reggie Brown (a big disappointment last year, but a guy that put up 816 and 780 yards in 2006 and 2007), Jason Avant (a guy that developed into a really nice #3 last year), and Hank Baskett (another nice tall red-zone guy). And that’s not even mentioning Jeremy Maclin.
Meanwhile, you have have Santana Moss, a legit NFL receiver, and then… Antwan Randel El? A guy that averaged 3.3 catches and 37 yards per game last year? And a couple 2nd year stiffs?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRs
ARE is not going to do much unless he’s throwing the ball. The 2 stiffs we drafted last year are now 100% healthy and been busting their asses all off-season. Our entire offense rides on these 2 (Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly).
Fred davis is going to see a lot of time in double TE sets…gonna be different this year (hopefully)…it certainly cant get worse.
by KevinE on Jun 15, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to the madden ratings
we have a gem in marques hagans, haha
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by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Skins are always awesome in Madden. At least Snyder doesn’t ruin my Madden teams.
(although they’re always in salary cap hell for my franchise)
by smutsboy1 on Jun 15, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha so true
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Peters, a guy that just about every expert calls one of the best 3 left tackles in the game
hahahaha. I couldn’t read past this b.s.
by smutsboy1 on Jun 15, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just
where the Eagles have always been. I could not have said it better myself Mediocrity. Look up Mediocrity in the dictionary it has a Eagles logo.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we’ve beaten the Birds 3 of the last 4 times….
and still managed to go only .500
I’ll take losing 3 out of 4 to the skins and going to the NFCCG over your Coach and Owner and record any day.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 15, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't we sweep you last year???
I mean since you did all of these offseason assessments for us, I guess there is really no reason to actually play this year we can just simulate the season and playoffs through your assessments…
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“We”
I didn’t know you were on the team?
If your asking if the Redskins failed to make the playoffs.
The answer is yes.
BTW Dan Snyder is so good at managing his money, Six Flags went Bankrupt.
Guess he should have kept it as Adventure World.
Redskins are next.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 15, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many superbowl rings would you take?
And “we” refers to a collective nation of fans with similar ideals, I guess Eagle fans can never fully grasp this ideal b/c they are dickheads and would rather beat up on one another
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reid and Romo choke the same exact way
they are the two biggest chokes that the media makes excuses for..
Reid?Romo play the regular season one way..then the playoffs another
by terpsez11 on Jun 15, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Reid is 10-7 in the playoffs...
What’s the Redskins’ playoff record during Reid’s tenure.
Thanks for playing.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Irrelevant.
Result = 0 Lombardis.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Chart
I like that chart you have put together. It’s very clever. I can’t wait until the NFL season gets going, I’m ready for some football!!! I just want to put it out there now: THE REDSKINS WILL BEAT THE GIANTS IN THE OPENER!! 21-13
by Beltwayboy on Jun 15, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
which franchise has made the playoffs more? Eagles or Skins
if you dont know then I’ll be happy to give you the answer
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by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
skins 22
eagles 21
you can now return to watching repeats of VH1’s I love the 80’s and reliving your glory years.
by dt3 on Jun 15, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather watch NFL network, they are recapping the Redskins sweeping the Eagles last year this afternoon
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great… make sure you pay extra attention during the eagles games. One of the lone bright spots in an otherwise miserable season.
by dt3 on Jun 15, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hunting wolverines with him this summer.
by liger99 on Jun 15, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOF
Redskins 17 Eagles 9 but there is one thing I don’t understand Sonny J is under both teams as a HOF’er I know in went in as a Redskin.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
alot of those
are becasuse the redskins execs headed the voting when the hall was first introduced,
& it’s 23-17 if you include everyone, & Sonny J is under both, but if ur counting people who only played for one team its 17-9, but players like Reggie White still count, so their are exceptions, & i don’t feel like going threw & seeing which players who played for several teams, should be on which teams list
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.html
by sports00fan00 on Jun 16, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of all the days to be late to the party
You Philly fans showing up today…I love it. It’s the middle of June and everybody’s a contender and we get to argue about football. Also, we beat your asses twice last season. And it was AWESOME! You guys collect Championship losses like Philly girls collect crabs.
We may not have been playing in the playoffs, but getting to watch you lose in big games has become a bit of an annual tradition.
by Ken Meringolo on Jun 15, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Break Down
Division Champs Redskins 12 – Eagles 11
League Champs Redskins 5 – Eagles 3
Super Bowls Redskins 5 – Eagles 2
Super Bowl Wins Redskins 3 – Eagles 0 aahhh that hurts don’t it!
As I said earlier scoreboard
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
care to explain to me what exactly a league championship is and how that is relevant to today’s game here in the 21st century.
by dt3 on Jun 15, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
care to explain why you or your comments are relevant on this blog?
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by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because i am a football fan trying to discuss the game… dick
by dt3 on Jun 15, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if you were a football fan then i think you could stop being a dick and probably figure out that by league championships he meant conference championships… so either you are just that dumb or you decided to be an ass once again
From Richmond to the District
by pas493 on Jun 15, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to tell you the truth i thought they were trying to reference winning some sort of league championship from before the superbowl was around. I apologize but my biggest pet peave with any team, any sport is “See I have proof team X is better than team Y, a championship trophy from 1963”.
If they were referring to conference championships wouldnt that be the same thing as Superbowl appearances?? If you are talking about pre-superbowl than what the hell are you doing?? Like I said above how is anything before 1966 relevant to today’s game??
Actually, forget that question. Forget all this crap. I regret posting here even more than I do in the now infamous “Interior Offensive Line” thread. I am going to like my team. You are going to like your team, but I am going to be stuck living in the same city as your team where the QB taking a dump is page 1 news so I am going to inevitably end up here posting/discussing color/size/shape with the rest of you animals. Deal with it.
by dt3 on Jun 15, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are going to like your team, but I am going to be stuck living in the same city as your team where the QB taking a dump is page 1 news so I am going to inevitably end up here posting/discussing color/size/shape with the rest of you animals. Deal with it.
Wai-wai-wai-WAIT. You sound like when you log on to your PC every day, one of the only 3 possible options in this infinite matrix network of billions and billions of website destinations is Hogs Haven. If you really didn’t like it, you wouldn’t be here posting (PERIOD). But you do like it and I think deep down inside you are a closet Skins fan…
COME ON OUT MAN – THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE !!!
At least admit that, right now, you are wearing these:
If so, you will probably be interested in one of these.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 15, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Eagles have been to the super bowl twice, so we only have 2 nfc championships, not 3.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 15, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
League championships
Are different than NFC championships. It was before there was an AFC and a NFC.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
gotcha…so you’re talkin bout 48, 49 and 60…thought you were goin w/ conference championships in your post….my bad.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 15, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is
what it is. We lead you in every category there is. The Redskins and Eagles have met a total of 147 times over their long rivalry, which dates back to 1934. They have played a home-and-home series every year since 1936.
The Redskins hold the series edge at 76-66-6
Once again Scoreboard
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Redskins and Eagles have met a total of 147 times over their long rivalry, which dates back to 1934.
again… whats with your obsession with the 30s?? You guys were a great team, no one can take that away from you. Something else no one can take away from you…. BEFORE 1992 THERE IS NOT MUCH OF A CASE BETWEEN WHO WAS A MORE SUCCESFUL ORGANIZATION. SKINS HANDS DOWN. Unfortunately, since than things havent went your way.
We lead you in every category there is.
Except, recent history. Since the Skins last superbowl championship the Eagles have won 21 of 32 total meetings including 2 seperate stretches of 3 year sweeps (02-04 + 93-95). Please dont make me break down playoff apearrances, overall record, and yes… NFC championship games.
by dt3 on Jun 15, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok so I Broke it down for you.
Reg season Redskins 537-494-27 Eagles 488-530-26
Post season Redskins 23-17 Eagles 19-18
Playoff Appearances Redskins 23 Eagles 19
Super bowls Redskins 3-2 Eagles 0-2
So once again Scoreboard.
And at least when we go to the championship game we finish it unlike you. At least Buffalo got there Four times.
Plus you guys have been around for all 43 Superbowls and the Panthers,Buc and Seahawks have one less trip there than you do and have not been around 43 like you and the Buc’s won it! You don’t have a leg to stand on here so take your ball and go home.
Oh Yea did I say scoreboard.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and by the way
The Eagles are the only team in the NFC east below 500 yea thats right a losing record.
NFC title games Redskins 5-1 Eagles 2-4
Dam this is getting old SCOREBOARD!
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats...
The Redskins were good a loooooong time ago. Awesome. Good for you.
Let’s take a look at this decade…
Eagles – 92-51-1
Redskins – 66-78-0
26.5 games behind.
(In a douchey voice)… “Scoreboard!”
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, agreed...
66-78 is below .500. Very good.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have always
been good in fact a lot better than you. So we have had some bad years you had more. So always remember this we have won the super bowl in fact 3 times you none.
That is what all teams are remembered for so I guess the Eagles will be forgotten.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just not recently. Below average team this decade… And you know it’s true. That’s what’s great – you know that they have basically sucked ass this decade. 66-78… Below average.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have sucked ass
Forever you have no argument here we lead in all stats. Oh but there is one you are losers. Maybe not this decade but for the past 70 years loser.
I will take one decade of losing over 70 anytime.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way your team is looking...
You’ll take 2 decades of losing.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
-2
McNabb’s window is closing. Westbrook is on the decline. That pendulum is swinging back in our direction. Except we’re going to be able to close it out and bring home the bling.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's 2 players...
Granted, they’re our 2 most important players. But still, the average age of the defensive starters is under 26, and the average age of the offensive starters is 27, and we have an assload of young depth. We’re set up to be a great team for a looooong time.
And I’ll also note that although your best offensive weapon (Portis) is still relatively young (turns 28 in Sept), he has over 2,000 career carries. That’s a TON of wear and tear. In fact, there are only 28 players in the history of the NFL with more career carries than Clinton Portis.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those 2 players
are the bread and butter of your offense. Take them away, and the Iggles are a 5-11 team. If we (the Skins) learned anything from last year, it’s that having one of the best defenses in the league will only take you so far.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take the 2 best players off ANY team, and of course they’ll be drastically worse, although they’d still be far from a 5-11 team.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is
Until he proves otherwise, our best player isn’t our QB.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like Campbell – It’s tough learning a new offense every single year for what, like 7-8 straight years (going back to his sophomore or junior year in college)?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
That’s where everyone is here in DC. Second year under Zorn and JC has spent the entire off-season working out with Zorn and practicing with Devin Thomas.
This is JC’s year to shine or bust, or else we get all the calls for Colt Brennan to start. Ugh. I hope it doesn’t get to that.
by KevinE on Jun 16, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re not a member of the Cult of Colt yet?
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Colt
But he’s not ready yet. Let’s see him against some 1st line Defenses
by KevinE on Jun 16, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not worried about cambell, he proved last year that he could perform as long.
As long as our offense doesn’t become predictable like it did after 8 games last season, then we’ll be straight.
Hopefully ZORN’s second year as head coach he learned how to not become so predicatble and he can stretch the field some more
by travisjh86 on Jun 16, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
it is Rak who breaks McGlass this year becaues we all know he is going down just like Bye, Dawk :( at his all boys high school prom.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's that?
Your 8th lame gay joke on this thread?
The card please… (audience anticipation) Ladies and Gentlemen… The SportsNation Homophobe of the Year… RedskinCali63!!! (clapping and champagne corks popping)
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
don’t fuckin cross the line you can say anything you want about me up little fag but don’t ever talk shit about my kids.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 15, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parenting lesson for you, brother...
Going on blogs and saying that people are taking loads in their mouth, all while having pictures of your KIDS on your profile… Classy.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey now…lets not be wishin injuries on people….
Last time i checked the last body bag didn’t go so well for you guys…..gonna bring back brian mitchell to play qb??
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Redskins won the rematch in the playoffs getting buddy ryan fired. Then won the SB the following year. seems like it went much better for us. Andre Dirty Waters cheap shots a kicker and is an Eagle hero. Compare that to Joe Gibbs.
by liger99 on Jun 15, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just meant the injuries in that game…..the point was not hopin ppl got hurt…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 15, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this thread is filled with everything:
insults (3rd grade quality), low blows, the infamous battle of “my team is better than yours” and the follow up “no my team is better”
i love it
by travisjh86 on Jun 15, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at last week's Press Conference
McNabb kept saying I want to win a SuperBowl in “2” years
he was sitting right next to Reid saying 2009 is not their year… 2010..
they have been making excuses this whole decade..
by terpsez11 on Jun 15, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, uh, that didn’t happen… at all.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Context
“I think it’s important that we focused in on what we have to do in order to achieve that common goal, and that’s obviously to win a Super Bowl,” McNabb said. “These two years are very important to me, because I believe that we can get the job done.”
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re proving byedawks point….terps sayin that mcnabb said we aren’t gonna win it in ’09, when he in fact said thats focus, gettin a super bowl within these two years and then worrying about an extension.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 16, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
iight…obviously i was the homer there…i fig’d you were responding to bdawk…if you were in agreement w/ him you would have replied to terps….my bad.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 16, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The important thing for you to recognize is that even McNabb himself realizes that he has… maybe a 2-year window to make it happen. That’s not good for a guy that gets injured every other year.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think he feels he has a two year window…he later says he would like retire an eagle (so did dawkins) but thats not gonna happen in two years. I think he has atleast 5 years left in him.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 16, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, as far as the Eagles go, do you agree that he probably only has a 2-year window?
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, i am worried that he’s only going to be with the Eagles for two more years. I was hoping for an extension, but i’ll take it for what it is that an extension would be sketchy w/ the current state of the nfl caps etc.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 16, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would you want an extension for McNabb in two years? He’ll be like 35 and probably 275 llbs
by pas493 on Jun 16, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Eagles did it right. Two years is perfect. Dan Snyder would have signed him to a 6-year deal with a big bonus. Only problem is the Eagles don’t have a QB to groom in that 2-year window. You still have faith in Kolb…did he come along this off-season at all?
by KevinE on Jun 16, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see now thats just your redskins bias…if he doesnt get injured, blah blah we all know the history, he’s got atleast 5 more years left in him easily…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 16, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb has at least 5 years left in him, but he will need to become more of a pocket passer as he slows down. Right now he uses his feet to scrammble for a first down or avoid the rush/blitz to find a wide open lj smith or westbrook, all of which are back-breaking type of plays….they are deflating to a defense and turn the game in the eagles favor. Eventually he will need to improve his accuracy and timing to continue playing at the current level. I think I saw Elway go from a scrammbler to a pocket passer (and win two SBs) , so it is possible.
by liger99 on Jun 16, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he showed he can still move at the end of last year…and he’s 2 years removed from acl surgery now…he’s not gonna slow down considerably in the next 2 years, and he’s more mobile then elway. We won’t see mcnabb doin a 360 tryin to get into the endzone. Maybe at 35 he’ll only have to worry more bout that.
I can agree w/ the accuracy to a point, i think the shoelace throws get blown up a bit….he’s still holding a 59% compl rating, thats not bad.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 16, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screens
The screens to Westbrook are 45% of that 59% rating! Haha.
But really, I almost felt bad for McNabb when he had WRs like this causing him plays:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls794MhIkU4
by KevinE on Jun 16, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't speak of him in Philly...
Actually, if you watch that video again, take a look at LJ Smith for the first 5 seconds. For you non-Philly fans that might not be able to pick out LJ Smith, he’s lined up on the right side of the formation next to the right tackle (Runyan).
It pretty much sums up his career in Philly and his willingness to go and block somebody. Honestly, it looks like he’s just dancing or something. It’s great.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, thank god those days are LONG gone in my mind…..still makes me shudder.
Although i dont care how many passes go to westbrook, not all of them do, and 59% is still good. He’s actually been over 60% the last two seasons. Last year westy wasn’t our leading receiver. So not throwing the most passes to westy, he was actually over his career compl. , 60.4…yah, not much, but still better. As our wr get better his numbers are gonna be even better, we already have a lot surer hands on this team.
Lewis 19 rec.
Avant 32 rec
Curtis 33 rec
Baskett 33 rec
Celek 27 rec
LJ 37 rec
Brown 18 rec
Jax 62 rec
Buck 26 rec
Westbrook 54 rec.
We obviously spread the ball aroundl Also, considering how bad our wr corp are supposed to be, id say he’s got an even better perc. then the number indicates.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 16, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
somebody had Sean Taylor on the brain…
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line...
Until Andy and Co. decide to pay their deserving players and give McNabb the legitimate WR threat he needs, [the Philadelphia Beagles] will always be perennial pretenders. Signing McNabb to an extension was a step in the right direction and D. Jackson may now be that WR threat. We shall see.
But if Snyder has proven that you can’t BUY a Superbowl, Jeff Lurie has proven that you can’t WIN a Superbowl if you aren’t willing to pay players what they deserve and bring in the personnel [their] team needs to win.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You need 2 WRs tho
DeSean Jackson and who else?
Reggie Brown? Bust.
Hank Baskett? Too busy doing reality shows with Kendra (I would be too).
Greg Lewis? Bust. I actually thought he was gonna be a stud.
Kevin Curtis? Maybe…coming off a broken leg is tough tho.
Jeremy Maclin? Odds are against him going from Mizzo to NFL.
Boldin would be a nice fit. It woulda cost them the pick they used for Maclin and a 3rd right?
by KevinE on Jun 16, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whooooaaa... Lots of problems here...
Reggie Brown? Bust.
Granted, 2008 was awful. And not to make excuses for him (because again, 2008 was awful), but he did have 816 and 780 yards respectively in 2006 and 2007. He’d be extremely useful as a 4th or even a 3rd receiver.
Hank Baskett? Too busy doing reality shows with Kendra (I would be too).
No arguments there.
Greg Lewis? Bust. I actually thought he was gonna be a stud.
He’s gone. We traded him to the Pats. As for the “bust” moniker, he was an undrafted free agent. Are we calling undrafted free agents busts now?
Kevin Curtis? Maybe…coming off a broken leg is tough tho.
He didn’t break his leg. He had a sports hernia, missed 6 games, and was hampered by it for most of the season. He’s only one year removed from a season in which he racked up 1,110 yards. I’m perfectly happy with him as our 2.
Jeremy Maclin? Odds are against him going from Mizzo to NFL.
That’s just retarded. If you’re gonna throw out a statement like that, please also include the phrase “…and I base that on absolutely nothing.” I’m not saying he’s going to be a stud like Jackson was his rookie season, but to just dismiss him is ludicrous.
Boldin would be a nice fit. It woulda cost them the pick they used for Maclin and a 3rd right?
Almost more importantly, it would have cost them about $10 mil per season for an aging vet that has taken his fair share of big hits in his career.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuttal
Maclin – Please name a stud WR to come out of the Big 12 the last 10 years (besides Roy Williams who has still in that wait and see phase)
Boldin – It could go either way. It was a ton of $$, I agree, but he plays hurt, is in his prime now, and would be an instant game changer. You gotta take a risk at some point.
by KevinE on Jun 16, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m very happen with the way the draft shook out without trading for Boldin, but the guy that I really think they missed the boat on was Tony Gonzalez.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
my Philly friends were not happy about that either
by KevinE on Jun 16, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it...
The Falcons traded a 2 NEXT YEAR for him. It probably would have cost us a little more (a 2 and a 5 or a 6?) because I gotta believe the Chiefs would think the Eagles would have a lower pick next draft, but come on…
He’s easily still the best TE in the NFL. Easily. Still mad about that one.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
touchee (sort of)
He’s no doubt solid….but FredEx could resurrect his career with Tom Brady and Matt Cassell throwing to him.
by KevinE on Jun 16, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll buy the Brady argument, but you’re stretching it with Cassel, and Welker had 111 catches last year with Cassel.
Look, I can understand you’re upset that Malcolm Kelly is garbage, but let’s not let his poor NFL showing thus far impune an entire conference.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I can understand you’re upset that Malcolm Kelly is garbage
This comment is uninformed garbage. Let the man get on the field and play before you pass judgement.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
Uninformed garbage? Maybe.
Funny? Yes.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maclin – Please name a stud WR to come out of the Big 12 the last 10 years (besides Roy Williams who has still in that wait and see phase)
That’s just stupid, and you know it.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
name a QB too, the spread is just crap and produces crap players
by pas493 on Jun 16, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s obviously a tough transition.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
I don’t see it. Fact is, there haven’t been many big-time prospects out of Big 12 schools, which is more indicative of the lack of success in the NFL than is an overwhelming number of busts.
You know how many Big 12 receivers have been first round picks in the 10 years prior to this past draft with Maclin? Three. Just 3. And of those players, only one was more highly regarded than Maclin.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take your word that there have only been 3 WRs taken in the 1st round from the Big 12 in the past 10 years. I can see why whough. The spread offense is still considered a ‘gimmick’ offense in the NFL. Numbers are usually highly inflated and scouts still seem to struggle with rating players that come out of spread offenses (especially QBs).
Maclin has a lot of speed and if he can get seperation he will burn slower defenders. But, he also has a very slight frame (for the NFL), and he’s not a very strong or physical runner. I think he will probably struggle at WR when defenders crowd him at the line. And as far as technique goes, how many routes do you think he really had to know in college? 5? Compare that with a pro-style WCO route tree. That’s why Reid will probably have him mostly as a return man at the start of the season.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not really worried about it. I’m setting my expectations low, because I actually like our receivers, but I have no doubt he’ll be a solid contributor by the end of the season. He’s got WAY too much speed and ability not to be on the field at some point.
As far as the jams at the line, there’s a theory out there that the bigger receivers struggle more with that earlier in their careers, because they have to learn hand techniques and learn to be more physical to beat the jams, whereas the smaller, faster guys can use their natural “quicks” to more effectively get off the line.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I don’t see it. Fact is, there haven’t been many big-time prospects out of Big 12 schools”
Seriously? There are a TON of great players from the Big 12, especially on the defensive side of the ball and the O-line. Texas alone has 43 alum playing in the NFL. I think APeterson has made a pretty big impact also. The Big 12 is right behind the SEC in producing quality NFL players, the schools that run the spread just does not translate to the nfl and nor do the QBs and usually the WRs
by pas493 on Jun 16, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops...
That was supposed to say “There haven’t been many big-time WIDE RECEIVER prospects…”
My bad.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if I can summarize
Redskins fans – “Redskins are better b/c they have 3 Super Bowls”
Eagles fans – “Eagles are better b/c they have been much better in recent years”
So, in summary, you all agree the Giants are the best team in the NFC East?
by cjmulrain on Jun 16, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I begrudgingly agree...
The same way Mets fan have nothing to say to me (a Phils fan), I pretty much don’t have anything to say to Giants fans. Their SB Championship is WAY too recent and their team is still way too good to talk too much shit.
However, the Cowboys (with no playoffs wins) and the Redskins (with a .458 winning %) this decade have been pretty much irrelevant.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
- The Redskins are historically a better team than the Eagles (Can’t argue that)
- We smoked you twice last year (bragging rights= 1 year, thanks)
- McNabb’s fat ass was sitting at home during the Super Bowl same as JC’s
- You are not raising any banners this year are you, division, conference, super bowl?
Yea the Redskins blew ass from 2000 until the 2005 season, but that was four + seasons ago, to say we are irrelevant is incredibly irrelevant especially after you got your ass kicked by us twice last year and you got every break you could get in the first game. Cool you made the playoffs, do you want a cookie? Last time I checked since 2005 we have been to playoff just as many times as you.
Giants are reigning division champs and are still a beast, so they deserve all the bragging rights, i’m not going to go on their blog and act like an uneducated dickhead like you.
And Hey the Cowboys just flat out SUCK
by pas493 on Jun 16, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Redskins are historically a better team than the Eagles (Can’t argue that)
If we’re talking ancient history, then yeah, sure, historically you’re better. If we’re taking recent history, no contest.
We smoked you twice last year (bragging rights= 1 year, thanks)
Your D has our number for some reason, no question. But I don’t think an 8-8 team that missed the playoffs has much at all to brag about. Furthermore, you beat us by 6 and 7 in games that went down to the final seconds. “Smoked” is a little strong.
i’m not going to go on their blog and act like an uneducated dickhead like you.
The author of this entry posted a link on BGN that redirected me here. I previously had no interest in coming here, but now that you called me a dickhead, I feel like I have to win you over, so I’ll be sure to visit Hogs Haven with more regularity.
Last time I checked since 2005 we have been to playoff just as many times as you.
Congrats. A win against a crappy Tampa team, and 2 convincing losses to the Seabags (one of which was a blowout).
Cool you made the playoffs, do you want a cookie?
Yes.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will have a cookie as well,
and it’s good having people from other teams come in to the haven, not so much homerism. We get to hear what other fans think of the skins. I don’t mind as long as it’s not little kids bickering back and forth.
by travisjh86 on Jun 16, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is kind of what has been happening on this post ha, but thats alright.
by travisjh86 on Jun 16, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in fairness to the Redskins
they were only a half game worse than the Eagles last year. I mean, if the Bungles so much as kick a field goal or the Redskins managed to win or tie one of their ridiculously close losses last year, the Skins go to the playoffs instead of the Eagles (boy I wish that had happened – Eagles were the worst possible matchup for the Giants).
by cjmulrain on Jun 16, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Iggles
backed into the playoffs by default because we fell on our faces.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of a backhanded way to say things
but ok
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
by Rekka on Jun 16, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
yea, I guess that did sound backhanded – I didn’t mean it like that, just that the Eagles were really good at neutralizing the Giants biggest strength (the pass rush) and exploiting our biggest weaknesses. It was kinda like a rock, paper, scissor thing – Eagles could beat the Giants, Giants could beat the Redskins, Redskins could beat the Eagles.
by cjmulrain on Jun 16, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually..
It was 1.5 games, but I’ll let it slide.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The G-Men
Are the best in the east. Until someone knocks them off. They have owned us for awile years now no argument.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 16, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
it really matters what conf-or school a WR comes from it’s all about can they play in the NFL. It is the second hardest position to learn in the NFL next to QB.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 16, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is unbelievable
What’s up, skins fans. Always respected your team.
But how can anybody argue with NO SUPERBOWLS. NO SUPERBOWLS.
NO SUPERBOWLS. NO SUPERBOWLS. NO SUPERBOWLS. NO SUPERBOWLS.
How can there be any more discussion? NO SUPERBOWLS. NO SUPERBOWLS.
I can’t believe anybody here dignifies “Bye, Dawk:(” with responses. He’s the worst troll I’ve ever seen at BBV, constantly personally insulting people and making illogical, ad hominem, childish rants.
Your content is great, but the comments would be better if you never, ever replied to any comment he ever made. Like I won’t, when he says something stupid about this post.
Pop quiz: Which NFC East team has never, ever, ever, ever won a Superbowl and never, ever, ever will?
Good luck this year Skins. In a (my) perfect world you’d be 2nd in the NFC East every year!
You play to win the game!
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